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"From a fashion viewpoint, Michelle Obama looks so comfortable and relaxed in her style and her fashion, and she exudes that. She has a presence that gives you confidence in her. Cindy McCain looks like someone has twisted her pony tail into a knot and tried to give her a face lift."
- Project Runway's Tim Gunn tells Time Magazine
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LOL I love Tim Gunn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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TIM GUNN SHOULD GO FUCK HIMSELF. AND SO SHOULD YOU PEREZ!!! ALL YOU BABIES AFRAID OF WAR!! HAHAHA DUMB DEMOCRATS.
hahah…wow if we judge canadites on their wives fashion….were doomed
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I think thats BS. Although Michelle's style is nice - she always looks miserable and angry. I think Cindy McCain is a beautiful woman with a great sense of style.
FUCK THAT. As if fashion ever won a presidency. STFU tim gunn.
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you better look out you fat fuck if he ever sees you!!!!!!!
lol, and yet another reason why i LOVE Tim Gunn
Wow, what is Tim drinking? A little Kool-aid perhaps? Although I agree that Cindy looks a little too uptight, Michelle puts the UG in ugly.
Cindy McCain is way more attractive and classy than Michelle Obama could ever hope to be.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Tim Gunn's my husband
if you douchebags elect another republican president, specifically this loser, you're screwed…
Haha I love Tim Gunn so true.
michelle never looks miserable, what are you talking about? just say you're not voting for obama, no need to lie.
CINDY MCCAIN IS A DRUG ADDICT
CINDY MCCAIN IS A DRUG ADDICT
CINDY MCCAIN IS A DRUG ADDICT
CINDY MCCAIN IS A DRUG ADDICT
CINDY MCCAIN IS A DRUG ADDICT
Re: md –
yeah, actually not, lol
CINDY MCAIN IS AN AMAZING WOMAN. TRY READING UP ON HER AND SEE ALL THE GOOD THINGS SHE HAS ACCOMPLISHED AS A TRUE AMERICAN. UNLIKE MICHELLE OBAMA WHO IS A RACIST. MCAIN ALL THE WAY.
No McCains wife looks like a damn alien
Tim Gunn isn't saying vote for Obama bc of his wife's fashion. Tim's job is fashion and thus he evaluates it. I have never heard him say ANYTHING about who he thinks people should vote for. Also, the ignorant person who posted and said Democrats are afraid of war couldn't be more idiotic. Go post that on some NRA website this is a celebrity gossip website and this post is about fashion. Grow up, read some books, get a degree and make yourself useful.
Re: jenny – Idiot, Michelle has such better style than this Cindy stick in the a** McCain. Obama for President!
JOHN MCCAIN VOTED TO TAKE AWAY WOMEN'S RIGHT TO HAVE AN ABORTION, JOHN MCCAIN VOTED AGAINST BIRTH CONTROL PILLS
JOHN MCCAIN VOTED TO TAKE AWAY WOMEN'S RIGHT TO HAVE AN ABORTION, JOHN MCCAIN VOTED AGAINST BIRTH CONTROL PILLS
JOHN MCCAIN VOTED TO TAKE AWAY WOMEN'S RIGHT TO HAVE AN ABORTION, JOHN MCCAIN VOTED AGAINST BIRTH CONTROL PILLS
JOHN MCCAIN VOTED TO TAKE AWAY WOMEN'S RIGHT TO HAVE AN ABORTION, JOHN MCCAIN VOTED AGAINST BIRTH CONTROL PILLS
Michelle Obama puts the ug in ugly! ew. Michelle looks like those demons in that movie the devils advocate.
I love Tim Gunn but for him to say something like that is just perpetuating ignorant Americans who will base their vote on superficial standards like which candidate's wife is a better dresser. I would expect more from someone of Mr Gunn's intellect; it is completely irresponsible.
Not surprising given how everyone is fauning over the Obamas. Tim Gunn should STFU since he himself looks like someone stuck a huge eggplant up his ass….oh wait he would actually like that
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His view is skewed because he is a gay man and he is talking about two different political parties. Also, he speaks about Michelle Obama's style, and then he reverts to talking about Cindy McCain's face. He needs to grow up and try to be unbiased if he is seriously going to talk about fashion. If he wants to talk about faces, Michelle Obama's face isn't one to be proud of.
Re: md –
stop being stupid and just say your not voting for Obama
you don't have to lie you douche
THESE WHITE TRASH HAS NO RIGHT TO EVEN RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY, IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT PIECE A TRASH GEORGE BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION
OBAMA IS FLAWLESS, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO SKELETONS IN HIS CLOSET, MOST IMPORTANTLY HE VOTED AGAINST THE WAR.
THESE WHITE TRASH HAS NO RIGHT TO EVEN RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY, IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT PIECE A TRASH GEORGE BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION
OBAMA IS FLAWLESS, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO SKELETONS IN HIS CLOSET, MOST IMPORTANTLY HE VOTED AGAINST THE WAR.
THESE WHITE TRASH HAS NO RIGHT TO EVEN RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY, IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT PIECE A TRASH GEORGE BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION
OBAMA IS FLAWLESS, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO SKELETONS IN HIS CLOSET, MOST IMPORTANTLY HE VOTED AGAINST THE WAR.
Just another Queer liberal trying to get his name in the paper.
Michelle Osama looks like she should be the mistress girlfriend on some stupid CW sitcom.
of course he would say that - he is obviously a fucking liberal democrat. Michelle always looks like she's abour ready to take a dump. She always looks stiff and has to look "professional" at all times. Cindy rather, looks good in jeans and a shirt as well as professional.
Have you seen all that she has done??? She's done more than Obama and his wife combined!! MCCAIN FOR PRESIDENT!!!
She was a special-needs teacher.After her Dad died she became involved with his beer distributing firm and is now the chairwoman. Sales have doubled since she has taken over from her father. She is involved around the world clearing land mines - travels to these countries on a detonation team and service on their board. They have a 19-year old serving in Iraq , another son in the Naval Academy , a daughter recently graduated from Columbia Univ. , an adopted daughter in high school, and a son who is the finance guy at the beer firm. In 1991, Mrs. McCain came across a girl in an orphanage in Bangladesh . Mother Teresa implored Mrs. McCain to take the baby with severe cleft palate. She did so without first telling her husband. The couple adopted the girl who has had a dozen operations to repair her cleft palate and other medical problems. They have a Family Foundation for children's causes. She's active with 'Halo Trust' - to clear land mines, provide water and food in war ravaged and developing countries. She will join an overseas mission of 'Operation Smile', a charity for corrective surgery on children's faces. She has had two back surgeries and became addicted to pain killers. She talks openly about it which she says is part of the recovery
process.
Re: kai – Why does anyone have to lie cause they don't like Obama? Personally I cant stand Obama and only feel so so with McCain. Most likely McCain will get my vote. Truth be said Michelle is one ugly ass bitch. I mean you can still be ugly and look nice. She looks mean. On the other hand, Cindy is pretty.
Actually, it's probably the opposite–that someone twisted Michelle into sometype of make over. You know BO and is handlers control everything.
Oh yeah, like Hillary Clinton was a thing of beauty when she was first lady?
I wouldn't fuck her with Perez's dick.
I guess it would surprise me if you actually posted something flattering about McCain or his wife. Have you actually said WHY you like Obama Perez? Do you have an intelligent answer except thats what everyone tells you to say and its the cool thing to do?
Funny his OWN boy (Jessie Jackson) doesnt even think he's good enough
Humm. I wonder if Tim Gunn is a democrat? We are not voting for 1st ladies or voting on how they wear their pony tails. No wonder this country is in so much trouble.
IMAGINE IF MICHELLE OBAMA WAS A DRUG ADDICT?
IMAGINE IF SHE STOLE FROM HER OWN CHARITY?
WHAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE DOES JOHN MCCAIN HAVE? HE WAS A FUCKING POW, HE'S NOT THAT EDUCATED, YET HE HAS THE AUDACITY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
THIS MAN WANTS TO BE IN IRAQ FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS
IMAGINE IF MICHELLE OBAMA WAS A DRUG ADDICT?
IMAGINE IF SHE STOLE FROM HER OWN CHARITY?
WHAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE DOES JOHN MCCAIN HAVE? HE WAS A FUCKING POW, HE'S NOT THAT EDUCATED, YET HE HAS THE AUDACITY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
THIS MAN WANTS TO BE IN IRAQ FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS
IMAGINE IF MICHELLE OBAMA WAS A DRUG ADDICT?
IMAGINE IF SHE STOLE FROM HER OWN CHARITY?
WHAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE DOES JOHN MCCAIN HAVE? HE WAS A FUCKING POW, HE'S NOT THAT EDUCATED, YET HE HAS THE AUDACITY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
THIS MAN WANTS TO BE IN IRAQ FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS
just because cindy is classy doesnt mean she isnt fashionable….all those dems should take lessons.
Its amazing to me how often I hear people, especially women, say they would prefer to have a nice little subservient housewife in the White House, as damn near every other First Lady in recent history (Hilary, in spite of your shortcomings, I won't include you in this count) has been. I guess Cindy does fit that mold…Don't count on her being the First Lady though. You should be proud that there is a strong woman on her way to the White House, who doesn't have to sacrifice her own strength to support and love her man…wake up. The world is changing, you need to change with it…or STFU!
Seriously? Wow, what a moron. You can't talk about M.O.'s fashion - then C.M.'s face - and be taken seriously. One has nothing to do with another. Aside from that, face-wise, MO looks angry and arrogant all of the time (and what the HELL is wrong with her jaw???), CM just looks plastic and frozen. Style-wise, I don't think either of them does a bad job, I wouldn't give either of them points over the other to be honest. Tim needs to toss out whatever he is smoking and try something different, it is obviously not working right for him.
Sounds like Tim Gunn is a democrat!
Re: milo – Not voting for Obama. He refused to stand as the pledge of allegience was spoken. Not voting for someone who is anti american. 92% of African Americans voted for the color. It is pretty clear that the majority do not know his policies local or foreign. Not voting for Obama.
But the fact that Michelle Obama is a racist makes her VERY ugly.
Re: J –
Why don't you learn to use correct english? "THESE WHITE TRASH HAS NO RIGHT TO EVEN RUN FOR PRESIDENCY"…sounds like you have no right to vote.
As for Obama being flawless, honey, study up on your "candidate" - learn a little about Rezko, William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, and Michelle Obama's Thesis - something they wouldn't even release to the public!! Obama wants to raise taxes and give nationalized healthcare. Do YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?? WHO WILL PAY FOR IT?? Us, the LEGAL taxpayers of course. Nationalized healthcare will NEVER work. Canadians who HAVE nationalized healthcare COME to the US because they can't even be seen for MONTHS by their own physicicans? WHY?? because it's "free" access. Learn about the issues and your candidate and THEN contribute something educational other than McCain's wife looks like an alien and "THESE WHITE TRASH HAS NO RIGHT TO EVEN RUN FOR PRESIDENCY".
This is so true!!! hahaha. McCains face is pulled to tight!! White people love that! they think it makes them look beautiful!!!j
Re: Bill – Hillary Clinton may not be beautiful, but she is not ugly. Michelle is not even attractive, she is ugly! Although, Michelle has a decent body for having 2 kids. She should get a make over by her sylists or at least invest in some surgery!!! Cause she is ugly!
I agree.
Ron Paul for president !!
The woman uses more botox than what could be used to kill an elephant.
Yep, fat fag, running a country is all about what the wives look like.
PP you're a total idiot. Obamamama has NO answers for this country, just that "Change" mantra that means nothing. You and he are nothing but shallow, empty mouths.
Typical gay male queen comment.
Re: miss – Yeah, you so right girl about white people getting surgery cause they think it makes them look good. They're right but, at least they earned their money so that they can do whatever they want. How do you explain they nasty mean look on Michelle face? Even when she smiles she looks ugly. She is a racist and should be sent packing where every her ancestors came from given the fact that after 30-40 years in this country she is finally proud to be an american. The bitch should keep her mouth shut and get a major face lift.
Gee, Perez, like a true man of integrity, you show no bias in your work as a "reporter." Shut the hell up and stick to polls on how annoying Miley Cyrus is.
Look at the history of SERIOUS volunteer activity over the years that this heiress has been involved in. She adopted a child with a severe cleft palate from Mother Theresa"s orphanage in India - brought her home and raised her as her own -YEARS before she was in the public eye. She is a selfless working woman who quietly works behind the scenes without flaunting her beauty or her inheritance. You MUST give someone like her credit for the life she has chosen to lead. ANY woman her age who chose not to indulge in cosmetic surgery would look just as tired.When she could have spent all her time jetting around to spas and indulging in selfish spending sprees. AND SHE HAS AN UNWAVERING LOVE AND PRIDE IN HER COUNTRY. Unlike the selfish, ivy league educated spoiled USA hating MS. OBAMA.
McCain's wife looks like and old, fake azz Barbie Doll and not in a good way. Just because that old skeleton has blonde hair and blue eyes and looks like she has missed a few meals does not make her beautiful. Please make her go eat! And stop her from bleaching her hair so much…it might cause cancer. HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
That is a rude and untrue comment. Cindy McCain is beautiful and well put together. To make a comment like that is unnecessary. The only truth in the comment is that Michelle Obama is well put together as well.
Re: Missy – WHAT ABOUT CINDY MCCAIN STEALING FROM HER OWN CHARITY. WHAT ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN VOTING FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF IRAQ. WHAT ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN LEAVING HIS DYING WIFE TO BE WITH A TEENAGE CINDY MCCAIN. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESIS HAHAAAAAAAAAA
Wow, the "I'm going to uplift the candidate's wife that likes gay marriage" edge is just shocking. You can't get more helmet hair than Michelle Obama, but it's 'natural looking'.
Stupid Democrats. You can't even make it look like you are non-bias in a fashion review.
tim gunn is the shittt
Make no mistake. Barack Osama bin Hussein is Jimmy Carter all over again. This country is headed for total disaster if we elect a Muslim ass-kisser. Michelle is the equivalent of Hillary Clinton - she's got her hand up Barack's back and feeding him the words. Grow up liberals, you're fueling the fires of your own painful end of humanity. Looks and empty words will not keep the US the great country it is.
WHAT THE FOCK
HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE LIBERAL MEDIA! JUST BECAUSE YOUR A DEMOCRAT TIM GUN, DOESN'T MEAN YOU NEED TO BASH THE WIVES. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ELECTION. IM SURE IF MICHELLE OBAMA WAS A REPUBLICAN, YOU'D BE TRASHING HER TOO. ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. MRS. MCCAIN EXUDES BEAUTY, ELEGANCE AND CLASS. SHE IS GOING TO MAKE A FANTASTIC FIRST LADY!
Obama needs to learn to speak english. "we's" you should listen to him speak, of course his following just jumps up and down "Yes we's can"
Michelle looks too damb frumpy… Cindy may look a bit uptight, but most first ladies do. I think she will be a wonderful first lady.
GO MCCAIN!!!
What the fock ever! Michelle Obama is very ghettwah and you know Cindy is fantastic. Do we really want our first lady referring to the president as her babydaddy?! No wonder the world thinks we're stupid Americans.
HAHAH LOVE TIM FOR SAYING THAT!! and OBAMA is going to win, sorry you sad sad pathetic republicans…you'are either a holy roller or from the south, both equally sad
Re: Jen – Re: Bill – I think you are a fat, ugly woman from the inside and out. Cindy MCcain is a beautiful and classy woman for her age. She has proven in her charities the kind of woman any man would be proud to have by his side. John is a lucky man.
Just because McCain's wife has blonde hair, blue eyes and looks like she has missed a few meals does not make her beautiful. She looks like an old drawn up Barbie Doll and not in a good way. Tell her to stop bleaching and botoxing so much and MAYBE she might look halfway alive. Right now she looks just like a corspe like her husband.
Re: moon7 – Try reading up on how she was having an affair with McCain while he was still married another woman. His first wife was disfigured in a car accident while he was a POW and when he came back he didn't want to be seen in public with her cause he was a "war hero" and thought he was "famous."
Noramlly I like Tim Gunn, but that was just a MEAN comment! Cindy is a woman who is beautiful, inside as well as out. She does more for impoverished children than your fav Angelina could ever dream to… with Operation Smile and CARE. She's worth our (and your) admiration.
Looks can be deceiving. Our country is in enough trouble by voting people in by their looks and nothing behind the facade. The only thing you should be asking yourself, what do they really stand for. Obama's concern me.
Tim Gunn is an idiot. Every conservative I know hope BO is elected so you liberals will shut up when he SUCKS!… creating Big Brother, Big Government and destroying our liberties and economy.
And what about Tim Gunn…he looks like he has a stick shoved up his ass…oh wait…He probably does! LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perez, I like you but you got some racist azz followers on this site. I think all the racist are getting nervous because a "Negroid" might actually when the presidency. LOLOLOL!
Re: BERTH – NO THE WORLD THINK YOU'RE STUPID BECAUSE OF YOUR FUCKING DUMB, ALCHOLIC TRAILER TRASH GEORGE BUSH AND HIS FUCKED UP FAMILY. THE WORLD THINK AMERICA IS STUPID BECAUSE YOU GAVE SADDAM HUSSEIN WEAPONS, THEN TURNED ON HIM. CAN'T YOU SEE THE WORLD IS WAITING ON MR. OBAMA, HE HAS PRINICIPLES, WHEN EVERYONE WAS VOTING FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF IRAQ, HE STOOD HIS GROUND AND VOTED AGAINST IT. HE HAS INTEGRITY.
WAR NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING…..EXCEPT SLAVERY, GENOCIDE, FACISM AND NAZISM.
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE SO AGAINST THE WAR AND PROTECTING OUR FREEDOM? DID YOU ALREADY FORGET THE TRAGEDY KNOWN AS 9/11? LINCOLN AND THE REPUBLICANS HELPED END SLAVERY BY GOING TO WAR. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF WE NEVER WENT TO WAR TO END SLAVERY?
GEEZ YOU PEOPLE NEED TO BRUSH UP ON YOUR HISTORY!
GO MCCAIN!
ahahaha that's hilarious.
and for all of you people saying "fashion shouldn't win you the presidency"
1. you have GREAT faith in Americans
2. tell Obama to go to his next speech in sweatpants and a gym t-shirt. and see how you feel about it.
3. move to Canada.. it's better up here, anyway.
Re: ck – I am a democrat and live in the midwest. I refuse to give my vote to a man who refused to pledge his allegience to the flag and who has a woman after 40yrs is finally proud to be an american. This has nothing to do with Michelle being an unattractive woman. What you do know is that 90% of the black populations voted for Obama cause he's black- not many knew where he stood on his policies. They voted for color alone; that speacks volumes about the United States. While I dont like MCcain much, I do think he is more of an american than Obama!
Are you shitting me Tim. Cindy has more grace, beauty and elegance than Mrs Barack Hussein Obama could ever hope to have. Of course you are going to say that Tim, you are a radical, blazing liberal.
Cindy McCain actually does real helpful things for the world, there's some impressive stuff out there that she's been involved in. She'd make a much better first lady because she would actually contribute to John's policies. Michelle Obama is just…a wife. I'm sure a great one, but she doesn't have the experiences that Cindy does. Why don't you post something informative instead of feeding already biased opinions to people?
Mr. Gunn, are you in grade 7?
Pezzy–i knew when i began reading this that Tim Gunn would bash the Republican wife. It's so typical of the liberal minded. How predictable. If anyone looks strange, it's him. kissesx
Re: J` –
J, YOU ARE OBVIOULSY MENTALLY CHALLENGED. NO NEED TO MAKE UP STORIES TO SUIT YOUR AGENDA. OBAMA SPENT LESS THAN 6 MONTH AS SENATOR BEFORE DECIDING TO RUN FOR PRES. THIS COUNTRY WILL GO TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET IF HE'S PRESIDENT. LIBERAL DOUCHEBAGS ARE ALWAYS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY.
Re: J –
Hey Dumbass! Obama has flipped his position on abortion… Just like all of his other views!
To J: You are an extremely angry and misinformed blogger. Your verbage merely makes it glaringly obvious you are a racist, uneducated - UNINFORMED - who barely makes it from month to month on your paycheck - but is too lazy to better himself in order to succeed and so wallows in bitterness and blame. You think a semi black unqualified candidate is going to come to your aid and make "everything better?" Get off your lazy behind - self educate - fight injustice with knowledge and SIMPLE HARD WORK. Those of us who DO work and self educate ourselves are sick and tired of you parasites even opening your mouths anymore. STFU and go DO something!!!
Re: Jemba – TELL ME WHAT I MADE UP, EVERYTHING I'VE SAID IS TRUE, PROVE ME WRONG
Hahahaha Perez! I'd love to see your ugly-ass mug, when you have to pay ALL those extra taxes when that douchebag your supporting, raises em'!
Re: yo – Like you are so clean as the driven snow. So she made a mistake. The fact is Cindy has done a lot of good that many do not know. She should not be judge just because of one mistake. We all make mistakes. Anyways, the bottom line is she is an attractive woman. More importantly, is she is not running for president, it's her husband.
Re: ck –
I AM A REPUBLICAN. I AM NOT FROM THE SOUTH AND I AM NOT A HOLY ROLLER. BUT I DO BELIEVE IN CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETY AND HELPING YOURSELF. IM SICK OF TAXES BEING TAKEN OUT OF MY CHECK SO LAZY FUCKS CAN POP OUT BABIES AND SIT HOME SMOKING WEED. WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR OTHERS TO LIVE FREE? I LIVE IN DETROIT AND I SEE CAPABLE ASS PEOPLE SITTING AROUND DOING NOTHING AND COLLECTING CHECKS. THAT IS WHY I AM FUCKING REPUBLICAN. I WORK HARD AND CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY. I DON'T MIND HELPING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HELP THEMSELVES. BUT WELFARE NEEDS TO BE REFORMED AGAIN, AND I LIKE THE REBULICANS STAND ON THAT ISSUE
Re: Missy –
Well said, very smart.
Haha…oh Tim, that's mean. : )
What does he think of Cindy McCain's style though? He needs to clarify because so far all he has done is spew a bunch of s***. I take it he has an Obama sticker on his car?
Re: J – Yeah, that's why he refused to stand & put his hand on his heart as the pledge of allegience was being addressed.
Re: emili – PLEASE TELL ME WHAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE CINDY MCCAIN HAS, THIS BITCH IS THEIF, AND A DRUG ADDICT
My goodness. Obama is an ADMITTED cocaine user and drug dealer. He has done NOTHING to deserve to be president, just spent a measley two years as a Senator where he had the most liberal voting record of the bunch. He sat in the pew at a RACIST chruch for 20 years. This clown will NOT be President. He and his manly wife will never step foot in the White House. Democrats slammed Bush for years because he tried cocaine when he was young. Now they say nothing about coke head Obama. What a bunch of $%^&ing hypocrits.
I find it real interesting how people make a big deal of black people voting for Obama because he is black. As far as I can tell, many white people are not voting for him just because he is black and that includes many Democrats as well. Look—McCain shares many of Bush's policies and values which says quite a bit. Look at the state of our country…who wants a Bush Jr. for another 4-8 years. Gimme a break.
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Michelle looks a monkey… is he blind?!?!
Cindy exudes class and elegance.
Sorry Tim, you missed the mark this time
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Cindy looks like a piece of plastic, just like any other rich freaks wife—fake and full of herself. Damn rich people.