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Re: Fizzygrrl – NOT SURE IF YOU ARE STILL READING THIS, BUT I'LL ANSWER CUZ YOU ASKED ME TO CLARIFY. I MEANT THE IRAN VOTE WAS SIMILAR IN THAT IT WOULD BE TO ALLOW MILITARY ACTION.
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FOR HIS ENTIRE 'NATIONALLY' RECOGNIZED LIFE, OBAMA CAMPAIGNED ON HOW HE *WOULD HAVE HAD* THE JUDGMENT NOT TO ALLOW BUSH TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO TO WAR WITH IRAQ. THE IRAQ VOTE BASICALLY GAVE BUSH AUTHORITY TO USE ALL MEANS OF DIPLOMACY AVAILABLE TO HIM IN DEALING WITH IRAQ, UP TO AND INCLUDING MILITARY FORCE.
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OBAMA WAS NOT A US SENATOR THEN BUT CAMPAIGNED FOR **YEARS** THAT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SMARTER THAN THE 90+% OF THE CONGRESS THAT DID VOTE FOR IT!
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GIVING BUSH THE MILITARY OPTION DOES ALLOW A PRESIDENT TO 'SPEAK SOFTLY AND CARRY A BIG STICK' WHILE DEALING WITH THE UN. NO ONE COULD HAVE IMAGINED THAT BUSH WAS SO INCREDIBLY EVIL THAT HE WOULD RACE IN AND INVADE!! NOT HILLARY! NOT MCCAIN! NOT 90+% OF CONGRESS BELIEVED HE WOULD DO THAT!
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THE IRAN VOTE BASICALLY GAVE A SIMILAR LOOPHOLE TO BUSH TO USE MILITARY FORCE IF NECESSARY AGAINST IRAN.
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OBAMA DIDN'T SHOW UP! DIDN'T VOTE!
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AT THE TIME (AND STILL) OBAMA WAS A 'ONE TRICK PONY' OF 'I WOULD HAVE VOTED AGAINST THE WAR THEREFORE, WHILE COMPLETELY INEXPERIENCED AND UNQUALIFIED, I HAVE BETTER JUDGMENT.'
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YOU WOULD THINK THAT WHEN THE ANTI WAR VOTE IS YOUR *ONLY* CLAIM TO A QUALIFICATION, YOU WOULD BOTHER TO SHOW UP AND VOTE WHEN THE ISSUE OF ALLOWING MILITARY FORCE TO BE USED COMES UP AGAIN.
WATEVER BARACK ROCKS N IS DOING HIS THANG
thank goodness you only influence the choices of kids under 18…not old enough to vote…because you're completely wrong.
read the article again people.
This is super stupid! For starters, if you actually took the time to read perez instead of being a stupid person, you would have seen that he's not flip flopping, and in my mind, this the right way to do things. Also, this may be off topic but, I'm sick of everyone talking about his race and religion. Whatever religion he is can have an effect on the nation, yes, but does it matter that he's black?!?!?!? Oh my God people come on, I'm black and this is pissing me off so much!!!! Just because I'm black doesn't mean I'm some uneducated buffoon who will vote for Obama because the president will have the same skin color. If people keep reverting to the racial steryotypes and in some cases being a douche bag racist, then what progress have we made in America?!?!?
(Just had to vent that off my chest. My mini rant is over.)
Honestly, I don't know who to vote for because there are too many loose ends to me. Right now I am definitely nonpartisan.
Um…this is not flip flopping on any particular issue. He's being practical about a very touchy subject concerning the military. Haven't you watched Generation Kill? Platoon? Any movie about war/military? The men and mostly boys that join the armed services are homophobic and trained to be violent. I think that Obama's ideas are pragmatic and thoughtful…to keep enlisted gay folks safe. Don't just assume he is against gays in the military and that NOT reversing don't ask don't tell is a slap in the face! YOU are a flip flopper for supporting Clinton, then Obama and now back to Clinton the second he says something you THINK is against gay people. Besides, do you really think Clinton would have even given a second thought to don't ask don't tell? Only unless it benefited her and her scandalous, shady family!
Re: mzthng Bill Clinton tried to allow gays to serve openly. It's not going to happen. –
When did this happen? "don't ask don't tell" isn't openly. And Obama is supporting it again. There is no true "pro gay" politician. They don't exist. Why? The majority of society isn't.
That's not the only thing he would flip-flop on!!!! If this Idiot gets to the White House he'll probably have a "change of heart" about his religious upbringing and sell the nuclear bomb codes to Bin Laden. Vote Obama for change=letting arabs take over our country one suicide bomber at a time.
My favorite part of the article…
Obama also said he would be reluctant to instruct his attorney general to go to court to try to overturn the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, which denies federal recognition of same-sex marriages and gives states the right not to recognize such unions.
"I think we're going to have to take a different approach," he said, "but I am absolutely committed to the concept [that] it is not necessary." He said he would prefer to see Congress change the law.
Of course he would like to see Congress change the law…that way HE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ON RECORD FOR A DECISION!
WELL DUHH!!!! hes a politician!!!! he says a lot of shit he doesnt mean.. like "im against this war" and "ill bring the troops home".. "im for change"…. PSHH these two candidates are a joke.
Re: mzthng - #399 "Melissa you're an idiot! " – - Why is that? Because I pointed out the obvious that Barack Obama does NOT represent "Change" he is the same standard old politician wrapped up in an eloquent speech filled with empty promises. And that post was poking fun at people who do that exact thing, repeat the same catch phrase. But thanks for your insult, I've been called a lot worse than an idiot.
perez–this is not flip-flopping. this is good politics.
maybe you should actually read the article. his plans are brilliant.
how shitty of you to make Obama look bad to a bunch of young voters
that frequently view your site. ughh.
[re=2901201]Re: ottington
how shitty of you to make Obama look bad to a bunch of young voters
that frequently view your site. ughh[/re]
But it's ok for him to do it to McCain?
MCCAIN/PALIN ALL THE WAY!!!!! i cant stand obama..hes a great public speaker with no substance to his words!!
You know what PEREZ FUCK YOU. You asshole. I love Obama and you know what PEREZ b4 your fat ass starts hating. I"M FUCKIN GAY. Your always only all about yourself
Even your gay friends think you're a pretentious twit Perez.
You flip flop just at much Perez. Make up your mind and stick to it, or remain impartial. Hillary probably would have flipped too. Their politicians. It's THIER JOBS TO LIE. It's how they win!
Name one politician in recent memory who hasn't lied to the American public.
Grow the fuck up Perez! Could you please point out the flip flop in the interview because I have yet to see how admiting that these issues take time is someone changing a stance.
In case you are in need of a history lesson, perhaps you do not know that it was Hillary's husband that was behind 'don't ask don't tell.' There isn't a single issue that she doesn't share the same stance on when it comes to gay rights that Barack Obama doesn't already hold. If you would actually research the issues you would know this. Is it because he's black?
You guys are fucking ridiculous when it comes to politics, like not even 2 weeks ago Obama was the best thing that ur coutnry had ever seen…..now everyone is going for the white haired guy, just becasue that whore Palin has nice glasses or some shit??!?!?! That's what it seems like from over here anyways, i'm from a coutnry where politics are taken seriously. No wonder you guys have the housing sub-prime thing happening along with everything else. Grow up and look for someone to lead ur country not just someone who the media loves to love this week.
Re: Bellajezz You guys are fucking ridiculous when it comes to politics, like not even 2 weeks ago Obama was the best thing that ur coutnry had ever seen…..now everyone is going for the white haired guy, just becasue that whore Palin has nice glasses or some shit??!?!?! That's what it seems like from over here anyways, i'm from a coutnry where politics are taken seriously. No wonder you guys have the housing sub-prime thing happening along with everything else. Grow up and look for someone to lead ur country not just someone who the media loves to love this week. –
No, the MEDIA has been gushing over Obama. While the rest of us was waiting to see what moves were made. McCain choose more wisely.
I am no fan of Obama, but I was waiting to see who he got for his running mate. When I found it was John "Yeah.. that's the ticket" Biden I decided then and there that he was out of MY race. I have been watching Palin for a few years and I have liked what I saw BEFORE she was announced. I never thought that McCain would be asking her though. Esp a newer unknown. But I was glad to be proven wrong.
Hillary didn't and doesn't have a chance to become this country's first female president. However Palin does.