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"Holocaust survivors to Mormons: Stop baptisms of dead Jews"
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Holocaust survivors to Mormons: Stop baptisms of dead Jews
Holocaust survivors said Monday they are through trying to negotiate with the Mormon church over posthumous baptisms of Jews killed in Nazi concentration camps, saying the church has repeatedly violated a 13-year-old agreement barring the practice.
Leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say they are making changes to their massive genealogical database that will make it more difficult for names of Holocaust victims to be entered for posthumous baptism by proxy, a rite that has been a common Mormon practice for more than a century.
But Ernest Michel, honorary chairman of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors, said that is not enough. At a news conference in New York City on Monday, he said the church also must "implement a mechanism to undo what you have done."
"Baptism of a Jewish Holocaust victim and then merely removing that name from the database is just not acceptable," said Michel, whose parents died at Auschwitz. He spoke on the 70th anniversary of Kristallnacht, the Nazi-incited riots against Jews.
"We ask you to respect us and our Judaism just as we respect your religion," Michel said in a statement released ahead of the news conference. "We ask you to leave our six million Jews, all victims of the Holocaust, alone, they suffered enough."
Michel said talks with Mormon leaders, held as recently as last week, have ended. He said his group will not sue, and that "the only thing left, therefore, is to turn to the court of public opinion."
In 1995, Mormons and Jews inked an agreement to limit the circumstances that allow for the proxy baptisms of Holocaust victims. Ending the practice outright was not part of the agreement and would essentially be asking Mormons to alter their beliefs, church Elder Lance B. Wickman said Monday in an interview with reporters in Salt Lake City.
"We don't think any faith group has the right to ask another to change its doctrines," Wickman said. "If our work for the dead is properly understood … it should not be a source of friction to anyone. It's merely a freewill offering."
Michel's decision to unilaterally end discussion of the issue through a news conference leaves the church uncertain about how to proceed, Wickman said.
Baptism by proxy allows faithful Mormons to have their ancestors baptized into the 178-year-old church, which they believe reunites families in the afterlife.
Using genealogy records, the church also baptizes people who have died from all over the world and from different religions. Mormons stand in as proxies for the person being baptized and immerse themselves in a baptismal pool.
Only the Jews have an agreement with the church limiting who can be baptized, though the agreement covers only Holocaust victims, not all Jewish people. Jews are particularly offended by baptisms of Holocaust victims because they were murdered specifically because of their religion.
Michel suggested that posthumous baptisms of Holocaust victims play into the hands of Holocaust deniers.
"They tell me, that my parents' Jewishness has not been altered but … 100 years from now, how will they be able to guarantee that my mother and father of blessed memory who lived as Jews and were slaughtered by Hitler for no other reason than they were Jews, will someday not be identified as Mormon victims of the Holocaust?" Michel said Monday.
Wickman said the practice in no way impinges upon a person's "Jewishness, or their ethnicity, or their background."
Under the agreement with the Holocaust group, Mormons could enter the names of only those Holocaust victims to whom they were directly related. The church also agreed to remove the names of Holocaust victims already entered into its massive genealogical database.
Church spokesman Otterson said the church kept its part of the agreement by removing more than 260,000 names from the genealogical index.
But since 2005, ongoing monitoring of the database by an independent Salt Lake City-based researcher shows both resubmissions and new entries of names of Dutch, Greek, Polish and Italian Jews.
The researcher, Helen Radkey, who has done contract work for the Holocaust group, said her research suggests that lists of Holocaust victims obtained from camp and government records are being dumped into the database. She said she has seen and recorded a sampling of several thousand entries that indicate baptisms had been conducted for Holocaust victims as recently as July.
Wickman said lists of names have been entered into the database by a small number of well-meaning members who were acting "outside of policy." He said that church monitors have identified and removed 42,000 names from the database on their own, and that the church welcomes research from others.
Church officials say a new version of the database, called New Family Search, is being tested overseas and should reduce the problems. In the works for six years, the new database will discourage the submission of large lists of unrelated individuals. It will also separate names intended for temple rites from those submitted purely for genealogical purposes, the church states in a letter sent to Michel on Nov. 6.
"The names of any Holocaust victims we can identify in the database are to be flagged with a special designation — not available for temple ordinances," the letter states.
The church also proposes jump-starting a monitoring committee formed in 2005 to review database entries. The committee has met just once since 2005.
In May, the Vatican ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons so that Catholics could not be baptized.
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My friends do not fret. 1/20/12 is only 4 short years away. Hussein Obama's last day.
That is beyond sick. Religious zealots are societal terrorists, IMO.
Oh what do you know, that looks just like lettyb….
Bleh. Religion. Baptizing the dead is kinda weird anyway. To each his own.
Re: njpaul0129 – Get over it - you LOST.
Let's play "republican" shall we? "McCain . . . rhymes with Hussein . . .ooooohhhh . . .
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Losers.
Whatever, too long.
This was on the news the past two days. Why are you even posting this here?
For someone "preaching" tolerance and whining about Prop 8, you're very "INTOLERANT"
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Re: njpaul0129 – Re: LULU~* – Hey I bet yesterday when Dubya showed Barrack the Oval Office he said " And right over here is where Bubba Clinton got his dick sucked by that Fat Chick!"
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wtf? those fkng creepy mormons are the worst. their flaky beliefs are always questionable to me.
Re: njpaul0129 – ASS FUCKER!
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I find it very disturbing that these people will "baptize" a living person in the name of a dead person, regardless of the wishes of that the dead person may have expressed during their life. Personally, I do not want to be "baptized" in the Mormon cult, either living or posthumously.
Re: La Diva – YOU SUCK AT THIS!!! HAHAHAHA!
Think I've read this before. Shame on them if this is true:(
anyone else think that looks like abraham lincoln??
The religious is BACKWARDS!!! Still can't believe they wouldn't let Blacks enter their main temple ’til the '70s as they were scene as punished by God that's why their black!
Re: Lick_my_Icing – How is that intolerant? The dead should never be baptized in a religion not theirs.
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Re: LettyB – NOMINATE LETTYB FOR ALL THE PEREZIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF ONE OF MY CHILDREN WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO BECOME A MORMON, I WOULDN'T WANT THEM BAPTIZING ME AFTER I AM DEAD. IT IS AN INSULT TO ANYONE'S LIFE, JEW OR NOT, TO BAPTIZE THEM A MORMON WITHOUT CONSENT!!! IT IS ESSENTIALLY DECLARING THAT PERSON STUPID AND IGNORANT AFTER THEIR DEATH! I LIVE MY LIFE ACCORDING TO A COURAGEOUS, SELF CHOSEN FREEDOM AND WOULD NEVER WANT MY CHARACTER DESACRATED AFTER MY LIFE IS OVER…ESPECIALLY TO THE DEGREE OF DECLARING ME IDIOTIC ENOUGH AS TO BE A FUCKING MORMON!!!
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Re: LettyB –
Morning letty. Here's what I hate about church people. You either follow their rules or it's my way or the highway. They say stuff to push you out of the church. It's not their HIGHWAY. It's GOD'D HIGHWAY. Good to be in this CHOCOLATE FACTORY with no rules.Re: harrybalsac –
BILL CLINTON deserved to have his dick sucked. Get off of him or I will twist off your nipples, bitch.
The Chinese crashed their spacecraft into the surface of the moon! So much for Noodle Nation walking onthe moon.
what's the haps with the C. Everett Koop beard?
You are ridiculous. So INTOLERANT.
What in the hell? Why would they do this? The holocaust victims died for their faith. Let their deaths have meaning, let their deaths show that they died for something…..don't negate what happened to them by forcing them post-humously to participate in something THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE IN. I tell ya, the government needs to step into the Mormon church. They run around getting involved in politics….and should lose their tax-exemption…they run around disrespecting other people's religion…..it's just….WRONG.
FUCK THE MORMONS!!! I really am starting to hate them
Re: njpaul0129 – for the last time……….it's 01/20/13!!!
Re: LettyB – Nah my stupid, ignorant, ugly perezer…. Even if you tried, you could never get the best of me. But go ahead, you only make me laugh harder with your puny tries…
Baptizing Jews, denying gay rights- what's next?
Morons- please stay out of the business of others.
This is so wrong. There's something very creepy about it.
Re: harrybalsac – Awesome Harry. Awesome.
Geeze Perez, enough already! This is supposed to be a celeb gossip website, not anti Mormon one. You're preaching NO H8, but what are YOU doing?? Being h8ful yourself. A wee bit hypocritical don't you think.
STOP FOCUSSING ON THE MORMONS THAT ARE ONLY 2 PERCENT OF CALIFORNIA'S POPULATION! THEY ARE NOT THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS WHO PASSED THIS BILL!
BTW when the LDS faith performs a baptism for a deceased person, that person has the privilege to either accept it, or deny it, they're not involuntarily baptized.
Re: SheriMoonZombie – I just said he pointed out the spot, I didn't say Buuba is Hillbilly Cousin fuckin' Piece of Shit, even though he is!
this makes me beyond furious. those people died for their religion and now they're being baptized into another?!!? without their consent!?!? the mormons need to learn some respect
Mormons are stupid. You don't piss off Jews because Jews run the world.
Re: njpaul0129 – Ha, you are so pathetic Paulie. I'm so hoping that dimwit Palin tries to run against Obama in 2012…..please Palin…run in 12!!! 4 short years eh? I bet you're one of the fools that's hoping something bad happens under Obama so you can say "I told you so" isn't that right Paulie….you un-american piece of filth!
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Mormons…..what a joke….I bet Paulie's a mormon.
Re: LettyB – OK, I've just voted for you although the "Hottest Hottie" category was a bit of a stretch.
Re: sparkys nemesis – The entire truth about the situation isn't known yet, and I agree with you about the Baptisms. With that being said, YES "intolerant" in the sense that Perez only sees one side and is unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters…he only posted this to attack Mormons because of Prop 8!
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Cute dog!
Has anyone actually read anything from The Book of Mormon, or talked to those douchebag bike riding "missionaries?" Mormons are absolutely nuts, overpopulating the world in hopes of expanding the cult…
jesus christ perez….we are not going to read through all of that.
Re: TonyaAnn – Its Rasputin…
Re: zarrafakt – hahaha! thanks!
I thought Abe Lincoln was dead?
I am an ordained Christian minister and daughter of a Christian ordained minister. My entire family was Christian, mostly Protestant with a few Catholics. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BAPTIZE ANYONE WITHOUT CONSENT. I do not want anyone baptizing my dead relatives, and as I mentioned, we are even Christian. I feel Jewish people should sue. They need to be left alone. Tolerance!!!!
Re: Me's-loves-me's-some-cartel – Can you explain to me how a dead person can accept or deny anything??? If they are being baptized by proxy, it is the proxy's choice, not the deceased persons choice. The family is not gonna say "no, my great grandfater doesn't want to be baptized Mormon…" after they are the one who put them in the "database" in the first place…
Re: harrybalsac – hey balsac…..i might just go get me a bottle of midori………some new duf…and dance the day away
Re: Me's-loves-me's-some-cartel –
You mentioned "BTW when the LDS faith performs a baptism for a deceased person, that person has the privilege to either accept it, or deny it, they're not involuntarily baptized."
I'm a bit confused on this. How does a dead person accept or deny a baptism?
This was done for (to?) a friend of mine - an avowed atheist - who's Mormon Aunt-in-law decided several days after my friend's death that she needed to be baptized. I'm quite sure that, having already been creamated at that point, my friend didn't have a chat with her Aunt in which she gave her blessing.
WOW It's wild to see all these so-called tolerant liberals hating on the Mormons religion.
I think you better start protesting some black churches. You know the group of people the voted 70% for prop 8. They are 10% of California's population. How about protesting the Hispanic community. They make up like 45% of the population and they to voted for prop 8.
Cmon start protesting the ones who are responsible besides the few Mormons who make up 2 % of the population.
Funny because they gay community won't dare protest a black church. They know if they go after the "white Mormons" that it's politically correct to do so.
Shame!
I'm glad there is a forum here where we can tell Perez what we think. Honey, you do seem to be going after the Mormons like it's your mission. You write more about them, this Prop 8 and other political stuff then celebrities. It's important and thank you for sharing with us, but you built this gossip blog empire on clebrity news. Maybe you should readjust your focus. You are using this as a personal political forum. I can't support that because you are not really a responsible, held accountable journalist. You aren't presenting things fairly and impartially.
i never did understand the deal with this kind of thing. only alive, adult people should be baptised into any religion. i was baptised into the catholic religion as a child and i am not catholic. i don't like that that was done before i had made my own choice and i don't want to be baptised into any religion when i am dead either! fortunately baptism has no real power unless you believe it does.
Re: mamajud – i think he must be getting confused with the whole 12-21-12 thing. that is what i think everytime he typos that. takes me a minute to realize what he is trying to say LOL
An another thing… You seem to be focusing on ALL Mormons. For your info not all Mormons voted for prop8. I live in Florida, I my husband and I who are active members of the Mormon faith voted NO on prop2.
As I had my No on Prop 2 sign out on my front lawn, I would get scalded by my JEWISH neighbor for being disgusting. And by my BAPTIST neighbor for delivering the devils word. Me a MORMON fighting for your rights, is it even worth it anymore for me to support you when you keep focussing your H8 on me?
Crazy crazy crazy ass Mormons…. always pissing someone off or offending some group. I had family die in the Holocaust….. they better not mess with their names. SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT FOR THE DEAD, LDS!!!!!
Re: Lick_my_Icing –
I totally agree. If you want tolerance, then you should give it. What bugs me is that Prop 8 supporters have been more hateful and intolerant than those who voted for Prop 8. Where's the meekness? The civil rights movement was sparked by the ideologies of Ghandi. The gay rights movement has become far louder, intolerant, and more hateful than the civil rights movement. Show me some character for once.
he looks like a morlock in that photo..
P.S. Joseph Smith was a phoney & a fake Prophit…. it has been proved that 90% of The Book of Mormon was plagerized from the bible & all sorts of famous writings… he was a liar. The whole religion is a scam.
Re: heleon –
That is the truth. A proxy baptism is useless in the afterlife unless the recipient accepts it. If anything, it just makes the proxy performer feel better.
Re: MarPat – Do you believe in after life? If you do, you know that your spirt is still alive in the heavens. And when someone does a baptismal ordinance on your behalf, your spiritual body has the right to accept or deny those baptismal covenants.
PEREZITO,
I love that you are a proud hispanic and all, but this is getting out of hand! Prop 8 didn't pass just because of us Mormons! many other religions played a hand too! and it's getting annoying to hear you post things on your blog that are anti mormon. People need to get educated on things before they speak! the baptisms are performed for the dead, but it's up to them to accept or deny it! And if people think this is stupid or weird, than why are people threaten by it?!!! I know i'm just a comment in a million here, but come on!
Re: OhPleaseShutUp – Mormonism isn't a "cult." by definition, all religion is a cult. But singling out mormonism is archaic and intolerable.
I can not believe this, this makes me so sick. No one, I repeat NO ONE has the right to change someone else's believes. Not when they are alive, and not when they are dead. Where has the respect for religion gone? This is disgusting, I really can not believe people allow this to happen.
Re: Haywood Jablome – Like I said before, your spirit has the right to accept or deny these baptismal covenants. I know the Mormon faith is NOT the only religion who believes in afterlife.
As for your friend with all do respect, he also had the option of denying the baptism his aunt asked for.
Abraham Lincoln? Is that you?
Do you honestly believe that there are Mormons, Jews, Catholics, or Protestants in Heaven? If you are a person of faith then you must realize that all those lines will have no meaning in any kind of afterlife. If a Mormon wants to posthumously perform a baptism for members of his own family tree, with the belief that the dead relative can choose for themselves to accept it or not from the "other side", how does that hurt you? No one is making anyone else a "Mormon". There are no churches in Heaven. Or does your church teach that only baptized people can get into heaven and then offer no way for those who may have lived a good life, but didn't get baptized, to enter. Sounds to me like the Mormons are the least hypocritical of any of the Christian churches. Here the Catholics and Protestants are saying that these Jews who died in the Holocaust are doomed to Hell because they weren't baptized and yet you say NOTHING! But the Mormons are trying to do something about it, based on their beliefs, and you condemn them for doing so.
The reason you pick on Mormons is because you know they won't fight back. Easy target. Go picket some black churches in Compton, see how well you do.
All I have to say is that people always hate what they don't understand.
Perez, you are purposely putting these reports out there to discriminate against Mormons. Hate only creates more hate. As an educated reader, I can overlook this type of propaganda against Mormons and just attribute it to your poor character. But I feel the need to point it out for all the others that may be fooled by your tactics.
Baptism is a profesion of faith in, belief that Jesus died for your sins and agreeance to follow the path that the Lord guides you down, in the way the Lord has taught you to be right. A dead man cannot make that profession of faith? Tha man is dead! His afterlife cannot be decided after death, by people that survived generations that came to be! That makes no sense, and does nothing but bring to light the absurdity of the Mormon's belief system. To tell people that they can save the souls of anyone they were related to, past & present, if they just convert to their religion and put them on their payroll. It is crazy!!
Re: kerkieberkie – It is crazy to think that you can step in, perform a ritual and pull someone out of the heaven they know…or even save them from the hell they know. That is the power of God and God alone! We can pray for the souls of our passed away family and friends….we can pray for the souls of anyone; but, it is not our decision to offer up salvation to ANYONE dead or alive!! It is great if it makes Mormons "feel better", but is doesn't make it right to pretend to have the judgment of God at your fingertips!! THAT IS SACRELIGIOUS!
Re: Mormon Jess – Go live in one of your polygamy cults, get that awful jesus freak hairdo , wear a hideous little house on the prairie dress AND SHUT THE FUCK UP! Why you people feel the need to poke your nose into the business of others is absolutely beyond me.
Re: 2setitstraight – I second that!!
Re: Tiny G – So all Jews who were killed in the Holocaust are going to hell???? You ignorant bitch. Shove your morman spew up your ass. That was the most offensive thing ive heard in years, thanks bitch. Go fuck yourself cunt.
PLEASE READ THIS EVERYONE! THE MORMONS ARE ALSO PLANNING TO BAPTIZE FOR THE DEAD THE MUSLIM PROPHET MOHAMMED. He has seriously been on their baptisim for the dead list for years, they are just waiting for the right time to do it. I have a mormon family memeber who works with this list and they were so excited to help the Prophet Mohammed achieve salvation! Talk about a bad idea, bye bye Utah!
Wow, you are so obsessed with Mormons Perez. Stop attacking us all of the time. You are too ignorant to understand our faith.
Mormons are a disgusting cult. They have a history of sleeping with underage kids,having multiple wives and crazy mental disorders and views. Oh and yes while they might not be a huge voting block in CA,thank God,they were the main people who paid for 24 million dollars worth of ads that slimed and lied about gay people. These people are disgusting and a cult and that evil Church of LDS should start paying taxes. The CA supreme court will over-turn this great and evil injustice against gay people.
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Re: merebear – That is crazy! Who else is on that list? Hitler? Mussolini? Atilla the Hun? Lee Harvey Oswald? John Wilkes Booth? lol…..I bet Saddam Hussein and his sons are on the list, for sure! Jesus taught forgiveness and understanding, and urged his followers to stay open to all….spreading the word of His love to all. I don't think you can do that in the afterlife….a living person cannot offer salvation to a dead person….a living person cannot save a soul or determine where in heaven it shall be? Another man cannot determine whether anyone is worthy of eternal salvation in heaven!! When a man is alive, he can spread the word of God…in attempt to guide a person towards the path of heaven…but it not up to that man to decide whether anyone (especially a dead person) is worthy of the Lord!!
mormon religion is a ridiculous as scientology
they believe if you have 7 kids you become the god of your own planet - wtf!
That's just amazingly horrible. These Mormons have been acting really crazy the past year I feel.
So…you're mad that mormons don't agree with your lifestyle, so you're spreading hate? Two wrongs don't make a right. Seriously, I won't be coming back to the site, if this is what it's turned into…
Re: lala420 – Did you even read what I wrote? Do you know anything about what Christian churches teach? The Bible clearly teaches that without Baptism a person cannot enter Heaven. So if someone belongs to a "Christian" church that believes in the Bible then that's what THEY are saying. The Mormons DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE! Thus the baptisms for those that have died. Your anger is useless and keeps you from seeing the other point of view.
So for you it's OK for other Christians to believe what they believe as long as they don't actually do anything about it. But it's not OK for Mormons to act on what they believe. How dare they vote, or act, or make donations to causes they deeply believe in! Things they believe in just as much as you believe in you but yet they are wrong and you are right.
I have NEVER heard or seen a message of hate from the Mormons but the level of anger, hatred, and mis-information from the other side is staggering.
Perez should be ashamed of his constant anti-mormon posts. Take a look at Mormon history sometime. 175 years of persecution, mobs, and killings only made them stronger. Your protests at their places of worship will have the exact OPPOSITE effect you are looking for.
Perez's new whipping post - the mormons = imagine if straights carried on like these faggy assholes did - they'd be locked up - fags protest and wreck private property - it's all in protest - shut the fuck up already - take a look at YOUR own community - get the men with HIV out of bath houses and public restrooms - yeah, the homo's are so pissed because the world saw them for the perverts they are - little castrated fags with daddy issues - if your homo - your MOST likely from a broken home too - take a hard look at the lifestyle perez - and YES it's unworthy of marriage!!!!
trying to find anything you can to make the mormon's look bad?
anyways this is NOT new news. they baptize all their members with the names of dead people. so when you die you will be a mormon whether you like it or not. No its not fair. i think its disturbing. I was raised with my faith in my religion for a reason.
Re: harrybalsac – which bothers you more? Bill Clinton getting a blow job, or Dubya & Co. sending America's youth into a fake war - making money off their lives — which is more immoral to you?
Re: guitar man – you don't even know what you are talking about, they wouldn't baptize you anyways they do not like fags!!
Re: clayfan – Clay, I'm glad you spoke up - so many of the "crazy" religious nutjobs become the representatives of religion - and there are tons & tons of folks like you, who are as offended by this, too.
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It shocks me that the deceased HAVE a religion, and somehow these freaks think they have a right to change it.
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I hope the Jews win their case! This is wrong and sick. It's making a person fit into a box that they don't want to be in. So many Jews have already died horrific deaths in Nazi camps. Honor our dead and let them rest in peace - AS JEWS! Not Mormons.
Re: hawtmami –
See what you're doing perez? because the only things that people see about mormons are your twisted, negative stories, people are saying that they're starting to hate mormons. they have no idea otherwise what's going on, but you preach so much hate against them that it's unbelievable.
as for baptisms of the dead, the dead still have a choice once they are 'baptised" whether they choose to accept it or not. they still have their free will. no one's forcing the Jewish holocaust survivors to become "mormon holocaust survivors".
Re: running –
uh, no? the dead has the choice whether to accept the baptism or not. if they don't, oh well. they're not mormon. it's free will. we're not forcing it upon anyone.
Fuck the "MORONS" Just another religious cult who's members believe their "religion" is the one & only! Very ironic considering THEIR outsider past.
Ok, the Mormons need to be stopped. This cult of religious fanatics is doing this that are totally ass-backward. Why are the baptizing dead Jews? What's wrong with them?
Mormons are a cult not a religion, because when you start crazy shit like this, you are proving how out of reality you are.
Fucking mormons. I think they need a nickname……MMorons…..MoreMoney….what do you guys think?
SO THATS HOW THEY GOT ALL THOSE VOTES FOR PROP H8.
you are disgusting.
Those fuckfaces better not take my family genealogy, which has NO TRACE of Mormonism in it, and convert them posthumously to Mormonism. I listed my research with Family Search thinking it would be a better way for other relatives to find out about our ancestry, not so these fucking cult members could baptize everyone.
why is the Mormon church sooo screwd up
i'm not saying all mormons are
but i meen this is crazy why o why do they do this kind of stuff
Re: Me's-loves-me's-some-cartel – I am a Catholic and I do believe in the afterlife. But again I ask, how would my "spiritual body" as you put it accept or deny something? Would I possess someone at the baptism and say NO DON'T BAPTIZE ME!!!!! I am not trying to mock your beliefs, they are your own and you are entitled to them, but I am trying to understand your point here…