Some Mormons Resigning From The Church Following Passage Of Prop H8te
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The protests and marches and rallies are making a difference!
Never before has a group of people responded so strongly and so immediately to injustice. The efforts of the Anti-Prop 8 movement are beginning to prove to people how important this civil rights issue is, and that Prop 8 is not only a blow to gay rights, but a blow to everyone's rights.
Following nationwide protests outside Mormon churches, members of the church or Latter-day Saints (LDS) are resigning from the Church in hundreds.
Linda Stay from St. George is in the process of leaving LDS because the Church preaches against the gay marriage that her own son, Tyler, is in.
Andrew Callahan, an LDS member and prominent Anti-Prop 8 activist, runs a website intended to educate people and now, to assist with the resignation process. He remains part of the Church, though his family does not, because he was asked to resign and refuses to let them "feel they got what they wanted."
But he says he has heard from hundreds of people leaving the Church following the passage of Prop 8 and the ensuing demonstrations and marches that flooded the streets all over the country. He recounts the story of one "heartbroken" woman from California who "doesn't want to be associated with the bigotry and she doesn't want, in any way, to be responsible for teaching the young children to be bigots."
Callahan admits that many of these people may have left the Church anyway, but that since Prop 8 reared its ugly head and protesters gathered outside the Salt Lake City Temple on Friday, more than 200 members have made their resignation clear.
Discrimination is discrimination.
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Now their free to join a new cult! Come to Xenu!
YAY! Stop the hate.
I'm glad my church didn't publicly support Proph8te - although they mentioned something about being glad "protection of marriage" was passed AND i started literally cryin gin my seat. Why do people have to hate others to make themselves feel righteous?
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A lot of mormons are quite upset because their tithing (10% of their income that they donate to the church to help care for families in need) was part of the millions the church spent to support something they do not agree with. Its not fair or okay and us here in Utah are angry!!!
Puh-lease Perez, Stop with the Mormon bashing. It's beginning to sound a bit whinny. Why don't we fight prop8 with some dignity and integrity? I know you have both.
BOYCOTT ALL PROP HATE CONTRIBUTORS!
Fuckin Mormons!! For getting so involved with politics, they should lose their tax exempt status….which would hopefully be such a financial burden that it shuts that fucking cult down!! I know some Jehovah's Witnesses and even they aren't as pushy as those fuckin Mormons and that is saying a lot. Punk ass Warren Jeffs mother fuckers!!
Re: QLovesIt – you're a wackjob.
A "blow" to everyone's rights? Is that a gay joke??
It's not a blow to my rights at all fat stuff. I can get married anytime I want because a marriage is between a man and a woman not to guys or girls. So don't lie again and say it's a blow to my rights because it's not. I can get married tomorrow if I want doughboy. You fucking fake ass Spencer Pratt loser
wow that's nuts! Keep up the awareness.
Props from Canada, keep on given'er Cali!
Re: FAGS SHOULD BE SMOKED! – fuck you
Hey Me's-loves-me's-some-cartel do you seriously think Perez has either dignity and integrity? have you seen him? he's the last thing i think of when it comes to either dignity or integrity
You disgust me perez. you sit on your high horse and preach equal rights for all but then you are trying to get people to hate LDS people. You want this world to be equal for all then don't persecute somebody for using their voice as an american citizen. I don't see you going off about other christian religions that supported yes on prop 8. you know that people have spoken so now you need to find somebody to point the finger at. You don't deserve the rights of a "first class citizen" if your going to treat people like "second class citizens" because they have morals that they believe in. You are the lesser man today perez. I hope that your conscious and your character wasn't too high a price to pay for "your cause"
Why don't u just get over the fact that people have spoken. Just like the presidential election. Not everybody has voted for Obama but he's gonna be everybody's president. So get over it and wait for another election.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight! You're so full of shit Perez! I'm sure this person has talked to
"hundreds of people". That sounds so plausible. Now you're just making shit up. Get a life. Leave the mormons alone. How pathetic that you would try to persecute them just because you don't want to feel guilty that you suck, cock. Do you honestly think that if prop 8 hadn't passed people would look at you any differently? You're so full of shit.
don't need me no religon cause i'm goin' straight to hell, hell yeah!
Thats great. Thanks for publishing this hogwash. people who are resigning were already out the door. and are contradicting the teachings of the church. So Goodbye!
Re: mr morgan – bull crap! it was their own donations the church did not donate money!
Freedom is freedom and it works both ways: the LDS are free to vote for prop8 if they so choose….and they are also free to leave the LDS church if they choose,too.
On a side note, what's the deal with the gay flag? Why do homos have their own flag? I don't get it? Are they unamerican? Do they not like the U.S. Flag? Does anyone know? Just wondering.
Hahahaha! Oh man. Seriously, i'm LDS and i'm for prop 8 because its what i believe in. I'm ok with gay people, but i think marriage is something sacred. So for those mormons who are leaving the church it's only cuz they can't stand the heat.
Re: raerae – NO. fuck YOU!
Re: umyeah – I really wish people would do their homework before they open their mouths. The church didn't donate a dime to support prop 8. Individuals were the ones donating their money. Get your facts straight before you start discriminating something you obviously know little about. And really?? poligamy?? if you knew anything at all about LDS people you would know that our church is not associated with the warren jeffs FLDS religion!! we haven't practiced poligamy for years. and when we did it was only to take care of the women who lost their husbands and had nobody to provide for them or their children. get your facts checked before your start vomitting hate!
I can´t be there, I live in Europe, same-sex-marriage is legal here and I´m straight….
But that makes no difference, b/c I´m sure that this is genetic and if you love the same sex,who cares…
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This is about LOVING someone…LOVE is never bad!!!!
Don´t tell people who to love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
x10 kudos for keeping us posted on politics, as well as gossip and controversy. LOVES IT!
Might I suggest we settle this dispute once and for all with a dance off?!!!!!
Re: FAGS SHOULD BE SMOKED! – Dumba ass breeders who use the word fag should be neutered and executed. stupid fuck
Re: Pogue Mahone – exactly!
also I'm tired of this mormon stuff on your website Preze. I don't come on here about religion I come on here for frivolous hollywood gossip.
Re: Sgirl – FYI a lot of groups of people have their own flags. ever heard of state flags? military flags? muthafuckin church flags?
This is NOT a religious issue. This is a legal issue. This country was founded on the ideals of religious freedom, which should protect US citizens from religious oppression….and that includes passing laws that are rooted in religion. It's called separation of church and state. Accept it. MOVE ON. Worry about your own damned marriage, because there's a 50-50 chance it's going to fail and it's nobody's fault but your own. Not only that but by gay marriage not being federally recognized(even IF the state recognizes the union), we lose out on over 1000 federal rights and protections from couples tax adjustments to receiving the pensions and social security of our partners.
Don't even start with the "sanctity of marriage" bullshit and how God, in the Bible, defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. There are MANY people in this country, gay and straight, who don't believe in God….or believe in a different God. Are their marriages less valid than yours because they don't share your beliefs, or are they simply acceptable by default if they're straight? Have you even considered this concept, or are you too busy hating on gays because you think it's icky?
These were Mormons who didn't have atestimony of the Church anyway. Good riddance, we don't need fair weather adherents.
thats sad that an issue like this could turn people from thier chosen faith. if anything i feel like it has stregnthed mine.
"Callahan admits that many of these people may have left the Church anyway,"
So much for Prop 8 being the reason.
This is NOT a religious issue. This is a legal issue. This country was founded on the ideals of religious freedom, which should protect US citizens from religious oppression….and that includes passing laws that are rooted in religion. It's called separation of church and state. Accept it. MOVE ON. Worry about your own damned marriage, because there's a 50-50 chance it's going to fail and it's nobody's fault but your own. Not only that but by gay marriage not being federally recognized(even IF the state recognizes the union), we lose out on over 1000 federal rights and protections from couples tax adjustments to receiving the pensions and social security of our partners. Don't even start with the "sanctity of marriage" bullshit and how God, in the Bible, defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. There are MANY people in this country, gay and straight, who don't believe in God….or believe in a different God. Are their marriages less valid than yours because they don't share your beliefs, or are they simply acceptable by default if they're straight?
First off, "UmYEah" Warren Jeffs is NOT associated with the True Mormon church. He is a psycho who uses the true churches name to gain public notice! Second. I am a Mormon who accepts all people. I love my gay aunt more than life itself and would do anything for her. But when you love someone you can RESPECT their opinions and Life style!!! Stop the Hate WITHOUT the hate. There is no need for the name calling and blatant disrespect for peoples beliefs. This is still America RIGHT?? Fight the Good Fight With Love and respect.. Cause if you name call,you just Look STUPID and resemble the same bigotry you are trying to fight. Perez this is One Mormon who loves you!!! But please stop the bashing!!!!!!!!
Whining is whining. Get over it.
I'm thrilled to hear this news… I filed my formal resignation on Friday. I'm a free agent! The need to rename their church, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Hate".
Religion Freedom is under Perez. He doesn't believe in it, obviously.
The Church of LDS has gone too far in many issues. This is a perfect example of where lines need to be drawn. I was just reading the other day that they also perform post hummus 'conversions' for Jews that died in the Holocaust. They claimed that they were only 'converting' family members of current LDS members but they have been found to be 'converting' anyone who's name is put on a list. How insulting! These are people who were steadfast in their faiths and died because of it, and now the LDS feels it appropriate to convert them? What if a Jewish group came out and declared they were going to start converting LDS deceased members? Dig them up and circumcise them? It would cause a public outcry, no less should these actions by the LDS cause an outcry. Saddening and ridiculous!
First of all it should be Prop H8 not H8te because that doesn't make any sense.
And second of all:
"The efforts of the Anti-Prop 8 movement are beginning to prove to people how important this civil rights issue is, and that Prop 8 is not only a blow to gay rights, but a blow to everyone's rights."
I didn't feel any blow to my rights. In fact, I can keep enjoying the same rights all normal people deserve.
People in CA voted and that's their decision, now get over it.
Re: harrybalsac – still up for sniffing my sweet ass?
why are people freaking out so much about the mormons? didn't we all know they were super conservative anyway? IT WASN'T JUST THE MORMONS WHO VOTED NO!! and they are relatively small in number - so IT'S NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE MORMONS THAT PROP H8 PASSED. i live in socal - of course there are some mormons here, but not too many in my town. before the election there were all sorts of suburban families of NO RELIGIOUS DENOMINATION holding signs supporting prop 8. how about these people? just regular ol' families that aren't religious but are sooooooo afraid of "gays corrupting their children" and they think that marriage is ONLY between a man and a woman. by singling out the mormon church, we are not helping the issue AT ALL. I THINK WE ALL SHOULD NOT PROTEST THE DISCRIMINATION AND HATRED OF GAYS BY DISCRIMINATING AND HATING!!!!!
Re: Julian Day – DUMBASS PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THAT FAG IS ALSO BRITISH FOR A CIGARETTE SHOULD BE NEUTERED AND EXECUTED!!!
fucking dumbass. the name goes QUITE well with the picture if you had have a brain and/or imagination
Re: FAGS SHOULD BE SMOKED! – IF YOU *HAD* a brain and/or imagination
Re: umyeah – 1. I think everyone has dignity and integrity. Whether they choose to act on it is entirely up to them. 2. Warren Jeffs IS NOT MORMON. He was the leader of the FLDS (Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints). When the LDS church stopped practicing polygamy in the 1800's, some of the members left the church and created the FLDS. The two religions are not linked in any way. Let's get your facts strait, okay?
It is not h8t people. I mean c'mon, are you really that naive and gullible? Who are you to change what the definition of marriage is and has been for centuries? Just as you have a right to rise against prop 8, I have a right to support prop 8. Just because I believe wholeheartedly that marriage should remain a holy union between a man and a woman does not mean I'm a bigot, a hater, or any other colorful term you wish to bestow on me. You have civil unions that give you the same rights as married people.
What is the DEAL? I believe you are promoting hate by continuing to publicize that prop 8 is a hateful proposition. I have a right to fight for what I believe just as you do, let the people vote, then shut UP. You can have this vote every election year and maybe eventually you will get you want. BUT until then, I'm happy prop 8 passed. AND NO I'm not a bigot or a hater. I can allow someone to have free agency to make their own decisions for their life but you won't do it for mine by voting against something like prop 8. Keep your rallies up as you continue to show your true colors for violence if you don't get what you want. Exhibit A is the Grandma who was attacked by gays/lesbians at one of these rallies. I haven't heard of or seen one Mormon that has acted in this fashion, not one. Those who leave the church it's their decision as we are a free country and LDS is a religion where you can come and go unlike a cult. If you are going to fiercely stand up for something, please do it educated.
Re: FAGS SHOULD BE SMOKED! – Perhaps I am, perhaps I am.
Re: umyeah – The Mormon church does have a right to take a moral stance on this issue or any other issue just like the catholic church does with abortion. It's not a political stance, it's a moral issue. Again, educate yourself before you start posting; it saves a lot of heart ache, ill feelings, and hate mongering. You preach over and over that you feel you're being hated upon yet I only see people like you creating violent situations and promoting hate towards Mormons or really anyone who so happens to not agree with you or your lifestyle. I'm sorry, but you just aren't the center of the universe.
Re: kiana – Civil unions, even when they give the same rights, are "separate but equal" … it was wrong in the 60s and it's wrong now.
Re: Julian Day – so whaddya say you piece of SHIT???
DON'T GIVE UP!
NO ON 8!
Perez!!! Just when I was starting to check your website every 5 minutes you have to bash my religion!! please don't do this! There are enough false rumors out there about us Mormons, we don't need the Gossip Queen to add to it…Please, I respect your choices….the least you can do is respect my religion. Don't religion bash anymore…whatever religion it is.
…don't Mormons marry and fuck young girls…I mean younger than legal adults? I hope I am not spreading hate but I think that this is the case and if it is…why hate on gays? "One Fine Day" we will all be as equal on paper as we are in reality!
Re: jds3266 – um, you should know what you're talking about before you post online…I'm sorry you feel this way.
Re: karencarpenter – Um you're confusing LDS with FLDS…It sucks that they go by almost the same name…
Re: QLovesIt – Aren't the rights what you are complaining about? Equal rights is what you got and should be enough. You can't change the fact that a man and a woman can produce offspring therefore to me the definition of marriage should remain between a man and a woman. I just wish people would stop trying to step all over my rights and be satisfied with what they have. It's a compromise and no people who choose a gay lifestyle have automatically chosen to be different. You can deny the bible as much as you want but you won't sway me and I wholeheartedly believe in the bible. AND guess what? I'm not a bible thumper, gun toter red neck either.
Me's-loves-me's-some-cartel says – Puh-lease Perez, Stop with the Mormon bashing. It's beginning to sound a bit whinny. Why don't we fight prop8 with some dignity and integrity? I know you have both.
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I respectfully disagree, Perez definitely has no dignity and no integrity!
"leaving in the hundreds" ????? that sounds a little suspect, not sure about the validity of this story, it would be cool if it was true, but I doubt it!
Re: Toblerone – …sacred may be defined as 'Worthy of respect; venerable.' Why don't you think that gay people are not worthy of respect? It seems very unchristianlike to me…I am not hating, just wondering where you are coming from. Thanks.
Perez, leave the Mormons alone!
Re: kiana – I agree with you. It's a moral standpoint(voting to pass prop8), and it's not a "civil-rights issue(the gay cause) but merely political manipulation. I am strongly pro-life myself but I still don't go fire-bombing abortion clinics, for example, yet the militant gay protesters are storming churches and creating general violence and intimidation.I'm not happy abortion is so freely available and unlimited(just as the gays aren't happy Prop8 passed) but I'm also not going to protest in violent means,either.There are better and more civilized ways to get your point across without crying "discrimination!" every time someone disagrees with you,and without resorting to civil unrest and vandalism.
::Now their free to join a new cult! Come to Xenu!::
Actually, Scientologists are anti-gay as well.
::On a side note, what's the deal with the gay flag? Why do homos have their own flag? I don't get it? Are they unamerican? Do they not like the U.S. Flag? Does anyone know? Just wondering.::
Why are you trying to incite fear and separation? Obviously, the fact that gays have a flag is a symbolism (the rainbow symbolizing unity and diversity). Gays pay taxes and contribute to American society as much as the next person, and several gay men and women are fighting and losing their lives overseas to defend the American flag so don't insult them. Not to mention, even states have their own flags. Are they somehow unamerican? Rediculous.
Re: mormonchick – I stand (actually sit) corrected and mean no offense. thanks for informing me!
What's interesting is that the Mormons are also under fire from the Jews for their Baptism of Jews who died in the Holocaust, as well as their frontline assault across the Utah border to scare Californians. As Mormons are the key knowledge font for most genealogy, in 200 years, all you will see for Jews killed for their religion during the holocast is that they were 'mormon'.
As someone who was very close to the Mormon faith, I understand why they are still classified as a 'cult' by the American Sociological Society. They change their basic doctrine to suit their agendas, and govern their members with an iron fist. They didnt allow men of color to even hold the priesthood until the early 1970s as they we not considered people.
Their doctrine of obedience and xenophobia certainly has no place in our modern society.
Re: QLovesIt – The reason the church did not "publicly" support Prop 8 with direct finances is because there are laws which prohibit political activities of churches. Were the laws not in place, you better believe it would have been direct financial support.
Re: Toblerone – Please explain why the state of California is in the 'sacred' business. Include in your explanation why in a country founded on the principle of separation of church and state your sacred views are written into the state's laws.
"Gay couples began marrying in Connecticut on Wednesday after a judge cleared the way, a victory for advocates stung by California's ban on same-sex unions last week."
Hey Perez. If you have a SO you guys can go to Ct. and tie the knot. "Love Is Surrender" and "We've Only Just Begun".
Re: MormonPerezLover – How ironic christians championing the suppresion of their fellow law abiding, tax paying citizens should demand respect regarding their "religion". I don't give a rat's bleeding ass what you believe or what you worship. It's none of my business. And my business is none of yours. Apparently our tax dollars are good enough for you people. Guess what, so should our full legal equality. You god loving bigot.
Re: kiana – Well then I seriously hope that when you get married it's for life, because divorce is is more corrosive to marriage than anything I can think of.
I just wish all those people support Prop H8 would put down the magnifying glass and look into the mirror for once.
On election day I actually went over to a bunch of supporters and asked them how many of them have been divorced,or lied to their spouses, or talked shit about their friends or neighbors, not a one was righteous enough to have the right to judge anyone.
If you are honestly living by the tenants of you faith to the letter, are happy, and Christlike (or whomever you pray to), then I would think you would be spending so much time doing good for all mankind (not just your family and those of your faith), that you wouldn't have time to worry about hating people for their beliefs.
Remember people Jesus was the most tolerant Jew ever, try being a bit more Christlike and less of a hypocrite.
So Mormons are responsible for all this? There are just over 500,000 Mormons in California, with over half of those being children who can't vote, and the proposal got like 6 million votes….hmmm….Also, didn't African Americans vote like almost 70% to ban gay marriage in CA (and there are 2.5 million of them living in CA). The LDS church itself did not give a dime toward passing this. The individuals donated on their own. There were also many Catholics, evangelicals, etc. I don't get why it's so cool to hate on the Mormons when they probably didn't have nearly as much of an impact as protesters would like us to believe.
i think gays should stop using the "N WORD" because they're bitter 70% of blacks voted for prop 8. And if u are gonna blame those "N Words" then why are gays protesting in front of WHITE churches!?!?
accept defeat with CLASS
Re: kiana – Does that mean that married hetrosexual couple that cannot produce offspring should have their marriage invalidated as well. Since they aren't technically married for any other reason than they are in love? Or as a hetrosexual female are you telling me that if I decide not to produce offspring that I have to give up my right to get married?
Since it's all about breeding then shouldn't you as a non-hypocrite run down to the nearest adoption agency and pick up a couple of kids in the system since you only support Prop 8 for the children. Wouldn't the $22M the church (or it's member spent) battling against Prop 8 been better utilized helping those less fortunate? Oh wait we would never spend money on people not associated with the church unless we could convert them or unless we are spreading hate.
I know it may offend many for me to rally at churches but you know what…I am fighting for my rights. This should not be a me versus religion argument, but when the Mormon churches fund misleading propaganda about how legalizing gay marriage will REQUIRE churches to marry gays(they are SPECIFICALLY protected against this in the California constitution) then I must make a stand. I am not fighting to simply get my way, I am fighting to be equally recognized under the law.
And civil unions are not enough. Due to the Defense of Marriage Act, states do not have to respect the civil unions of other states. This is a violation of the Full Faith and Credit Clause in the US Constitution. Not only that but even a same sex marriage or civil union does not give these couples the over 1000 benefits of marriage.
The big issue is that there are two meanings to marriage. There is the religious aspect of marriage(which is up to churches and religion), and more than that there is the civil contract of marriage which allows loved ones the GOVERNMENT benefits we want.
I don't care about your religion, or Mormon faith, but I do care about being able to file my taxes with my loved one, and being able to collect his pension or social security should he die. These are basic legal wants.
Re: kiana – I would never dismiss the Bible, I believe it is God's word. As a Christian, who has studied the Bible, I believe that Jesus would not condemn people for being gay. I do not know how different the mormon bible is, so I'm not going to pretend I do but I know that in the Bible I read there are no more than 6 mentions of anything that could be considered homosexual. Half are in the OT and are mixed in with laws about not having sex with your wife while she's on her period or mixed fabric textures. Those who believe in Jesus believe we aren't held by the Jewish law. In the NT, Paul mentions homosexual SEX but never a relationship. In Romans, he is writing after traveling the medeterranean(sp) and seeing loads of temples to god/goddesses of love/passion/fertility and the deprave acts people commited to them. There is no proof he is really talking about a loving relationship between 2 men/2 women. As far as corinthians/timothey goes the actual greek words lean more towards the condemnation of marrie dmen taking young boy prostitutes. These are all interpretations, just like the church's condemnation of homosexuality is an interpretation. Again, I'm not Mormon I'm a Christian so I'm not trying to say that this is what you believe.
P.S. Perez didn't make up the story as he clearly included the link to the original ABC story.
Re: former M fan –
I agree, where are the solid stats to back up "in the hundreds." I don't doubt that people have resigned, but I am doubting it is that many.
WTF why you make the american flag so freaking GAY GAY GAY! UGH thats just sick!
Re: Jaded – You obviously have not done your homeowrk. The LDS church is constanly giving to relief efforts and people who are in need of help. And not just to those who believe in their religion. EVERYBODY!! I am LDS and have no problem with gay people wanting to be married. But I do have a problem with people asking to not be discriminated against and then truning right around and badgering people for their beliefs. Don't preach equal rights if your not willing to let the american people speak and use thier right to vote for the things they believe. Its called a democracy for a reason.
DIE FUCKING HOMOS DIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
BURN IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: karencarpenter – No they don't dumbass. Why don't you research for a split second before you open your stupid little mouth. Idiot.
Get offfffffffffff the mormons back Perez!!!!!!!!!!!you are a disgusting insecure homo who still in your mind can't believe anyone famous likes you. You know your a fat slob at heart who couldn't get a woman to date you so turned to men EEEEWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!
Re: umyeah – Your a uninformed MORON!! who doesn't know what the F your talking about.
Re: b a t k i s s – Which would then therefore be their right to support financially. Just as you can support and fund whichever political stance you see fit as well, again if that were the case.
Re: JoDanGiRl – RIGHT ON!!!!!!
Re: b a t k i s s – Yes separation of church and state but they also acknowledged God in several areas such as the national motto, on our money, the star spangled banner, etc. They respected Heavenly Father in all things, even said prayers during their meetings, before and after. I don't think their separation of state and religion is the same definition you are going for today.
Re: mr morgan – the church itself does not donate money to ANY political cause….what individuals do with their own money is their own business. There were LOTS of individuals that donated money, not just mormons. But the LDS church did not make a donation and I DARE you to prove otherwise.
I am deeply proud of all people making a stand and letting it be known that the passing of prop 8 is profoundly wrong. As a former member of the LDS church, I KNOW how hard it is to make a decision to leave the faith; but I applaud you, all of you who have the courage to do just that….Love and Spirituality are found in all kinds of groups, organizations and from within, you don't have to be part of a religion that is intolerant, hypocritical, judgmental and full of condemnation. I Solute you, walk tall and be proud for you are doing a great thing!
lets just hope we see this turn out when they try to ban abortion!
Re: JoDanGiRl – - Don't preach equal rights if your not willing to let the american people speak. -
Interesting isn't that what you are telling me to do? In essence, "shut up an deal with it?" What I find the most amusing is if you had bothered to read I didn't attack your church (projecting much?) I made reference to them all.
Oh and here's a kicker for you I'm not gay. I just believe in the right for everyone to be treated with respect and no I don't believe that legislation should be written into the constitution of a state or this country that actively attacking a specific group, color, religion, or gender.
As woman who was born of mixed race (Hey wait! I do have something to say about rights) my forefathers and mothers bled for me to have the rights that I have now so I think it would be disrespectful for me to now try to take the rights of others away.
Just think 88 years ago women couldn't vote, and anti-miscegenation laws (that would be anti bi-racial marriage laws ) were on the books until 1967. So, back then if people didn't fight for what they believed in woman would still be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen with no rights. And I would have been considered the spawn of an illegal marriage.
As a matter of fact… direct from research — In the 18th, 19th, and early 20th century, many American states passed anti-miscegenation laws, which were often defended by invoking racist interpretations of the Bible.— Kind of sounds like what people are doing today.
Re: kiana – Re: kiana – wow, actually when you have something that you cherish(marriage) and you think it is so sacred, than wouldn't you want everyone else to experience the same thing? seriously, ask yourself that, because if you don't want other people to experience the same thing that you cherish so much, and only want a certain group of people to experience that, guess what that makes you? YOU GOT IT!! a bigot. Love is something that I have in my heart and wouldwant everyone to experience that same feeling, If I were to dictate who "deserves" it, that would make me a small minded human being, not to mention a bigot. When we experience wonderful things in our lives, we should want to share them, not keep them from people. "allowing" (which the term itself is so disrespectful in my opinion) gay people to get married would NEVER take anything away from you, and if you feel that it would, that you really should tell other people who drive the same car as you that they should not be allowed to buy it because it "lowers' your social status…give me a break. open your mind. your opinions are so 19th century. its about sharing, not taking something away, you selfish,egotistical person!!
Re: Jaded – You said it!! Intolerance sucks!
Re: kiana – As I understand it, separation of church and state was originally to have protected the CHURCHES from gov't interference and restrictions.Is this not correct?(If I have it wrong please forgive me; I'm Canadian!)
You can resign and leave the church but they will NEVER leave you alone unless you are excommunicated. My husband left the church over 12 years ago and they still don't leave us alone. We move, they find us.
Once you are a member you are always a member.
Re: Jaded – In case you didn't notice I am not against gay marriage. You love who you love should have the right to marry whomever you choose. What I do feel is very sad is that the people who have had a history of discrimination are now trying to justify using the exact same thing as a means to an end. Ya your ancestors fought for their rights but my ancestors also fought for their right to vote the way they choose to. I'm not asking any person to not be gay or not be african american, I completely embrace the differences in people. I am however asking that people practice what they preach. I think a little more tolerance on all sides would do everybody alot more good than these attacks on sexual orientation or race or religion. Just as it is your right to vote no it is also the american peoples right to vote yes. and lets not forget. this vote was not put to just the mormon people living in cali. It was put to all the AMERICAN CITIZENS.
One more thing and I'm done:
Since, I've been accused of not doing research.
The 14th Amendment clearly states in Section 1
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Also, since some people all are interpreting what the Bible says I feel the right to interpret what the Constitution says, and as such. According to the US Constitution Prop 8 is Anti-American. So, while this in indeed a democracy we have already voted on this issue and had it ratified on July 9, 1868.
Re: FAGS SHOULD BE SMOKED! – We are not in Great Britain you feral minded dickslap. If you want to talk like that, do us all a favor and leave America and breed your little retarded bigot babies in Camden, where they will no doubt emulate Amy Winehouse like the rest of you incompetent hetros who make children you can't seem to raise properly. God, I love when straight people get offended when gays push back. Expect more asshole.
Re: JoDanGiRl – Actually in this case for this election it was put to California, Arizona, Florida, and one other state that I don't recall at present moment. So the AMERICAN PEOPLE did not speak, 53% (not sure the numbers on the other states so I am going to generalize) of four states spoke. In the early years of our country people voted for a number of things that were later deemed un-Constitutional. So, since you are so "We the People" maybe your should check out the fact that this issue was already decided on in 1868, by the country not just by individual states.