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A Meaningful Prop 8 Victory!!!!!

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The California Supreme Court has just agreed to hear the legal challenges to the recently passed gay marriage ban!

The state's highest court could have chosen not to hear any of the oppositions to the new amendment to the state constitution.

They've done the right thing today. They've done the right thing in the past. And they will (hopefully) continue to do what's right with regard to our rights!

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410 comments to “A Meaningful Prop 8 Victory!!!!!”

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  1. 301

    Re: Melissa is always right hates PerezRe: Wanna Milk Me Hates Perez!! – Flattery will get you no where, nor will sarcasm.

  2. 302

    The republican dominated court will rule that the bare majority funded by mormon money and the republican party hate infested prop 8 needs to be over-turned and that will be it, if not it will go the the 9th circuit court of appeals and by the time it heads to the supreme court,hopefully Obama will have 3 new justices there. Lets all pray for the demise of Scalia and Thomas.

  3. 303

    Re: b a t k i s s – Hey b a t k i s s: Keep your ladder out, you never know, but if it doesn't go that way, then don't be disappointed. Four more years and it can be put to vote again.

  4. 304

    Re: lefty lady – hahaha…..the dirty sexy men……lol……but crab bisque rocks too

  5. 305

    I'm happy to hear it. And for all of you that don't care and want him to give it a rest, remember this, black people had to fight for equality too not that long ago. If they had listened to the original "will of the people" they'd probably still be slaves today, and wouldn't be allowed to have any rights or vote. Same kind of situation, different group of people. And if you can't wrap your head around that, then wrap it around this. WOMEN oringinally had to fight to vote. Again, if the original "will of the people" had been followed, most women would still be in their homes with no more than a mediocure high school education, with 6 kids and a cheating abusive husband. Think about THAT. When people are being IGNORANT and UNFAIR to others, those people, black, woman, or gay or WHATEVER, they will FIGHT for what is RIGHT!!! As they should. And I will personally be happy to do what I can to help them out. SO quit being stupid and close minded. And if you think you are, SERIOUSLY look at history. If you don't fight for your rights, your ass would still be in England under a monarchy. Think about THAT.

  6. 306

    Gah! Why the hell is it taking so long for comments to appear?!

  7. 307

    The people have spoken and the courts should respect that!!

  8. dulce says – reply to this


    Hey folks, guess what? BOTH sides have asked the California Supreme Court to review this case. YES, BOTH SIDES!! try reading something other than gossip all day long, amazing the stuff you'll learn!

  9. 309

    Oh I know. I told my hubby that I would pay to put his ass through mechanics school just so he could come home greasy and dirty. Mmm….pardon me. I need a cold shower. Or batteries. Whichever I get my hands on first…..

  10. jefdo says – reply to this


    Re: Azureus9
    I'm a republican as well, though it's probably quite obvious. Despite what I've been accused of I'm not homophobic nor do I have anything against homosexuals. The problem I have concerning this post is that I feel like the courts are being greatly misused. Their role is not to push anyone's agenda or make decisions on policy issues. They should really strive to be impartial. I'm disgusted at the fact that what the majority of voters decided means nothing in California. Everyone would have been raving about the democratic process had prop 8 failed, now they're abusing the positions of govt. to push their agenda. The thing I'm really upset about is the complete disregard for the way government operates. The framer's would be rolling over in their graves at this, it was never their intent for the courts to decide issues of policy.

  11. 311

    Re: Uker – This is not 'brilliant news'! Look up the word. You go hand-in-hand with MANdonna, a somatic narcissist; and Perez, a cry baby brat! Both need attention by throwing temper tantrums when somebody doesn't agree with them. They need to suck on pacifiers!!!

  12. 312

    Re: b a t k i s s – Last week FAGS…SMOKED indicated s/he was making molatov cocktails to hurl at Saturday's demonstrations. I commented to the effect if anything of that nature happened on Saturday the author of the post would be implicated. Whereas no such threats were acted out I'll assume the comment had its intended impact. Talking smack is wonderfully American till someone gets hurt, kids.

  13. 313

    Re: lefty lady – haha…..i have a dirty sexy hubby too

  14. 314

    Re: ShakeYourkitty – don't ignore it…….i blew off removing mine for over a year………if i had gone in when the doctor first told me, i would have saved myself years of angst…………all is good now though

  15. 315

    Re: lefty lady – hahahahah……hell yeah…..

  16. dulce says – reply to this


    Here's a little bit of history for you guys also:
    The Constitution established courts to protect the rights of those who would otherwise be targets of discrimination by the majority. It wasn't until 1967 that the US Supreme Court overturned laws that made it illegal for people of mixed race to marry. Without the courts, a majority would've voted to keep southern school segregated as well. I know some people have a hard time realizing that they are expressing the same kind of bigoted behavior of these racists, one day I think you will feel desperately ashamed for being part of the Pro 8 movement.

  17. 317


  18. 318

    Re: knowitall – for a know it all you sure are illiterate!

  19. 319

    Let's hear it for the dirty, greasy, sexy men! May they never be clean!

  20. 320


  21. 321

    Re: dansergrrl

    Wow. Maybe YOU should change your avatar jackass

  22. 322

    Re: b a t k i s s
    GENIUS! Batkiss regarding Batkiss.

  23. 323

    Re: b a t k i s s – most of us come here b/c it's a pc free zone….fags can say whatever she wants…….no reason for you to go batshit
    anyone else love those weird shoe/boots on the right as much as they hate them?

  24. 324

    Re: jaymo82 – what do white people writing the bible have to do with gay marriage??……did white people even write the bible???……seriously, i don't know anything about the bible

  25. 325

    It was unfortunate that Prop 8 passed, but like with all other minority rights issues the will of the people almost always votes against granting minorities rights. I can’t think of a single issue where the will of the people (majority) stood up for minorities instead of voting to deny rights. It took courts to legalize interratial marriage in 1967. Civil Rights should not be voted on. It should be protected by our constitution, not subject to the tyranny of the majority.

  26. 326

    MY beliefs are MY RIGHTS too. I have a RIGHT to believe in whatever I believe and I believe that gay marriage is wrong. How about MY RIGHTS PEREZ?????
    I have a RIGHT to my RELIGIOs beliefs.

  27. 327

    People have the right to believe in w/e religion they want or just to believe in w/e they want, those are RIGHTS TOO.

  28. 328

    So do people just vote now and people bitch about it so they change it.. THEY vOTED PEREZ get over it. Thats not a democracy, it wasn't voted on, get over it.

  29. 329

    WE CALIFORNIANS VOTED on Prop 8, WE VOTED YES on Prop 8, not ONCE, but TWICE and the gay community cannot accept it? Boo Hoo, Cry me a RIVER. If the court overturns it, we'll be BACK AGAIN

  30. 330

    Re: jefdo
    I am curious to know is why were people given the option to decide whether two adults of the same gender could be married or not. I personally don't think it's any of my business, or any of ours for that matter.
    I'm aware that people have their religious beliefs, but if the majority is allowed to have a say in the lives of others is democracy not being misused in that case as well?

  31. 331

    I VOTED YES on Prop 8, and the majority of Californians voted YES…and the gay community cannot accept it? Boo Hoo, Cry me a RIVER. If the court overturns it, we'll be BACK AGAIN

  32. 332

    Re: lefty lady
    So what? Gays can wreck it too now?..What the hell does that mean?. Just because people screw up marriage a lot doesn't mean..anything. It means people are just idiots, not just hetero people. As if gay people could make marriages last just as long as heteros…thats the worst attempt to make a point ever

  33. 333

    Re: freespeechsf – That is a good point. My only fear is what if the people on the court is biased one way or another? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing; just mulling over your statement.

  34. 334

    it is MY RIGHT to believe in what i want to believe, it has nothing to do with seperation of the church or the government if that were true why is it ONE NATION UNDER GOD!?..

  35. 335

    The CONSTITUTION states marriage is between a man and woman. It's NOT a CIVIL rights issue…it is a LEGAL RIGHTS issue for HETEROSEXUALS to maintain MARRIAGE between a man and woman! Not man and man, woman and woman, man and dog, man and chair!!

  36. 336

    Re: jaymo82
    Um…FYI the people in the Bible were not necesarilly white, they were from Isreal, and I don't know about you but I wouldn't say all the people in there are white. and What does being white have anything to do with being gay..theres..white gay people?..what the hell is your point..there's black and asian people that think being gay is wrong too.

  37. 337

    Re: freespeechsf
    Yes, my point exactly.

  38. 338

    Re: Millie05 – If this activist court goes AGAINST the will of the PEOPLE…all californians should rise up and defend marriage and make these gay protests look like NOTHING. GAY homos need to shut up, go to church and learn to be normal and like people of the opposite sex like they were INTENDED to do. Absolutely INSANE the court would even LOOK at this…they're basically saying FUCK YOU to the citizens and "we're smarter then you."

    YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, I think we've had ENOUGH of this liberal bulls**; as a native Californian, I'm ASHAMED of our judges to have overturned this once already. This time, we will all gather our efforts, money and WILL to fight should these liberal judges overturn Prop 8!! It's not a CIVIL rights issue!!

  39. jefdo says – reply to this


    Re: Azureus9
    Well I think many are afraid that the sanctity of marriage is in danger. Some for religious reasons and many for different reasons. I think had they tried for civil unions they would have been more successful. I don't think most people are against them having the same rights, they just don't feel like they should have to redefine marriage. The ugly protests and violent actions of it all aren't helping the cause.

  40. 340

    Re: bob1234 – My point is simply that "sanctity of marriage" isn't a good defense these days because the sanctity of marriage hasn't been valued by hetero couples for quite some time. It seem lucrative to have a lawyer fighting gay marriage when he cheats on his wife, goes home and beats her, doesn't respect her, etc. I'm not saying that all hetero's are bad at marriage, but simply that divorce is so common and the sanctity of marriage as a whole isn't valued as much in our society anymore.

  41. 341

    Re: bob1234 – So, Bob? Are you a Battery Operated Boyfriend?

  42. 342

    Get back in my dresser BOB! You're not supposed to be out running around!

  43. 343

    If the courts somehow declared this proposition unconstitutional or something it will be the greatest miscarriage of justice America has seen in awhile. Why vote if your vote doesn't mean anything. I hope the courts do the right thing and leave the prop as it is so that the people of California know that when they speak, their voices WILL be heard.

  44. 344

    Re: jefdo
    Well, wouldn't the sanctity of marriage be defined by the two people who entered into it?
    I don't think they ever intended on redefining it for everyone else, nor would it take anything from the meaning of it. I would probably feel differently if it were those who support same-sex marriages that started the initiative to have the constitution changed to redefine it. However, it is my understanding that it was those who oppose same-sex marriage who came up with proposition 8 in order to ammend the state constitution to only recognize marriages between a man and a woman.
    In my humble opinion, if people were truly concerned about the sanctity of the institution of marriage, then there would have been a measure passed to ban frivolous divorces.

  45. jefdo says – reply to this


    Re: Justsomeguy
    finally somebody gets it.

  46. 346

    Re: Justsomeguy – I support gay marriage, but I feel that you are right. It seems like there will be no clear winner; on one side, you have thousands of homosexuals that want their rights and on the other side you have millions of voters that want their rights protected. Word.

  47. 347

    jfedo-You don't get it at all.

  48. jefdo says – reply to this


    Re: knowitall
    You don't understand anything. You just call everyone an uneducated bigot while calling them cunts, assholes, etc. You're a hateful person trying to preach against hate. And a horrible hypocrite. People like you make it very hard for anyone to want to support your cause, you give it a bad name.

  49. 349

    Re: jefdo – Woah. Just had a total Bon Jovi flashback. "You give love a bad name!"

  50. 350

    Re: jefdoRe: lefty lady
    Oh I like you two…
    Re: Justsomeguy
    I do see what you are saying, but the majority that voted did so on something that had already been declared unconstitutional by the supreme court.
    Be it as it may though, the majority did vote on this and though it may not always be "fair" to everyone it is a matter of whether people's vote counts or not.
    I think I probably would need to educate myself a little more on constitutional law, and the role that judges play in order to protect, or regulate those laws. Most of my views are on what I percieve to be fair. To me, it doesn't seem fair that people get to vote on matters that would directly affect a group of people who have been stigmatized for so long.

  51. 351

    Here we go again… just watch… these activist judges will once again step WAY outside their authority by creating laws. That is what started this whole thing in the first place. We have a checks and balances system for a REASON!!! Those loser judges are the root of all the problems on both sides of this battle.
    I really fear what this movement by judges (not just in CA) is doing to our system of government.

    Re: GNAT

    That's why if they do overturn Prop 8 the people need to start proceedings to have the judges impeached.

    Recall Election

    A few states allow for judges to be removed from office by recall election. Judges may be subject to recall for serious offenses, which may or may not be specified in recall provisions. The two-part process is initiated by a recall petition signed by voters and presented to election officials. If the required number of signatures is obtained and any challenges to the recall petition are unsuccessful, a date is set for a recall election and the judge is removed if a majority of voters vote for recall.

  52. 352

    people are so IGNORANT there is nothing wrong with people that are gay, they're probably better people than you are. do you think they chose to be that way? did you choose to be straight? i don't think so.

  53. jefdo says – reply to this

  54. jefdo says – reply to this


    Re: Cottonquinn
    YES! more people on the right track. Regardless of where people stand on this issue they MUST realize that judges pushing policies are moving WAY outside of their position. They are supposed to be enforcing the law and upholding the Constitution. Policy is left to the legislatures. The Gov. needs to respect the vote of the people and not abuse the courts, and the courts need to do their job correctly and NOT push anyone's agendas.

  55. 355

    I thought we lived in a democracy? The people vote on how they want their state governed. Ya lost, get over it!

  56. 356

    bob-you can belive what you want,what you cant have is a religous hobby that takes rights away from other people just because you dont like them. it doesnt work that way,at least it wont in California,we are not the disgusting south,and we wont tolerate bigotry here.

  57. 357

    Jefdo-I think republican bigots need to stick their noses out of California,what happened to states rights,oh yeah when they dont go your way you dont like them as much.

  58. 358

    Stop all the protesting - you lost at the election the people of California voted against Prop 8 - sorry - you don't see Republican's protesting in the streets that they didn't get there way - Sorry but sometimes you don't get what you want not everyone feels the same as you. I believe it should have passed personally but you can't change the outcome or could we redo the election and not have Obama pres? I believe it was the black vote that voted most against Prop 8 - so why go after so many other group of people? why not go ask the black voters?

  59. 359

    Not gay at all-you are forgetting that half of the state voted for gay rights,granted the more violent and uneducated side voted for bigotry against gays. I think when mobs of homophobes march it will make public opinion go way over to the gay side,im hopint you bigots march for bigotry,they under 30 people hate your guts already,that will just increase it.

  60. 360

    Jefdo-I only call the name callers and people that use gay slurs names,have you told "fags should be smoked" thats its not cool to have a name that says "gays should be killed" no that probably doesnt even register in your hate zone,does it. IM a pretty nice and civil person ,but I fight hate with hate right back,and you target me as a gay person and I will target you right back.too many liberals and gay people are way too nice when dealing with the aggressive garbage on the right.

  61. 361

    jay-sun- The bigger question is not why Perez cares,its why a bigot like you cares?

  62. 362

    Re: Sleepless in Seattle
    I'm afraid you have it a little turned around.
    A NO vote would have kept things as they were after the courts ruled that same-sex marriage bans were uncostitutional back in May.
    A YES vote (which was the majority) was to write into the California State Constitution that only marriages between a man and a woman were to be recognized.
    The proposition passed by a small margin of less than 5%, but it did pass.

  63. jefdo says – reply to this


    Re: knowitall
    You call EVERYONE with a different viewpoint than yours names. You haven't been the least bit civil. I've seen plenty of people who have respectfully disagreed with you, yet you still called them names and now you're denying that. I've never targeted you as a gay person so don't accuse me of it. You need to quit seeing things as the left and right, especially since so much of your left voted YES on 8. Fighting hate with hate gets your cause nowhere, look at how the protests have turned into mobs. At one of these protests homosexual activists screamed at a 69 year old woman, spit on her, and broke her cross. They were also yelling the "N" word at all of the African Americans in the area. Actions like this will greatly hurt your cause, you'll escalate things from a marriage dispute to an attack on Christians and African Americans. Once the disagreement grows to that level it will be very hard for you to accomplish your goal, if you can't realize that things won't be getting any easier for you. You said you fight hate with hate, see where that gets you, it certaintly won't gain you any supporters. These homosexual activists are comparing prop 8 to the civil rights movements, yet they're yelling the "N" word at African Americans? How can you see fighting hate with hate as beneficial in any respect?

  64. 364

    First, Perez, you're fat and will be single for life regardless of the marriage situation…second, the courts can decide whatever they want…Prop 8 will always be a fact of life and it won't go away…you might get marriage for a year or two, and it will go away the next time there is a ballot opportunity…your lifestyle/genetic misfortune, whatever you want to call it…will always be a turnoff to the majority of the population…and you cramming it down their throats only hurts your cause and strengthens theirs…maybe you guys should spend less time protesting and more time in school…I don't get the feeling the gay population values education…youre too busy walking around with a chip on your shoulder trying to make people like you…hows that working for you ladies?…GAY MARRIAGE…ITS WRONG…GO PROPOSITION STR8!!!!!!!! WE WON…you pricks LOSE!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

  65. 365

    wooo whooooooooooooooooo! I GET TO MARRY MY BABE NOW!

  66. 366

    Re: je032288 – : So if I'm barren and can't have children at all…I'm not allowed to be married to my boyfriend either? I mean…if marriage is all about "making babies" those who choose to adopt babies instead of having them, or can't have babies at all due to biological issues, or simply choose not to–it should be illegal for them to get married right?

    I think your argument is flawed. YOU idiot.

  67. 367

    Re: Genghis Khan – okay 1) Elbowing into your sacred institution? Don't make me laugh. Everytime I turn my head, you guys are getting divorced left and right. Cheating on each other. And they're looking for civil marriage. They don't want to TOUCH the sanctity of your church.

    and 2) You can't change the definition of a word? Definitions change ALL THE TIME. When was the last time you read a book or picked up a dictionary!?!? why do you think new editions are coming out all the time, and words have up to 15 or more definitions. So happy to see that idiots are on the opposing side of my argument, which is : NO on 8. It tells me we're well on our way to winning the war despite having lost the battle.

  68. 368

    Re: kiana – Hey Kiana, do yours. the forefathers set up the seperation of church and state to work BOTH way:

    1) To prevent Government to interfere with religious practices and insure people weren't prosecuted

    2) To make sure that one singular Church didn't have power over the government. This was done because they were afraid of repeating what had been in going on in England and the rest of Europe for CENTURIES: wars in England between Catholics, Protestants, and Puritans–all vying for power of the state, and wars between England, Spain, Rome, and France and such because of Religous issues.

    God you people are uneducated to levels that astound me!

  69. 369

    Re: jefdo – #364, WELL SAID!!!!! It is so disheartening to read the endless banter, acusatory tone and ridiculous name calling. To quote an "old school" term, "KNOWITALL" needs to act his/her age, not his/her IQ. So lame and obviously uneducated.

  70. 370

    Why all the Mormon hatred? They've don more for this country than gays. You may not like their religion, but they have their rights, too. Typical liberal nonsense. Fairness only applies to them.

  71. 371

    Jefdo,I wont have you defend charles manson for being straight or oj simpson for being straight ,so IM not sure why I have to defend someone who took a militant ladies cross,nobody spit at her,but why would shy go into a rally where people are so clearly upset,she wasnt a sweet old lady like my grandma,thats for sure,she was kind of hateful and militan no matter her age. Secondly nobody has called any black person the n word,its conservatives that call black that , Gay people have been called too many names in a life-time to be so callous.,but do you have the link to support that total lie. Thirdly I guess gay people do not have to answer about name calling when half of the trash in this country are brought up to use words like "fag" in their own homes and when using gay is meant to mean something shitty,so when you give a flying fck about that ,I will respond to your bs with some degree of seriousness.

  72. 372

    Gemini-you seem confused,it was the mormons that poured their money into taking away rights form gays,not-vice-versa, are you saying gay people still need to support businesses owned by people who think they are not worthy of civil rights.wow. thats interesting.

  73. 373

    That's good, Prop H8 was pointless shit!!!

  74. 374

    Re: NotQueerAtAll – Excuse me….but not ALL Californians voted Yes on 8. It was very close - 52 to 48 percent. Only 4 points difference.
    52 percent is hardly a majority. It will get closer and closer as the years go by. Most of The youth of America are more accepting and wise enough to know that all people should be treated equally. It is their hateful, stuck in the mud, ignorant and uptight parents who are teaching them to discriminate. The people who voted YES on 8 are on the wrong side of history and I pray to god that I live to see the time when this is all looked upon as a big mistake and that all people, gay and straight can just live in peace and acceptance. EVeryone deserves the same civil rights. Seperation of church and state is a part of our constitution and WILL be what will determine the outcome of this travesty.

  75. 375

    OmG … so many people saying each other stupid, dumb, dumb ass, silly etc .. I never realised there are so many of those people in the USA, no wonder the economies failing and falling … wake up fast u people, improvement in the economy is much more important than this gayish marriage issue ..

  76. 376

    Re: astroboy – You have your opinion and the majority of Californians have theirs. We believe marriage is between a man and woman; not a man and man, woman and woman, man and dog, etc. It has nothing to do with religion or age, race; it is the belief and what is written in the constitution. Until proven otherwise, the vote is in.

  77. 377

    You act like you're being discriminated against so that you're not able to live, love, do ANYTHING two people can do; it's the contract of marriage you're not able to have (but you CAN have another ceremony to celebrate your union); so you ARE NOT BEING KEPT from LIVING a "NORMAL" life; quit acting like you're being kept in chains!! It's ridiculous and disgusting.

  78. 378

    Re: NotQueerAtAll – Yeah right, it has nothing to do with religion and that's why the Mormom church donated 22 million to Yes on 8. Nothing to do with religion at all. If that's true then why do you supporters always bring up the bible and how it "condemns" gay people? SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. GO READ OUR CONSTITUTION AND SEE HOW PROP. 8 IS A HUGE VIOLATION OF WHAT OUR NATION IS BASED ON. LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS FOR ALL. Time will show that this is all a huge mistake and those who discriminate against Gay and Lesbian people will be looked upon as being on the wrong side of history. It was like that with every other civil rights battle. There were many people who were against them but right will always prevail. God does not judge, nor does he love straight people any more than he does Gay people. We are all human beings trying to make it on this earth. I only wish we could all be treated equally. We mean you no harm. We just want equality.

  79. 379

    Re: knowitall – You are just flat out annoying and a extremely bitter person. What's the matter? Did your boyfriend break up with you?LOL! Oh and by the way I live in Aliso Viejo,Ca. and not Alabama and am quite educated. You poor soul!!

  80. 380

    Re: astroboy – We are all born with a clean slate and God loves all of us the same,however, he favors those who obey his words. Why do you think there are the ten commandments? And yes, he does judge why do you think there will be what is clearly called "the judgement day". He does not want to lose one soul to satan and weeps every time satan wins. I mean you no harm but will not bend on what is so clear and obvious!

  81. 381

    Re: wowreallywut? – Really?! What about the billions of dollars raised by Mormons and "Christians" to deny a group their rights? You'd think THAT money could've been better spent helping the poor (after all, wasn't that the message that Jesus brought-take care of the less fortunate).
    Get a clue…

  82. 382

    Re: tblossom – hahaha…we're also sitting in the WHITE HOUSE in a few more days!

  83. 383

    For all you pieces of shit that apparently have nothing better to do than comment back and forth on Perez Hilton, Prop 8 should have never been on the ballot! I'm not gay and I understand the pain and outrage of letting a bunch of closed minded, judgemental, and pretty much retarded self centered peices of shit vote on something that should just be. It is a human right to be able to marry who you love and for those of you that start ranting about civil unions, no, they are not the same or at least there are several benefits that married couples have that don't aply to civil unions. So all you fucking worthless assholes who reply to this, have a great day on Perez because a lot of you twats seem to be here all day while I will post this and then be on with my way knowing I have more important things to do. Oh, I almost forgot, fuck off cunts because justice will prevail because Bea said so!!!!!

  84. 384

    Re: knowitall – This just proves how stupid you really are. Obviously you don't get "fags should be smoked" name. He has a pic of Obama with a cigarette in his mouth. In England a "fag" is a cigarette. You are truly fucking stupid!!!

  85. 385

    Sooo funny…




    Now quit bitching.

  86. 386

    Wow! I missed this one!! Oh well, another time. Next time I'll find Danser and go back to back against all of you jerks who want to suppress these rights. I still haven't heard one good argument from ANYONE for Prop 8. And props to Danser for pointing out that little "hick-up" in the presidential election between Al Gore and Bush. The vote ISN'T always respected. Not that it matters, this prop was not constitutional in the first place–it's discrimination bottom line. Can't wait to slam the door

  87. Jim H says – reply to this


    OK Perez, I have been patient, but this Prop 8 and gay agenda talk ALL THE TIME has lost me as a customer. I am removing your site from my bookmarks and have no interest in being a member of such a gay web site. A word of advise, your popularity will continue to decline if you don't stop making this all about the Gay agenda. I am only 1 customer, but you are alienating may of your viewers and you will see the drift.

    Also, your web site is becoming very bogged down due to the number of ads on each page. Suggestion: raise the cost and place fewer ads.

    As far as getting information, I will go to X-17 and TMZ, same stuff, with no overt agenda.

  88. kiana says – reply to this


    Re: dulce – Actually dulce you need to read whatever you are referencing clearly. It said both sides meaning those supreme court justices who were for and against prop 8 agreed to it; both sides. Not that both sides meaning those who were for prop 8 and against as in civilians, voters, et al.

  89. 389

    i seriously am wondering WHY THE FUCK DID I EVEN VOTE?! HONESTLY. it was a waste of time for those who voted in favor or against.

  90. kiana says – reply to this


    Re: catsmeow – Yes it's hard getting things changed, traditions, expectations, beliefs both religious and moral. I'm not taking away a right they never had so your statement lacks foundation. They have the right to have a civil union, domestic partnership, heck even common law all of which I have never protested against. I have a right to vote and humbly request that the definition of marriage remain between a man and a woman who can reproduce. If this is passed, they WILL be teaching to our children in school about two Kings marrying each other and how it's just OK. It will happen; look at MA. They did it and they also said that wouldn't happen when they put marriage on the ballot for same sex couples. now they are teaching in schools to our young, most impressionable minds that it's ok to be with someone of the same sex. That I do not agree with and yes I'm a tax payer, a US citizen and I can vote. It's called Woman's suffrage.

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    Re: knowitall – I am not voting for bigotry but find it interesteing that because they don't get their way the immediately fall back on good old faithful. I'm a bigot, prejudiced, hater, etc. It's ridiculous. I don't go around telling people what I think but I can vote when a prop is put on a ballot and support it just like you can. I would hope everyone does with it common decency but by the looks of this site, that is not happening overall.

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    Re: DinaDins13 – Remember, that is both ways so you cannot take the acknowledgement of the Lord out of everything in government. I wil say this for one last time, the mormon members donated their hard earned money, not the church however the church asked for support which they can do in their congregations. Also, if you continue your history studies, they wanted separation of church and government long after it being an issue in England. England, if you remember correctly, had a lot of power during the colonial days. It was our forefathers who included "in god we trust" during these times on numerous government entities. It's people like John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, et al, who said prayers during these meetings. I find it interesting that you are so filled with hate yet I'm upset and I see the line of which should not be crossed which further proves my point. God Bless you and yours…….also happy Thanksgiving.

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    Re: lobsterlover – Well, thank you kindly LobsterLover! I saw but failed to reply to your kudos on another post too. Excuse the oversight, please.

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    Re: ashbert13
    The REAL battle right now is really about whether Prop 8 was a "revision" or an "amendment" to the constitution. We want a "revision" rather than an "amendment" which therefore required the prior approval of 2/3 of each house of the California State Legislature.
    Lawsuits are being filed. THIS REMAINS UNRESOLVED.

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    Re: kiana – I really could care less what the Mormons did with their money. They aren't the issue I'm discussing. The issue I'm pointing to is the fact this shouldn't have been on the ballot in the FIRST place DUE to that separation of Church and State.

    The fact that there is a separation, first of all, doesn't mean that it has to be (though I would argue that is should) be eliminated from ALL aspects of the government: But it DOES argue that no Laws (under the first constitution) can be made based on a religious ideology.

    Now, the constitution has no definition of marriage (that is what you lot are TRYING to impose with this proposition). Therefore, there, civil marriages can be between gay couples.

    With your proposition, you are imposing YOUR religious definition onto a population and government that is NOT supposed to make laws based on Religion.

    So there you go. This breaks the 1st Ammendment, AND the 14th by discriminating against Gender from a civil service.

    I remain by my previous statement: The levels to which the people in this country are uneducated continue to astound me. Europeans know your constitution better than you do. And no I'm no European…but sometimes I wish I were!!!!

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    Re: kiana – AND FURTHERMORE: Long before the ISSUES of ENGLAND?!??!?!?

    Kiana, those issues had been going on SINCE BEFORE THE AMERICAS WERE DISCOVERED.

    Jesus H. Christ you people know shit about history and politics!!! Or political history for that matter!

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    That is really dumb!!! I doubt it will work, they are just trying to appease people to shut them up…

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    Re: Jim H – Oh I will check that X 17 and will browse there for celebs …. Mdm Perez

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    Re: greenghost – Yeah I agree. If they over turn it again we should just stop voting because it does not matter what we vote.

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    Re: HeathersInAZ – it is only fair if it comes out their way.

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