A Few Questions
Filed under: Gay Gay Gay > Politik
Do U believe gays and lesbians should have the same rights, privileges, protections and responsibilities as heterosexuals?
- Maybe (3%)
- No (9%)
- Yes (88%)
Total Votes: 198,104
Loading …As our forefathers did, do U believe in the separation of church and state?
- Maybe (5%)
- No (10%)
- Yes (85%)
Total Votes: 188,989
Loading …Do U believe gays and lesbians should have access to civil (aka non-religious) marriage and all that comes with it?
- Maybe (3%)
- No (10%)
- Yes (87%)
Total Votes: 197,042
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Our fore fathers believed in the separation of church and state so that the state couldn't influence how we practice religion. Not because they didn't want the church influencing government. This country was founded on Christian principles by people escaping religious persecution of Christians.
That being said, I believe everyone should have the same rights. What I don't see is how being gay or lesbian qualifies as a classification protected under minority rights. Heterosexuals aren't a recognized group, like say Latinos, African Americans, etc. Why should we be writing laws based on sexual preferences?
Words have meanings. Marriage is a word that means the legal joining of a man and a woman. Marriage as defined semanticaly is not the joining of a dog and a cat or a brother and a sister or a man and a man. THe word means the joing of a man and a woman.
If your issue is whether homosexuals can be "legally joined", the answer, in many states, is yes but it's called civil union. The word marriage and the cultural context of marriage is very specific and dates back thousands of years. Marriage refers only to the relationship between a man and a woman. THe relationships betwwen homosexual partners, of borthers and sisters, or dogs and cats is something else all together.
sad there's still a few procent out there who think otherwise
can't beat 'em all, I guess
this is what we have been saying all along, and damn perez stuff the numbers much, this post just show up and you already have over 500 votes on your side, not nice
YES, YES, and….. YES!
it shouldnt even have to do with the states……its a personal choice…they make it legal, it ends there. If some people arent happy, then they could just not marry someone of their sex..its as simple as that…As a great man says : cats and dogs cant make a baby, but i could make a baby with whoever I want….WE ARE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE! because we are from the same species..damn it If I could make a baby with a gay man WHICH I CAN, then were the same people…….shoot…..
What the hell are "gay sand lesbians"?
This poll is not very scientific, as the majority of people that come to your site are gay, so it's not a clear representation of all America, or the world for that matter.
I believe in equality for all… but please, lets get back to CELEBRITY GOSSIP… seriously… stop trying to be a celebrity and stop bringing your beliefs to this site… make your own personal website or blog for that…
why don't you worry about the bigger things that are going on like the government taking everyones right away….the gay shit is minor compared to the the fucken new world order….watch zeitgeist addendum or the obama deception …..i wonder why wont you post that shit
I"m afraid to vote. The putz that owns this website might post my email address if I disagree with him/her, or whatever it is. I don't even know why people are fighting for the right to get married. 3/4 of those end up in the divorce and 70% of the 25% that stay married are miserable as hell, and will at sometime be seperated. If i were you, i'd bask in the freedom of being ablel to go to bathhouses and just take it up the keester freely w/out having to lose half of what you worked for. You have no idea how much of an advantage you have right now. I wish the courts told me I couldn't get marriend. Then i could get this broad off my back from giving me ultmatimatus. What a douche.
Yes to all
YES, YES and YES
whats a gay sand lesbian?
Funny that you said that, I strongly considered emailing you regarding that. I am all for gay rights and union, but don't believe it should take place in a church. I'm glad a majority of people seem to believe the same thing I do.
yes, yes, and yes… but I'm Canadian…
I believe in civil union, with all of the same rights that marriage brings. Marriage is between a man and a woman, however I do not agree that the gay and lesbian community should be discriminated against.
I think gay people should get religious marriages to honestly. Saying that because they're gay they cant be and active member in the church and have a wedding in a church! its everygirls dreams but hey i guess thats why i quit going to church because my friends that went to a church his whole life came out that he was gay and it was always obvious and they kicked out.
I will never go to a church that doesnt accept gay people
God loves everyone! Even you homosexuals!!! and so do I!
Re: orange brussel sperout – i kinda agree i been married for 11 years! i am divorcing…i wish i never got married all the damn paper work! and health insurance PFFFTT! doesn't cover shit! doesn't matter right now anyways since both of us got laid off! I don't care if u wanna get married but really it not all its cracked up to be! how about focusing on issues like why the hell hollywood is making such shitty movies lately or whos fukin who?
just saying…….
i still can't believe this is even debatable. humans should have all equal rights, regardless of sexual orientation, race, religion… etc…. it just baffles me why people care what other people want to do with their life, their relationship, their future together and why it bothers them so much. my mother was raised in the bible belt, in fact she is a very religious person and i asked her the other day how she felt a bout gay marriage and even she said they should have the same rights as heterosexuals and should be able to get married. its not all christians who think they're god is above the law. if this country was founded on separation of church and state, then why is it such a religious subject?
perez, don't let it go… america needs a big awakening.
I really appreciate your phrasing of the last question. Truthfully I don't think that "Marriage" should be involved in all of this debate at all. Let's start entering social contracts rather than "Marriage" - unless of course you are a member of a religion with the intent that it last forever. Things like hospital visitation is an issue for heterosexuals too who are not getting married any more. So I think Marriage = Religious Ceremony and Social Contract = civil agreement (you could even have an end date and choice to renew!).
your comment on "civil marriage" is misleading.
her point - which is shared by 85% of america, btw - is that the term "marriage" itself is religious and protected as man and woman. HOWEVER, she also said - and i agree - that gays should have the same exact legal rights.
if anything, why don't we just call any union - man and woman, man and man, woman and woman - as a "civil union", protected by law, and reserve the "marriage" term as religious.
perez, i completely understand where you're coming from, but you've really pissed me off with your handling of this whole issue. the girl was stating what 85% of americans have stated (check all the polls from the last election). she even WENT ABOVE THAT and agreed for equal rights for all. wtf is your problem? seriously, you need to go back and watch what she said, because she was in your corner.
you're an idiot sometimes.
ENOUGH ALREADY YOU'RE A FUCKING CELEB BLOGGER NOT ANYONE IN POLITICS. GET ANOTHER BLOG FOR THIS SHIT. I'M CANADIAN SO MY OPINION IN THIS MEANS NOTHING AND I'M TIRED OF READING THIS SHIT.
PEREZ HILTON WILL CHANGE NOTHING. NO ONE RESPECTS HIM.
Re: glomonkey – damn are you gonna get attacked for that one, lmao
I know many gay people (they are not child molesters) they are just people who are drawn to those of their own sex. Do I understand it NO, but I feel they are born with these feelings and if there is something wrong with them they are NOT TO BLAME it is the manufacturer. Love is love and caring is caring why do WE have to try to define WHO can love each other and why? One thing that does make me chuckle is WHY would they want the legal ramifications involved in divorce when they don't have to deal with it now, but since I am not gay I can't answer that question. Maybe I have led a sheltered life but the gays I have known have all been pretty tremendous people..
i agree 100% with glomonkey!
By putting "As our forefathers" Don't you think that the second question is a little Karl Rove?
I mean I support Gay marriage, but I just thought it took a page right out of Karl Rove's playbook.
Yes to all 3 but I also believe that Miss Ca. has the right to her opinion and you are being childish with all this bullshit.
Yeah, what's a sand lesbian? He he he. Ever heard of proof reading?
There are many different interpretations of separation of church and state. And it's not always how you see it. What about the state not dictating to religions how to define marriage. Marriage began first as a religious rite because Adam and Eve were married.
I believe in civil unions for gay couples, but not for them to use their politics to change my religion and infringe on my beliefs. Because once gay marriage is fully passed, there goes my freedom to believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I can't disagree without getting into some sort of HR or legal trouble. And the state dictated to me what my beliefs are through their laws.
BTW, your poll is going to be skewed due to your readership. The majority of your readers will sympathize with you. They read your blog because of the attraction of who you are. You're starting to take this a little too far. Even people who think she's an idiot think this shouldn't be a big deal.
Re: CandaceMattea – Yes God loves homosexuals. But there are also certain rules and laws he has established for his churches. It is not the place of man to change God. I believe God wants homosexuals to be happy even if that means not abiding by the guidelines and precepts he has ordained. However, there is something to be learned from Greek Mythology about man trying to over throw God. That is why there should be a separation of church and state. Civil unions for homosexuals and religious marriage for religious persons.
I really think the problem is that most people really have no contact with gays growing up and naturally assume prejudices against them because their parents were taught that being gay is a taboo and isn't a good thing. People understand us and if we really want to get legislation passed and get America on our side we need to reach out to the public and inform people about who we are. That we're not bad, morally corrupt people. Once people understand that we're just like them except for a few minor differences they will be able to look past those differences and we can live together in harmony.
I love you… and said YES to all three… but are we not kind of preaching to the choir here? I am blessed to come from a country where we have legal same sex marriage! (The Netherlands) Not the 40% deal that we call marriage here. If I were to marry my partner in the USA … I'd still have to go back to my own country …. … In my humble opinion I think we are going for the brownie… we need to go for the cake…
What am I missing here? Why do we continue to have these discussions? People are people-they are so much more than who they sleep with. Why is there such a focus on "gays can't marry"? People who love, and want to make a permanent commitment to, one another should be able to marry-gay or straight.
Gay marriage should be a right. Against Christian/Biblical teachings yes i do believe that it is…BUT as in this poll seperation of religion and government needs to apply in our country! The Bible is not our Declaration of Independence nor Constitution. Religiously correct or not…all people deserve the same rights.
I voted YES to all of your questions!!
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However, I think that you should stop making this agenda 50% on your blogging and get back to reporting on celebrity gossip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nah, i voted "no" on all - mostly out of protest cause this shit is deeply annoying (yes, but still i come her, i'm hating myself).
Perez, this is NOT how you asked Miss California the question. You did not say "civil marriage", you did no say "same rights and protections". Gay "marriage" and "civil unions" are very different in many people's eyes. If you had asked the question the way you are posing it on your website you might have received a different response. I don't think it's fair you are having people vote on your website on questions that are differently worded than the one you asked. Where some people may agree that homosexual couples, who can't help who they are because that is how they were brought into this world, should have every same right, protection, and responsibility of every other human being in the United States, others might feel that "marriage" is something religious and should only be afforded to the majority of human beings who are born heterosexual. (Part 2 submitted separately)
JuleBoo - you are my brother from another mother. They fruits don't even know it, but you're coming off lovely, when you split, you just split. No, this douche wants to get married, then when his lover goes to the bathhouse and brings something home, the douce, will get a divorce then own half of this site. but the douche however odesn't realize it and only sees the walls in the tunnel and whats at the (end, no pun intended).
Bottom line. She said what she feels, it's a damn shame when you have to go up on live television and give some canned answer to please people. Perez would have been happy if she felt how she did, but got on TV and said 'huraah..for gay marriages'..and what the hell, many states have embraced gay nuptials, just go there and get married..what that hell. what's the problemo here. am i missing something here, or did perez miss a backshot and got his panties in a bunch. Guess waht perez, you putz, most people are against gay marriage including britney. They just won't say it. hell, I hate a lotta people, but put me in front of a camera and guess what, all of a sudden, i love em to death Britney's handlers already got those bases covered…so stop being such a naive putz. And I apologize for speaking my mind. Hopefully, you'll post my email address cuz I hurt you.
(part 2) Also, a constitutional amendment should not be created because then it would make it a civil right therefore enforcing the decision upon EVERYONE and force religious leaders and people who do not share this belief to accept it and perform the ceremonies despite their religious objections. This would NOT be separation of church and state. This would be the state or federal government imposing their laws on religion.
It is something that should stay out of the federal government and be left to the states to decide laws on the matter. Do I feel homosexual couples should have all the rights, protections, responsibilities, of heterosexual couples, YES. Do I believe in separation of church and state, YES. Do I believe in civil unions for gay couples, YES. Like I said you all are born this way and should not be denied the real loving relationships that heterosexual couples get to enjoy and protect. But, marriage and civil union are very different issues for A LOT of people and so I feel that you should not come of as having asked the above questions when you only asked about "gay marriage". Phew!
Re: glomonkey – Maybe it is not what they intended, but the way it is stated the government cannot promote one religion over another, thus the church should not influence the government.
Re: aliquinb – People refuse to preform marriages all the time. You cannot be married in an orthodox catholic church if you aren't catholic. If their denomination does not accept same sex relationships they can refuse to preform the ceremony, but town hall cannot refuse a marriage license.
Re: Chazarazz – ahahaha. NO! i know loads of gays and usually i used to like them not matter what. but there are "characteristics" in their "culture" i cannot stand and cannot accept. the constant talk about sex, the constant whining, the constant woman-bashing. i hardly can remember the time when i read this blog and felt better, but guess you can thank perez that i have now quite a few preoccupies.
I love you Perez, I'm behind you
HELLO! It's the 21st century. It's NOT equal rights for me and people like me. IT'S EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!
Get over it Perez. I know your a super media whore and your just eating all this shit up. But some people just don't like homo's. And not everyone believes in your same homo beliefs. You have a popular web site and you are using it to launch a freaking personal attack on a young woman that stood up not only in front of a live audience, but on national tv, and was put on the spot. She answered honestly. I thought you were all about honesty. And seriously…how many people even give a shit about beauty pagents? If you didn't have all this crap on your site about it, I wouldn't even have knew it was on. Get the fuck over it.
i love reading your site, perez, but this is all getting a bit ridiculous. i don't think there should be any scandal. she was entitled to her own opinion and panicked under pressure. it's difficult to think so quickly, beauty contestant or not, and hell if she knew that some bored people would make a big deal out of this, she probably would have just said, 'no comment'. what was said can't be changed and there's plenty of other conservatives out there that think much worse things than a beauty contestant's answer, so get over it.
as a straight person who believes that science evolution and nature have proven that homosexuality is wrong a flaw and a perversion because man has evolved from the primordial ooze to need a male and a female to create more humans i am tired of homosexuals asking for any kind of right period..i have to obey the law and not burn homosexual peoples houses down and that saddens me but i see nothing wrong with wanting homos out of the military denied marriage denied equal employment denied fair housing kept out of places i go on a regular basis grocery stores movie theaters resturants or any place…gays dont deserve rights they r flawed people with brain disorders and they should b contained in concentration camps and monitored
Perez states: "First, how could this young woman NOT know her audience and judges?" Obviously the Miss America pageant has NOTHING to do with AMERICA, only the judge and the audience. Since several judges and pageant people are gay, an answer against them is suicide. Good for Carrie for speaking from her heart and beliefs instead of pandering to the people who would crown her.
Add another poll. Should Perez apologize to this young lady? YES, because she is entitled to her opinion.
Americans cause more problems for themselves. Why not do like the UK and call it a civil partnership (couples in a civil partnership have all the same rights as heterosexual couples, the same divorce law applies etc) and then you stop the whole debate about what the word marriage means. Simple as that.
You did not ask if I believe in marriage. Now THAT would be an interesting question. More than 1/2 of the marriages in the USA end in either divorce, separation, or some kind of violence. I have been married to the same man for 36 years, and we are the only couple in our circle of friends who is on our first marriage. Add to that children, division of property and money- why in God's name does anyone want to get married. I agree that everyone is equal and should have the right to get married if they wish, but what, exactly, is the benefit to doing so? Most insurances companies recognize domestic partnership in health insurance coverage. Living wills and advanced directives can be drawn naming whomever you wish to control your end of life functions. So, what is the benefit of marriage? A piece of paper should not be your life's goal, and not necessary for you to love your partner as fully and as completely as possible.
gay people dont deserve any rights …i base my beliefs on science nature and evolution ..i am of sound mind and know the bible is a story book and out dated..i vote to deny gay people any rights as often as i can i vote for the candidate who is openly anti gay ..i dont want flaming queers and butch dykes wandering around public places where children r not to mention i dont want to look at homos or over hear their conversations ..homos need to go back to hiding in the closet for fear of being jailed as sex perverts !!
Can atheists get married in church, or is that a no-no?
now there's fucken polls up for this shit……if i answer and it doesn't match your opinion, will i be criticized and persecuted for it??
I IM SO SICK OF GAY PEOPLE THAT THINK THAT THE WHOLE WORLD SHOULD GET THERE ASS HOLES KNOCKED UP.FUCK YOU PEREZ.I RESPECT OTHER COUNTRIES THAT DOES NOT ALLOW GAY MARRIAGE IT IS AGANIST THE LAWS OF NATURE.BUT THEN AGAIN YOU BLUE EYE BLONDS OUT THERE YOUR FOUR FATHERS WERE GAY IM SURE.
I believe "gay sand lesbians" should do anything they want to. Gay Sand Lesbians are hawt with their little bikini tops and such…
"and all that comes with it" means adopting children !!! don't u get it !?
Yes on all three
Re: ZipZap – Thanks ZipZap…as a Catholic I know this fact. This is also because heterosexual marriage has never been made a civil rights issue and is not protected by any constitutional amendment hence religions and churches can do what they want. Now if it is put in the constitution then it becomes a civil rights issue and the churches will be in breach of these civil rights if they choose to not perform these ceremonies. On the other hand, that is why I believe that it can and should happen in town halls. It just should not be a federal or state constitutional issue.
P.S. The Orthodox church and the Catholic church are two different things, and if you are not a baptized and confirmed Catholic you can still get married in the Catholic Church if you were baptized in another Christian church under the Holy Trinity or if you are allowed special dispensation by the Bishop.
Wow Perez THANK YOU for standing up for us. I am a young gay guy 20 years old and my friends are so thankful for you! As you can see from the poll numbers above YOUNGER PEOPLE BELIEVE IN GAY MARRIAGE. It's the old ones who don't and who will soon die off just like there medieval views.
Wow! That poll really proves that A LOT of your readers SUPPORT YOU Perez. I don't know why (those that were opposed) even BOTHER coming to this site. But you know what?, THEY make you RICH! so keep coming to the site HATERS!! HATERS WELCOME!
I am a big fan of equal rights. I am also a big fan of democracy and freedom of speech. Miss California exercised that right, and while it may have not been popular in many communities she still holds the right to her own thoughts and freedoms. President Obama answered the question the same way and was not ridiculed. She should not be penalized because the judges did not agree with her answer. She was honest and true to her beliefs. (And lets be real its not often you hear honesty in a beauty pagent response.)
As far as equal rights are concerned I believe that the gay community should be allow to have the same rights and legality in a civil union and that there should be laws protecting these unions as they do a marriage. However, a marriage is a term to describe a union between man and woman. So I ask why must the gay community (which I do support) have to fight to change the definition of a sacred term instead of fighting for the rights under a different term. I know many people ( alot of them christian) who would vote for equal rights and not vote for a change in the definition of the term marriage. I live in Florida and had the ballot not included the term marriage I would have voted for the gay community on this cause. Just something to think about.
WHO CARES?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! So two people of the same sex want to get married, fantabulous. Yet if a same sex couple gets divorced, what rights do they have? Do these, if any rights/protections vary by state? Should they? What about children? Alimony? What if a privately owned company with a pension plan does not recognize such a union? Again, am I the only one on the planet who thinks about this stuff?
If this does not show something, I don't know what will…. It is obvious that the majority should have a say.
Those pesky sand lesbians… They follow you home from the beach every time!
Re: scullyinlondon –
Amen!!
Come on over to Canada we accept everbody
gay, straight, everybody!!!!!!! what does it matter to me..how does it affect me???? it doesn't so why do we all care??
You ask these loaded questions in a way to get the answers that you want to hear. MANY people opposing gay MARRIAGE still feel that homosexuals SHOULD have equal RIGHTS. That is not the what your asking for. Redefing the definition of marriage AND having equal rights are NOT the same thing. As a born again christian, I believe MARRIAGE is a union under God, it just so happens to be the only legal document that the government recognizes as joining to people together. What homosexuals SHOULD be fighting for is a document, such as a civil union, that allows gays to share in benefits, wills, power of attorney, adoption, etc. Instead of of fighting for gays to MARRY (which again is religious based) They should be fighting for one single document for all (hetero and homo sexuals), with one purpose: to unite any two persons (gay or straight) to share in all the benefits that come with marriage now. Its all about the terminology. Leave the word marriage in the church, have the government create a new document for ALL (and whomever they choose).
Re: glomonkey – "Why should we be writing laws based on sexual prefereces?". I bet before the civil war broke out lots of southerners were saying "Why should black people be included in our constitution?!". And then the North kicked their asses and abolished slavery.
Is there a difference? Hmmmm…….I'm gonna say NO.
Hey Perez,
Just like you don't want to prosecuted for your your thoughts and being gay, you should not prosecute others for having their honest opinions. Miss Cal. is ENTITLED to her opinion! Free speech! Free opinions! I happen to be a staunch supporter of gay marriage and I would not want to be prosecuted for that sentiment and what you are doing IS NOT RIGHT, prosecuting Ms. California in every way manipulative little and big ways you can. How would you feel if someone did that to you because you're gay. She was being honest, that is her opinion, I don't think you should lash out at people who do not share your views. Grow up, you would not want the same thing done to you.
sad there's still a few procent out there who think otherwise
can't beat 'em all, I guess [2]
PEREZ, GET THE EFF OVER ALL THIS SHIT! It is so tiring having to read 5 articles in a row about miss cali and her answer! You asked for her opinion and that is what she gave you, so deal with it and move on!
perez NO ONE CARES SHUT THE FUCK UP. get over yourself and gay marriage. first of all, its never going to happen, second of all if its really THAT important to you, then move to one of the other states that is legal in and get married. SHIT. your so annoying stop shoving your opinion down people's throats.
The problem with civil unions is that they DONT offer the same rights as a marriage. I have no problem if a CHURCH does not want to MARRY a homosexual couple. Whatever. But homosexual couples should be able to MARRY in the courthouse or wherever. In the eyes of the government, there should be no dispute. Equality for all.
Re: SpeakEnglish – I was trying to find the words to say exactly the same thank you so much. This express my ideas. It's a word problem not a righs or obligations thing
PLEASE READ!
I did a little research. The term "marriage" allegedly comes from the word "wedd" which meant that a man would "marry" a woman and then pay the bride's father.The Groom would pay the bride's father so that he could marry her. So basically,females were being bought and sold between the two men that supposedly loved her most- her dad and her future husbands.
So to all those who want the "traditonal" definition of marriage to remain the same, get ready to be "sold" to the highest bidder.
The truth is, as we evolve, so does our language and the meaning behind it. Marriage today is a legal joining of two indivduals. I believe that ANY TWO consenting adults should have the right to be legally joined.
I hope that we are making our voices heard and not just on perezhilton.com. We are the consumers, the masses and we have more power than we realize. There is power in numbers. Stop being apathetic when it comes to politics and make your opinion known.
It's like this… I'm am white, and no matter how hard I try, I can never be black, therefore I can never benefit from Affirmative Action" laws, and I can never be Native American, therefore I can never benefit from laws that specifically benefit and promote them, that's just the way it is, and I live with it because I am proud of who I am, and all that I have done for myself. I'm an individual, and I don't want to have laws made to make others more accepting of me.
For the record, I am straight, not that it matters, and I have gay friends, and do not care what they want to do in their lives, but I do believe that the straight community has had an exclusive hold on the institution of marriage, and should continue to do so. So why can't the gay community just go back to feeling that it was ok to be different, have "your" version of "our" marriage, but call it something else? Make up some fancy colorful new name, or use a simple term that everyone finds agreeable… like "Coupled", or "Joined", but let us straight people have the word "Married"……. Please.
p.s. I am proud that Miss California spoke from her heart and conscience, this world would be a much better place if more people could be like her.
Of course I believe in gays and lesbians rights, but I also think that everybody (even Miss Whatever) have the right to have a different point of vew. At what point her opinion is so important to us? That's the question.
the major problem with the issue of gay marriage is that the two sides are arguing different things. so if we want to make any headway we need to argue the issue the other side is thinking. If you are coming from a supportive position of gay marriage you feel that it is an issue of inequality and prejudice. if you are coming form an unsupportive position of gay marriage you feel that the issue is about changing the definition of marriage not in a religious way but in a social-anthropological way. to play devil's advocate throughout history though gay relationships have existed there has never been a legalized one on one same sex marriage. (on a racist note there have been many interracial marriages).
also take into account that marriage for love is a very modern concept in history. up till very recently marriage was considered a contractual relationship between two families that bind them into a single family. The possibility of biologically conceiving, and then raising children who are descended from both parents is central to the agreement established through the marriage. The child has been throughout history a tangible symbol of the biological union of two kinship groups. so the unsupportive side of the gay marriage question feels that gay Marriage goes against all anthropological president, and feels a civil union sounds like the perfect compromise to them, all the rights without the social redefinition of the word marriage. if you support gay marriage and want to convince someone of your position you need to approach the subject from an anthropological stand point, not an equal rights one, or both sides of the argument end up throwing talking points at one another and don't end up getting anywhere.
These results have obviously been tampered with. She shouldn't have been punished for being a real chick. She isn't bad mouthing him the way he's bad mouthing her. I proud of the way she is gracefully representing Christians. Perez is poorly representing the gay community by bashing her for "staying true to herself". I've never heard anything funnier than celebrities using the Bible as a defense for gay marriage. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17) (Romans 1:24-27) 1Corinthians 6:9) (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). To name a few.
Re: person0la0 – the major problem with the issue of gay marriage is that the two sides are arguing different things. so if we want to make any headway we need to argue the issue the other side is thinking. If you are coming from a supportive position of gay marriage you feel that it is an issue of inequality and prejudice. if you are coming form an unsupportive position of gay marriage you feel that the issue is about changing the definition of marriage not in a religious way but in a social-anthropological way. to play devil's advocate throughout history though gay relationships have existed there has never been a legalized one on one same sex marriage. (on a racist note there have been many interracial marriages).
Marriage should be between two consenting adults, period.
Love is good. We should not try to stifle it.
Re: glomonkey – f no one was being discriminated for sexual preference, then i would agree with you that there would be no reason to be writing laws based on sexual preference. but the problem is, hate crimes specifically against members of the LGBT community happen, and they happen often, along with other types of persecution and discrimination. that means that we *do* need laws to protect the rights of these people.
Dear Perez,
I am a 20 year old music student from Leeds, UK and I would like to express my deepest gratitude for your outspoken and liberal views towards marriage. I am a gay man myself and in the UK we have the opportunity to have civil partnerships. Your site has taken a turn for greater purpose recently, and your bringing this subject into the spotlight has really struck a controversial debate that wasn't discussed enough during the passing of Prop 8.
Marriage is a constitution which a lot of hetrosexuals take for granted, marriage is about love and companionship, marriage is a step in life which people aim for, straight or gay. The divorce rate of hetrosexual marriages is at a peak, denying one same sex marriage is the same as denying hetrosexual marriage the right to divorce and if that were a suggested proposition it would have a landslide loss.
Keep fighting for your cause over there, you KNOW you're not alone and you must receive enough abuse on the matter everyday to think about giving up, but DON'T!! You are now a beacon of hope for gays across the US and even the world. No amount of words can ever express what we as a people owe you now.
Lots of love,
Patrick Keyte x
IT SHOULD NOT BE CALLED A MARRIAGE
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IT SHOULD NOT BE CALLED A MARRIAGE
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Im Canadian , Gays & Lesbians have all the rights that everyone else does.
The US is so behind the times.
Yay Canada !
"Separation of Church and State" is NOT in the Constitution OR the Bill of Rights OR the Declaration of Independence! It is an ideology that has been talked about and referenced in some Supreme Court rulings, but it is NOT LAW.
According to the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."
It doesn't mattter what I believe morally, according to the above, it is a "unalienable right" for any adult to marry (legally) any adult they please.
Where is the ACLU when you need them? Oh right, they are busy filing law suits to insure illegal Mexicans are able to take advantage of everything a CITIZEN has. Welfare, free housing, taboo "profiling", education for their children and now in state college tuition. Ain't America great?
Well this may sound dumb but um, I didnt realize being gay or stright ment you were not longer a united states citizen with EQUAL RIGHTS!!!
If you love someone does that give you the right to marry them? If we would have to redefine "marriage" 15 different times to include each minorities marriage should we?
Anger and name calling won't help get your opinion across, just the opposite.
NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT PEREZ! YOU KNOW WHAT NO ONE LIKES? SOMEONE WHO TRIES TO SHOVE SHIT DOWN PEOPLES THROATS!!!! ALMOST ALL OF MY FRIENDS ARE GAY BUT NONE OF THEM ARE ARROGANT STUPID FUCKS LIKE YOU PEREZ! I KNOW YOU HAVE THESE PEOPLE WRITING FOR YOU AND ALL, BUT IM SURE YOU APPROVE OF IT. JUST STFU FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE IT, MS. CALI HAS A FUCKING RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPINION YOU KNOW! JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. SO STOP ATTACKING HER FOR HER FUCKING BELIEFS!
IT'S ODD FOR SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS GAY MARRIAGES TO SAY THAT,BUT SHIT SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BOOTED FOR THAT, IF THAT WAS THE REASON.
HELLZ YES to all of the above!!!!
im gay and i do not agree with gay marrage, i think your making this whole thing so much bigger than it actually is, not everyone will agree with you and everyone is intitled to their own opinions!
Re: ZipZap –
you're kidding me right? did you read what you wrote?
"Maybe it is not what they intended, but the way it is stated the government cannot promote one religion over another, thus the church should not influence the government."
That means the government can't tell us which religion we have to follow.
Like it or not folks, our country was founded on the freedom of religion (the Pilgrims wanted religious separation from the Church of England which was considered a "state" church) and the Founding Fathers of our country were Christians.
i believe in gay rights but i also respect people that say whats on theyre mind. Miss California say what she had to so I respect her. People have different beliefs
MARRIAGE - CIVIL UNION….WHO THE HELL CARES? THERE SHOULD NOT EVER BE A LAW ON HOW A PERSON SHOULD CONDUCT THERE PERSONAL LIVES! THAT IS A PERSONAL CHOICE! AS STUPID AS I THINK PEOPLE ARE FOR BELIEVING IN THIS CRAP ABOUT 'MARRIAGE BEING BETWEEN ONLY A WOMAN & MAN' IS, HEY - IT'S YOUR RIGHT TO THINK THAT! BUT LET ME SAY THIS….JUST THINK HOW FAR WE HAVE COME IN THIS WORLD….COUNTRY! NOT TOO LONG AGO, WOMEN COULDN'T VOTE OR GO TO WORK IN THE 'WORK ENVIORNMENT'; BLACKS COULDN'T DRINK FROM THE SAME WATER FOUNTAIN AS WHITES & WE'RE BACK TO THIS STUPID SHIT? COME ON PEOPLE! WAKE UP! BEING GAY IS NOT A FASHION STATEMENT & IT'S NOT GOING AWAY ANY TIME SOON. SO GET WITH THE PROGRAM. IF PEOPLE ARE BASING THEIR BELIEF ON WHAT WAS POUNDED INTO THERE HEADS AS KIDS BECAUSE MOMMY & DADDY SAID 'GOD WILL NOT APPROVE', WELL THEN THOSE PEOPLE ARE STUPID. YOU'RE BASING YOUR BELIEF ON SOMETHING NO ONE CAN PROOVE THAT EXISTS, JUST ASSUMPTION. BTW: I'M IN LOVE W/KIEFER SUTHERLAND & AM VERY MUCH A HETEROSEXUAL. UNLESS I MEET MEGAN FOX - I'LL GO LESBO FOR HER ; )
The problem is, you didn't ask about civil unions when you were questioning Miss California, and you didn't ask about gay marriage in your survey. When you say "gay marriage" that means, RELIGIOUS marriage.
Also "separation of church and state" is not and never was in our Constitution–that phrase is in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. What is in our Constitution is the first amendment, which in part states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech…"
In short, this means we have freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.