Miss California, In Her Own Words
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Watch (above) Carrie Prejean's speech at the press conference today where Donald Trump allowed her to keep her title as Miss California.
Thoughts???
Posted: May 12, 2009 at 12:45 pm




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
SHE DESERVES IT AFTER ALL THE BULLSHIT YOU'VE BEEN SPEWING ABOUT HER MARIO …GROW UP, YOU HANDLED IT POORLY NOW STFU.
I am happy for Carrie! People shouldn't ask questions and then get pissed off at the answer! Donald Trump was correct - Pres. Obama and a MAJORITY of Californians felt the same as Carrie - and Obama is praised like a God in Hollywood for having the same opinion. How can you pick and choose to blacklist??
Oh god perez GET OVER IT
It's her belief's and although i'm not homophobic you can't change the way people think or feel. Half of friggin' america thinks that way, you're not all gonna put them on your gossip site are you?
She answered honestly, and even if you disagree respect her for it.
I think she has every right to say what she did and she should be proud that she stood up for herself!
PEREZ - YOU GOT BURNED AND LIKE MANY OF US SAID, YOU SET BACK THE gay agenda A FEW YEARS. MUCH OF WHAT YOU BLASTED HER FOR HAS BEEN PROVEN false.
ridiculous. so every girl before with photos looses her title but she doesn't?
i'm so tired of hearing about this.
Haha! Up yours Perez. I bet you're some where in a fetal position over this one. Your hate campaign didn't work! Hate is NEVER the answer and YOU of all people should know that.
fk them both
Doh!!!! You just got slam dunked Perez. Your hate mongering did nothing but elevate this girl and win her some sympathy. Your foolish attempt to garner a civil right for gays by trying to villainze another individual for excercising her own civil right by whipping up a maelstrom of hate and hypocrisy won this girl her right to represent Cali. You lose.
"THOUGHTS?"-Mario,you got schooled by the Donald, Bitch!
Perez, you are the one giving her the attention she does not deserve. Throughout all this i have gained more respect for her than i have for you. Isn't it nice to attack someone who cannot properly defend herself. Wish she had a blog and the Miss USA gave her permission to call you names online.
PS: when you are invited next year, please do not show up.
I hope you are happy Perez… All you have done is make this girl FAMOUS! Congrats I'm sure she Thanks you everyday! I bet she is the next Vanessa Williams! Way To GO! Maybe you are getting a cut from Donald!?!
"i was asked a question…….. with a hidden personal agenda" BAM total diss to perez. even more of a reason why she is rather lame. she had me until that. i don't like her.
Perez we cannot be assholes about to people who do not share the same views that we do, instead we need to talk to people and about why this is a civil rights issue. Example when the African Americans in California voted to ban gay marriage, they did you and a lot of the mainstream gay activist alienated them with your fucked up comments and running around telling everybody that they need to think like you! It doesn't work!
What do you know??? We are allowed to have free speech in America. Good job Mr. Trump!! Now let's work on getting decent judges for the next pageant!!
MOOO! Stupid Heffer
JUST LEAVE HER THE FUCK ALONE!!!
She was well spoken and ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! Now, do you not feel like an idiot Perez? Learn how to speak to people and of people and ALWAYS get your facts straight…just because someone is not in agreement with you, does not mean they are wrong! You can disgust me sometimes Perez. She never said a thing about you yet you berated her. Be ashamed of yourself for once! Shame! Thank GOD she is still Miss California!! We all can rejoice now! MARRIAGE = between a MAN and a WOMAN! =)
Trump said, "SHE SAID NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT OBAMA SAID."
A MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. Sorry squirrel, you lose!
No one cares if homosexuals live and love together. Just call it something different than MARRIAGE. Get your own word so our children are not confused.
I would say I was GAY today that you made a fool of yourself, but today that would mean I wanted to roll around with the SAME SEX. Develope your own HOMO LINGO.
While I might not agree with what she said I do think she has the RIGHT to say it.
And I think Perez has been behaving like a bully using this blog and all the other media he has available to him to poison the well about this young lady.
I went back and check prior statements and Obama has said the same thing. Why didnt Perez mount a hate campaign towards him????
C'mon Perez get back to the things you do so well stirring up shit on the silly media stars and leave Miss California's 1st Admendment rights alone…
always a fan
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH YOU FAT ASS!!!!
that is the biggest crock of SHITZNIT I have ever heard!! THEY SHOULD TAKEN HER CROWN!! She turn a question of same marriage and gave her personal religious views!! And not to mention the pretty pink panties!!! LMAO
Dumb Bitch..ur tears mean nothing my rights mean everything so fuck you.
Who cares. Get over yourself. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. She doesn't like gays. It's her choice. But you're being an F'n fascist trying to tear down people with contrarian opinions to your own.
Support…support….OMG Girl. What a joke. All the gays out there need to be aware of what is going on here. This ill informed, mean spirited individual who is wrapped in a pretty-ish package is exactly the type who will back stabb anyone different than her.
It's not about the opinion..it is about the crown, and her crown should be taken away.
Mario is a fucktard….Yer Fired!!!!!!!!!
Not everyone has to be,lieve in everything you believe in…
OMG! I love it………….you did not quite ruin her life the way you set out to did you? Love it. Also, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the way the guy on Headline News dissed you on TV. My husband and I are always saying that it is too bad that you always resort to name calling and just being a total ass-hole, which is a shame because we think you maybe could do GOOD things if you weren't so IMMATURE, and such a child oh yeah and an obvious pediophile! Fuck off, Perez!
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I agree with same sex marriage, however, I admire this speech and how strong she has been. Your actions… Perez, were ridiculous and unprofessional. You should not have been aloud to carry our your petty little hate attack. Get over yourself, not everyone is going to agree with you all the time. It is how the world works. Your a bully and a scumbag.
Silent? Shes been anything but…
She'll make someone a great trophy wife someday.
Farewell Miss Preachy!!
she is a new adolf hitler.
This is one hate filled 'christian' nation…. christians are really evil devils— hypocrites at best!
Perez was completely disrespectful on HLN today. Although I agree with his views on gay marriage…I certainly don't agree with his disrespectful and angry attitude towards Carrie and Mike Gelanas. Perez NEEDS to realize that EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinions and IT'S OKAY to disagree. It's NOT OKAY to trash someone just because you don't agree with their views! I think Perez is a BIG BABY who only gets angry when he doesn't get his own way. GROW UP PEREZ! YOU are a disgrace to the gay community.
I personally do not care about her personal beliefs. What I care about is that you're a woman that represents and entire state of diversity.
For Mr. Trump to insult Kloe Kardashian about her DUI on national TV, but turn around, not once, but TWICE, excuse a woman representing a state in our country for her nudity and misconduct against her conditions to owning the crown, is hypocritical and making him (in my opinion) look less credible as a person of influence.
Especially when it comes to judging people and their circumstances. I would not have cared personally if he didn't condemn Kloe like he did on his TV show nationally for her DUI. It shows to me that he has a horrible double standard when it comes to judging a person's character.
If Ms. California is breaching her contract, then she should be fired. She is disagreeing to work under the conditions she has agreed to voluntarily. As for as the nudity issue, you may as well accept a Playboy or Hustler model to be the Ms. California or whatever else if you are going to accept TWO state pageant winners to keep a crown after posing for nude shots.
Your best bet would be to stop posting about this at this point. You're the one who came out the fool….drop it, learn to be more tolerant of others in the future, and move on.
Perez give it up man go get a sandwich , leave her alone enough is enough
I think a lot less of California now.
UP YOURS, PEREZ!!
Re: PrettiiLilly –
Please get a life.
Thanks
I agree with her. Perez is just trying to self promote and be hateful!! Eff U Perez. Although I don't agree with her opinion on gay marriage it's hers and not mine.
wtf does "empowerment of women" have to do with it? give me a fucking break- plastic boobed with an IQ of 90, maybe, and she thinks she represents female empowerment. she is disgusting. speaking 35 words does not represent an "articulate" response, and believing everything that mommy and daddy and the church taught you, word for word, does not make you "strong" and "confident," it makes you pathetic, weak, a blind follower. stupid bitch. i hope you get skin cancer from the tanning salon.
Where do I start?
Honey no one is saying that you were wrong for expressing your beliefs, but I know that if I was on that stage COMPETING and a Gay judge asked me that question, I would of lied, yes i said it people I WOULD OF LIED even if I did not agree with gays. The question wasn't even what she believed in! hER ANSWER SHOULD OF INVOLVED WORDS OF EQUALITY AND UNITY! I hope this is a lesson to all pageant girls, listen to the question, even ask twice before you answer so this doesn't happen to you!
How is asking for her opinion on gay marriage hateful?? Perez didn't create the firestorm. Her answer did.
I LOVE HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can someone please escort this woman from the public stage? Never has a pretty blonde been quite this tiresome. Can we please move on?
I AM SOOOOOOO HEATED!!!!!!! SHE IS SOOOO IGNORANT I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT HER ASS WILL GET TO KEEP THE CROWN IT IS HORRIBLE MANAGMENT OF HER SHE BROKE HER CONTRACT!!!!!! WHEN YOU BREAK A CONTRACT THERE ARE REPRECUTIONS!!! SHE HAD THIS HANDED TO HER ON A SILVER PLATTER JUST LIKE HER LIFE WAS!!!! SHE WILL ONE DAY SEE SHE IS NOT THE "BEST CHRISTIAN" WHEN YOU HAVE FAKE COLOR HAIR BREAST IMPLANTS IN GOD WORD YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO ALTER HIS WORK AND AS YOU CAN SEE SHE DONE HER FARE SHARE!!!
shut the fuck up blond twat!! me me me me me cristian me! shut up! you're from california not Kentucky you weirdo. go make a porn video and die
It is not even about what she believes. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The problem with her answer is that IT WAS STUPID, she could have said it better AND it was disrespectful . Miss Cali of Miss USA shouldnt be posing in the nudie. If I were from California I wouldnt want her to represent my state. She should be classy, intelligent, and graceful. all the qualities she lacks.
Re: Virginia Love – NO I BELIEVE IT'S PEREZ ~ WITH ALL THE FILTH AND HATRED THAT HE SPEWS
u go girl… woohoo.
I couldn't watch the whole thing. Hidden personal agenda? Why, because you're gay? What if one of the other judges had asked? Would there have been as big of deal made? Lame. This is a relevant issue today, not some trick question!
Mr Hilton
Hey shes a lovely woman, she said what she believes — why cant you tolerate her views?
You some kind of bigot?
shooby
HURRAY FOR DONALD .. HE IS SO MUCH MILLION TIMES MORE A MAN THAN YOU …
shut up now weasel about this girl……enough is enough. You owe her an apology for voicing her opinion.
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PEREZ YOU ARE THE ONLY IDIOT IN THIS MESS.WAY TO GO CARRIE…IF CALIFORNIA WANTS GAY MARRIGE GET OUT AND VOTE,HOWEVER 70 % OF AMERICANS DON,T WANT IT.
I think Perez might be a gay
holy sh*t she is an idiot!
and retard.
I like what she said about society being a better place if more people agreed to disagree. I'm glad she's keeping her crown. She was right about Perez having a hidden agenda in that question, and now the whole thing has blown up in his face.
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion, and freedom of speech, yes? And that's all shes doing. She;s standing up for herself. However Perez Hilton is doing the same he is expressing his opnion not on Carrie Preejan personally but based on her beleifs which offend millions of people out there including me. What Perez is doing is a lot more courageous than what she is doing he's fighting for the rights of milliosn where as she is crusaiding to fight for her personal beleifs which conflict with many peoples harmless lifestyles. If marriage is so holy then it should not just be resrticted from gay people but from ahteists. Why should people who don't even beleive in God be allowed to marry eachother? I mean there's a woman married to the Berlin Wall how ridiculous is that yet 2 gay people who are in love can't celebate thier love that's just pathetic. Everyone has the right to be themselves on the condition that it doesn't harm anyone else and bieng gay doesn't harm anyone. If were going to be biblically correct then lets live in a christian society, lets stone people like they used too, lets ban aboritons and other legalized acts which conflict with the bible and we can sit back and watch society crumble. I'm glad i live in the UK cause America has a long way to go.
I, by no means, agree with Carrie Preejan's views and beliefs, but I think she was well spoken in this press conference. She has every right to stand by her beliefs. It is a FREE country. Everyone is free to express themselves whether we agree or not.
i agree with you Perez, regardless of her answer during the pageant. She broke a contractual agreement to which she should MOST DEFINITELY reap the repercussions.
A NUDITY-POSING Christian role model? I never thought I'd see the day.
Hooray for Miss California!
Your such a prick with all the hateful things that spew out of your face. Nobody needs to agree with you, moron.
You're a fucking whore, Perez.
Eat shit, you fat loser. Your people will never get their equal rights if you are their spokesperson. Do you believe in free speech, you piece of shit? Go overseas and meet some of the honest men and women fighting for your right to say what you wish; I hope you feel ashamed after seeing people who fight for the rights that you wish to stifle.
Eat shit, fucking Perez.
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Stop hating (straight) women, Perezito.
FIRED FIRED FIRED…she clearly disregarded her contract. she can believe in whatever but when you're representing a state, you need learn how to respect others view, even if they are not your own, because you are an ambassador. Personally, she can go f*ck herself. With her ideas of using her moral beliefs as a barometer for legal and state affairs is completely OUT OF LINE. Not everyone in America is a christian, some are buddhists, some follow the Koran, some are agnostic, some are Jewish. We're all made up of different beliefs; that's why this country was founded. I don't give a shit if she goes on tour as Carrie Prejean to preach the gospel, but she has a title to uphold that designates her as a representative of the STATE of CALIFORNIA, not of the Christian Coalition. I'm so disgusted with Trump and the whole pageant thing. But I guess when you "own" the pageant, you can do whatever the f*ck you please without regard to the big picture.
Hey Perez, it reflects poorly upon you when you resort to name-calling and attacking someone else's intelligence simply because they disagree with you. So please listen and read this post…PLEASE!
Although you disagree with Ms. Prejean, you could much better support your cause and further the overall better understanding of your position if you would simply stick to the facts and outline what YOU believe in and why that's a good thing!
Although, Ms. Prejean may in fact be a Dumb Bitch or Ignorant, it does not help you in anyway to resort to kindergarten tactics and start name-calling. Be an adult and approach the debate in a much more dignified manner by sticking to the facts, outlining why you believe gay marriage should be legal, and that the U.S. is about FREEDOM of CHOICE. If you detail all the POSITIVE aspects of a happy marriage between two people, regardless of their gender, then WOW, you might be able to change some minds.
Instead, you are too busy yelling and degrading Ms. Prejean for her position and through all that noisy name-calling, you're losing your very IMPORTANT point in all the chaos. Think about it. Thank you!
She's a shame. And she's a fool
Well then the contracts are completely fucking useless now. Why not tear up all the contestant's contracts and allow ANYONE to enter the pageant? Why not let hookers and strippers in then - if Trump is going to bend for this Bible thumping hypocrite then he'd better be prepared to apologize to the other girls he's let go in the past…they took naughty photos too…why turn around and let this bitch stay? Disgusting. I always liked Trump, but he's been an ass more than once and I'm just shocked at his audacity.
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WHILE I REMAIN SILENT LMFAO WTF EVER SHE IS THE BIGGEST LIAR I HAVE EVER SEEN I DONT SEE HHOW PEOPLE DONT SEE THAT!!! I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GLAD I AM NOT FROM CA!!!!! CA SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!!
Mr Hilton,
As I said, why can't you accept her views, what are you some kind of biggot?
shooby
i love love LOVE you perez, but i do agree with her. i don't agree with her stance on marriage, but i do respect her opinion and i think others should as well.
Well said….
people should be allowed to hold their own beliefs and speak their own truths without being so hatefully attacked.
And im disappointed in donald trump
Re: katherineash54 –
Just like Obozo can't talk without his teleprompter.
Everyo
Sorry I'm not buying it but God Bless her grandfather!
shes so full of shit!!! her grandfather fought so that she could publically hate on gay ppl
Lesson of the day; You can't change people's beliefs by brute force bully tactics. Perez, you did to her what people have been doing to gays for years, you attacked her for who she was.
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I think everyone condemning this girl should go back and listen again to her original response to Judge #8. Listen carefully, and you just might be surprised how much of this has been blown out of proportion.
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Perez, you can now move on from this witch hunt. If your goal was to make an ass of yourself on a global scale, you've accomplished that. Bravo!
This is what she thinks…she has a right to think that way. Half of America thinks this way. Leave her alone for real…your only making ppl think you have a problem by making this your life to distroy her. GOD LOVES EVERYONE..He loves gays, he loves us all. We are not to judge each other but love each other…STOP it PEREZ!!!!
Judge #8, how much ice cream and pie have you downed since you got served by Carrie? LOLZ you suck and are a petty dickhead!!
YOU KNOW, I FOUND MYSELF AGREEING WITH RUSH LIMPBALLS TODAY, AND THAT AIN'T RIGHT! THE WAY YOU WENT AFTER MISS BATHING SUIT BEAUTY PAGEANT WAS ABSOLUTELY BOTTOM DRAWER AND MYSOGYNSTIC.
TRYING TO TEAR SOMEONE ELSE'S TIARA FROM THEIR HEAD IS SO DRAG QUEEN.
YOU'VE RUINED YOUR OWN AGENDA…….
Wow, here is a CRAZY concept!!!! Although there is absolutely free speech, and Carrie Prejean has EVERY RIGHT to say whatever she wants, her whole about "this shouldn't happen in the U.S."??? What the FUCK is she and Bill O'Ryley and all those D-Bags talking about? Is there somewhere in the constitution where it says people have free speech as well as absolutely no consequence or criticism??? I really am STRUGGLING to comprehend how people don't see this, IT GOES BOTH WAYS!!!! That is the TRUE beauty of the U.S., she has a right to think gays will burn in hell, and the other side has the right to say shes a dumb bitch! That is what her grandfather fought for
She lies really well for a "Christian". But then again, christianity is all about lies….
And Donald 2-Faced is all about making money, and this controversy is making him LOTS of money over this attention-whore lying slut.
I may not neccessarily support her positions, but the day you called her a c–t was the day YOU lost regardless if she ket her crown or not. Have some pride Perez and let this go. Show that you can be a better person than those you seek to shame. Please walk away from this.
Awwww, you made her cry.
AGREE TO DISAGREE!!!! She has been harpooned over the past few weeks, predominantly by one person in particular. Really, I hate her and think she's a horrible role model, but she made an excellent point. This really did get out of hand.
the funniest part of the entire speech was when she was talking about the new topless photos that were leaked today which were "taken on a windy day in between shots" and "not to her knowledge." hahahahahhahahaha. she's looking directly at the camera. who does she think she's fooling?
oh yes she truly is a regular joan of arc. a warrior for christ, a martyr to protect marriage. haaaaaa. just kidding. what I would like to know is how is "opposite sex marriage" being threatened exactly? being straight and married and having gay friends who are married also or in serious relationships…I don't get how their relationships impact mine negativly. they don't actually. and I think it's quite the opposite. I am happy when other people are in loving relationships and want to be a family with someone else. it's a win win as far as I can see.
i think miss carrie prejean california is a stupid bimbo media whore.
seriously, i'd stop posting anything on this girl… you gave her her voice. it's time to silence it.
Hahahahahah! She kept her crown!! That must have pissed you off!! Go CARRIE!!!!!
She said it, agree to disagree. So she should practice what she preaches. She is ACTIVELY supporting a hate group that is trying to keep rights away from a group of people. What is to her if gay people get married. Does it hurt her? That is not simply just agreeing to disagree, she is not fighting to keep rights she might lose, she is fighting to HURT others. I was disgusted how she said she was punished? She is so presumptuous to assume she lost because of her answer on gay marriage, Miss NC is a better choice, Miss CA fumbled and answered in a shi##y way (and her answer was shi##y too.
Trump should have snatched her crown and kicked her a$$ out the door.
She is a fake, brainless bimbo and i hope this is the last I see of her.
Perez, you could learn something from her. She may not share the same beliefs as you but so what?! A lot of people believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. You started this war against her and she handled it with class. She took the high road and came out looking like the better person. Instead of lashing out at her you should have taken the opportunity to teach her about what it means to be gay and how equality would change your life.
I didn't realize she'd won a fucking Oscar.
She should still be dethroned. More nekkid pictures say so.
They aren't going to be able to stop her now.
Jesus Christ.
Hurting your frail ego is the only reason you want her gone
To bad that isn't a rule
She is completely right about everyone having a right to exercise their freedoms. The more you try to hinder someone's ability to speak their mind, the more power you give those words.
Every person is able to hold their beliefs and opinions, as well as express them. Whether you agree with them or not.
And what about RHODE ISLAND? She has topless photos out too–where are you on that one? You ignore that because she didn't say she agrees you should be able to get married. It is ignorant of you to believe you should be free to marry who you want but she should not be free to to hold an opposing opinion.
she's an idiot, liar
wtf is she bringing up the administration and her grandfather!~? what freedoms were taken away!?!?! wtf?!!?!