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The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has lifted the ban denying sexually active gays and lesbians the right to serve as ministers!!!

Bravo!!!!

The ban had previously prohibited members of the gay and lesbian community who were not celibate from becoming ministers for the church, but now gays and lesbians in "committed relationships" may be hired by ELCA congregations as ministers!

An impressive 68% of the 1,000 members of ECLA's national assembly agreed to lift the ban in a vote taken on Friday.

Although many members of the clergy are troubled by the ECLA's decision, the fight for equal rights in the clergy overruled the naysayers' beliefs.

Said Rev. Leslie Williamson of the Trinity Lutheran Church in Des Plains, Ill: ”I have seen these same-gender relationships function in the same way as heterosexual relationships — bringing joy and blessings as well as trials and hardships. 'The same-gender couples I know live in love and faithfulness and are called to proclaim the word of God as are all of us.”

This is one giant step in the right direction!

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  1. 101

    Re: Aussieone
    Génesis 19:1-29 (Sodom)
    2. Levítico 18:22
    3. Levítico 20:13
    4. Deuteronomio 23:17-18
    5. 1 Reyes 14:24
    6. 1 Reyes 15:12
    7. 1 Reyes 22:46
    8. Jueces 19:22
    9. 2 Reyes 23:7
    10. Romanos 1:24-27
    11. 1 Corintios 6:9-11
    12. 1 Timoteo 1:8-10
    13. 2 Pedro 2:6
    14. Judas 1:7
    15. Éxodo 20:14

    Génesis 1:27-28



  2. 102

    Re: perezito_is_an_asshole
    Jimmy Creech, senior pastor of the First United Methodist Church, in Omaha, Nebraska who has concluded that: "…there was no understanding of sexual orientation in the culture and time when scripture was written. There was not even a word for 'homosexuality' or 'homosexual' in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, the original languages of scripture. There are biblical references that condemn same-sex sexual behavior, but they are all within contexts related to violence, idolatry, promiscuity and exploitation.
    *
    Careful reading within the historical setting reveals that it is the violence, idolatry, promiscuity and exploitation that is condemned, not the same-sex sexual behavior.
    *
    The same condemnation is given to opposite-sex sexual behavior that is violent, idolatrous, promiscuous and exploitative."
    *



  3. 103

    Re: perezito_is_an_asshole
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    I cant stand you!!! Youre one ugly disgrace of a human being! I am not religious I have only read the bible to try to understand why people would turn their back on their own kids just because the love someone of the same sex!



  4. 104

    And if you read the Bible, it says this very thing will happen. Yet these "religious" people are blind to what they are doing to further things a long. sad.

    To those of you that claim it's a "Good thing" you've been blinded to the truth as well.



  5. 105

    16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,



  6. 106

    Re: Aussieone

    You are spreading lies. The Bible also takes about those that misinterpret the bible to justify their evil doings.

    Funny you guys never read those parts.



  7. 107

    Re: perezito_is_an_asshole – Aussie one just got pwnt.



  8. 108

    Re: KevinK
    see my post 73

    YOU WROTE: "Romans 1:26-27"
    Romans 1:26-27 speaks only of heterosexual people who act 'contrary to their nature.'
    *
    Reading into the text what Paul did not say (a universal prohibition of homosexuality) is called eisogesis - wrongly interpreting the text. That kind of faulty interpretation is unworthy of Christians who love the word of God.
    *
    Let see who is lying you or me ?
    *
    The word "homosexual" was first used in the very late in 19th century CE. There was no Hebrew word that meant "homosexual." Thus, whenever the word is seen in an English translation of the Bible, one should be wary that the translators might be inserting their own prejudices into the text.
    *
    There was not even a word for 'homosexuality' or 'homosexual' in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, the original languages of scripture.
    *
    So whos lying you or me ? When there was no word for it !!



  9. 109

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
    *
    1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1: 9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
    *
    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
    *
    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24.
    *
    The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
    *
    4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations.
    *
    A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
    *



  10. 110

    5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death.
    *
    Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
    *
    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
    *
    7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
    *
    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27.
    How should they die?
    *
    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
    *
    10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?
    *
    Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.> 20:14)? I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
    *



  11. 111

    Dont you see you are making people victims of your hate and/or fear ?
    *
    People are who they are! Your country has a messed up record with all this stuff.
    *
    You guys used to think that Black people could be traded and sold and that were they to marry it would cheapen Marriage!
    *
    Now Black folk can marry in those verry same churchs that thought and preached those stupid thoughts ! Get with the times Live and Let… Live!



  12. 112

    God loves everyone….



  13. 113

    BRAVOOOOOOO!



  14. 114

    That is really a beautiful quote! And it is coming from a major religious organization!! Very surprising…but a fantastic step in an awesome direction!



  15. 115

    Another step towards equality!!

    Bravo!! Congrats!!



  16. 116

    This is more like it!, now people can't criticize Christians for being homophobic.



  17. 117

    Eh, so? The Episcopalians did it a long time ago.



  18. 118

    About time someone smartened up!



  19. 119

    Jesus is Love!



  20. 120

    Re: jaycie – Get a life! Being Gay is NOT a choice! When will you people learn?



  21. 121

    Thanks, ELCA!



  22. 122

    Re: Aussieone – HAHAHAHAHA that post got me giggling for quite a while!! Like you, I don't believe in religion. I think the bible is old and outdated (like you wittily proved with those questions), and I think it's convenient and a contradiction when religion says that X writings in the bible still apply today, but X others don't.
    What I find funniest is how religious people spend their lives doing what they think they should in order to please a god. I choose to live my life in peace, harmony, with love and respect to all other human beings and living things, having safe fun and being aware of possible consequences (in this life). The only difference is, I do all of this for ME; because it brings me joy and this is what I choose.
    Anyway… thanks for the giggles. :)



  23. 123

    Re: lau115ren – "see you in hell, bitch"

    And how does this, your opinion, not "make the world an awful, negative place"?



  24. 124

    So great!!!!!! !!!! :D



  25. 125

    oh and all the verses that are used against homosexuals describe "lust" for one another…the majority of them at least. I'm sorry….Lust is what I believe God wants us to stray away from…but love…he wants us to embrace it. Way to go ELCA about time the Church embraces Jesus' strongest message.



  26. 126

    While I comply with the belief that gays should be able to get married in a church by the power of the state/nation, I do not believe that a minister of God should practice homosexuality when the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. Yes, all sins are equal in God's eyes and hell yes, we are all sinners. But I find it uncomfortable knowing that the man or woman preaching to me on Sunday mornings is knowingly going against God's word. I believe that we should all be open-minded and loving towards anyone and everyone. It's not my place to judge but to accept but everyone is entitled to an opinion and the right to voice it. Decisions like this have to be made and not every outcome is going to be satisfying. It's life.



  27. 127

    ABSOLUTELY SICK. WHATS NEXT—-ORDINATION OF ROBBERS RAPISTS, MOLESTERS AND MURDERERS? THE BIBLE IS VERY CLEAR ON THIS MATTER–HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR IS ABOMINATION. THEY ARE FALSE TEACHERS, LYING ABOUT GODS WORD, WHAT A SHAME



  28. 128

    Yay! Another step on the long road to equality.



  29. 129

    Re: h8terboi
    WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER ABOMINATION THAT IN IN THE BIBLE??? THAT IS ALSO VERY CLEAR ON THIS MATTER. YOU PEOPLE NEVER TALK ABOUT THEM.
    YOU ARE THE FALSE TEACHERS, LYING ABOUT GODS WORD, NOW THAT IS A SHAME.
    There have been many discoveries proving that many parts of the bible are true and many parts of the bible are false. A study of the History and Nature of Science has proved the Bible to have some serious historical inaccuracies. Many people believe the Bible is just a collection of poems, sacred books, mythical stories, legends and facts of history. The bible was written by man, and the stories in it chosen by man and has been translated and passed down and changed so many times that I ask myself, can you trust this "holy book" and the churches behind it? If you’re a bible thumper then it’s pretty difficult to argue with this fact.



  30. 130

    There have been many discoveries proving that many parts of the bible are true and many parts of the bible are false. A study of the History and Nature of Science has proved the Bible to have some serious historical inaccuracies. Many people believe the Bible is just a collection of poems, sacred books, mythical stories, legends and facts of history. The bible was written by man, and the stories in it chosen by man and has been translated and passed down and changed so many times that I ask myself, can you trust this "holy book" and the churches behind it? If you’re a bible thumper then it’s pretty difficult to argue with this fact.

    The gay community didn't suddenly appear, it’s been here since the beginning. Get used to it. People were getting married before the bible and the church, yet no one dares to remember that. So quit letting the bible cloud your judgment on others. Just because they're different than you, doesn't mean they're not people. They deserve the same rights. Homosexuality is a completely natural process. Almost all mammals have been known to practice homosexuality; many studies have proven this fact. That's it. God, the bible and people’s rhetoric have nothing to do with it. People are taking the bible way too literally.



  31. 131

    Gays go threw a large amount of hate in their lifetimes because of their sexuality. Gay people’s right to marriage is a sign of equality along with all the benefits of married couples. It’s the fact that they feel their relationships aren't equal that makes gay people fight for marital rights. There are countries that recognized civil same-sex marriages such as Canada, Belgium, Netherlands, and Spain. Even South Africa and Argentina have legal recognition of same-sex partnerships. Are these countries in trouble of some sort because they legalized? No!! Dividing people is not going to help this state or country. We are not talking about religious beliefs here. We are talking about a Law Democracy. Isn't it about time to make this gay issue none existent.



  32. 132

    Re: WeAreTheWorld – JUST BECAUSE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION COMMITS A CERTAIN SIN ON A REGULAR BASIS DOESNT MEAN WE SHOULD THEN ACCEPT THE SIN. IF 10% OF THE POPULATION WENT OUT AND COMMITED MURDER WOULD THAT MAKE MURDER OK ALL OF THE SUDDEN? BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE SCREW ANIMALS SHOULD WE THEN LEGALIZE MAN-SHEEP MARRIAGE? IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE COMMIT THOSE VILE ACTS OR HOW MANY "APPROVE" OF THAT SICK BEHAVIOR, IT IS STILL SICK BEHAVIOR



  33. 133

    Re: WeAreTheWorld – " Isn't it about time to make this gay issue none existent. " YES IT IS, WE SHOULD CRIMIANLIZE HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR SO IT ISNT CONSTANTLY IN OUR FACES AND IN THE FACES OF DECENT PEOPLES CHILDREN



  34. 134

    MAKING GAYS MINISTERS IS LIKE MAKING ROBBERS/RAPISTS/MURDERERS INTO POLICE OFFICERS. IT IS TOTALLY TWISTED AND WRONG



  35. 135

    Re: h8terboi
    *
    You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall in any wise rebuke your neighbor, and not suffer sin on him.
    *
    Whats you name again ? what do you spend all day on here doing ?
    *
    Matt 7:2-5 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly with honesty and justice, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other ignoble means, our judgment will reflect it and judging with fairness and compassion will garner likewise in His judgment of us]. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye [point out his sins, "minor" in Jesus' example here] and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye [our own sins, even and especially those we will not admit, magnified by our selective blindness]? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' [tell him of his "minor" sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about or think we are above]? You hypocrite*



  36. 136

    Re: h8terboi
    AGAIN I ASK YOU, "WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER ABOMINATION THAT IN IN THE BIBLE??? THAT IS ALSO VERY CLEAR ON THIS MATTER. YOU PEOPLE NEVER TALK ABOUT THEM." WHY??? BECAUSE YOU ARE A FALSE TEACHERS AND LYING ABOUT GODS WORD…



  37. 137

    Re: h8terboi
    #128
    You should know that plenty of clergy are already "robbers, rapists,
    molesters and murderers".
    Read the stats on Catholic priests, for one example. Since 1950, the Catholic Diocese has paid out 1.7 billion dollars to settle priet sexual molestation cases - - according to the National Catholic Reporter.
    Also, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, the states with the most conservative Christian populations have:
    1.. the highest rates of divorce
    2.. the highest teen pregnancy rates
    3.. the highest obesity levels

    So much for religion. Homosexuality is the least of your worries!
    The answer is SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE.
    Keep religion out of government, courts, the military, etc.



  38. 138

    Responding to h8terboi is useless. He's borderline retarded, at best.



  39. 139

    Wow, that is awesome!



  40. 140

    Re: Yellow Peeps – The phrase "wall of separation between the church and the state" was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.

    The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.



  41. 141

    Re: jaycie – # 141
    Exactly. Religion, in any denomination, does not belong in the "state"



  42. 142

    Re: h8terboi

    Neither GOD NOR JESUS WROTE THE BIBLE HIMSELF.

    The bible is a collection of SECONDARY SOURCES composed MANY MANY years after the death of Christ. If this "holy book" is so great, why did it take many many years to be written by man, and the stories in it chosen by man and has been translated chosen by man and passed down and changed by man so many times. How can anyone trust this book and call it the holy book on earth and all the churches behind it?

    The bible is saying we ALL are GOD CHILDREN and he LOVE each of us, Right???
    THIS IS ALSO TOTALLY TWISTED AND WRONG…
    "The biblical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they engaged in wickedness." And Jesus KILL all his CHILDREN there. Now the bible is saying that Jesus is going to Kill all his CHILDREN on earth just because we all are sinner.
    Where is the LOVE that Jesus have for his CHILDREN if he is going to kill them in the end???

    I realize you have the answers to everything and only what you say matters.

    Another point I'd like to make is. None of us can say for sure what God and Jesus wanted and intended for until we die and ask them ourselves.
    (If there is a man call Jesus)

    Life is too short to care what you and all the so call christians think of me.



  43. 143

    The concept of separating church and state is more often credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke. Yes it was intended to protect the church from the government. But sold to the public as a protection from any/ any one religion and as such it should be applied as Yellow Peeps
    wrote:
    The answer is SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE.
    Keep religion out of government, courts,Schools, science, the military, etc.
    *
    There should be a demand that government actions be science based!



  44. 144

    This is great news



  45. 145

    Bottom line is it is clear that the bible is against people being gay. No matter how many ways people want to TRY to twist it. Ruth and Naomi as lesbians? Negative. And saying God is against heterosexuals performing homosexual acts? WHAT!? Isn't that what I've been saying? No one is born gay so technically we are all heterosexual, it's just gays perform "homosexual acts". :P Gays should never take a leadership position in a Christian, bible-based church. . . it's twisted and hypocritical. It's forming a new religion so don't call yourself Christian.



  46. 146

    Re: Aussieone – Agree with you 100%… again lol Good for the gays (and kudos to any church for not being total closed-minded assholes) but I'm sooooo sick of all that religiosity bullshit!!!! It's fucking RELIGULOUS!!!



  47. 147

    And for the record, I am just as fervently against divorce, drunkenness, promiscuity, and murder as I am against homosexuality. I don't pick and choose or just wake up one day and decided to be "homophobic". I may sound more passionate about homosexuality than any others because my brother is caught up in this sin and I see this lifestyle up close and personal. I believe it is truly Satan's greatest tool to lead people astray in our time. It's so sad. :(



  48. 148

    Re: KevinK – lol oh just fuck off! Your bible shit means nada in the real world. AussieOne is one of the few people in here who use their brains. Obviously, you're a gullible bible lover… kinda like Bush… and look where that leads us…



  49. 149

    Re: jaycie
    #148
    I am so sorry for your brother that he does not have the sister he needs.
    You could be a supportive, loving, and non-judgmental force in his life .. too bad for all involved that you are not.



  50. 150

    religious flame war ftw.



  51. 151

    Re: VickyVRe: Mickey9661Re: Yellow PeepsRe: WeAreTheWorldRe: CarolinaB
    *
    I like you guys!
    *
    Re: jaycie
    *
    Maybe you should stop judging your brother and start loving him! Why anyone would throw a family member away for some interpretation or an interpretation of some ink on paper is beyond me!
    *
    You are no human i wish to converse with!
    *
    Shame on you treating your blood in such away! Your brother has every right to love and be loved by one who loves him! How dare you call his love a sin!
    *
    Life is hard enough with out your stupidity causing more hardship! I feel for your brother and If i believed in satan id say you are doing his work!



  52. 152

    the ECLA is not the real Lutheran church. The Missouri Synod is the real Lutheran church. The ECLA is an embarassment to real Lutherans and this just proves it!!!!



  53. 153

    Re: knowitall – Let's make a deal I'll "stfu" when you drop dead a-hole, btw election day the people voted and guess what you LOST! So quit being a whiny little bitch I have my right to say what I think just like you did and whatever you say psssh doesn't mean a thing to me actually just makes me laugh.



  54. 154

    ALL OF US ARE BORN WITH A BRAIN…
    YET ONLY SOME OF US CHOOSE TO USE IT OTHERS DEFFER THAT GIFT TO A BOOK.. A BOOK WHICH SUPPORTS SLAVERY AND IS TWISTED TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND HATE & STUPIDITY!
    *
    "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can change this." Albert Einstein January 3 1954
    *
    IM AGAINST RELIGION
    THERE ARE NICE PEOPLE OF MUSLIM, CHRISITAN AND JEWISH FAITH BUT WE'D ALL BE MUCH BETTER OFF IF WE WERE ALL JUST HUMANS BELIEVING IN THE BROTHERHOOD OF MAN! NO RELIGION!
    *



  55. 155

    Re: h8terboi – HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Thanks for the good laugh asshole! All "religions" are nothing more than a load of bullshit made up to control the weak minded. OH! And guess what? YOU proved the point! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



  56. 156

    Re: Aussieone – STOP YOUR NONSENSE. THE FACT THAT THE BIBLE DOESNT APPROVE OF HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HATING THE PEOPLE THAT DO IT. IF I DONT APPROVE OF ROBBERS RAPISTS AND MURDERERS AM I GUILTY OF HATING THEM? SHOULD I NOW APPROVE OF WHAT THEY DO?



  57. 157

    Re: WeAreTheWorld – WHAT ABOUT THEM? WHO SAID I APPROVE OF THEM. WHEN PEREZ POSTS ABOUT ROBBERS SAPISTS AND MURDERERS ILL BE HAPPY TO CRITICALLY COMMENT ON THEM AS WELL…



  58. 158

    Re: Yellow Peeps – YES I AGREE WITH YOU. I DONT APPROVE OF GAYS JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE CATHOLIC PRIESTS



  59. 159

    You guys are waaaay off track. . . my brother and I are best friends! He knows how I feel and vice versa, we just don't go there. (Debating the issue.) We love each other deeply. He's glad we can be open an honest w/each other even if we disagree.

    "Your brother has every right to love and be loved by one who loves him! How dare you call his love a sin!" It's easy to call a spade a spade. Love isn't always right. A husband may love his mistress, does that make it pure or sinless?

    "



  60. 160

    Add me to the NOT proud to be a Lutheran list.
    Yes, Jesus says to accept all and love all, but he also says marriage is between a man and a woman. Haven't you heard "God made Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve?"
    I have gay friends and I accept them and they accept me, but I don't promote gay marriage because that is promoting an ungodly life.
    ELCAs were going down hill anyways because they allow women preachers, yikes!



  61. 161

    Re: h8terboi – You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite You hypocrite
    YOU KNOW ITS TRUE NO MORE TIME FOR YOU! STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES JUST LOOK IN THE MIRROR



  62. 162

    disgusting… the human race be damned…



  63. 163

    Re: K-Mart
    Gay marriage has nothing to do with the church! the tradition of marriage exisited before your the story of you god was even wrote! The oldest known and recorded marriage laws is discerned from Hammurabi's Code 1790 BCE (BC for you)



  64. 164

    Leslie who is "all of us" and how come I never got the "call" from Jesus to "proclaim the word"? I'm really pretty pissed at him about it,,,I think I'll text him right now,,,,"JESUS,,,IMAGINE NO RELIGION.
    P.S. YOUR FATHER CALLED AND SAID YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL SKILLS SUCK, YOUR WAY PAST YOUR RETIREMENT, AND THAT IF YOU DON"T GET OFF THESE HUMANS BACKS, HE"S GOING TO PERSONALLY KICK YOUR ASS ALL OVER THE FUCKING UNIVERSE."



  65. 165

    Re: K-Mart – Don't even get me started in the "women preachers" subject. How retarded can religion be, that it remains sexist and nonequivalent, even to women's rights? Sheesh…



  66. 166

    Re: jaycie – My opinions don't make the world negative because I'm not a hypocrite. I don't preach one thing and practice another. According to your religion, only God can judge someone's lifestyle choices-but you seem to be taking it upon yourself to do that, too. So - how aren't you going to hell according to YOUR teachings???
    .
    .
    I show love to loving people - and you are certainly not one of them. I have no problem hating on you publicly because I think you're a rotten excuse of a human being.
    .
    .
    and FYI - I can almost guarantee that your brother hates you. I know a lot of gay men in his situation - and they only barely tolerate their families. They put on a show in front of them by pretending that they understand their opinions, and secretly wish they'd die in a fiery car crash. I promise you that he feels hurt and betrayed that you choose your religion over him.
    .
    .
    You need to wake up to how the world actually works. Your opinions are outdated and ridiculous.



  67. 167

    Re: K-Mart – Well if "God made Adam and Eve"? Why does history tell us that we evolved from apes?
    If you do your research correctly on the history of those days, back when Adam and Eve supposedly around, many theological scholars that HAVE studied the bible, say that a lot of the books of the bible are not meant to be taken literally. For all we know "ADAM & EVE" could be a representation of 2 different towns, or 2 different families. If you think about it, when siblings reproduce, which in your case it pertains to you, all you get are mentally disabled offspring, look in the mirror.
    Now many religions and its teachers focus only on a certain verse or paragraph and don't take in consideration the customs, beliefs, rituals of those times and what civilization was like during the time of "Adam & Eve, Moses, Jacob, Joshua, Ruth, etc. etc…. go beyond just what is written, do your homework, and then preach to everyone else.



  68. 168

    I did my research correctly on the history in those days; the bible was not telling me what I wanted to know and what I needed to know. If you just stay with what you read and has been written in the bible, you will know nothing. If you go beyond the bible, and research its history you will see what I am talking about…



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    Re: Your S-M Girlfriend – now that's a thought I can get behind,,,



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    Re: Lucky Lucy – their own.



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    Re: lau115ren – I can tell by your statements that you do not know my religion at all. Of course we are to judge peoples actions, that's how you decipher what is good and what's bad. And I don't really care if you think I'm going to hell, my only point in quoting you was that I found it to be incredibly ironic that you said I make the world a negative place, you then proceed with "see you in Hell bitch". I'd never say that to someone! I wouldn't call someone a "rotten excuse of a human being" either and use that to give myself permission to hate. You, my dear, are the hypocrite. You hate anyone who doesn't agree w/u, but accuse them of the same, then wish death on them! Sounds mentally unstable to me.



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    Re: lau115ren – Finally, I can guarantee you that my brother doesn't hate me. He was raised to love and harbors no hate for anyone. We are family, we are friends. He would be so incredibly sad to hear that people could actually wish death on their family because they don't agree on something! (As most people with a heart would.) And it's not choosing religion over him, it's choosing him over the world. . . although I'm sure you lack the wisdom to understand that. You, and your gay friends who want to see people dead and publicly hate on people make the world an awful place, and THAT is archaic & deranged!



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    I was raised a Lutheran……was taught to love others as myself…..not to judge others: that's God's job and I don't worry about it! God loves everyone….so put that in your juicebox and suck it! (If you don't believe in God…..that's your business



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    I was raised a Lutheran……was taught to love others as myself…..not to judge others: that's God's job and I don't worry about it! God loves everyone….so put that in your juicebox and suck it! (If you don't believe in God…..that's your business) BTW…..gay marriage doesn't bother me…..I have lots of gay friends, so with children……beats the hell of them growing up unloved in some orphanage.



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    wow… thats a great step.



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    Re: Aussieone
    Obviously you haven't read the bible. It states in plain black/white that it's wrong for a man to lie with another man. If you need a true reference, flip to the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. There you go.

    And God says that the one unforgivable sin is blasphemy. And when you neglect God's word by choosing homosexuality, you are choosing to turn your back on him. There's no "gray" area behind that. None, what-so-ever. You can interpret things however you want. But there's no amount of rationalizing that'll make that okay.

    No offense to homosexuals, of course.



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    Re: JessaNova – All religious dogma is subjective. Grow up!



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    That takes the fun out of going out with a minister. If your not pissing off the church, whats the point!
    I have to go back to married men, now.



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    G-L-O-R-Y

    H-A-L-L-E-L-U-L-A-H ! !



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    Re: JessaNova – I feel so sorry for you: Obviously your life is soooo boring that you have to spend it reading the Bible. Don't people have anything better to do than to MEMORIZE every single fucking line of a man-written fairy tale book? Man, had you people ever read just one BIOLOGY book (or any school book, for that matter) as thoroughly as that damn Bible, that would have been a way better investment! Go educate yourself!



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    Re: jaycie – You are a disgusting evil human being but too uneducated and brainswashed to fully understand your narrow-minded hate, Don't worry history will judge you as the scumbag that you are and God will punish you rightwing hateful trash for the sins you commited against people born gay. I can only sympathize with your brother for having an animal like you for a family member, I guess I'm lucky to have such a huge and supportive family.,but they are educated and not evengelical trash like you. May the Karma you deserve visit you and all the other nazis like you.



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    If you can't beat em', join em'.



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    i just find all of you people hilarious i couldn't stop laughing
    seriously, religious people will believe what they want even if they
    sound extremely retarded, the bible states that a man shall not lie
    with another man well it also states that if i child disobeys there parents
    they shall be put to death as well as so many other things, do we see
    anyone following all those little phrases from the bible? no we do not.
    i believe that everyone should be equal and if there is a god he loves us all no matter what, and as for gay being a choice, who in there right mind would
    choose to be gay?



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    to be treated like they are disgusting and told
    all the time by religious fanatics they are going to hell? i mean come on
    really, if you believe being homosexual is a choice, you have some big problems, i love gay men they are amazing as well as lesbians
    they all deserve equality and to be treated with the same respect
    all you religious freaks demand you be treated, but whatever i can't
    say i believe in god because it can't be proven and while i am on this earth
    i will have fun and do whatever i wish, i will sleep with men and women, drink, do drugs, and whatever i please until i die, and if there is a god and a hell, then i'll be seeing most of you there =) doesn't the bible preach love and acceptance? christians are the biggest hypocrits. not all christians some of you are alright and great amazing people, but its the people like jaycie or whatever that give most of you all a bad name.
    i plan to live in sin xD



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    Judge not lest ye be judged
    Another PROUD Lutheran!



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    Religious bigots are fools to believe that YHWH or Allah or God would have ther sayings written in books. These books were arranged by men and hold nothing sacred. God never wanted his parole to be bound in books, because he knew men would never be able to get it right. All of you religious out there who follow books are only angering God.



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    Lutherans base their spirituality solely on the bible, God's word. So, I don't really see an ELCA as a true Lutheran, but then again that is why there are ELCAs and LCMSs. LCMS is pretty true to the bible from what I have been taught.
    AND you can't bring science into the equation when we are talking about a religion who bases their beliefs from the bible and that point of view, duh!



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    For those who ask where does it say in the Bible that homosexualty is wrong…here you go..
    1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 " Do you not know that the unrighteous will NOT inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decived..Nither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor sodomites, nor theives, nor covetos, nor drunkars, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God"

    So there you go and also God is loving and caring, but he loves and cares for us so much that he's willing to judge us for our sins…he's not going to force us to get saved…he created us with our own will…it's up to us to decide wether or not we want to live for Him or reject him…and those churches that allow this kinda of thing KNOWS they are in the wrong…they are condeming souls to HELL instead of leading souls to Christ.



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    Re: jaycie – i agree with you and keep strong and faithful…in time God will lead your brother down the right path…..



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    It's funny how when it comes to gay being able to have freedom of speech and do w.e they want, but when ppl are against it they attack them. And for any real bible readers you would know that homosexuality is unclean in God's eyes. im not in no mood to preach, but it's funny when ppl quoting scriptures, don't even live their lives according to what the WHOLE bible has to say. Not just a tiny part. But anyways it all just balls down to them trying to please people and be acceptable in other people's eyes. Well News flash, no one said doing right according to what's in god's word the bible was going to be popular. But it's the RIGHT thing to do which they fail to realize. When it comes to things as in let's say run for president or mayor or be a school principal or w.e , then it's fair game. But when it comes to matters or religion and chruch then it's a whole other ball game.



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    Re: holyroller – ANOTHER ONE!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Thanks for the good laugh asshole! All "religions" are nothing more than a load of bullshit made up to control the weak minded. OH! And guess what? YOU proved the point! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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    Re: holyroller
    Your a fraud… I already posted it post 88..
    *
    Corinthians 6:9 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders”
    *
    Male prostitutes and homosexual offenders. you can not condemn an entire orientation because of the prohibition of these specific acts!The Greek words Paul used in this passage include the word for a young, effeminate male prostitute and the word for the older man who paid to have sex with him. You can acknowledge that the bible condemns prostitution and a system where a younger man makes his living committing sex acts for money with older men. But you cannot condemn homosexuality in general because homosexual prostitution was condemned. Paul condemns many heterosexual acts in his writings, even in this very verse, yet we do not condemn heterosexuality.
    *
    Reading into the text what what was not said (a universal prohibition of homosexuality) is called eisogesis - wrongly interpreting the text. That kind of faulty interpretation is unworthy of Christians who love the word of God.



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    Re: holyroller
    "i agree with you and keep strong and faithful…in time God will lead your brother down the right path….. "
    *
    What crazy shit are you talking.. Her brother is gay!! He is who he is!!! When did you decide to be straight ? Did you try sex with the same sex ? Get real!
    *
    Her brother is gay he was gay when he was born he will be gay when he dies!!



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    Re: Lydia08

    holyroller even selectivly edited the text what a freak!



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    absolutely insane. These people no more follow Christianity than Satan ..They sure dont follow the teaching of the Bible ,thats for sure!! Homosexuality is a SIN. How dare they try to change what God says about it!! Sickening!



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    Re: beebeefox – youre right! They change the Bible to suit there own immoral behavior! God wont stand for it.



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    Re: jaycie – agreed!



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    Re: jaycie – Thank you for posting that!! Its wrong and no matter how they fight it..IT ALWAYS WILL BE SINFUL TO GOD!



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    ROMANS 1:26-27 people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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    YOU WROTE: "Romans 1:26-27"
    Romans 1:26-27 speaks only of heterosexual people who act 'contrary to their nature.'
    *
    Reading into the text what Paul did not say (a universal prohibition of homosexuality) is called eisogesis - wrongly interpreting the text. That kind of faulty interpretation is unworthy of Christians who love the word of God.

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