She's Not Exactly God's Brightest Bitch Blonde!
Not only is she a skanky evangelical hypocrite, but divine forces have deemed it so!
While speaking at the conservative Value Voters Summit on Friday, Carrie Prejean had the nerve to tell the crowd that she was chosen by God to oppose gay marriage!
WTF?!
“God had a plan for me that day,” she said about the Miss USA competition.
If he's watching over pageants, we've got bigger problems!
“I could not believe that they were asking that question at Miss USA,” said the former Miss California about our very astute question on gay marriage. “I’m so proud of the answer that I gave. God chose me for that moment.”
Reeeeeeeaaaallly?!
“I was a woman who stood up for the truth and people don’t want to admit that. I had the courage and the bravery that a lot of people don’t have,” said the half plastic martyr.
But, God didn't choose for you to have bigger boobies. You went against his will!
The self righteousness continued, “I am not defeated, they have not defeated me. They can say whatever they want about me and my faith. I always wanted to leave a legacy of courage and boldness and to show that to young people.”
Maybe she should thank God for us!
Because if it wasn't for our question, she'd be lying out and tanning her tittays on Obscurity Beach!
[Image via AP Images.]
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Re: Brains of the Operation – yea I would be pretty pissed off ( I am black btw ) If my white friend ever said some shit like that to me . But i mean yea some ppl's oppinions shouldnt be said at all like Kanye , but if thats how she feels towards gays then thats her ! like me i was raised in a family to love everyone despite of what they are etc. i love homosexual ppl just as much as i love every other person in the world , yea i think they should be equal to everyone else , but the ONLY thing that kills me abt homosexuals is that they sometimes try to make themselves different and be the victim. trust me i know first hand . I have a friend and everytime someone says something to her just as they would to a straight person she uses this "IS IT B/C IM GAY" its like no one is judging you well im not judging anyone on whether they gay straight or bicurios . i base it off there character . !
Re: *MJ4life – Thanks for chiming in on that, great points you've made. Keep in mind that as a white person, I hear a lot of people who perceive every single complaint by a racial minority as making themselves different and playing the victim too, and I know that's not normally the truth. That's the thing about being a minority - people in the majority can tend to associate everything with minority status. I would second guess people's treatment of me as a racial/sexual minority if I were one from time to time, I'm sure - I do it as a female too, because I know sometimes I'm treated differently as a woman.
And you're right, the best way to measure a person's worth is by their character.
I believe that if minorities stick together, there's nothing they can't do. I see a lot of cross-minority hating (Hispanics hating blacks, vice versa, racial minorities hating gays, etc), and it's really a bummer, because really, everyone's in the same boat. Everyone's being affected by different levels of discrimination and the fight is still the same no matter what group you're a member of. The important thing - in spite of our differences, we're all made of the same stuff and want the same things - to be treated well and seen as equals. Our differences make us individuals, but our commonalities make us human beings.
Re: WriterAtLarge – it is the same thing as marriage. Two people who love each other tying the knot legally. Who are you, or Carrie, to decide whats best for other people? You are entitled to your opinion, so keep it your own. Don't make it someone else have to adhere to it just because its your opinion.
Re: Brains of the Operation – 1/2
And Ms. Airhead Prejean just confirms my suspicion one stupid comment at a time. Nobody should listen to her but the sad fact of the matter is that people actually DO… same people that will listen to Sarah Palin and the like. I'm not quite sure how much religion played a role in the racial issues of the 50's and 60's but I agree that the two are very much comparable, and I don't care how loudly people will protest.
Get out of my head, you're saying what I'm thinking lol Where do you live?
I'm at a point where humans in general piss me off soooo much. They make the easiest things complicated and create problems where there are none! I just don't get it. Seems like nobody wants to just do their best to live together happily and peacefully. Humanity could accomplish so much if we just all pulled at the same rope because, like you said, we're all in the same boat. We're not nearly as important as we like to think the majority of the time. And of course I blame religion for a great part, actually about 90% of the issues
Re: Brains of the Operation – 2/2
It's not the exact same issue but very similar, both are human rights issues and therefore of great importance. The only difference is that back in the day, gay people could hide and deny their sexual preference while black people obviously couldn't. I really think that's about the only huge difference. Gays would have been hated and discriminated against just as much as the black population was, had they been out and proud. One issue at a time, and one victory paves a smoother road for the ones to follow. I'm straight but I believe in total equality for everybody and am proud to be on the progressive side of things. This country needs progress on more than one level… especially if it wants to remain - or get back to being - the best and most advanced nation in the world. Until we get there, a lot of people have to learn a lot!!!
Re: Brains of the Operation – the thing is this "argument" that you and i are apparently having has been conjured up in your mind. the same way you have convinced yourself i said things i didn't. i suggest you go back and read my initial post to you. somehow you came to the conclusion that i am anti gay when in fact i stated i am all for love regardless of gender. so when you say i haven't backed anything up with facts, what's the point because you obviously see what you want to see. judging on the amount of people you have responded to you hold your self in high esteem and you are clearly very impressed with yourself. the thing is some of your arguments and comparisons are quite ridiculous and quite inflammatory. you are extremely condescending and close minded. YOU are very critical toward others and believe you are superior to most. with you the options are agree with me or else the mud slinging starts. please spare us all the dramatics. you need to realize that as strongly as you feel about your stance, others feel just as strongly about their own, right or wrong. and until you come down from your self imposed pedestal, you will continue to be met with resistance. you are also very convinced that this is such a non issue for me because it doesn't have anything to do with my life? again another assumption. you know nothing about me and that truly was an assanine thing to say.
Re: walrus gumboot – Your last post had me intrigued, you write very eloquently and are obviously an educated person. So I went back and read all you're posts. You addressed a lot of stuff but I thought one thing was missing: that question you so desperately want people to answer… you never gave an explanation as to WHY you want an answer or how it actually IS even relevant? When fertility comes into play, of course people are going to think you'd wanna say: a gay couple cannot reproduce without some help and therefore, it's not the same as a hetero couple. That's the opinion of many people here. So if you don't explain clearly HOW your question relates to the issue in YOUR eyes, you can't blame people for jumping to a seemingly simple conclusion! So please, do explain?!?!
Re: walrus gumboot – No walrus, what you've said makes absolutely no sense. And here we go again with the personal attacks. Vicky pointed out again that you've not once explained what childbearing has to do with any of this. You've done nothing but disrupt and insult.
Re: VickyV – Hey Vicky, I grew up in Iowa - was raised on a farm - and I owe much of who I am to being lucky enough to have lived there for most of my life. I'm now living on the west coast, spending my time between Phoenix and San Francisco. How about yourself?
I think you've made some great points. I too feel frustrated with people like Prejean - but luckily they represent a small segment of the population. Only a quarter of people identify as republican right now. Plus, the party has another problem - the religious portion of the party wants to cling to the past and this is to the party's detriment. America's ready to move forward, but the religious right (apart from the rational right) refuses to do so. But (and here's the biggest problem) if the republican party breaks with the evangelicals, they lose a good chunk of that 25% - and that makes it even worse for them. Factor in how much they shun all minorities - especially Hispanics, who are the fastest growing demographic - and they're in big trouble. So I guess what I'm saying is, we hear a lot about them, but they're not the majority and we have a job to continue to do
Re: I_Say_Eff_U – "I will vote against it because that is my right to do so" Yes, it IS YOUR right to have an opinion, why who the hell told you you had the RIGHT to impose on other people's lives, who are in no way harming you or even connected with you?? WHO gave you THAT right, my friend? and "not everyone has to share your opinion." … but everybody has to share YOURS? Newsflash: by voting against it, you FORCE others to share your opinion. That's what you're really doing when you exercise your "right": you make YOUR opinion the freaking LAW. Excuse me, does anybody else see the contradiction?? You live an incredible double standard, my friend, and that's a slippery slope. You think you have the right to decide over other people's lives although it's NONE of your fucking business. This law doesn't even concern your life, how dare you interfere with it? YOU are taking somebody's fundamental RIGHT away by voting no, the GAY community takes NOTHING, abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING away from you by voting yes. And I hope you live in my state so that when it's time to vote, MY vote FOR gay marriage can at least render YOURS void!!!
Re: walrus gumboot – Also, kindly explain how gay marriage affects you negatively. Your words imply that it does affect you, yet you did not explicitly say so and did nothing to explain, which seems to indicate you're blowing smoke. The nature of an internet conversation is that no one really knows anyone they're talking to, yet look at you, criticizing me for not knowing you yet you seem to think you know me. It's a two way street. If you're going to engage in a dialogue, following through and explaining is necessary. You've done nothing of the sort.
Re: I_Say_Eff_U – Not everything is a votable issue. Historically, for example, the decision to desegregate and the decision to do away with anti-miscegenation laws were vastly unpopular at the time they occurred - if it had been a voting issue, segregation would've stayed legal and so would outlawing interracial marriage. Constitutional rights are not subject to majority rule; rather, it's designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.
Re: VickyV – You make great points and I like what you asked this WalrusGumboot creature,waiting to hear it's answer.Re: Brains of the Operation – You are incredible and just the fact that you get under the skin of bigots like walrus Gumboot speaks volumes about the great points you made.
Re: *MJ4life – In other words you think gay people are super sensitive and have a chip on their shoulders even though you support gay rights, well I'll return the favor I think the same thing about black people and the chips on their shoulder and I support their rights one hundred percenty,hey you couldnt find a greater Obama supporter,too bad the black commuinty were the strongest opponents of gay marriage in California.
Re: Brains of the Operation – 1/2
I'm a native German living in - this is so ironic - the conservative south: in Dallas, right in the bible belt lol I was an atheist before I came over here 6 years ago but boy now I'm more so than ever. Coming from a country where evolution is taught in school as indisputible - because it is - seeing how incredibly religious, backwards and intolerant some people here are was a true culture shock. The first person I met who still believes in creationism, I was laughing because I seriously thought she was kidding… I had no idea people would literally still believe in Adam and Eve. And then another shock: no sex before marriage - I was truely speechless (it did clarify to me why the divorce rate was so high though). What I'm saying is, I quickly learned that all this backwards religiousness is the real root of a lot of problems in this country. I wasn't aware how incredibly religious people were, and I don't know if I ever would have considered living in Texas knowing what I know now. I would probably have picked San Francisco myself.
Re: Brains of the Operation – 2/2
Just like Carrie… minus all the bullshit… I hope the Republicans are gonna ditch the evangelicals. Yeah, they'd lose a quarter of their current votes but I'm sure they'd gain many many new, progressive ones.
So I always wonder: how come I like it here in Texas so much? lol I don't know, sounds like this should be the last place in the States I'd wanna be but I still like it here. I guess the bible belt needs some help with catching up to the rest of the country, so maybe I can make myself usefull here somehow. Like you said: we have a job to do
Re: knowitall – Thank you, I can very much recognize myself in your posts as well… even though you called a fellow German of mine a Nazi… lol no worries, I didn't get offended, I know how you meant it. I can tell the frustration in your posts and can empathize with your cursing lol. I actually told fantomas that he/she may not know enough about the entire situation to comment. And I loved your East-German reference, that was hilarious! Not too many people here actually know the difference between Germans from the west and the east. And since I'm living in the south myself I can say that yes, you are right, very many - not all - people here are white, intolerant, bible-thumping republicans, and those are just as bad as you paint them. But thankfully, there are also a lot of progressive, scientifically oriented, liberal atheists. I'm finding more and more of them down here, so there is "hope" lol just gotta be patient. We're working on it
Re: knowitall – im speaking for myself , not the "black community in California" . Most other black folk may oppose what I feel towards gay marriage but its there right to , But for me I'll support anything for other human beings that's worth supporting . Trust me homosexual ppl where i live has a very big chip on there shoulders b/c alot of place in michigan doesnt accept them
Yay for you standing up for gay marriage…bravo…
but if someone doesn't agree with you why is that so evil? If she chooses to disagree with gay marriage that's her freedom, I give her props for sticking to her views, no matter what they are.
and the whole breast implant thing…who cares if her boobs are fake? Who are you to judge?
Re: Brains of the Operation – What kind of an American tells another American to stop fighting for equality
Re: VickyV – Everything you said goes both way's people voting for gay marriageRe: *MJ4life – is imposing what they think is right so please save it, being brains Parrot must be hard for you.
The post went wrong Re: Brains of the Operation – "What kind of an American tells another American to stop fighting for equality" if you wanna "fight" go out and make a difference for the people you say your "fighting" for sitting behind a computer on a gossip blog about celebrities is not really making a difference in the world. I'm done here I said my opinion on gay marriage if you agree with it good if you don't that's fine as well I'm not looking for your approval.
Re: *MJ4life – Your name got tossed in my post for by accident my apologizes for that.
Still pissed because she owned you Perez? F@ck every person on this list who keeps calling her "stupid" just because she doesn't agree with you. And you call HER the hypocrit!
Re: JaneJaneJaney –
Both you and Carrie are stupid smelly twats.
[re=4332454]Re: I_Say_Eff_U[/re Man, ever heard of punctuation? I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say in that one tiny scrambled sentece of yours but it surely wasn't a useful or valid point. I called you out on being a hypocrite and you KNOW it! This situation does not go both ways, my slow friend! You make your opinion into a law imposing on other people's lives, while gay marriage wouldn't take anything away from you. End of story! You had nothing to respond so why don't you sit back and hink about what you're really saying and doing. Come back when you've grown up.
she's not even a good example of plastic surgery - did not need it - I would think these groups would be embarassed by her but instead they keep inviting her to speak - perhaps that is because it does generate press - I feel she is a very bad example for christians especially young vulnerable girls - I am Christian but I am not a bigot a lot of christians aren't - Many of us were taught by faulty clergy who had there own agenda and even some through lack of education just preach what they have been taught without ever questioning it - she needs a big ole piece of humble pie - I mean this is a prime example of how not to act if you folow God
Re: Kittencaboodle – Well said
Re: Laury – I'm sorry you hate what you think we are like - but this woman is not our spokesperson - I would never want to be associated with someone with her lack of love and humility - I hope you meet some christians you dig someday and you change your mind
Re: Butterfly_1 – If you eat shell fish or wear material that is woven of more than one material you'll see them there- Listen it is a very challenging verse - go soak your head - learn something and pray you may someday pull your head out
Re: VickyV –
"YOU are taking somebody's fundamental RIGHT away by voting no, the GAY community takes NOTHING, abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING away from you by voting yes."
That's why it's called a democracy. I would have agreed with you if you had just suggested that gay rights shouldn't be a voting issue at all, but what it sounds like you're proposing is feel-good politics, where everyone should vote on whatever makes others happy. It wouldn't be a fair vote if he would have just stayed home or not voted "NO", simply because gay marriage doesn't effect him. There's a lot of issues that don't directly effect me when I step into the voting booth (public schools, immigration, etc.); it doesn't mean I don't have opinions on them one way or the other, nor should I refrain from voting against them simply because it doesn't effect me directly. I agree, however, that the issue of gay marriage shouldn't be left in the hands of the voters.
hmmm…
this is just terrible…
Re: Brains of the Operation – again, you refuse to see how arrogant you come off. you are extremely critical of those who do not agree with you. in your last post to me you go back to relying on your heavily condescending, self righteous nonsense. i quote " the nature of an internet conversation is that no one really knows… yet you seem to know me." i am critical of the fact that you said this issue doesn't affect me. where did you get that from. it is another one of your baseless assumptions made about me. i, on the other hand, have based everything i have said specifically related to your words out here. when you said no one really knows any one they are talking to, you might want to keep that in mind yourself. you have repeatedly made assumptions about me, ie: i was talking about gay marriage, how this issue negatively affects me, ( really? where the hell did i say that gay marriage affects me,especially in a negative way,) i assume to know you as a person? as i have said before i am not beholden to you to explain myself. you are incapable of considering what other people have to say, therefore having a "dialogue" with you is futile. you might want to take at look at yourself in he mirror, because you have said very hurtful things to and about others. i suggest you go back and read some of your responses. i personally have wasted too much time on this, so have at it my dear the stage is all yours.
Re: bugsluv – It's the equivalent of a white person going up to to their black friend and saying "Hey, just so you know, my god thinks you should be my slave and so I'm going to fight to make you my slave again - a 2nd class citizen." Prejean has made it her mission to take us backwards and this affects Perez directly.
As for the implants, I'm fairly sure that this is a case of bible picking and choosing - if god made the body and you're not supposed to mess it up, doesn't that include things like implants? Why is her version of god's word okay for her to throw on others (gays) but not herself (cosmetic surgery)? That makes her a hypocrite.
Re: I_Say_Eff_U – Again, telling an American to stop fighting for equality - only now the method isn't too your liking - another misconception of reality. The internet is a powerful tool - many things have happened and have drawn a huge amount of attention via the internet. Think of how many people read these comments on this one article - one out of thousands that Perez has posted - and the fact that it's 3 days old now - and how many people aren't even commenting but are reading. Actively campaigning is important whether it's in real life or on the internet. I choose both. Until you have some non-half baked ideas or actually have a point to argue that is baseless and without facts to back it up, you should really try and learn something.
Re: ZeGerman – Hadn't realized you had another account I said it must be hard on you being Brains parrot, all you can do is say Brains is right. You misunderstood me obviously you said I quote 'Newsflash: by voting against it, you FORCE others to share your opinion. That's what you're really doing when you exercise your "right": you make YOUR opinion the freaking LAW. ' And that is what I meant by what you said going both way's when you vote in favor of it your doing exactly what you accused me of so does that make you a hypocrite to? Just wanted to clear that last thing up.
Re: VickyV – Ha, yeah, I'm so so sorry about all the crap you've had to deal with over here. I'm surprised you like Texas! You sound like a very intelligent individual so hopefully if you end up staying in TX you'll be part of the reason it switches to a blue state sometime down the road
And how about that Gov. Perry idiot? Ha!
Re: Unbelievable! – If anyone is calling her stupid, it's because her beliefs are despicable. She's now parading around telling people that god is talking to her, commanding her to fight against equality. Please read my earlier posts. If you're white, would you walk up to your black friend and say right to their face, "Hey, god told me that you are supposed to be my slave, and since it's what he wants, I'm not going to apologize for it - you're a second class citizen and I will fight to make you that way." Is your back friend supposed to respect that? No. And neither should Perez. Prejean is a hypocrite - she only follows some of the rules from her book of fiction and only when it's convenient for her.
Re: walrus gumboot – You make no sense and are a grand manipulator. You have not addressed a single thing requested about your nonsense and instead are interested only in twisting every word that is spoken by someone who disagrees with you. We live in a world where facts and reality are the only truth, yet you outright refuse to immerse yourself in them. Until you are ready to deal with reality, you are dismissed from the conversation with me.
Re: I_Say_Eff_U – Actually I'm confused now myself. I had changed my nickname to ZeGerman but it actually never showed up… until now lol sorry about the confusion. Back to the topic:
NO, wrong again, it doesn't go both ways. Read it again: You take a right away, but gays don't do the same with any of YOUR rights. I think you really don't get it, and I'm sick and tired of running around in a circle repeating myself. And I'm nobody's parrot, thank you very much. I can actually think for myself. Can you? You better accept the fact that there are many many more people out there who agree with mine or Brains' opinion, without being influenced by a political party or religion. I'm a free thinker and proud of it! try it sometime, you may just end up liking it!
Re: VickyV – My mistake on the name then. It was a rude to call you a Parrot I'm sure you do have your own opinion and I should respect that and I am very well aware that you and Brains are not the only people who share the same opinion. I am one who doesn't and I am also sure I am not the only one I just hate the fact when people jump on my throat when I don't share their opinion I'm not telling you or anyone to change their opinion. I respect yours so it is common courtesy to respect mines even if you don;t like it just saying agree to disagree. This isn't a top issue for me really I did not want to make a big deal I will give you reason in that it does not affect me in anyway the outcome your right. I wont be coming back to this particular post to argue anymore. I wish you a good day.
Re: Brains of the Operation – I'm done with you, you are like a broken record you repeat the same thing on occasion adding new words, fight until your last breath if you wish I'm not telling you to not fight you are free to do whatever you please.
Re: I_Say_Eff_U – You are an unapologetic bigot and have nothing to justify your beliefs - I understand.
Re: I_Say_Eff_U – you are so right about brains constantly repeating herself. she believes she is open minded but in fact i find her to be one of the most closed minded out here. i am sick to death of her comparing gays to slavery. her reasoning is ludicrous, unfounded, inflammatory and baseless. there is no comparison. she should be ashamed of herself for not only thinking that way but actually putting it out there. it shows how truly ignorant she is.
Re: think again – Thanks for speaking out. We need more people like you who are willing to distance themselves from her version of christianity. It's clear that Prejean in no way represents the majority - but her words do immeasurable damage.
Re: fiona – I agree about not being able to transform people who are mentally in that deep - and I don't think that's ever been the goal of anyone including Perez. However, she is the poster child for bigotry and fundamentalism and should be made an example of. The woman thinks she's doing god's work now - how much crazier can she get?
Re: Chanbo – You're right. But they're lazy and have no ground left to stand on, so it's a pretty easy defeat!
Re: walrus gumboot – So how about that damn answer you still owe us? I asked you politely to please explain why the whole fertility aspect is important in this convo. So until you respond with an explanation, I'm sorry, I have no choice but to assume that either you don't have one, or that our initial assumption was correct. And I'm starting to think you're just here to instigate, because if there were any real substance behind your opinion, you wouldn't mind sharing it with us. That's all I'm saying!
Re: **KC** – I totally agree, such a human rights issue should not be left for the on average uneducated, prejudiced population to decide on. Absolutely not! But sadly, that's the way it is currently in this country. So no need to debate about that, that's a whole different issue.
What I mean is that people in this country need to learn that just because they CAN do something doesn't mean they SHOULD. Just because you CAN shoot somebody who comes onto your property without being a threat doesn't mean you SHOULD shoot him. I live in Texas, I know it does happen. So, yes, it's y'all's right to vote on gay marriage, unfortunately, but if it doesn't affect you, why on earth would you? Just for the heck of it?? lol People are sooo keen on voting on an issue that doesn't concern them but then on the other hand we hear how not enough people go to vote in the presidential election (except this one maybe). Why does there ALWAYS have to be a double-standard with Americans? THAT'S really what pisses me off the most. I just can't stand intolerance, especially when it's backed with religion! I grew up in Europe, so I know how it CAN and on many levels SHOULD work imo.
somebody slap her across the face…please? I mean i'm not gay, but i certainly support gay marrige.
Re: Brains of the Operation – "The term bigot is often misused to pejoratively label those who merely oppose or disagree with the devotion of another. The correct use of the term, however, requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion." That is just a quick definition from Wikipedia if I am according to you a "bigot" just for disagreeing with you that must mean that by your own way of using the word that you are also an "unapologetic bigot".
To anybody else that wishes to respond to me just merely pointing out this last note you can think of me what you wish when it comes down to it you nor anybody on here really knows me to make judgment about me you can guess what I am like based on what I say but you do not know me. As I said to Re: VickyV/ZeGerman – I do not wish to make this a big deal if you agree with me than I am glad if you don't perfectly fine as well you do not have to share my point of view that is up to you but there is no real need to make judgment if you do not agree with me agree to disagree.
Re: I_Say_Eff_U – Back again I see. Welcome. No, you seem to be a bigot by this definition: "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."
Re: Brains of the Operation – Just like you so welcome to the club.
Re: Angiekins – I'm the same way - it doesn't take a gay person to see that Prejean's behavior is vulgar!
Re: I_Say_Eff_U – I'm confident that one day you will reach the age of majority and participate in discussions like an adult. Best of luck.
Re: Brains of the Operation – I must have struck a nerve for you to have come up with that, re-read your definition clearly you will see that you fall under that category.
Re: I_Say_Eff_U – its fine
Re: MyOpinionOnly – I assume that people like that really do have some sort of underlying mental condition - it's not normal for someone to be so hateful and illogical without reason. The number of people on here who have confused this with a free speech issue is staggering. The number of people on here who are blind enough to scream that all opinions are entitled to total respect and no criticism no matter how disgusting, bigoted, or cruel is also staggering. Most of these people instantly get defensive when you bring to their attention that they're judging Perez's judgment. They seem to have no interest in arguing the merits of gay marriage - rather, they resort to acting like brats on a playground and spew hatred. There's a complete logical disconnect and I find it to be horrifying as well.
Re: VickyV –
It does seem bad that people seem to vote against things that don't really effect them, and shouldn't really matter to them, but that's kind of how it is. People claim to vote based on their "morals", values, party lines, religion and other touchy feely stuff. But a lot of people vote based on fear. Why do you think the religious right were so successful in gathering votes for California's Prop 8? Because they played on voter's fears. We live in a "not in my backyard" society, where people would rather move away from the unwanted and the uncomfortable rather than deal with them. We also live in a hippocritical society, where we say we love our gay entertainers and talk show hosts–just not enough to let them marry and/or adopt. Someone mentioned on here that you can change attitudes, and I do believe you can. slowly but surely. Some people, though, will never be convinced gays aren't immoral, just as some will never see someone from a different race as their equal. Sometimes we get so angry about it, that all we feel we can do is yell and argue with them–it just doesn't seem to make matters better, though. I do understand your European upbringing. My mother was German (don't ask–I can't speak it), and she welcomed into our household gay friends of hers, even when I was at a very young age, and it wasn't hidden or candy-coated the fact they were gay. That was just her nature and attitude about it: C'est la vie!
I really think you need to leave her alone. She was just saying what she believes and if she lost the crown because of that question then that is just ridiculous
Re: LoserBaby! – LMFAOOO.
Re: LaLaBoo098 – She doesn't want to be left alone, she wants to be the spokesmodel for her own version of family values and apparently god's mouthpiece - interestingly she claims to have a direct line. She publicly condemned the lifestyles of others while claiming to be a christian - which makes her a hypocrite. Who cares if it cost her a crown? She's clearly found her niche, and we've clearly found our example of what not to be. It's win-win as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmm….this comment thread is still going! I have to confess I'm interested in this debate. I think the difference between the two schools of thought are that Christians think that what they believe is the right thing to do because God tells us this is what's right. To me at least, that makes it law. It's like, if God says it, I believe it, and that's it, you know? But to others who don't believe in God this attitude is ridiculous. I don't think there will ever be an agreement, and that makes me sad because I do feel sorry for those who are so misguided as to believe it's ok to be married to those of the same sex. To me it's because they don't know any better…and it makes me sad. I feel like they are missing out on being Christian, and that's not good.
Re: Rebeccagrace11 – In the United States, the law doesn't come from anyone's god, let alone christianity. Within these comments, each christian seems to have their own idea of what god's law is anyway. The Iowa Supreme Court addressed this in Varnum (the unanimous opinion written by a conservative Chief Justice) and said that no christian group could ever be the authority on gay marriage because each group has a different feeling about it - fundamentalists don't rule the day. The court also said, that in any case, the government has a duty to stay out of the religious debate, and that since marriage in the eyes of the law is a civil contract subject to the constitution, religious belief plays no part in their decision - instead, equal protection demands that all couples (in terms of sexuality) are guaranteed the right to marry. You must understand the difference between each individual religious definition of marriage (remember, some christians openly accept gay marriage and perform the ceremonies within their church) and the legal definition of marriage. This is only about the legal definition - churches can make their own rules and follow them - they already do and always have.
Re: Rebeccagrace11 – This is off topic, but I would just like to say that as an atheist who was raised christian, I resent that I spent all the time I did worried about things I was told to worry about solely because of the bible, and of course, every person I spoke to assigned a different meaning about each passage. It seems like it was a colossal waste of time. I find it interesting that you say you feel sorry people for missing out on that experience - many of my christian friends are supremely unhappy because of guilt they feel for allegedly enumerated "sins" that actually caused no harmful effect to anyone in reality. In my opinion, it doesn't take a book or a god to tell anyone the difference between right and wrong. So on the flip side, I feel sorry for people who think christianity and the bible are the be-all, end-all of life and life goals and worry about an afterlife for the worst possible reasons - i.e. be good enough to make the cut, get into heaven. I think it's impossible to know if there is any kind of "god" but if there was one it wouldn't be a christian god. Becoming an atheist takes a lot of inner reflection and brutal honesty, but for me, it's been well worth it. I feel like I see clearly now. I enjoy life much more. I only worry about things that I am certain are based in reality and at least partially worry of my concern - like this - human suffering on this earth right now, because of people like Prejean. To each his own indeed.
Re: Brains of the Operation – Okay, to your off topicishness - I respect your belief system, and your opinion, but I don't think you should judge all of Christianity on your nonacceptance of God or your friends who resent God as well. It's kind of contradicting when you judge and stereotype. There's a huge difference in religion and faith, a religion is the basis of what you believe but your faith is how you interpret your religion (i.e. the Bible). This may be why you didn't find what you needed in religion (just a guess). But it's not fair to say that just because you don't believe something - it's not true. So don't feel sorry for anyone choosing Christ; I am very happy living a life close to God. But that doesn't mean that I don't think everyone shouldn't have equal rights.
Re: blair_ – I wasn't judging - that's why I ended with "to each his own." If you read my posts I've commended christians on here who have stood up to Prejean's garbage. Don't tell me not to feel sorry for people, because I sincerely do feel sorry for people who follow christ - just like the poster before me said she feels sorry for non-believers. Why aren't you telling her not feel sorry?
Re: Brains of the Operation – Some of your previous posts about "Bible-thumpers" and what not is judgmental. I'm not trying to be offensive. And you're right, if people, like yourself, live a happy life astray from God than the post above you shouldn't feel bad for people who don't believe. I guess I'm just reacting to the "if there was a God it wouldn't be a Christian God" deal. It's offensive, to me anyway. I mean, I wouldn't say that your lack of religion is wrong just because I don't believe the same thing you do.
Re: blair_ – Ah, I see. My mistake in being too general - as you can see I am quick to respond. I assure you, any accidental broad generalizations are meant to be more pointed and direct at a certain group of people who strike me as outrageously hypocritical - Prejean's ilk. Does it sound any more agreeable to you if I rephrase to be more specific: If there was a god it wouldn't be Prejean's particular interpretation of him? Just curious. Like I said, I appreciate any christians who are willing to call her out - the more, the merrier. If I was a christian I would feel it was important to distinguish myself from her too.
Re: blair_ – i almost hate responding to you because i checked out of this debate? some time ago and run a huge risk of someone responding to this other than you. in fact i'm really not interested in a response from anyone. it has become very apparent that what takes precedence to a particular poster is not the issue at hand, however having the last word. for this reason alone, i am strangely drawn back. it's like a car wreck, you know you shouldn't look but you just can't help yourself.
Re: walrus gumboot – And here you are again after days of refusing to engage in a dialogue, answer simple and direct and relevant questions from several different posters, pretending that Blair wanted, needed, or asked for your response, fabricating some melodrama about your "risks" and once again instigating.
You say you don't want to respond, but here you are, days again, responding to someone who wasn't even talking to or about you. Get mental help.
Re: Brains of the Operation – I don't know where walrus got the idea that I needed him/her, but it's kind of amusing. And yes brains, that's a lot better, thank you for being considerate. I also don't believe that God would discriminate as she believes. And I'd just like to add, I enjoy reading your posts, you seem to be very insightful and it gives me hope that there are still some morally correct people on this earth. (:
I´m so happy that someone finally spoke the truth, no hard feeling to the queer but it seems that the whole world has gone gay, and i dont think that right. Thats want I think and what I stand by.
I guess the truth hurts Perez, but theres only help. Try Seeking God.
The bible says that man should not lust for another man nor animal. Research yout fact.
Re: Bodega – Your interpretation of the bible is no fact. Furthermore, this country's law is not based on your interpretation of the bible, or anyone's for that matter.
Re: blair_ – Thanks, and the same to you - that goes doubly for the moral people part! We need more like you. Also thanks for engaging in the discussion - I like conversing with people, especially those with differing opinions, and finding/exploring both common and uncommon ground with them. Bonus points when it's civil, logical, and spreads goodwill.
Yeah I try to keep things civil but some people are just so close minded and stubborn to go outside of their own beliefs and find that maybe they're going about things the wrong way, or are just wrong in general - it's like fighting with a brick wall…and very frustrating. At least some of us can still look at things from a different perspective.
Re: blair_ – at the time you were the last person brains responded to and for fun i sent you a message to see if she would respond to me. of course i knew she would. you didn't need me i needed you.
Re: blair_ – Yeah. I think the most important thing is just to continue to work with the people who you can - because it does count for something and every little bit helps. Attitudes can't be swayed overnight, but if nobody tries, then nothing is accomplished.