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Sublime Facing Legal Setback!

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Former members of Sublime Bud Gaugh and Eric Wilson were faced with a preliminary injunction in a California court on Tuesday, which forbids them from performing or recording under their original band name.

The estate of the band's late frontman, Bradley Nowell, are legally pushing to uphold his wishes for Sublime to never continue without him.

So, when Bud and Eric were billed last month as Sublime, eyebrows were raised and injunctions were upheld - at least until the breach-of-contract/trademark infringement suit goes to trial or a settlement is reached.

The representative for the Nowell estate, Jeremiah Reynolds, states:

"The point we tried to make is that we encourage these gentlemen to go out and play. We think they’re great musicians. We just don’t think it’s appropriate to call a group that doesn’t have Bradley and has a new lead singer Sublime. It’s consistent with Brad’s intentions that we seek to protect the name. The court agreed that Bud and Eric and the new lead singer didn’t have the right to go out and call themselves Sublime."

Gaugh and Wilson continue to fight for the right to perform as Sublime and spread the band's "message of hope and love" and $$$$$!

P.S. Was that "message of hope and love" in Date Rape or April 26, 1992?!

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46 comments to “Sublime Facing Legal Setback!”

  1. 1

    it was their band too. i am sad that nowell is gone; his dying was a horrible loss. but it's not fair to the other members of the band to say they can't be "sublime".

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  3. 3

    knucklehead please dont bring sublime up on your site they are/were too good of a band for someone of your limited taste to even report on

  4. 4

    Re: nevathisgood – couldn't have said it better myself.

  5. 5

    Bud and Eric are the founding members.

    Brad was the last to join the group.

  6. 6

    um - date rape is about woman who didn't just accept violence against her, but used the legal system to put away her abuser. i'd say that's a pretty hopeful song. what are you trying to imply?

  7. ap076 says – reply to this


    T.A.F.K.A.S. (The Artists Formally Known As Sublime)
    They may have exaggerated/overstated by saying "message of hope and love".
    But although I was never a hugh Sublime fan, the lyrics of the above mentioned songs seem to fall into the category of social commentary. In my opinion.

  8. obama says – reply to this


    who cares? One hit (if that) wonders.

  9. 9

    This is too easy! Just figure out another way to spell it but make it sound the same!

  10. 10

    date rape was satirical duh!

  11. 11

    Date Rape is against rape. 187 is about the poor uprising against the abusive police. Ummm yeah I think that fits with his message just fine, maybe listen to the songs first?

  12. 12

    I was one of these Sublime followers had the pleasure of parting with the band myself in the mid 1990's. Truthfully Sublime died with Brad. True Sublime lovers know that! It seems Bud and Eric had no problem before when they went out under Long Beach Dub All Stars. They should stick to what works. Perez, Date Rape was against rape, not for it sorry!

  13. 13

    Have you ever listened to Date Rape, Perez? I ususally agree with you but you should keep your mouth shut about Sublime. There are too many passionate fans and I am one of them.

  14. 14

    Have you ever even read the lyrics to those two songs? Of course you haven't, cause if you had…you would know that they are not about anything bad.

    You suck. Sublime is too good of a band for you to even mention on your site.

  15. 15

    Re: obama – your a fucking moron if you believe that Sublime were "one hit wonders" JACKASS

  16. 16

    Re: obama
    Ur effin DUmb! one hit wonders my ass! they are one of the best bands of all time! get a life and if u know nothing about the music get off this story! u should be stoned to death lol!

  17. 17

    You know, my husband knew and performed with these guys forever ago and we always thought of them as brothers. It wasn't like Bud & Eric were bros and Brad was over there alone. They were in it together. Yes, Brad held the reigns and gained control of the copyright before he joined the stupid idiot club and died. If his "estate" was smart, they'd play ball and let the band continue and collect a piece of the action. Instead the "estate" wants to be greedy and keep all the $$ for itself, while these 2 poor dudes have to start over. Never mind the fact that THEY were the ones out there playing crappy clubs (with my husband, hee hee) for years for peanuts. Remember, they didn't really get famous until after Brad died. Now everyone has a Sublime CD. Blood, sweat & tears. Greed is gross.

  18. 18

    have you ever listened to the lyrics of Date Rape?

  19. 19

    Have you actually listened to the song date rape? It's not a pro rape song.

  20. 20

    "P.S. Was that "message of hope and love" in Date Rape or April 26, 1992?! "

    Don't make me come up to LA from Long Beach and beat your face in until you cry Perez. You obviously know NOTHING about their music. Date Rape is a positive song. The girl charged him and won and the bastard went to jail. And April 26th "They said it was for the black man, it was for the mexican, and not for the white man, but if you look at the streets you'd know its not about Rodney King, it's these fucked up situations and these fucked up police. It's about coming up, and standing on top and screaming 187 on a mother fucking cop."

  21. 21

    Re: mai sai pak chee

    Yup, Brad's family needs to get past this shit and realize that Brad loved heroin more than any of them. ANY OF THEM. He didn't give two shits about the band when he was doping, or his music. He pawned his guitars all the time for money for smack and eric and bud had to constantly bail his ass out. His girl was a moocher and everyone knows it. Bud and Eric loved Brad more than that stupid skank could.

  22. 22

    Re: highboo

    I moved to LBC from Russia when I was 8. I first heard Sublime at Live Bait on PCH in the 40 oz to freedom days. Opie Ortiz is a good friend of mine. He tattoed the infamous Sublime across Nowell's back, and did all the album art work for both 40 oz and self titled. Sublime doesn't belong to Brad. It belongs to the city of Long Beach and all of us who grew up bumping April 26, 1992, down Anaheim…..

  23. 23

    I'm getting more disappointed with this site as time goes on. There's not enough fact checking, and this site is behind several of the other gossip sites on posting new news.

    My point for this comment, is that Date Rape, is a song AGAINST date rape - you would know that if you listened to the song. The end of the song is telling how the guy who date raped the girl is in jail getting butt rammed… "well I can't take pity on men of his kind - even tho he now takes it in the behind… DATE RAPE".

    FYI - Sublime HATED that song and only played it for rowdy crowds that asked for it. The song felt too simple to the band from what I gathered watching several interviews.

  24. 24

    the two songs in question were written to inform and hopefully bring about change. come on you knew that. quit playing stupid.

  25. 25

    What exactly do you mean with that last question? Date Rape is about reporting abusive behavior (and claims that rapists get raped in jail) which is rather karmic and very much tells dudes to start respecting women (or else). That's rather hopeful — in fact, inspirational!
    Secondly, April 26, 1992 is a song explaining to all the people who weren't in the middle of the riots exactly what happened there. It's not exactly hopeful but it places blame where it deserved to be.

    Simply put, you've never listened to these songs, have you?!?

  26. 26

    To this day my Grandma still loves the song date rape.

  27. 27

    Sublime was one of the best bands ever!!!

  28. 28

    Wow, you obviously have never listened to any of the lyrics of those songs. And for whoever said Sublime was a one hit wonder, you are mistaken. They had more than one hit, but it doesn't matter if they were a one hit wonder or not, they were an amazing band who made amazing music, and they made much much more besides Santeria and What I Got, so yeah, I'm pretty sure you can find some people out there who care.

  29. 29

    God, to see Sublime even mentioned on this stupid site breaks my heart. My biggest musical regret is not getting to see Sublime live. I was young and broke and far from SoCal when a friend turned me on to 40 oz to Freedom. To this day they are one of my all-time favorite bands.
    BTW after Bradley died the surviving members of Sublime expressed no interest in continuing to perform and record under the name Sublime. Just like Nirvana, Sublime died when Brad died.
    And to the moron who said that Bradley was the last to join the group…you are WRONG. He founded the band with Bud and Eric in 1988.

  30. 30

    You all are F'n idiots! Legally they have nothing to stand on except Brads legacy and name. Isn't it good enough for them to have been part of something LEGENDARY?!? Nooooo… for some reason these guys cant do it W/O him. (BRAD). So come up with your OWN name and make something of it. You definitley have the talent, Leave the name "Sublime" alone. The music was soley based on HIS life experiences and HIS trial and tribulations. His music has not been duplicated since his death. He was one of a kind and EVERYONE knows it. Also his addiction died with him so letting some other "STRUNG OUT" band member carry the name would be a huge slap in the face to his only child and family.

  31. 31

    Don't fucking bring up Sublime! They will ALWAYS be held to a HIGHER STANDARD that fucking LADY GAGA or stupid ass Rihanna! Puhh-lease! There music was about REAL issues not fucking DISCO STICKS! So before you bring up one of the greatest bands alive, INFORM your dumbfuck self about the message in there music. NOT ALL MUSICIANS make there lyrics so clear, good music will make YOU think! That being said, stick to celebritys. That's your job, that's how you make your money and that's what your good and funny at. I love your site except when it comes to the MUSIC subject. In my opinion POP is shit…….? I do thank you for signing Sliimy he is ACTUALLY good. Hope he doesn't get sucked into SHITTY shit.

  32. 32

    Re: ughughughugh – I'm well aware I made a shit load of spelling errors, I was irritated and needed to get out what I had to say.

  33. 33

    Call yourselves Subliminal and call it a day or New Sublime or Sublime with Rome. His bitch wife has Courtney Love/Yoko Ono complex.

  34. 34

    Re: collectdust
    Yeah. This fuckwad Perez wouldn't know that though because he was listening to Kylie amd whatever else pop-BS he found "cool" when Sublime was blowing up. I bet he's never even listened to the words that Brad sang…bitch-ass pink-haired poser.

  35. 35

    Re: Shonka1 – You are a NitWit. THEY DID MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES…IT'S CALLED SUBLIME FUCKTARD! Isn't it good enough for his "estate" to simply sit back and collect royalties for doing absolutely nothing? These dudes were out there every night playing with Brad…not his parents and his girlfriend. Legally they are fucked because they were young and dumb and trusted the guy running the business of the band…who went on to kill himself with too much drugs. I guess, according to you, these 2 guys contributed nothing to the music's creation and were simply studio musicians. It was all 1 guy? Wrong! It was NEVER Sublime, featuring Brad. It was just Sublime.

  36. 36

    Re: collectdust – Whatever he's trying to imply, it's shit. He clearly has no concept of good music ;)

  37. 37

    yeah dude maybe some things u should'nt talk about. I get it u like to pretend ur calling people out on their BS when all ur doing is annoying everyone around you. nevertheless thats what u chose to be known for so i wont knock u. i will however ask for u not to talk about things u dont know much about. Bradley WAS Sublime and to bring out some kid from you tube to try to take on that title is just wrong. its cool that you write about people that u know or think u know, but u have never listened to a Sublime track that wasnt on the radio so again i say DONT TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU DONT KNOW!

  38. 38

    please - like you've even listened to date rape or April 26th 1992. if you had, you'd know that date rape is about a woman sending the man who abused her to prison, and april 26th is about the corruption of the american police force, as well as the rodney king riots. you know nothing idiot.

  39. 39

    Losing Bradley was a terrible day for music. And, Perez…have you actually LISTENED to the words of Date Rape. It was not a song promoting the act.

  40. 40

    Are you really gonna take a side to this when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about? Sublime DID stand for a message of hope and love. Date Rape and April 26, 1992 were both about standing up for yourself and your rights. Maybe you should research what you're talking about before you go on dogging on good people and making yourself look like a fucking idiot.

  41. 41


    You don't even have to listen to it idiot, just fuckin read the lyrics.

  42. 42

    If they end up having to change the name, they should go by: "SubtleLime". That ought to take care of the legality crap and fits the band perfectly. They are still Sublime in spirit…….just subtle about it. : )

  43. 43

    I firmly dissagree with your comments perez?? For the money haha - do you think that bud and eric thought to themlselves hey you know what 13 years from now lets try to tour as sublime i think that will be a long enough wait?? No theyve been working ever since making it on there own just as the three of them did b4! do you get paid to have this website?? if you do then ive got no worries about my future career cause youve got no idea what your talking about and still have a website?? and the music is about love peace and being yourself and being proud of it! shit he wrote date rape and april cuz he had a bad day - sheeit! nothings perfect! but sublime damn near was! Ha

  44. 44

    While you may not have any grasp about the meaning of the songs Date Rape and April 26, 1992… you hit the nail on the head otherwise. This is about money. Bud and Eric aren't pulling money without the name, and they know it. So they want to revive the name, to sell tickets. Fortunately there's a world of Mtv fans that will eat it up. But those of us around since Brad's days alive, know better. The family will profit either way. And I wish they'd stop with all the merch and crap, but, it seems that Bud and Eric require the use of the name to make it in this harsh world.

    way to fight the system and sell out, guys!

    But, the sad truth is, even if they use the name, the last 13 years of unsuccessful bands is a pretty good indication that it's most likely not going to help to use the name. So stop trying to tarnish what Sublime means to old school fans, and give your young audience a new fresh name, and bank on talent, instead of media marketing and a brand name that sells.

  45. 45

    Re: mai sai pak chee

    you're completely retarded.

  46. 46

    Re: highboo

    For 13 years Bud and Eric have maintained that the greedy industry has tried to replace Brad. And that the only reason to do so was to make money. Last year Bud was saying that it was Brad's wish not to be replaced, and they honored his wishes. 5 years ago, they would have told you what gave Sublime it's magic. BRAD! All of the sudden. And after much begging, Rome admitted that they had to seriously convince Bud to come on board. After years and years of sticking up for Brad and being on the same side as his family, they flipped it. It's about money, but, it's got nothing to do with the family. They profit no matter what. Jakob does. 13 years, they told us that they would never disrespect Brad and reform a new band and use the name Sublime. But, the new manager convinced them they can't make it without the name. That's all it is. Money. They bought into the system they've been against for decades. If this was about music and talent, they'd move on, give it a new name, bill as "with members from Sublime" since half the people have no idea who they are, unless they are old school, like us older people. And bank on their skills. It's LAZY to use a name that's already famous. Can you imagine if the remaining members of Nirvana pulled this shit? They never did, because they realized who's ride they were on, and then they went on to make their own ride. THAT'S TALENT! this is just disgusting.