Guiliana Rancic Responds To Whoopi!
We called it!!
After appearing on the View to discuss her problems conceiving, Giuliana Rancic was basically OWNED by our girl Whoopi, who straight up told her to put on the weight she needed to so she could conceive properly!!
Well, Guiliana attempted to respond to Whoopi in the interview above.
Rancic claims that weight isn't the issue, and to look at skinny folks like Nicole Richie - who has popped out two kids.
Hmm. We think you need to stop talking about how you COULD eat that plate of pasta in front of you and actually do it!!































































I have a CRAZY idea: Try gaining some reasonable weight first. THEN, if conception doesn't happen after a year, seek help. Start with the simple options. I have a feeling that she'd rather skip a little weight gain and go to extreme measures instead. :*(
This is BS I have 3 kids and wear a 00!!! So not the issue!!
And really I'm so tired of overweight ppl bashing skinny ppl, some of us ARE naturally skinny!! Just bc everyone else can't stop shoving pound cake down, doesn't mean they should take it out on us!
And we all know that FAT women have trouble conceiving - and a LOT of trouble carrying babies too — right?
Guiliana needs to seriously shut her trap! I mean who is dumb bimbo trying to fool? She hasn't even gotten pregnant yet and the whore is already complaining? Give me a fucking break! If she can't eat now with her skin and bones alone then who is she going to do it when she carries a child inside her? She's so vain to think about poor me and me and yeah me. If its so hard for that old hag to conceive and she can't eat to save her life or gain an ounce then why not have a surrogate mother or adopt a child? I'm glad Whoopi put her in her place and Guiliana needs to stop making excuses….she's just another Hollywood dumbass.
You people are fucking morons, you act as if there are only 2 sizes: skinny and overweight. Just because someone tells someone else to gain a few pounds because they're obviously too skinny doesn't mean someone's "hating" and telling them to be fat. It means they look like a Holocaust victim and need to eat a fucking cheeseburger.
Everyone's Body Is Different!
Maybe She Should Gain Those Stupid
5-10 Pounds And Keep Trying For A Baby!
Re: pinkangelmonkey – Agree with you ENTIRELY !
Yawnnnnn……
Yeah. If you want a healthy baby you have to eat lots of healthy food! DUH!
On the other hand it's probably just as unhealthy for women to have babies while obese.
I love Whoopi and all but that show the View is so terrible. Why do they all have to yell all over each other at ths same time? How can any points come across? I don't get it!
Giuliana Rancic has a body of a 11 year old..
Re: pinkangelmonkey – Giuliana really doesn't look as if she is just naturally skinny. If you look at her pictures from a few years ago she was slightly more full looking. I think gaining ten pounds would possibly help her, and if it doesn't help she could always lose the extra ten pounds again
Well, she's so selfish to wait SO long to have kids because of her career, now when she's old she thinks about kids. When you are young, like Nicole Richie, I don't think being skinny is a problem ( well, not extremes, like bulimic or obese ). Giuliana is old AND skinny. I don't think that's a good combination.
Guiliana just noted that her doctor said that. Whoopi just snatched onto it and started ragging on her. I felt bad for Guiliana, she was just bringing up some obstacles they had. It was painful to watch Whoopi slam on her.
Whoopie Goldberg neds to mind her own fucking bizness! Who the hell is SHE to tell somebody about their weight? That bitch used to weigh 300lbs! What if somebody told her, "Stop cramming your face and you'll lose weight, Fatso!"? Her and OPRAH need to STFU!!
It's not like someone suggested she gain 75 pounds. Women who are to skinny for their body type sometimes don't have normal cycles and the same goes for some women who have to much fat on their bodies. To me Guiliana looks a bit to skinny and that may be her issue or it may not be but I think she should at least try to gain an extra ten before going to extremes.
If nicole can conceive without gaining weight then great, but everyones body is different… And nicole is much younger. I'm skinny and I say put the weight on, girl. Its not skinny bashing, its healthy living. Don't you wana have the healthiest possible pregnancy??
JUST SHUT UP WHOOOPI!!!
But didn't Nichole Richie also start conceiving once when she started to look more healthy as well? hmmm
If anything it's only 5 pounds extra not 30 pounds extra. If she really wants a child she should at LEAST see this option first before saying "Oh I can't!"
Re: Junk_in_my_Trunk – You do mean an eleven year old BOY. Right?
does whoopi know why guiliana is not conceiving? I heard that she is not ovulating regularly, but, that does not mean it is because of her weight. I was slightly overweight and had the same thing. lost the weight and still had the same problem. There are plenty of women at the right weight who have fertility problems. what did her Dr. say? wouldn't he know better than whoopi? OH, I forgot. Hollywood celebrities are Gods and know better than mere mortals. forgive me.
Perez, i saw this "news" on Friday. Stop sucking up to celebrities and do your job (hating on other celebrities, that is)
If this skinny bitch is having issues other than needing to gain weight - she should talk about them. Dont just blame it on weight and then say you don't want to gain weight. If she's having other issues that she doesn't want to talk about - she should say that. Sounds to me that she's too selfish to have a baby anyways if all she cares about is how she looks. Has she forgotten that she'll gain weight during the pregnancy? Is she going to starve herself while being pregnant? This chick should adopt or have a surrogate if she's that self-centered. Just because Nicole Ritchie was anorexic and still managed to conceive doesn't mean that she will. Look at Nicole now - she's healthy and beautiful because she knows better after having children.
She has said she's addicted to going to the gym so maybe she should just cut down on exercise time to gain the weight.
Re: hateliars – Her doctor did say that gaining 5-10 pounds could help with her ovulating problem. It's all on eonline!
Re: pinkangelmonkey – @ 2 - actually for some (I'd bet including her) weight is the problem……studies most definitely show if a woman is underweight (and Guiliana is- just look at her) she'll have trouble conceiving……
Girl has enough money to pay for the best fertility doctors. Just consult then do it…quit griping about it. Lots of every day people have this problem. If you want children bad enough…you will find a way.
People are such hypocrites… When a celebrity is "fat" like Jessica Simpson and Kelly Clarkson she is highly criticized… Then comes Guiliana, a woman who looks like she takes care of herself by going to the gym and she honestly admits that in her line of work being in shape is a must, and we all jump to criticize her. I wonder how many times has Whoopi been scrutinized by her looks… Whoppi saying "To hell with that girl" is completely disrespectful, that's how they treat their former guests???? People need to understand that while we might not like it, in the entertainment industry looks do matter. Perez sure knows since his new year's resolution of the past year has been to lose weight. Guiliana realizes that in order to criticize the red carpet, she too has to look good. Meanwhile Whoppi uses baggy clothes and sits around a table whilst criticizing other.
I wonder if it the other way aroud, had it been so much controversy??? I wonder what would have happened if Kirstie Alley decided to have a baby, and couldnt because of her weight… what would people say??
Maybe these two are just not meant to have kids naturally. Why don't they go adopt a homeless child in the US.
I call bullshit on Guiliana, she had plenty of time to explain her side. She just wanted people to feel sorry for her and it didn't work. Some people are naturally thin and there is nothing wrong with that but I agree with Whoopi 100 percent. If she wanted a baby as bad as she says she does (and not just for the reality show you know E! is going to give her) the weight gain wouldn't even be an issue. A mother would give or go through anything for her child and its obvious she doesn't want to be a mom as much as she says she does.
i watch her on E! everyday and she is kinda skinny. you can tell hollywood has gotten to her brain if she's flipping out about gaining 5 or 10 pounds which she could use. she looks kinda nasty hosting the red carpet.
I don't think she is "naturally thin" first off. There are few who are. Stop complaining, gain the weight, try, then see a doctor, have a kid, have a tummy tuck, then hit the gym and diet!! Normal non celebrity people do without the tummy tuck everyday, it isn't hard, but it isn't fast either!!!!
OMG!! How many more times can she actually say "I get it".. Being an "interviewer", you would think she could carry on a conversation better than that!
When I was an anorexic, I got down to a very unhealthy weight (and was a size 0) I didn't get a period for 1 1/2 years. I didn't have enough body fat to ovulate. My dr's also told me to gain 10lbs and my periods would come back. But, I since I was mentally sick as well as physically sick, gaining that weight wasn't going to happen. When I finally got treatment for my ED, and learned to accept the fact that I did have a mental disorder and that it's ok to eat, I finally got healthy and sure enough, they did come back. I understand that Guliana has a high profile job and she is in the spotlight constantly, so she is obviously going to be self conscious about how she looks on tv (her job depends on her looks) so she may be apprehensive about putting weight on, but if she is truly desperate to have a child, she needs to refocus herself and her priorities and do whatever it takes for that to happen. If gaining 10lbs is going to possibly help her chances of conception, then she should just bite the bullet and do it, if that's what her drs really feel is the main cause of her infertility. People who have never had an ED don't understand what kind of hell one is living in, so I can see why Whoopi doesn't "get" why she just doesn't eat. But bottom line it's her decision to gain weight or not. I hope that if she does have a problem, that she gets the help that she needs.
ramble ramble ramble……..
the one who talks the most is the patient
Here's some harshness - I'd prefer children be born to thin mothers that hippo-fatties who will teach their children the same bad habits.
Just my rude 2 cents . . .
the view bitches r a bunch of bullies f them
I think all of the bitches here who are getting all fired about defending super-skinny people must be the bulimics and anorexics.
Really what's 5-10 pounds and esp. on her.
She has no muscle tone on her arms/shoulders & it looks gross. She's doesn't look fit she looks like she has an eating disorder.
I work in the physical fitness realm and she doesn't look fit or healthy.
I hope she doesn't lose weight and doesn't have children.
Anyone that is too selfish to sacrifice and gain 5-10 pounds to conceive is certainly not ready to be a parent.
Re: Lulu-2 – right? if you knew why are you asking us?
If the doctors say that you should gain some weight, GAIN SOME WEIGHT.
I like Guiliana and all, but girl's gotta take the advice from the doctor.
Just eat. If this is the one shot that you have at conceiving, and you really want a baby that bad, then you need to do what you have to do.
I love them, Whoopi too. Some people are naturally skinny and can't gain the weight. I was watching something online the other day and people were 'juice feasting' before conceiving their kids. It's drinking raw organic juices, nut milks and soups for 96 days and cleansing the body. They said it works everytime. If the live in L.A this should be easy for them with all the raw food restaurants. Good luck.
Ummmm, can't compare yourself to nicole honey, isn't she like 10 years younger?
I don't think it's the fact that she can't gain any weight, i think it's that she sounds like she doesn't want to.
……..Guliana was pretty and healthly looking then suddenly one day i looked at the t.v and saw this person with a head that appeared too big for her body…..she looked better brunette too…….
I am not a doctor, so I dont know if putting on weight does help people conceive. But I do know that Whoppi is sure as hell not a doctor as well and for her to say something as "Put on weight" is beyond disrespectful and wrong. For a naturally skinny person (or even someone who lives a healthy lifestyle) to hear words like that is just as hurtful as if an overweight person heard the words "Lose some weight" being told at them on national television. From someone who struggled with insecurity most of my life because Im naturally skinny, it bothers me that people still think its ok to make fun of/or say hurtful things to underweight people. Newsflash, some of us did not choose this body! so let have the same respect as everyone else
I used to work at E! and That chick is SOOOOO skinny it's actually gross. The camera is actually making her look a bit heavier.
Giuliana Rancic: you can see her bones in her arms, all the bones in her back stick out. the girl has no hips AT ALL. you need hips to push out a baby and store it.
I am 5'9" an skinny and I weigh 120 lbs. sounds thin? I've been pregnant twice.
All the women I know that can't get pregnant look like they are all malnutrition, eating fat free foods at less than 100 lbs and seem to blame everything but themselves on their lack of getting pregnant.
maybe it's her age, she isn't even in the same age or caliber as nicole ritchie.
on HER defense, im 34 yrs old, i have 3 kids and i have never weighed over 105 (other than, when i was pregnant) AND my favorite thing to do is EAT!!!! im not sick, i dont throw up after every meal, thats just who i am - skinny - lucky me, huh
Re: hateliars – the doctor's were the one's telling her to gain the weight!
Whoopie is the most disrespectful bitch ever. For her to say " to hell with her" is just WRONG.. What a loser. And for the assmuch who says Jessica Simpson is fat.. Get your fucking head examined.. She wears a size 2. And in the mom jeans ( watch Oprah when Jes is on ) she was in a size 4.. that is NOT FAT. GET A CLUE.
since when do the opinions of the ladies of the View have so much credibility …
Giuliana said that she doesn't have a normal menstrual cycle and the doctor told her she needed to gain weight? Well, then she needs to take the doctor's advice.
Skinny women concieve all the time. Women who have been anorexic to the point it destroys their cycle don't. Listen to your doctor, G. If he says your weight is an issue, it's probably because it is.
Giuliana said that she doesn't have a normal menstrual cycle and the doctor told her she needed to gain weight? Well, then she needs to take the doctor's advice.
Skinny women concieve all the time. Women who have been anorexic to the point it destroys their cycle don't. Listen to your doctor, G. If he says your weight is an issue, it's probably because it is.
I wonder if they're getting paid for this interview. Is that why its so long.
DO THESE 2 EVEN HAVE SEX???
i seriously want to know lol…….and rather than going on national tv bitching and moaning bout how she cant have a baby she could've used these 4 minutes to fuck Bill, it really shouldnt be that hard.
Thank God i dont want kids, even when you try to have a baby and cant there seems to be major frustration. I love how pissed off Whoopie gets lol, totally reminds me of me!
Blah, blah, blah. I couldn't even bother listening the entire interview. This is like women who are having trouble conceiving and still smoking cig's. Hellooooooo! There are tons of factors that play into a couple's ability to conceive a child. But it sure seems like you would want to address the most OBVIOUS issues as a START if you're having trouble! Please.
I personally think Guiliana is too stressed out to get pregnant. I can see how the pressures of her job, her appearance, and now trying to get pregnant is getting to her. Also, trying to balance it all & it doesn't help to have an unempathetic or helpful person like Whoopie judging and slamming her. Whoopie does not have children. Whoopie is very selfish and arrogant to do what she did - trying to shame Guiliana to do what she wants. Whoopie needs to understand that unless she's going to be a positive influence in someone's life she need not add to that person's troubles - thus hindering Guiliana's chances of pregnancy even more!
The difference between Nicole Richie and Giuliana is age. Nicole is at least 10 years younger than her, it makes a difference.
1st of all she is naturally skinny!! There are like 2% of us out there that are just meant to be thin! Im 5'7 and weigh 104lbs. I could eat 50 big macs and 5 pizzas and still be thin! Ive TRIED gaining 10lbs for yrs now.. and it just doesnt happen.
I also have a friend who cant get pregnant she gained the weight and still nothing. as long as you OVULATE PEOPLE@!!! If shes getting her period and she see cervical muscus changes then food is NOT an issue! ALSO gulianna is 35! she cant TRY for a year she CANT TRY and gain 10lbs. She doesnt have the time! She needs to do fertility treatments now. The better change for it to work! My friend did the turkey baster method. and NOTHING! Some people have underlining issues. stop bashing her. if u dont like her dont watch her! Dont be mean karma will come get u one day
pinkangel moinkey she is not naturally thin. She has been a more healthy looking weight but is choosing to look this way for the cameras. You can be a 00 and be healthy but it seems very rare that this is the case for th average woman.
There are more body types than skinny and overweight and she said that the doctor said she needs to gain weight not random internet people.
FYI: Nicole Richie did gain weight around the time of her pregnancy and has stayed at healthy weight ever since.
or not. it's probably better that that gene pool not replicate. Dear god, the child's eyes would be so far apart, they'd be on the back of its head.
Oh and one more thing.. gulianna didnt say she didnt wanna gain 5-10lbs did she?
Im not sure ho wtall she is.. or what she weighs. I dont think she is scarey skinny. If she isnt getting reg periods ever month well thats the prob. it may be from too much excercise like running. I know a girl 38 who got preg 1st try.. everyone is different,, shes prob stressing out and now with all these hateful comments! I never liked her much either til i watched her on her new show. I like her and Bill.. they are cute together. why are all you people concered with what she does with her life? jealous of their money and fame>> yes I think so.
Weight rarely has anything to do with it. Unless she is not menstruating b/c of her weight, obviously. But if she is menstruation normally then she can be skinny and still have the same level of fertility. Stupid Whoopi. Rancic is skinny but she ain't anorexic. Whoopi is just jealous or something, and rightfully so.
The weight thing really depends on the individual person. Saying weight is not an issue w/conception is a lie. Some women have problems ovulating at a low weight or a high weight it depends on that person. Guiliana is a fucking idiot to compare herself to Nicole Richie who is 5'1, so 100 lbs is about normal for Nicole. Now, Guiliana is 5'8 and weighs 120, just saying its not a very equal comparison. All this being said, Guilianna has the body of man with fake tits and an E.T. head, may be she's not getting preggers b/c her husband can't stand to fuck her.
Re: pinkangelmonkey – i agree!!! i hate people telling me that i look sick just cause i don't 45000 calories a day!
Nicole Richie is younger than 35 years old. Guiliana needs to stop comparing herself to others. What about during pregnancy? Is she going to be willing to gain some weight for her baby?
The point is that her doctor told her to gain weight. 5 pounds. She is going against her Dr.'s advice. Her husband wants her to gain the weight. She won't do it. What a horrible example she is setting and it will serve her right if her vanity prevents her from having a baby.
I currently weigh 96 pounds, and have two healthy and perfect children. When I concieved each child, I was weighed at the doctors office about one week before conception (ovulation check) and with my first child at that visit I weighed 88 pounds (I'm 5'2" btw) and the second (child) I weighed 89 pounds. In fact, I knew I was pregnant BECAUSE I gained so much weight just after I concieved, and yes, I was on fertility drugs. While pregnant, I gained over 150 (!!) pounds with my daughter, and only about 80 with my son. Naturally, I went back down to my normal weight. Not for dieting or excercise- I don't do either, except for the fact that when I go below 100 I get back on a weight GAIN diet, which consists of setting my kitchen timer, phone, ipod, or whatever for every 2 hours- and I don't shut off the alarm until I have food in my mouth. Face the facts people, some people actually have to struggle to gain weight, just like some people have to struggle to lose it. And yes- I do find most of my clothes in the children's sections!
Re: TuMadre24 – This bobblehead needs to STFU and go away.I agree with you.It probably has more to do with her age.She said that herself.Fertility peaks when you are in your 20's.Dumb bitches like her always put their careers first and then start boohooing when they can't get pregnant. Adopt or shut up
BTW her last name should be Rancid because that would describe her eggs!!
Re: pinkangelmonkey – listening to skinny bitches whine because it's so hard to be them is like listening to white people complain about reverse racism.
Sure Nicole Richie and Angelina Jolie were thin when they had babies, but they're also younger.
If the Dr. said gain 10 lbs- GAIN 10LBS!! And is it just me or does when she say she gained 5- the look on her hubby's face says that she's lying…. She looks like a lolipop head, that means TOO SKINNY. I'm sorry Guliana, but if you REALLY, REALLY,REALLY want that baby- gain 5lbs.!
Re: Junk_in_my_Trunk – My 11 year old looks WAY healthier than Guiliana. Maybe if she did gain some weight, her head wouldn't look so freaking HUGE!!!!! Lord, her head looks like a light bulb on top of a pencil!!! Have you ever seen such a big forehead???????
I hate The View. Who cares what those dumb bitches think.
God she's such a whiner. I can't stand her.
I CAN'T EVEN LISTEN TO THIS STUPID BITCH!!!!!!!!!!! SHE DOESN'T EVEN DESERVE TO CONCEIVE! WHOOPI IS RIGHT THOUGH…
I LOVE HOW J\GIULIANA SAYS "I'M IN THIS INDUSTRY" - BITCH GET OVER YOURSELF YOU'RE A FUCKIN HOST AND NO ONE EVEN PAYS ATTENTION TO!
I saw the original interview. In that interview this lady said "MY Doctor told me I should gain 5-10lbs because I wasn't menstruating regularly". In other words she was too skinny. A sign your too skinny for a woman is that her [periods are irregular.
So she is an idiot and a liar. So chances are her kid would be an idiot too. So she shouldn't have kids.
Well, Whoopie is so harsh with her delivery…with that said, it is not easy for all of us to conceive. It took me years, tests and ended up with a beautiful child after 6 years of trying. It's not "food", it's wrong of her to say that is the reason. I hope Guiliana and Bill relax alittle, and just enjoy each other. If it's meant to be they will have a baby. If it's not ..so many children are in need of a family and a good home. I wish them only happines.
geez, just eat a sandwich already, ya freaking toothpick… If I were your man, I'd be scared to screw you for fear of snapping you in half……
geez, just eat a sandwich already, ya freakish toothpick… If I were your man, I'd be scared to screw you for fear of snapping you in half……
she looks really uncomfortable chewing that food and swallowing it. I think she has a problem with anorexia. She is way too thin and if u have seen her in the past before, she was thicker. Not a whole lot but she was heavier. I believe its best she does not conceive a child, since she is way too into herself and bringing a child into that relationship thats all about her would be sad for the kid. with my first son I was very thin, and underweight for my height, but I ate all the time actually tried to put on weight but conceived very easily but also I was 20 . I think her age has a lot to do with it combined with her lack of weight, its not going to happen.
Pink-
I 100% agree! Some people are naturally thin and its wrong to criticize….
HOWEVER….
1. I don't think her body weight is genetic.
She might be more prone to sustain a thinner body, but based on what
she was saying it seems as though she works hard to make it even
thinner. Which is fine, but it may not be healthy weight her body
genetically needs to create a baby
2. If she wants this baby she needs to stop being vain and start creating an environment to create a healthy baby
ano/bel.. do ya really think i haven't heard that one before? SSDD.. I never said it was "hard" being skinny actually I do nothing at all to be the way I am and am happy with myself and there IS white racism, its just not brought up the way other racism is WHINED about. Lemme guess fat black girl? yeah thought so! I said I'm tired of the hippos putting down skinny girls because they can't seem to figure out how to be like the world thinks woman should look like. Oh and last but not least She said she DID gain 5 lbs! like her doctor told her too! She also said that is NOT the issue! C,mon ppl pay attention before you run your mouths ugg
If doctors are telling her weight is not the issue, then it's not! I personally love Giuliana Rancic, and I don't know who would blame a women for not being able to conceive if it's not her fault. Shame on you, Whoopi and Perez!!
Re: tigrrrlilly – Wow- you are either a miserable person, huge, or just nuts. Some people (even those of us who ARE naturally thin or have medical problems that leads them to not be able to gain weight) just flat out have problems concieving. Some people, regardless of their age (and that includes men who cannot produce enough sperm) need help- like fertility treatments. Perhaps you can stop being so cranky and open your mind a little.
Re: barkersmovies – Or perhaps she just has irregular cycles. That DOES happen to people of all weights, you know. I know several people, much bigger than me, that had problems with irregular cycles, went and got that fixed, and have healthy and happy children.
Re: pinkangelmonkey – do not add pink in front of any name u shame it , and just cause ur bones doesnt mean shit yes some ppl are naturally skinny but some ppl get big such as thyroid disease and other factors and unless you are under freaking 5'2 its not healthy to be a 00. so stop avoiding the pound cake and stuff it up!
some of these post are from ppl that r so delusional its gross. it's not right for someone to be to fat or too thin, but if you're trying to have a baby do whats right for the baby or just fucking adopt one dammit. I dont like way too fat ppl or way too skinny. if you know u dont look good either way don't get piss off either side and point the fucking finger. GET HEALTHY!!!
Re: tigrrrlilly – high five to that
btw i also like how this conversation is being taped in a eating establishment .
Nicole is also a decade younger; women seem to in denial about the difficulties of conception as you age, the 20s are the time to get preggers.
Re: pinkangelmonkey – grow up, little girl.
People are just jealous cause most of this world is fucking fat…. and most women cant lose weight to save their lives. Some people are just naturally skinny like myself, and have good genes. GET OVER IT FAT ASSES!
Whoopi is a fat ass man-bitch. Does that bitch even have any kids? Probably not - because she's too fat and A MAN. She's just pissed. I had trouble conceiving and guess what? The doctor said to lose weight! As long as you have a period DR. FUCKING WHOOPI then you aren't too skinny. Who could be mean to Guiliana? She is terrific. WHY DO PEOPLE WATCH THE FUCKING VIEW????
GUILIANA IS RIDICULOUSLY SKINNY, BUT I DONT THINK SHES ANO, SHE PROB WORKS OUT TOO MUCH…. HER VAJAY JUST DON'T WORK, LOL. I KIDD, JUST RELAX AND IT COULD HAPPEN.
GUILI IS LOOKING A LIL HARSH…MMM DAYUM. GO BACK TO THE DARKER HAIR.
I know very little about Guiliana, but Whoopi is full of b*llsh*t on this one and should apologize.
i think j-los jusband skeletor and this ugly twig guilana rancid .. should marry .. a match made in heaven..