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More Disturbing Details Emerge From The MJ Murder Hearing

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This certainly isn't going to help his case.

As the preliminary hearing against Dr. Conrad Murray for the murder of Michael Jackson continued yesterday, yet more shady details about the day the pop star passed are coming out, thanks to a testimony from a Paramedic and security guard who were both at the scene.

El Lay County Paramedic Richard Senneff took the stand to reveal that when the ambulance arrived at the Jackson home on June 25, 2009, at 12:26pm, the singer appeared already to be quite dead, despite Dr. Murray's claims.

Senneff explains:

"When I picked him up, his legs were quite cool. His eyes were quite dry."

He went on to testify that no pulse was detected, and a heart monitor showed that Jackson had flatlined.

He also asserted that Murray claimed that Jackson had only been given a dose of lorazepam to help him sleep, and had only just collapsed, which Shereff thought "didn't add up."

Even more disturbing, however, is the account from Jackon's former security chief, Faheem Muhammed, that Murray didn't know how to administer CPR properly!

He explained that when he and bodyguard Alberto Alvarez entered the room, they found the doctor crouched down "in a panicked state asking, 'Does anyone know CPR?' I looked at Alberto because we knew Dr. Murray was a heart surgeon, so we were shocked. The way that he asked it is as if he didn't know CPR." and that during the entire ordeal, his boss appeared dead, with his "eyes open and his mouth open, just laying there."

Unbelievable.

The more about this day that comes out, the more horrific and preventable this entire tragedy seems.

Our heart goes out to the Jackson family, whom we're sure must be struggling to endure this entire mess all over again.

This NEEDS to go to trial, and this man needs to be held accountable for his negligence!

Thoughts??

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75 comments to “More Disturbing Details Emerge From The MJ Murder Hearing”



  1. 1

    Whether you liked Michael Jackson or not, it sounds like this man was a major influence in those three beautiful children losing their father.



  2. 2

    Why are you showing concern now Perez? At the time you said MJ was doing it for a publicity stunt to get out of the shows. You are sick.



  3. 3

    Where can I send Dr. Murray a condolence card? I am so sorry he was the guy left holding the bag for the addict that was Michael Jackson. All this coverage and not one person is holding Michael Jackson responsible for his own death. Michael may not have stuck that needle in but his way of conducting his own health care is shameful and he needs to be held accountable for his own death. Not Conrad Murray.



  4. 4

    perez- while i love your site.. i CANT STAND how you give your personal opinion about everything. you are not god, nor are you perfect. frankly, your a self-righteous asshole and a judgmental prick. you make it sound like you are better than everyone and give your opinion about everything. half the time u sound like a complete moron. if the man is on trial for ATTEMPTED MURDER… it cant be NEGLIGENCE… read a book.



  5. 5

    Oh yeah, the poor jackson family, morning over the death of their meal ticket. These are disgusting people that used him his whole life, and you feel bad for them. Give me a fucking break. Also, MJ was a druggie, he chose to stay high ALL THE TIME, i hate when people go on witch hunts to find someone to blame, and never place the responsibilty on the party it belongs to. To bad the rest of that horid jackson clan doesn't follow the kiddie toucher to the grave.



  6. 6

    Re: dmn8894 – key words - HIS SITE! If you dont like his comments on HIS SITE then dont fucking read it. Stupid Ass!!!!



  7. 7

    Who ever killed Michael Jackson deserves a medal. Thank you for ridding the world of that piece of crap.



  8. 8

    why can't it be both Michael's fault and Dr. Murray's fault? Yes, Michael met with the consequences of his actions by losing his life, however Dr. Murray wasn't equipped to be administering Propofol. Why are doctor's required to follow certain protocol? Dr. Murray did not follow the rules and did not have the proper equipment to be taking that on.



  9. 9

    Re: cbfangirl123
    It maybe his site but to be as ignorant an uneducated as PH is, and taking payment from people to run (so called) news and advertising — he's no journalist and he can't even get through a day without butchering the English language. He should at least be responsible enough to have learned a thing or two in the time he's been running "his site" — instead, he only goes on to prove daily that he doesn't know how to proof read and he cannot spell nor write complete sentences



  10. 10

    It breaks my heart.



  11. 11

    Re: mattyesmateo – Well if you feel that way, why don't you go to the courthouse tomorrow and hand deliver the card to Murray in front of Michael's family and friends?? Don't talk about it, be about it. You are just another person on this site who is all talk. Murray should be held accountable for killing his patient and that is exactly why this case WILL be going to trial and hopefully more then just Involuntary Manslaughter will be thrown at him.



  12. 12

    And Murray had the nerve to tell the papparazzi while he was shopping yesterday that he loves Mrs. Jackson and hates to see her hurting. And says he loves her like his own mother. Well really? I guess all that love he had for Mrs. Katherine went out the front door when he was killing her child. I said from the very beginning when their was talks about him calling his assistants and waiting forever and a day to call 911 that he was covering something up. Now with all these latest developments (some of which being old) it is extremely clear to see that he was covering his ass like crazy. He knew Michael had passed away way before he even started trying giving CPR on the bed. He want the paramedics to take Michael to the hospital probably hoping that it would look like he passed away at the hospital but in actuality he had been gone at the house.



  13. 13

    All of this is a bunch of bull****! Murray's lawyers are stooping to incredible lows to try and make their client look innocent. First they said "The amount of Propofol given to Michael was not enough to kill him." Then they say "Well it's possible someone else could have given it to him." Then it changed to "Michael could have possibly given himself the fatal dose." Now that the paramedics were called in to testify they are now trying to make Michael look like an addict by asking the paramedic during cross examination if having collapsed veins is a sign of a drug addict. Are you serious? Their are MANY causes for having collapsed veins. Dehyration (which Michael was dehydrated) is a cause. Age is a cause and just having bad veins is a cause. My Grandmother suffers from insomnia and has collapsed veins and she has never done drugs a day in her life. She is even scared to take sleeping pills and she could use them. She has fibromyalgia and a good treatment for that is marijuana and she won't touch the stuff. They even brought up the fact that Michael was cold and his feet were black and blue. Well leave a person lying dead for awhile and crap like that tends to happen. Wonder what they'll come up with next?



  14. 14

    Re: irelandfrench – I agree. A reputable doctor wouldn't have given Michael the "treatment" that he wanted, so he got someone sketchy who would. No big shock that it turned out bad. That doesn't excuse Murray for being sketchy and administering "treatment" that he knew wasn't ethical. Michael paid the ultimate price, now it's Murray's turn to face up to what he did.



  15. 15

    Soon after Michael's death questions were brought up as to why Murray did not call 911? The first answer to that was because he didn't know the address. First of all when 911 is called they pinpoint the address without you even telling them. Secondly he called up Michael's security guards and even Michael's son so if he was that damn in need of the address he sure could have asked them, right? But shortly after Michael's death we find out that Murray was making phone calls left and right around the time that Michael was found to be not breathing. Apparently phone calls were made to his girlfriend and to some assistants of his. Now we find out that he was also texting back and forth! WTH!! SHADY. Why in the world was he trying to hide stuff? Why did he ask for the key back to the house while at the hospital so he could get "Cream that Michael wouldn't want the world to know about." Yeah right.. Michael had vitiligo so I do believe he used a certain depigmentation cream for many years so is that what he was really going back to the house for? I HIGHLY doubt that. He wanted the key to the house so he could go do some more covering up. Then this fool asked for food while at the hospital. Who thinks about food at a time like that? Oh now your hungry? I'm surprised he didn't have a hamburger in one hand and the other hand doing chest compressions. That's how incompetent this "doctor" really is. Whoever heard of a cardialogist not being able to do CPR.



  16. 16

    Re: MJ fan59 – "I'm surprised he didn't have a hamburger in one hand and the other hand doing chest compressions."
    -
    LoL! Exactly! If he even knew how to do chest compressions…This is exactly what I hoped for…everyone involved to bring Murray's negligence to light!



  17. 17

    How anyone can treat any human being like that is beyond me!!
    To narrow it down, Michael is laying there dying right before Murrays eyes and he does nothing to help him! just more concerned about trying to cover his own tracks! it disgusts me.



  18. 18

    Re: mattyesmateo – Im sure that would be the answer to all of Murrays problems, receiving a condolence card from you!
    And its a good job everyone dosnt have your views on this whole mess, what a world we would live in, Doctors doing whatever they like, Killing whoever they like knowing they can just walk away and live the rest of their lives with no consequences.
    well matty, sorry to break it to you but we dont live in your little fantasy land, we live in the real world, a world where doctors cannot just go around getting hold of whatever drugs they feel like and administering them to whoever they feel like, killing people and then frantically trying to cover their tracks!
    Dr Murray Killed Michael Jackson! and if that wasnt bad enough then tried to weasel out of it! Hence him facing a manslaughter charge because of it! duh!

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    How does a cardiologist not know how to do CPR?



  20. 20

    Re: hoochpit
    Michael was not a "druggie" the autopsy report says so! oh wait… unless Michael is the Only person in this world to be able to be "high ALL THE TIME" without the drugs damaging his organs!! and medical experts have said that this would have been the case had he been a drug addict.
    there was no damage therefore this concluded he was no addict!
    just because he was taking certain meds in the days before he died does not say he was an addict..
    I got completly drunk 3 days in a row over the christmas holidays! does that make me an alcoholic???



  21. 21

    Re: MJ fan59 – Well if you feel that way, why don't you go to the courthouse tomorrow and hand deliver the card to Murray in front of Michael's family and friends??
    .
    LOL!!! well said!! haha



  22. 22

    Re: MJ fan59 – And Murray had the nerve to tell the papparazzi while he was shopping yesterday that he loves Mrs. Jackson and hates to see her hurting. And says he loves her like his own mother.
    .
    OMG!! Thats the first i have heard about this!! This man is clearly deranged!! why in the world would he say such a thing to the paparazzi of all people?? the man who took away her son then says he loves her like his own mother?
    unbelievable!!



  23. 23

    This is extremely irritating. I understand that the doctor was completely negligence, but to charge him with Michael's murder? Seems like you're all just looking for someone to blame. Listen, he's dead. Let him rest in peace.



  24. 24

    Incompetent asshole, only took the job for the money. A competent, ethical doctor would not have played this surgical knockout drugs as sleeping pills game with MJ. Maybe that is why MJ had to find a hack. Dr. Murray should have admitted he was an incompetent doctor before he signed on for the unethical job. Could he really not have known what an incompetent doctor he is? His educational background (or lack thereof) speaks volumes. It is truly shocking that a cardiologist doesn't know CPR, and worse than negligence that he didn't call 911 right away. He will have to be found guilty of something. The most shocking part is that he is still licensed to practice medicine.



  25. 25

    This is not a trial for attempted murder, BTW, it is a preliminary hearing to see if there is enough evidence for there to be a trial against Murray, and if so, for what charges.



  26. 26

    Re: MJ ROCKS!!! – Yeah the fool said it and I couldn't believe it. ZtM (You know what I'm saying ;) has the footage. That is a smack in the face to his family and his fans. Almost an even bigger slap in the face from when he went to "visit" Michael at Forrest Lawn last yr.



  27. 27

    Re: MJ ROCKS!!! – "I got completly drunk 3 days in a row over the christmas holidays! does that make me an alcoholic???"

    Oh my gosh that gave me a good laugh! LOL



  28. 28

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – "Seems like you're all just looking for someone to blame." Looking for someone to blame? How many more crazy details regarding that day do people like you honestly need?? I'm a big Michael Jackson fan and that is obvious for anyone to see if you have been coming on this site and clicking on MJ post for the past 2 yrs. but me being an MJ fan DOES NOT make me see things that aren't there to see and it is clear to see that Murray was wrong in many different ways. Hopefully another certified physician will take the stand sometime soon (hopefully tomorrow) but it might not happen until the trial. I am sure that when a doctor takes the trial, he or she will say without a shadow of a doubt that what Murray did was beyond horrible. Not even talking about just the cover up but just the administration of those meds. period is what is going to get him. We are not looking for someone to blame. We are looking for justice and that justice starts with convicting the person who is at fault and that is Murray. Gosh do people like you have blinders on or something?



  29. 29

    Re: MJ fan59 – I am not sure why no one is bringing this up, but in the autopsy report it said that Michael had calcified arterial atherosclerosis legs in both his legs, i.e. circulatory problems. They make your legs go blue, and your veins can collapse, especially I am sure after all the strenuous dancing he had been doing One of the symptoms is having your feet go cold and blue. He shouldn’t in my opinion have passed the health examination in the first place.
    And how had Dr Murray never in his life performed CPR – it is a requirement during medical training to learn CPR! Is he even a doctor that is what I want to know!
    I really believe someone should investigate that.

    "I'm surprised he didn't have a hamburger in one hand and the other hand doing chest compressions." Lol :)



  30. 30

    Re: MJ fan59

    You lack the inability to see things clearly because you're obsessed. Your opinion doesn't mean much to me or others who can see this situation with a clear head. Sorry!



  31. 31

    Re: MJ fan59

    I'm surprised that you don't want the manufacturers of the drugs that (ACTUALLY) killed him be held responsible too.



  32. 32

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – And you would have the same attitude if the same thing happened to your loved one would you?
    Doctors cannot go around with drugs they shouldnt have, and administer them to who they want to… period!!
    If Murray thought he had done no wrong then he wouldnt have been frantically trying to cover up the fact that he had just killed Michael Jackson.
    Murray is nothing but a drug dealer!



  33. 33

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – "Your opinion doesn't mean much to me or others who can see this situation with a clear head. Sorry!" To bad I wasn't asking for or looking forward to getting any validation from you or anyone else for that matter. Murray is at trial. Not me. And the only obsessors are the constant people who keep calling Michael a molester, addict etc. I'm an MJ(fan)atic not an obsessor so try not to confuse the two. And had the manufacturers of Propofol been a certified medical doctor that injected Michael with the deadly dose that killed him then hell yes I would want them brought to justice too. That's your problem right there. Your missing the whole point behind why Murray is the one being put thru prelimanary hearings right now and why it is fans like me are looking for him to be punished.



  34. 34

    Re: MJ ROCKS!!! – "If Murray thought he had done no wrong then he wouldnt have been frantically trying to cover up the fact that he had just killed Michael Jackson."
    Ding, Ding, Ding We have a winner!! lol EXACTLY! This should be the closing statement for the DA.



  35. 35

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – You lack the inability to see things clearly because you're obsessed. Your opinion doesn't mean much to me or others who can see this situation with a clear head. Sorry!
    ,
    there is so much wrong with your pathetic comment i hardly know where to start!!
    you say about mj fan59`s "opinion" not meaning much to you, well what a surprise, it wouldnt would it, because if you bother to read their posts properly you will see they are always full with FACTS!!!
    Facts and Opinions are 2 different things! assuming your OPINION is that Dr Murray has done nothing wrong then that does not mean much to us either.
    The FACTS speak for themselves, and one of the facts is that Michael Jackson died because Dr Murray gave him too much of a drug that he should never have had in his possesion. Not to mention his antics after he realised he had killed Michael, trying to hide things, not knowing how to perform CPR to name only a few.
    Whichever way you look at it, Dr Murray killed Michael Jackson!



  36. 36

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – "of the drugs that (ACTUALLY) killed him"
    I just had to bring up this statement from you again because I can't honestly believe that you would say something like this without realizing what your actually saying. Yes, Propofol and a mixture of other meds. is what led to Michael's death with Propofol being the main culprate but the reason why Murray is in hot water is because HE WAS THE ONE WHO GAVE MICHAEL THE DRUG THAT "ACTUALLY" KILLED HIM. Maybe if I put it in CAPS it will register a little better. See at the end of the day in a court of law it doesn't matter if the patient asked for it or not. In a court of law they look at who did it? were they supposed to do it? and they also look at things regarding the situation like A. Murray took an oath and did not protect his patient. B. Murray was NOT allowed to give his patient those meds. outside of a hospital setting. C. Murray did not do all that he could have or should have done when realizing that his patient was in trouble. And those are just a few examples as to why Murray is being held accountable.



  37. 37

    Re: MJ fan59 – Lol the mentality of some of these people posting on here is quite frightening, i cant believe we actually live in the same world as them!! lol



  38. 38

    Re: MJ fan59

    If Murray is a drug dealer, then MJ was a drug addict. And that's been proven time and time again. It's sad that you consider him a loved one, by the way. Also a little creepy. And I genuinely believe that he did molest those children. In my opinion, Murray did us all a favor. Another child molester off the streets.



  39. 39

    Re: MJ fan59

    Also, like I said, are you holding the manufacturers of the drugs accountable? Because the drug is what killed him, not Murray. There are people who made that drug, are they going to be put on trial too? That sounds ridiculous, right? So does the rest of your logic.



  40. 40

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – "MJ was a drug addict. And that's been proven time and time again." Really? It has been? by who? What piece of paper do you have to show me this? Where is a link to a document that can show me this? I on the otherhand can give you info. that will show you the total opposite. Your last statement regarding those accusations against Michael has told me all I need to know as to why your on here commenting on these hearings. You sound like another bitter hater who wishes that the verdict given in 2005 would have been in your favor. As much as you would have loved for Michael to be an addict it pains you to know that he wasn't. As much as you would have loved for Michael to be a child molester it pains you to know he wasn't. You are the one who seems to have a problem with being able to see things clearly and bringing up those false accusations against Michael out of nowhere proves my point when I stated that people like you are actually the obsessors.



  41. 41

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – And I genuinely believe that he did molest those children. In my opinion, Murray did us all a favor. Another child molester off the streets.
    .
    You have just proved that you have absolutly no idea what you are talking about…
    If you bothered to research the allegations made against Michael then you would see that he never molested any child… and i dont mean reading a newspaper, that is not research, proper legal documents are available online for you to look at and learn something but you just go along with what you have heard in the media. pathetic!
    and it was i who called Murray a drug dealer, that does not make MJ an addict atall, Murray was happy to sell his drugs/time to michael, this makes him a dealer.
    again, go and read Michaels Autopsy report, There was only the drugs in him that Murray had given him, if he was an addict where were the other drugs then?? the ones he would have taken everyday because they would have shown up in his system from from a good few months ago but there was none.
    Again i have to repeat myself that All of Michaels organs were healthy, not consistent to that of a drug addict!!!!
    Had he been a drug addict then his organs would have shown some if not alot of damage but guess what? THERE WAS NONE!!!!
    At least pretend to know what you are talking about before you post such stupid comments!!



  42. 42

    Re: MJ ROCKS!!!

    I dont bother to research anything about him because I'm not obsessed like you. That being said, how many times and how many people stated that "Michael couldn't sleep or function without his drugs". I think that makes him an addict. Don't you watch Celebrity Rehab? I'm sure you do.. You know, there's people dying everywhere. People being murdered, raped, children starving, wars in countries all over the world. Those things are more important to me than defending a dead celebrity (who was actually a normal person). It makes me sick to see people like you make these people gods. Get a life.



  43. 43

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – "Also, like I said, are you holding the manufacturers of the drugs accountable?" So are you now unable to process my replies to you? Ok, well let me help you out by putting my answer to you here again verbatim… " And had the manufacturers of Propofol been a certified medical doctor that injected Michael with the deadly dose that killed him then hell yes I would want them brought to justice too." I speak no other languages so unfortunately I have no other way of saying what I already said.



  44. 44

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – Because the drug is what killed him, not Murray.
    .
    omg have you heard yourself???
    So if someone stabbed your loved one with a knife and killed them, you would expect the company who made the knife to go to trial for killing them because it was actually the knife that killed them????
    omg!!! HAHAHAHA yeah good luck with that one!!! HAHAHA And thanks for the laugh :D



  45. 45

    Re: MJ fan59 – Great post! I agree with you 100%! Even IF Michael wanted this idiot Dr. to inject that crap into him,he could've said no. He was friggen greedy and needed the money he got to pay child support to keep his stupid ass out of jail. And he couldn't perform CPR? Are you kidding? He's a friggen heart surgeon! I can perform CPR and I'm certainly not a heart surgeon.
    I sincerely hopes this guy goes to jail for MURDER, voluntary or not!



  46. 46

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – The laws don't care if Michael was addicted and was taking every drug known to man (which he wasn't.) At the end of the day, the law wants to know how it was Michael died. We already know Michael did not die at the hands of himself and if that were the case this whole ordeal would be considered a suicide incident instead of involuntary manslaugter. If Michael Jackson was taken out of the equation and we were talking about another grown man or women who went to a licensed professional asking them for a dangerous medication and was given that medication by that professional and due to that lost their life, the law would still be holding that professional responsible for that persons death because that professional acted with criminal negligence. I'm sure you understand that Murray is at fault, and you are fully aware of the fact that what I am saying is the truth but you are so consumed with lies and misconceptions about Michael to where anything about this case doesn't mean anything to you anyway. So why in the world do you even care? Especially considering that you feel Murray did you a favor. Your sick.



  47. 47

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha
    I dont bother to research anything about him because I'm not obsessed like you.
    .
    Thank you… you have proved our points.. you have no idea what you are talking about!!



  48. 48

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – "Also, like I said, are you holding the manufacturers of the drugs accountable? Because the drug is what killed him, not Murray." And F.Y.I your analogies make me laugh. Here's an example of a similar situation but slightly different. Let's say a drunk driver hit's another car and the person in the other car dies. The family members of the person who died wouldn't be blaming that persons car, they would be blaming that drunk driver because that driver acted negligently while driving under the influence and then killing that innocent life in the process. And what would you know.. That drunk driver would more then likely be convicted of INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGTER! I'm no full.



  49. 49

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – You know, there's people dying everywhere. People being murdered, raped, children starving, wars in countries all over the world. Those things are more important to me than defending a dead celebrity (who was actually a normal person). It makes me sick to see people like you make these people gods. Get a life.
    ,
    oh you dont have to tell me about all the wars and the starving children all over the world, This is something very dear to my heart aswell as it was to Michaels too, which is why he donated millions and millions of his money to help people like the ones you are referring to!
    and where in my post did i refer to Michael as a god? i never have and i never will, im quite aware he is not god thank you!
    And i would rather be on perez spending my time defending someone who i am a fan of rather than spending my time writing about a man i dont like… so who now needs to get a life? works both ways asshole. have a nice day :)



  50. 50

    Re: MJ ROCKS!!!

    You know, I don't really care either way. It's just funny to me to watch all of you freaks (Oh, excuse me I mean "fans") get so worked up. I don't understand how you could support someone who molested children, but have fun with that! Thanks for the lulz.



  51. 51

    Re: MJ ROCKS!!! – "Thank you… you have proved our points.. you have no idea what you are talking about!!"
    LMAO! ;)



  52. 52

    Re: MJ ROCKS!!! – "And i would rather be on perez spending my time defending someone who i am a fan of rather than spending my time writing about a man i dont like… so who now needs to get a life? works both ways asshole. have a nice day."
    I mean really you have to stop. You have me laughing so hard my ribs are starting to hurt! I will never understand why people come on these MJ post time after time calling us obsessors etc. when they express openly that they didn't give a damn about Michael and most importantly they think Michael was a guilty man yet never bothered to research the very thing that they accuse him of. And just like clockwork it always ends up with us being accused of thinking Michael was a "God." Give me a break (lolgfgstfuhaha) just because we know what we are talking about and just because we don't agree with your thinking does not make us think for a second that Michael was a saint.



  53. 53

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – "You know, I don't really care either way. It's just funny to me to watch all of you freaks (Oh, excuse me I mean "fans") get so worked up. I don't understand how you could support someone who molested children, but have fun with that! Thanks for the lulz."

    And this is what you all say when you have nothing else to go on. I mean everything you were saying before wasn't worth listening to either but your comments were matched with actual facts and now your at a loss for words so now the name calling and stones have began to be thrown. Your wasting your time.. "Sticks and Stones" Michael was subjected to hearing every name in the book being hurled at him so I promise your not hurting my feelings at all by calling me a freak and calling Michael a molester only makes you look desperate, ignorant, and bitter.



  54. 54

    Re: MJ fan59

    Desperate for what? Like I said, I don't care either way. What do I have to prove to you? I don't know you.

    And really, if you don't wish to be called "obsessors" then don't sit here posting essays about him with a name like "MJFAN59" or "MJ RULLEZZ!!!11!". You literally just said you did a whole bunch of research and are insunuating that you know everything about him and his life. I'm pretty positive that is the definition of obsession. But what do I know?

    As for me being ignorant, you DO know I'm doing that on purpose, right? Other than the fact that I beleive that you guys are just looking for someone to blame, everything else I said was to mock you. I guess you don't understand that, but it's probably because you have your head so far up Michael Jackson's ass to realize it.

    And bitter. Why would I be bitter? Neither you, nor Michael Jackson really mean anything to me. You haven't done anything to me to cause me to be bitter. I don't resent you. Hell, I don't even know you.



  55. 55

    Honestly whether it was MJs fault or the Docs the poor guy DEAD…..DEATH is no fucking joke! you dont wish it upon people! MJ was the king of pop and made AMAZING music who has unfortunately passed so let the poor man rest in peace and let the lawyers do their job if your a fan be a fan if you a hater, thats fine but dont make fun of his DEATH



  56. 56

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – "Desperate for what?" With every post you are trying to make Michael out to be this horrible person. You stressing that he was an addict and then when we asked you how you came to this conclusion and told you countless times that his autopy report states otherwise, you then thru out the "molestation" card. To me, you sound desperate. Desperate attempts to make Michael look sinister.



  57. 57

    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – As for me calling you ignorant… Ignorant: The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed. In which you are all of the above when it comes to the molestation charges against him as well as to why Murray is being looked at as the primary target in Michael's death.



  58. 58

    Re: MJ fan59

    I guess you can't read, so I'll post it again.

    "everything else I said was to mock you. I guess you don't understand that, but it's probably because you have your head so far up Michael Jackson's ass to realize it. "



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    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – "Why would I be bitter?" Bitter:acrimonious: marked by strong RESENTMENT or cynicism; You speak as if you resent Michael for something he did not do. Your comments at first were all about Michael being an addict and causing his own death. Then all of a sudden your tone changed to being very negative of Michael as an alleged "molestor." You went from one extreme to another after we laid out some facts about the reason why this whole prelimenary trial is happening. And let's get one thing straight. I NEVER said I know everything about Michael and his life. That would be impossible. I did express that I am knowledgeable when it comes to the accusations against him as well as knowledgeable when it comes to alot of the details regarding June 25th but even yourself could be knowledgeable of the same things had you paid attention to the facts. And having "MJfan" as my screenname is nothing out of the ordinary considering I'm an MJ.. FAN.



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    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – And your right. You don't know me.. You don't know Michael Jackson either yet you still call him an addicted molester. Eventhough admitting that you have never researched a thing about him. So what would ever make you come to these conclusions? And B.T.W if your idea of having fun is to mock those who have done research then so be it. Doesn't bother me one bit.



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    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – "I guess you can't read, so I'll post it again. "everything else I said was to mock you. I guess you don't understand that, but it's probably because you have your head so far up Michael Jackson's ass to realize it. "

    I can read just fine. Thank You. And yes, yes I get it. You came on this MJ post to mock MJ fans because you have nothing else to do. Why you would admit to mocking fans as one of your pastimes is beyond me but "different strokes for different folks" I suppose.



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    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – And you say I'm writing whole "essays" lol would you prefer I write a book because that can be worked out ;) Oh yeah, but you probably wouldn't read it anyways..



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    Re: MJ fan59

    Obviously it does bother you. If you scroll up, you can see just how much you've been bothered. And you're right, I wouldn't read it.



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    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – I did nothing any different on this post then I have on any of the other MJ post that I have been on when coming across someone as you who like to discuss or "mock" fans like myself and others. Your a passionate hater of Michael Jackson and I'm a passionate fan. Go back a good 200 MJ post back and you can see this for yourself. Your mockery does not bother me. Don't flatter yourself. And you may not read a book of mine's but you have sure enjoyed my "essay" formated post.



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    Re: MJ fan59 – I mean everything you were saying before wasn't worth listening to either but your comments were matched with actual facts and now your at a loss for words so now the name calling and stones have began to be thrown.
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    yes this is exactly what happens, every single hater does it… they cant respond with facts because they have none so they start with the same old crap that is so old to us. its so boring isnt it?



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    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha – then don't sit here posting essays about him with a name like "MJFAN59" or "MJ RULLEZZ!!!11!".
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    who the hell is MJ RULLEZZ?????
    LMAO



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    Re: MJ fan59 – I did nothing any different on this post then I have on any of the other MJ post that I have been on when coming across someone as you who like to discuss or "mock" fans like myself and others. Your a passionate hater of Michael Jackson and I'm a passionate fan. Go back a good 200 MJ post back and you can see this for yourself. Your mockery does not bother me. Don't flatter yourself.
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    exactly!!!!!!!!!!! Michael Jackson fans on a Michael Jackson post is quite normal… however what is not so normal is the haters who come back time and time again posting about somebody they claim to "dont care about"
    if i have no interest in someone then i wouldnt really want to keep reading and writing about someone. and they call us the freaks? lol



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    Re: lolgfgstfuhaha
    Desperate for what? Like I said, I don't care either way. What do I have to prove to you? I don't know you.
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    we dont know either, all we know is that you have created an account on perez and the only comments you have made are on Michael Jacksons post!
    but you erm, "dont care either way" right? lol



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    Re: MJ fan59 – I can read just fine. Thank You. And yes, yes I get it. You came on this MJ post to mock MJ fans because you have nothing else to do. Why you would admit to mocking fans as one of your pastimes is beyond me but "different strokes for different folks"
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    omg LMAO!!!! Right on!!!!!!!



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    Re: mattyesmateo – I see your point but don't you think that the medical professionals "treating" MJ along with Anna Nicole, Britney Murphy…etc…has to take some responsibility? What doctor administers a drug that is used to put people out for surgery? While this doctor is imo not soley responsible, he did have a hand in MJ's death…So while I understand that your taking the hardass line to this and just writing this death off to another drug addict overdosing and accountability for your own actions, I also strongly think the medical community should be accountable for their part not just in this death, but anna nicole, heath ledger, britney murphey…prescription drugs are abused more than illegal drugs…Plus, this doctor didn't know how to administer CPR? People are hurt and they're looking for someone to blame, imo this doctor is not to blame completely but certainly had a hand by enabling the addict.



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    A good professional doctor will not do what Dr Murray did. Michael paid his consequences with his life. If Dr Murray had said no to MJ, which would be the right thing to do, this wouldn't have happened. He also made a mistake and he also have to pay for it.



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    he should be tried for NEGLIGENCE not MURDER.

    MJ was an addict himself so why are people not pinning him for that?

    Its too bad that he was a great artist! It would've been better if his songs, artistry and creativty are being discussed, his true legacy. Too bad



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    Michael Jackson and Murray are both at fault. Michael Jackson wanted it so he got what he wanted. But, Murray should have told him no, since the side effects are bad (obviously). Michael Jackson kind of killed himself basically. Fans need to shut the hell up and learn that Michael Jackson wanted that medicine. He took his own life. It's sad that that happened but it did, so.



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    Re: OppaNuna – Your opinion is your opinion but don't tell us to "shut the hell up" you wouldn't like it if we told you to "shut the hell up" just because we disagree with you so don't talk to us like that OPPANUNA. And you need to learn the way the law's go. I refuse to repeat myself but you need to educate yourself more about why it is Murray is in deep sh** before you try telling us to "learn" anything. If Michael had taken his own life, the Coroner would have had Suicide as the cause of death vs. Propofol intoxication.



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    Re: MJ fan59 – If Michael had taken his own life, the Coroner would have had Suicide as the cause of death vs. Propofol intoxication.
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    yesssss!!!!! ;)