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Dear Rose Marie Belforti And The Courage Fund…THIS SUCKS!

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This is absolutely shameful.

In light of the three New York town clerks who have refused to comply with the state's new marriage equality laws and therefore, not marry same-sex couples due to their religious beliefs, The Courage Fund, which is an initiative from evangelical Protestants disputing the law, have created a series of videos in support of these individuals, including this one, featuring Rose Marie Belforti!

Watch it (above)!

Again her one sole argument seems to be:

“I am a Christian, and the Bible tells me that marriage is between a man and a woman, so I don’t feel that I can endorse the new law, the policy for same-sex people to be married. I don’t feel it’s right.”

Okay, fine. But once again - when you take a job that makes you A WARD OF THE STATE, you have to adhere to separation of church and state, just like everyone else! So if your faith means that you cannot do the job that you've CHOSEN to its fullest capacity, AKA by not being able to follow the LAW, then yes, you need to either reason or face the consequences!

HOW DARE you record a video that even REMOTELY suggests that you are a victim in any way, shape or form! What you're doing is an actual CRIME against our community, whether you agree with it or not!

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64 comments to “Dear Rose Marie Belforti And The Courage Fund…THIS SUCKS!”



  1. 1

    PLEASE PLEASE DON'T ALLOW PEREZ'S IGNORANCE TO BLEED IN TO YOUR MINDS. THIS WOMAN IS ENTITLED TO NOT MARRY GAYS. PERIOD.

    LET THOSE WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MARRY GAY PEOPLE AND THE DESIRE TO DO SO..DO IT!!!

    I AM GAY, AND I DON'T THINK SHE SHOULD HAVE HER RIGHTS IMPEDED ON. PEREZ I HOPE YOU READ THIS BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE HAS TO FOLD TO YOUR IDEALS.

    YOU ARE LITERALLY THE INVERTED VERSION OF EXTREME HOMOPHOBES.

    GOD BLESS THIS WOMAN FOR STANDING FIRM IN HER BELIEFS JUST AS I DO.



  2. 2

    If you don't stand up for what you believe in YOU STAND FOR NOTHING!

    i think this woman's OPINION….is awesome. They should have voted on this.

    Good for her…..being gay is wrong…get therapy for your abused childhood people…..and yes, almost all of you were abused as children…..admit it…Perez.



  3. 3

    WHAT THE FUCK EVER! Stop acting like such a butt-hurt fa66ot anytime anyone has the nerve and audacity to stand up for what THEY believe. Even as a gay male, I'm ashamed that I have to share my lifestyle and community with narrow-minded bigots like yourself, who call foul anytime a person or organization does something to defend their own values or beliefs. If we, as gay people, can fight for our cause, WHY CANT THEY!? Get real. People can get married anywhere, if she doesn't want to marry them because she doesn't feel right, FINE, go somewhere else then. THAT SIMPLE.



  4. 4

    @ imlistedhere: I'm glad to see that there are fellow gay people out door who are able to think outside the box and embrace other people's differences, as much as we want others to embrace us. You said it perfectly — Perez is nothing more than an inverted version of an extreme homophobe. This moron wants to shove his ideals and gay agenda down everyone's throats. Does he not realize that that shit turns people OFF?? I find it ridiculous that anytime a person or organization states they don't agree with our lifestyle they're automatically classified as hateful, right-winged, homophobes.



  5. 5

    WTF are you A-Holes talking about?!?!? OF COURSE she has the right to believe in what she wants (a fake religion) HOWEVER she does NOT have the right to impose her beliefs on other people ESPECIALLY when she works for the government and took a vow to uphold NY STATE LAW! She is BREAKING THE LAW by not signing same sex marriage licenses! She doesn't get to pick and choose which laws she likes. If she doesn't want to do HER JOB then she should quit. Plain and simple. And that fact that some of you are sticking up for her and "claiming" to be gay is sickening.



  6. 6

    In Canada, employers have a "duty to accommodate" under the Human Rights Act, which (shortened) states, "… all individuals should have an opportunity equal with other individuals to make for themselves the lives that they are able and wish to have and to have their needs accommodated … without being hindered in or prevented from doing so by discriminatory practices based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability or conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted." As such, you can't discriminate against anyone on any of the above. So in the example of religion … employers can't force a Jewish person to work on a Jewish holy day/holiday. They're allowed to have the day off. During the construction of a Home Depot store in Canada, a Pakistani man working as a security guard was not required to wear a hard hat, as his religious beliefs didn't allow him to remove his turban. Home Depot accommodated by having him do security outside of the construction area. I don't know if the US has the same kind of accommodation/tolerance laws; but if this were the situation in Canada, Rosie's right to her beliefs would be protected & accommodated (ie: processing of the paperwork for a same-sex marriage would be done elsewhere or by another individual). Interesting that Canada & the US are so geographically close yet so far apart from a sociological perspective.



  7. 7

    Gay Nazi insanely bent on forcing his will and agenda on everyone else accuses others of being 'facist'.
    .
    Perfect.



  8. 8

    So Kim K's SAGGY Ass, what about all of the straight adults who were abused sexually or physically? Guess they aren't sick? Guess they escaped the gay sickness? you are an ignorant hater.



  9. 9

    Andy27, you are probably one of the most ignorant posters I've seen on this site and that says a lot. I'd rather have Perez rep. my community than you any day! These woman that wanted a marriage license from NY State are TAX PAYING citizens like EVERYONE else. Denying them a marriage license because you cannot sign it due to your religion is discrimination. Mrs. Belforti cannot pick and choose who she wants to give a marriage license to because of her beliefs. Does she also deny people who are not Christian? How about people who have been divorced before? I highly doubt it.



  10. 10

    She looks like a total lesbian! This is a case of self loathing! LOL



  11. 11

    Re: Laroccakiddd

    THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT HER BELIEF IS BEING INFILTRATED BY THE LAW. THE LAW NEEDS TO CHANGE TO REFLECT INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM SO LONG AS IT IS NOT FORCING LIFESTYLE CHOICES UPON OTHERS. SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PERFORM HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGES IF SHE CHOOSES.

    AGAIN, THE LAW MIGHT SAY IT SHOULD HAPPEN ONE WAY AND SHE TECHNICALLY HAS TO PERFORM IT AS SUCH, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.

    ..AND JUST BECAUSE I DEFEND HER RIGHT TO CHOOSE DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE TO BE STRAIGHT.

    I'M GAY AND I'M BLACK. GET THE FCUK OVER IT.



  12. 12

    Re: William44 – i was thinking the same thing…lol

  13. yeez says – reply to this


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    Re: Meggie246524 – It really depends on the company in the US. If any laws do exist they're at a state, not national level. I had a Muslim friend in college who asked to change her shift temporarily from 3-9 when she fasted for Ramadan and the company refused to accommodate her at all, even though she had found another employee that was willing to switch shifts. The only thing that will help Rose keep her job is the fact that she's Christian, if she were doing this based off of a believe in Judaism or Islam she would have already been fired.



  14. 14

    imlistedhere, then she should not be working in government. Her salary is paid from tax dollars by the people (some of which are gay) do you want your tax dollars going to someone who cannot perform the simple duty of signing your marriage license? No one is infringing on her right to practice her beliefs. However they ARE HER beliefs NOT everyone else's and she is imposing her beliefs on the public. If she can't perform her job which she is hired to do then she should be fired or she should resign plain and simple. Would you stick up for her if she was saying that her religion doesn't allow her to sign marriage licenses for interracial couples?



  15. 15

    PerezHilton has set himself up as judge and jury over everything that has to do with the gay population.Seems like even some gays on here commenting are getting sick of his ranting and bitching about christians and there rights.Every time some one says something that has to do with gays PerezHilton (your LORDSHIP) has to jump right on it and give HIS opinion about it.As if he only has the right to say whats right or wrong.Can't wait to see someone come along and start taking away his rights as being gay and push their beliefs and opinions on him like he wants to do to the christians.Like he is doing to them.PerezHilton may not believe in GOD but some day he will have to face HIM than what will he have to say?



  16. 16

    Rose Marie Belforti is definitely a lesbian.



  17. 17

    Re: yeez – Interesting. Thanks for the info. In Canada, the Human Rights Act is a federal law, so it applies to every Canadian across the country & it applies to all employers across the country. This situation with Rose would be a non-issue in Canada - Rose would simply have her religious beliefs accommodated. There's a joke among Canadians that goes, "How do you get Americans to scream at each other?" Answer, "Mention one of the 3 G's: God, Guns or Gays". We're so tolerant in Canada and it's really bizarre to watch the constant arguing/fighting/hating on these issues from our southern neighbours.



  18. 18

    Her duty is to represent the state, not her own beliefs. It is not "her" endorsing the marriage, it is the state/government endorsing it, and she is a rep. of that, not her religion, or even of her own beliefs. Seems to me she may be breaking some oath or even law when she refuses to act in accordance with her duty. As for making allowances for her…would you hire a firefighter who was afraid of fire-hoses? No, if she can't perform her legal duties, then put her elsewhere, she can mow lawns for the parks dept or something.



  19. 19

    wait a minute… more importantly, this is a woman??



  20. 20

    Re: Laroccakiddd – Honestly if her religion stated that she couldn't marry interracial couples, then that would that would be on her and her religion. I can't influence change in the mind of an individual if they don't first initiate change themselves. I leave that to her and her lifestyle choices. I'm simply stating that while I totally agree that she has to follow the laws that govern her, given the subject matter, maybe being ordained by a particular church, she should be given the right to marry her respective religion.

    Bottom line is that the laws CAN and SHOULD reflect our individual choices. The problem I have with both sides is that they BOTH prefer to evade common ground because it's so much easier to just disagree..but I digress..



  21. 21

    Meggie I wouldn't be bragging about being from Canada especially with a law like that. We live in America where our government should NOT accommodate bigotry of any sort. This is not about infringing on her rights to practice her religion she can practice all she wants as long as she doesn't FORCE her beliefs on other people, but she works for the government, her salary is paid for by the people. She cannot treat people differently BASED ON HER VIEWS. How would you feel if you went to get married at the your town hall and the clerk checked to see if you were a virgin first (since pre-marital sex is against her religious views) and then when she found out you weren't she refused to sign your marriage license? Would you be like "OH well it’s her right la dee daaa" No you would say "listen if you want to be a virgin till your married go ahead but I don’t follow the same views and I pay my taxes and you vowed to follow state law and sign my license, so sign it" It's really not that hard to comprehend!



  22. 22

    Re: Andy27 – I have to agree. While, I'm sorry she feels the way she does, perhaps she believes she's committing a "sin" by marrying gay people. True or not, it obviously would cause her psychological angish.

    But more importantly, why would any WANT her to marry them when she CANNOT share their happiness? Just move on to the next person who can and will share your joy with you.



  23. 23

    Wow. That's a big old dyke if I've ever seen one. There's some serious self-loathing going on right there based on having religion forced down her throat….



  24. 24

    I am extremely impressed with all the comments coming from gay posters who recognize this woman's rights, despite the conflict of interests. Unfortunately, there are still way too many gay posters that feel the same way Perez does. This just propagates more stereotypes about gays. i.e. intolerant of others and demanding special treatment, along with so many others. Until it stops, gays will never be accepted.



  25. 25

    She doesn't have to marry same sex couples. She is free to allow her religious conscience to dictate that boundary for her. However, she needs to reevaluate her employment if that is the case. If she wishes to continue to be employed by the government, which is an entity whose actions are not governed by the religious beliefs of anyone, then that choice of employment includes abiding by the duties and responsibilities assigned to that job. If there is a part of that job's duties that she feels she can fulfill, then she needs to follow her religious conscience and seek other employment. She cannot have it both ways. If I were a vegan and did not believe in killing animals for food, I would not choose to work in a meat-processing facility. Religious conscience is about the individual's beliefs, and it cannot be applied only to some areas of life and not others, else it becomes hypocrisy.



  26. 26

    Re: Laroccakiddd – I think you need to re-read our Human Rights Act, as the entire purpose is to ensure that no one has their personal beliefs, sexual orientation, gender, age, ethnicity, etc. infringed upon. This law is entirely about freedom to be who you are without punishment. The fact that you view it as being government-endorsed bigotry is not your fault … it's the culture in which you live that has skewed your perspective, as the US has long struggled with what Canada accomplished years and years ago. I hope the US reaches the same place of tolerance at some point, as I can't imagine how difficult it would be to live in the discriminatory environment that you do.



  27. 27

    Meggie, the only person who is discriminating in this story is Mrs. Belforti, the same person who you think your oh so hip Canadian law should protect. My perspective is not skewed when it comes to human rights. Mrs. Belforti has her rights to practice her religion, but no government should give her the right to impose those on others. Why should her bigotry be accommodated? Do you think your “human right act law” would protect a Muslim employer who wanted to make all his female employees wear Muslim headscarfs? I don’t think so. I think you are the one who doesn’t understand your own laws.



  28. 28

    What these people don't realize is that they're choosing to follow the bible instead of Jesus. Jesus came to say we have too many rules that we don't need to know God, that we must not judge others, that we must love others, that we must forgive and accept others. Jesus would never have persecuted anyone. How do know that Jesus wasn't gay himself? Sexuality is a continuum, if you educate yourself, and look at the most recent research, you'll realize that experts now know that it's not a disease, it's not usually a "choice", and it's perfectly natural in organisms. Your're also trying to impose our western world morality on the rest of the world - in some countries, men cannot afford to have a wife, so two brothers share one wife. Does that make them wrong? You people are so afraid to make decisions for yourselves about right and wrong that you look to an external source which is obviously written by a bunch of men in a time when they were also very fearful and uneducated. It does not mean that the bible is the truth, or something that we need to follow to the letter. If you truly want to follow Jesus (which, I would think, is the reason most people try to follow the bible), then FOLLOW JESUS' MESSAGE and remember that he would not have advocated the persecution or judgment or exclusion of anyone.



  29. 29

    I heard you all and I am not a homophobe, my opinion on this woman is a divided one. All i wanted to say is: PEREZ EVEN YOUR FELLOW GAY PEOPLE HATE YOU!!! I guess this is all. I wish everybody would stop coming here (I come only to remind people how nasty Mario is) and with that the support for "Pissed on Kimmy", Cheating CACCA and lip synching britney would seize. He is on their freakin pay roll and we need to stop his money flow. Oh and on the book, I raise my children very open minded, my kids thought the book sucked (no I didn't buy it…haha) just showed them excerpts.



  30. 30

    There is no freedom of religion or freedom of speech when people are told what they cannot do/say. To think we live in a "free" country is a joke. I think it is noble of her to stand up for what she believes in, knowing she could lose her job. Every person is so different in who they are, where they have come from, and their beliefs. Let's respectfully agree to disagree.

  31. 7tizz says – reply to this


    31

    You know - if you turn the sound off, you'd think she was a lesbian supporting gay marriage.

    Just sayin'.



  32. 32

    Re: Laroccakiddd – We're going to have to agree to disagree, as you don't understand Canadian culture or laws (I don't blame you for that - how could you understand something that you don't experience?). You also have to remember that Canada does not have the same constitution that the US does, so trying to apply your laws to another country doesn't work. I know you don't understand; but to put it very simply, we do not discriminate in Canada against age, gender, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, etc. and we accommodate all of these things to ensure individual freedoms. At the end of the day, it works for us and we have a very free, very accepting and very tolerant culture that is also supported through our laws. As I said, I hope someday the US can experience the same kind of personal freedoms that we enjoy here. If this issue were in Canada, it would be a win-win situation, as Rose wouldn't be required to do what is against her religious beliefs, and the same sex couple would be married, as we've had national same-sex marriage since 2005. All parties "get their way" because of the freedoms that our laws ensure. It's unfortunate that you don't experience that in your environment; but I wish you well in your battle.



  33. 33

    This debate over this lady or anyone else who refuses to marry a a same sex couple, is IGNORANT! On both sides of the debate no less. The gay community, not all but some, decided that for us non-gays, the only way they think we will listen to them is for them to shove their beliefs down our throats, and if we disagree in any way shape or form, then we are homophobes. If everyone would just realize that each person on this earth has a differing of opinions, we would all be better off. Just give it a rest people. If you aren't jumping down people throats, trying to force them to believe what you believe, and instead sit down with someone who has different views than yours, you might learn a lot about what, and why the believe what they believe…..



  34. 34

    Kim K's Saggy Ass: Why don't you bring up your screen name in your next therapy session? Because it seems like you could probly resolve your issues with Kim K in an hour, but if I were to switch the gender that I'm attracted to in an hour, I'm gonna need a really good therapist.



  35. 35

    I'm fine with her not signing the marriage licence. I mean, she's not the God of anyone's marriage, but whatever… The problem is that we can't just delegate this to someone else? It has to become a NOM produced propaganda video, where she is a hero because she pets animals and said no to gay people? Because now that it's crossed that line it actually is making me upset.



  36. 36

    Freedom of Religion!! She should not have to if she feels that it is going against her beliefs.. I'd like to see you tell a muslim that they should have to change their beliefs.. Oh no wait, in this country we bend over backwards to accommodate all immigrants and all religions except for Christianity. Go and live your damn gay lives, but if there are people who think that it's wrong then they shouldn't have to be forced to do anything.. Go to someone who will gladly do what you want them to. I could give a shit less about the gay ppl out and about in the world as long as they leave me the hell alone..



  37. 37

    Re: NOLAgurl2010 – "go and live your damn gay lives". damn girl!

  38. @v@ says – reply to this


    38

    The gay marriages can be performed by an employee who has no issue with it, and in a case where they are the sole employee, a horizontal move for them to a different department is the only solution. An employee has to be able to fulfill the laws of the land.
    Once the people have spoken with legislation, it's these employee's issues, not the issue of the souls coming in who wish to get married.



  39. 39

    She is entitled to her religious beliefs. A Jewish person who works in a deli can't be forced, by law, make BLTs just because they're legal or because people want them nor can they be fired for their objection to pork products; same thing applies here. She's a clerk in an office and I bet she's not the only one available to issue marriage licenses (much like a Jewish person working in a deli might have coworkers who aren't Jewish and are willing to make BLTs or ham sandwiches). Not only are her rights protected in the Bill of Rights in the US, it's also Article 18 in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights adopted by the UN in the 1940s. Also, she's not a ward of the state (that would be a child in the care of the state, so that just sounds silly). The Canandian Home Depot example is excellent as well for demonstrating this.



  40. 40

    Dear Perez…THIS SUCKS!!!

    Just out of curiosity: Why is it that when a gay person makes a video professing what they believe and standing up for their lifestyle - you consider them a hero. But when someone who doesn't believe EXACTLY what you do, does the exact same thing - you consider it disgusting.
    If you profess to believe in EQUALITY FOR ALL - you should probably start practicing what you preach…
    Show a little tolerance and compassion for people who have differing opinions than you. She never said anything along the lines of "hating gays". She simply said that her beliefs teach her that it's wrong, and she would be more comfortable not performing said ceremonies.
    Honestly, you're so single minded. You want to be treated like an equal, but you're constantly setting yourself apart with these silly posts.



  41. 41

    There is nothing "shameful" about this. She is a woman of FAITH and I respect her for that. And the gay couples should also respect her unwavering beliefs. The gays want people to respect them so they should lead by example and and not trash talk this soft spoken woman.



  42. 42

    Re: imlistedhere – Thank you!!! You are a good well balanced person and I agree with everything you posted!!!



  43. 43

    She should be fired because she is not exempt from the law. Imagine she was a Southern plantation owner after the Civil War. What if she refused to let go of her slaves even after they had been freed by the law? Her personal beliefs states that “negroes” are beneath her, if not animals. Let’s see you retards defend her then.

    And I love how selective people are when it comes to the Bible. The Old testament also states adulterers should be put to death, women should be kept silent, raping a woman only requires you to pay a fee to her father followed by marrying her, and cursing at your parents should also have you put to death.

    I have a feeling if those old laws were also enforced, 80% of the commentators here would be dead by now.
    Praise Jesus!



  44. 44

    Great to hear that she stands up for not only what she believes in, but what is right!



  45. 45

    Re: Meggie246524
    Meggie246524, your smug, superior attitude irritates me to no end, and makes you decidedly un-Canadian in my mind. Speaking from a First Nations Canadian perspective, this concept of Canada as a discrimination-free zone is utterly false. One only has to look at Residential Schools (the last of which closed in 1996) and the Indian Act (antiquated polices still governing the lives of Native people today) to observe Canada’s continued denial of fundamental legal rights for Native people. The idea of Canada as this haven of tolerance and love is an utterly fictional story sold to you to build a national identity that completely disregards not only the Aboriginal experience, but that of many Chinese and Japanese immigrants who have equally harrowing stories to tell. Dig only slightly deeper and you’ll this tale is full of holes. Yet, the fact that you’ve accepted it without challenge betrays your severe lack of independent thought. Laroccakiddd is entirely correct – it is not up to this woman to decide who can and cannot get married. She is a civil servant. If her faith is causing her to deny civil rights, then she is acting illegally. Simple.

  46. @v@ says – reply to this


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    Re: Charlotte1010 – I saw no smug in her post. You decry terrible things that happened in Canada years ago for which they've apologized publicly, and earlier than civil right were granted to U.S. African Americans; yet you then turn around and speak up for government and appear to support intolerance. I've lived in both countries, and those Canadian laws work just as Meggie says they do, and no one bats an eye; and everyone understands and respects and finds a middle ground solution to go for the win-win.



  47. 47

    The Bible also says that women should not cut their hair, ever.

    So this so-called "christian" is going to burn in hell, forever.



  48. 48

    Resign bigot!



  49. 49

    Using religion as an excuse to discriminate is just wrong! It's so shocking that this is even a debate it's the difference between right and wrong - point blank. plus this bitch is and OBVIOUS lesbian. The closet cases are always the biggest bitter homophobes



  50. 50

    Re: @v@
    Your ignorance, although infuriating, is not unexpected, as it is sadly something I've encountered in many Canadians, whose identity is formed by comparing themselves to the US and have thus engendered a self-righteous attitude of moral superiority. If you don’t “see any smug”, as you refer to it, in Meggie’s comments like “I know you don't understand; but to put it very simply” or “I can't imagine how difficult it would be to live in the discriminatory environment that you do” then you need to re-visit the definition of the word.
    This public apology that you mention, which supposedly happened before the Civil Rights movement of the 1960’s – where is it? Fact of the matter is, it doesn’t exist. The apology for Residential Schools was only issued in 2008 by Harper. And yet paternalistic (and some might define that as a form of racism) policies like the Indian Act are still in place. I and many of my Native friends face systemic discrimination on a daily basis. Just one example - some reserve communities don’t even have elementary schools, despite pleading with the government. So, the basic right to education, available to all other Canadians, is denied to these Aboriginal children. I give you the same advice as I gave Meggie: do even the slightest bit of research and you’ll find that this “equality for all” Canada does not exist.



  51. 51

    The fight for civil rights didn’t end in the 1960’s. It continues to this day, and one important battle was just won in New York when gay people were given the right to be married. Like I previously said, this woman is a civil servant, and if her beliefs are preventing her from providing the civil right of marriage to gay people, then she is in conflict with the law.



  52. 52

    Re: Charlotte1010 – Hello Charlotte: you asked where the government apology was so I've taken the liberty of copying it for you here: "On June 11, 2008, Prime Minister Stephen Harper apologized, on behalf of the sitting Cabinet, in front of an audience of Aboriginal delegates, and in an address that was broadcast nationally on the CBC, for the past governments' policies of assimilation. The Prime Minister apologized not only for the known excesses of the residential school system, but for the creation of the system itself."



  53. 53

    Re: Charlotte1010 – Hello again Charlotte: I can see through your posts that you have a great deal of anger and that's clearly not going to be assuaged through an on-line blog discussion; but I do hope that you find some peace with whatever issues you are experiencing. As a lawyer who specializes in employment law, it may also interest you to note that I, too, have First Nations heritage, and as such, I'm very aware of Canada's non-discrimination laws and practices. As @v@ stated, these laws work quite well to support a culture of tolerance, acceptance and accommodation for all Canadians. I won't engage in any more back-and-forth with you on this topic, as this is an inappropriate forum where no resolution can possibly occur; but as I mentioned, I do wish you well and I suggest that if you feel that your rights have in any way been violated, then I urge you to contact your provincial ministry for guidance or legal counsel. Best wishes.

  54. Edzo says – reply to this


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    The reason I'm upset about this is that as civil servant she has no right to stand on religious beliefs. She's not being asked to marry them she's ring asked to do her job which is issue a license. She's gladly taking her paycheck which is funded by the taxes that same gay couple are paying. If you refuse to do your job you should be fired period.



  55. 55

    She should come out of the closest. I think that would help her greatly in her life.



  56. 56

    If the video is anything to go by, this woman is a closeted lesbian.



  57. 57

    Gayconversionforum.com - being gay is not a choice, becoming straight may be



  58. 58

    Re: Meggie246524 – If you had read my post with any care, you will see that I did acknowledge Harper’s apology. My initial assertion was directed at @v@, who claimed that an apology was made prior to the Civil Rights movement of the 1960’s (wrong). If you had any real notion of your history as an Aboriginal person, then I’m sure you’d feel, or at least have felt, some anger. Cultural suppression and attempts at genocide are usually accompanied by feelings of hostility against oppressive regimes. No apology will heal the wrongs inflicted on Native people when they are not backed up by action (lack of which mentioned in previous posts). Seeing as you are so quick to disregard my comments, however, I’m guessing that this so-called “First Nations heritage” that you claim to have manifests itself in the form of a distant ancestor, and you have no real connection to the people or the community. (post continued below)



  59. 59

    Re: Meggie246524 – (from above) Your continued blatant patronizing attitude further detracts from any shred of credibility your comments may have once held. The fact that you insist on announcing your job as a lawyer in order to further your sense of superiority is just sad. Maintaining a posture of self-righteousness is often a thinly-veiled attempt at masking deep-seated insecurity. I suggest taking your own advice and not use this kind of venue to work through your emotional problems, which in this case involves an obvious inferiority complex. Good luck.

  60. @v@ says – reply to this


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    Re: Charlotte1010 – Meg's post was kind and credible, but your anger and beliefs won't allow you to see any view but your own. I meant that these terrible acts happened before the civil rights movements, not the apology, but the sentence was a bit of a string-on, so should clarify that. Those residential schools were a terrible idea. I've never understood how a parent would ever allow their child out of their sight to be raised by someone else. I would have to be dead before that would happen to any child of mine. I guess I'll go do more reading to see how the victimization unfolded.



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    SIMPLE QUESTION FOR THOSE WHO SUPPORT HER DECISION: What limits do you place on moral exceptions: could she refuse interracial marriage, could a gay serverrefuse to serve a christian family, could a mormon cashiere refuse to sell you beer at the grocery store, can a muslim cab driver refuse to take a family to a christian church, could an atheist firefighter refuse to rescue people from a burning temple, can a vegan refuse to put the burgers in your Big Mac, etc… unless you would allow all these (which would totally annihilate America as a pluralistic society) you have to ask yourself if there isn't a level at which we all have to accomadate some things we would rather not, or bear the burden of our convictions and not lay that burden on others. The vegan does not have to eat the Big Mac…but YOU should not have to go elsewhere because she believes eating meat is wrong…she should work elsewhere or accomadate YOUR beliefs if she wants to work for a place that serves customers who want beef. Same for Mrs. Belforti…by issuing a CIVIL marriage license, she is performing the duty of her job…she is not condoning or advocating or even allowing gay marriage. She does not have to marry someone of the same gender, she is not being forced to go to ceremony, she doesn't even have to send them a card…she just has to do her job.



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    Gays couldnt get married because of THE LAW. Now they can. If you dont like THE LAW, try to change it, but in the meantime you need to do YOUR JOB. If there is a conflict between the two then you need to resign.



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    AS I recall Perez, this is America and if u dont want to marry someone because of what u believe then u shouldnt have to! No one is and should be forced to do something they dont want to do because of their religious beliefs. Why dont u force a muslim to recite the catholic roseary and see how quick they refuse! You are wrong and so are these people for being pissed that someone wont marry them. SHAME ON GAY AMERICANS!



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    Re: MITengineer2014 – umm actually marriage is actually a religious belief under Gods laws from the bible. so historically and religiously ur wrong on this. they dont believe being in a homosexual relationship is right with God and considered sinful so if they marry someone they are also sinning themselves. they didnt signup to be caught in this bullshit, no one in this country should be forced to do anything and then have to resign if they dont comply with ur gay thoughts. btw being a gay person is not seen as a sin..its engaging in sex with the same sex that is the actual sin. and marriage is just a religious law so that u can have sex with the same person for the rest of ur life. the government created the laws that u have to be married to have certain rights likes deduction in taxes, not the church. gay just want to be able to file taxes together and get a tax deduction. it has nothing to do with love.