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Madonna Defends Her Performances, Won't Face Criminal Charges

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She just won't budge!

Madonna continues to take heat in wake of the Colorado shootings.

Critics, pundits, and even politicians chastise her refusal to remove toy guns from her stage performances for the remainder of the MDNA Tour.

But at least she's not going to jail!

Earlier it seemed she could possibly face arrest in Europe for her on-stage behavior. It turns out that was never likely.

In the court of public opinion, however, we've yet to reach a verdict.

Her theatrics appear a bit insensitive from some vantage points.

Which stinks, because she's an inspiration to millions and we wouldn't want any of the Aurora victims or their loved ones to think she's making light of their suffering.

We know firsthand that the Queen of Pop is NOT a callous woman. She's kind and has a wonderfully big heart.

At the same time, we understand that when one feasts with Her Madgesty one must expect a side-dish of controversy whether they ordered it or not!

She is not just a FABULOUS singer/songwriter but also a true artist in many senses of the word.

Madonna seeks to entertain, yes, but also to provoke and inspire.

This Material Girl refuses to adapt her stage theatrics but she is never afraid to respond to critics.

She said:

"There seems to be a growing intolerance around the world… I'm calling attention to that intolerance and asking people to pay attention, to wake up to see how we are just creating more chaos in the world. Art is there to track what's going on in the world. To make social commentary."

Hmmm.

We completely adore Her Madgesty but this is a tough situation all around!

[Image via WENN.]

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90 comments to “Madonna Defends Her Performances, Won't Face Criminal Charges”



  1. 1

    Art is humane, sensitive, and creative, among many other things. It's seems more like Madonna is not only insensitive to the situation, she also makes it seem like she's using the CO shooting to provoke people to talk about her which is unethical. Also, her failure to incorporate something creative while showing sensitivity to the CO shooting is evident of her lack thereof. Maybe it's time to hire a new creative director?!



  2. 2

    Just what is she commenting on, socially?
    That young women everywhere should put on cheerleader outfits and act like dumb, skanky, sex-oriented bitches?
    That using guns is "cool" and "thought-provoking" ?

    Madonna isn't "commenting" on social issues.
    She's INFLUENCING social issues, and frankly, is "provoking" not much more than a slew of disrespectful, slutty, criminal and socially IRRESPONSIBLE acts and opinions.
    (That ain't art.)

    Instead, that's using BS to make cash, and to get attention.
    She's most likely loving every second of it.
    Damn, I hate this woman.
    Single-handedly turning our young girls into tramps, and "PROMOTING" drug use.

    How is that "ART" ?



  3. 3

    Re: TeamMariah
    "…she's using the CO shooting to provoke people to talk about her which is unethical."
    "…her failure to incorporate something creative while showing sensitivity to the CO shooting is evident of her lack thereof."

    AMEN, team Mariah.
    Beautifully put.

  4. rich says – reply to this


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    why couldn't she have been at that theatre at the batman opening screening….she would of been a great corpse.

  5. Mark Santeramo says – reply to this


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    In this case I don't mind what Madonna does because she has a point. I'm sick of this country and the politicians running it always pretending like they care about gun control or gun rights after an event like what happened in Colorado as though there was nothing we could do about it before to have stopped it from happening. The same thing happened after Columbine, VA Tech, Arizona, etc. the list goes on and on, every few months something like this happens, they call it a tragedy, they want everyone to think about the event, and then a few weeks later it becomes old news and everyone goes back to their old ways until the next shooting happens like clockwork down the line. I'm flat out sick of this nonsense because its something that we could avoid if we had follow through from the people and our politicians. It's not a damn tragedy any more than it is that we haven't established any firm legislation stemming from all of these outbreaks of violence. It's ridiculous and the politicians promoting their own image should be ashamed of themselves.

  6. G_O_N_E says – reply to this


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    You are all ridiculous! Why should anyone have to tone down anything for the sake of the Colorado shooting? Madonna's tour started months ago, utilizing fake weapons and light hearted violence. Madonna has contributed more in one year than any of you will in your life time…combined.



  7. 7

    Re: Brainiac – Why should she show more sympathy than any of the politicians that are exploiting this case do? The fact of the matter is that the Colorado incident could have been avoided if we actually heeded our own warnings when this happend YEARS AGO in Columbine…or years later in VA Tech…or months ago in Arizona. It is flat out inexcusable that whenever something like this happens the world stops to acknowledge YET DOES NOTHING TO ENSURE THAT IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. Until the politicians out there that are exploiting the Colorado shooting (this time around) finally man up and create some sensible legislation that finally proves they care about the victims, Madonna shouldn't change her performance if she doesn't want to. Period.



  8. 8

    Re: G_O_N_E – Bingo.



  9. 9

    Re: G_O_N_E
    "fake guns and lighthearted violence" ?

    LMAO. Are you for fucking real?
    What exactly is "lighthearted violence" ?
    And FYI… my comments weren't related to the Colorado shootings.
    My first comments were in response to Madonna's (ahem) definition of "art."
    Please learn to read, and to understand, before you flip out on someone.
    Re: uncmoose187
    RE: "…It is flat out inexcusable that whenever something like this happens the world stops to acknowledge YET DOES NOTHING TO ENSURE THAT IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN."
    … You screwed your own argument with that sentence, my friend.
    Isn't Madonna part of this world?
    A rather LARGE and INFLUENTIAL part of this world?
    Could SHE not do something in order to ENSURE THAT IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN?
    As in, ditch the (ahem) "lighthearted violence" ?
    FUCK! We make violence "cool" and then we wonder why this shit happens.
    And then we blame the politicians.

    Considering musicians of her status are capable of swaying public opinion and influencing how people react and relate to global and local events - just as politicians are, perhaps even more so - why are you suggesting that SHE shouldn't be responsible for showing sympathy, but the politicians should?



  10. 10

    Re: Mark Santeramo
    RE: "It's ridiculous and the politicians promoting their own image should be ashamed of themselves."
    … THIS comment alone is ridiculous.
    Politicans, can't, but it's OK if a celebrity does it?
    And it's ok if they use a mass shooting as a platform?



  11. 11

    And y'all can spare me with this argument:
    "Until the politicians do somethin', the celebrities shouldn't be blamed for nothin'!"

    That's nothing but ridiculous, unenlightened, short-sighted fucking CRAP.
    It takes a village.

  12. Chris says – reply to this


    12

    Totally ridiculous! Has there been public pressure to remove the film during which the shootings occurred. No. Once again, people hating on Madonna. Point the finger at yourself instead of someone else. And if you don't like it, don't go to her concert. We'll all have a better time without you.

  13. wtf. says – reply to this


    13

    Though this is your blog and you are allowed to have your biased opinions, I have never read a post in which I can honestly say I felt was written completely by Madonna's PR team.

    "Her theatrics appear a bit insensitive from some vantage points.
    Which stinks, because she's an inspiration to millions and we wouldn't want any of the Aurora victims or their loved ones to think she's making light of their suffering.
    We know firsthand that the Queen of Pop is NOT a callous woman. She's kind and has a wonderfully big heart."

    There are many words to describe Madonna, but 'kind' is not one of them because that would imply she is considerate of others…



  14. 14

    i was watching the live show but shes talking talking … please on with the show..

    the guns are part of the show just because people got shot doesnt mean she should have to forego the guns maybe she could of but it wasnt her fault that occured…would mean her having to rearrange her show …

  15. dd says – reply to this


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    I will never understand why the Colorado shooter did what he did. But if there is one thing i know is that Madonna has nothing to do with it!! PLEASE the MDNA tour started months ago! I do not think people are influenced by how she uses FAKE guns during her shows!! If you talk about her using guns then YOU SHOULD also talk about directors putting guns in their movies and tv shows (which is more graphic than what Madonna does).
    I don't think she should change her show because it has absolutely nothing to do with what happen days ago. If you don't like her or her show just stop watching/hearing her and stop writing comments in posts about her!!



  16. 16

    OK, so its okay for the media to plaster this lunatic's face all over the place for people to see every time they log on to their computer……….but it isn't okay for Madonna to use fake guns in her act?
    It is so ridiculous. There are guns on TV, in magazines, on the internet, at the movie theater……are we supposed to pretend guns don't exist for a few months and then let everything go back to the way it was?

    The people that went through this experience haven't even BEGUN to feel the full weight of this trauma. It will be years before most of them start to feel like they can put it somewhat behind them, if they can at all. They will always be reminded of it, whether it is from seeing Batman ads or hearing a car backfire, or anything at all that reminds them personally of that night. I wish we could, but we can't take that away for them and we can't protect them from it. And I highly doubt any of them will be going to a Madonna concert any time soon, so I really don't why what she does has anything to do with it anyway.



  17. 17

    LOLz!!! Brianiac, you are THE best commentator I've ever had the pleasure of reading. I didn't even bother reading the other posts after a sentence or two if not less. Thanks for the apparent humour and light-heartedness. ♥



  18. 18

    Brainiac, was Madonna merely responding to people's questions about why she wouldn't remove the guns from her show, or did she take it upon herself to make this statement and release it to the media?



  19. 19

    And also Brainiac, I wanted to add that I don't think any one person can single handedly turn our young girls into skanky tramps. If you think she is capable of that, then you certainly believe her to have a lot more power than she actually has. I have listened to Madonna ever since I was 12 years old, and I am not a skanky tramp…..or a tramp at all for that matter. I was raised right, and I know who I am. I can separate an entertainer from a role model. Bad parenting and/or bad home life is what makes girls turn to sex for attention…….not going to a concert and seeing Madonna play with guns and show her ass.



  20. 20

    Re: Lilygirl27
    I don't know, Lily. Why don't you ask Perez?
    He's the one who wrote the article, and it isn't really clear, is it?

    Regardless, what does it matter?
    IF those are indeed Madonna's words, then I reacted to those words.
    And IF that's Madonna up there in a cheerleading outfit acting like a skank, and IF her show has lots of "fake guns" and "lighthearted violence," and IF she's making unevolved comments which basically state she's willing to contribute to "intolerance" and "chaos" in order to help us see that "intolerance" and "chaos" indeed does exist, (she's got this social commentary thing back-asswards) well then…
    … I still stand by my comments.
    (Always do, always will.)



  21. 21

    Re: Lilygirl27
    Well, that's wonderful, Lily.
    I'm very glad to hear that you are not a tramp.
    Unfortunately, there are PLENTY of young women out there who ARE more susceptible to the influence of a pop star, and more so than you would believe. Our society has long been influenced by those in popular public positions. To ignore that point is blind.

    How many young girls out there dress - and act - like their favourite star?
    Just look at the difference in the "actions" and "costumes" of the pop stars we have today, compared to what Madonna first brought us back in the 1980's. THIS didn't happen primarily because record & video producers are pervy skeeves.
    (Although that was the truth then, and still is today.)
    It began with Madonna - who was considered a "breakthrough" artist - but has grown into a contest over who can be the skankiest, the most brazen, the most "out there" as a female performer, and now, rather than it being about the music, it's about sex.
    How sexy can they dress?
    How many guys can they pretend to fuck in their videos?
    How far can they go?

    Folks, advertising works. It has been proven time and time again how much INFLUENCE a 15-second commercial can have on the human psyche.
    Just THINK about what a 3 minute video can do.
    Or a lifetime of 3 minute videos.

  22. Ariel says – reply to this


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    it's compleaty ridiculous!! why she should change it? because it's insensitive? well i guess they should stop proyecting batman or any other violent movie, or tv show, or video game or anything related to violence. it's compleatly absurd!!



  23. 23

    Re: Brainiac – It matters because you said earlier that she was using this tragedy as her own personal platform. I don't see how that can be the case if she was just responding to criticism that she didn't initiate. It would be different if she was holding a press conference and using this as an opportunity to milk this situation for her own benefit, but I don't see any evidence of that. It seems to me she is merely giving her reasons for not removing the guns that have been in her show for months before this tragedy happened.

    And I don't know what "village" you live in…..but where I am from, Madonna doesn't contribute to the chaos of this world. Psychopaths like the Colorado Shooter do. I have never seen anybody shoot up a movie theater, or anyplace else for that matter, while wearing a Madonna Wig and singing Like a Virgin. I am not trying to make light of what happened. I am trying to point out how your views on Madonna seem a bit like an over reaction.



  24. 24

    Re: Brainiac – You have a gutter mouth by the way. For somebody who obviously thinks they are so smart, I would think your vocabulary would allow you to find some classier words to express yourself. Not that I care one way or the other because I am no prude….it just seems a little hypocritical of you to call Madonna a skank because her show is dirty, when your mouth is quite dirty as well. I have 2 daughters and I would rather let them go see a Madonna show than have a conversation with you. :)



  25. 25

    Re: TeamMariah
    Aww shucks. Thank YOU, TM.
    It's always great to know I'm not the only one who feels the way I do.
    Your comment was spot-on.
    Madonna is not only being insensitive, but indeed unethical.
    (Her uber fans won't see it, because they're brainwashed by the hype and get-up, but those of us who actually DO care about how our fellow countrymen and women feel after mass murders… well, we get it.)
    :)



  26. 26

    Re: Brainiac – I hate to break this to you, but Madonna's target audience is not teenage girls anymore. It is gay men, and women who used to listen to her when they were younger. Most teenage girls look at her and think she is old and that her act is pretty tame compared to what else is out there now. There are FAR worse acts out there than Madonna, believe me.

    Do you hate Elvis too? Back in the day, his moves were just as controversial as what Madonna does. Yeah, you probably do. You seem like an angry person.



  27. 27

    Re: Lilygirl27
    I'm quite proud of my gutter mouth.
    And I'm EXTRA-ORDINARILY proud of my right to use it.
    I don't dress like a hooker, I don't ACT like a hooker, and I don't use guns to make a point.
    (Fake or otherwise.)
    But I'll use the word "SKANK" as much as I DAMNED WELL CHOOSE.



  28. 28

    Re: Lilygirl27
    Lily, I am a gay woman in her 40's. I know PLENTY of gay men.
    I am quite well aware of WHO and WHAT listens to Madonna.
    And if I had two daughters, there's no way in HELL I'd take them to see her show.

    And if you are going to start attacking me personally, rather than exchange ideas - seriously, what the fuck does ELVIS have to do with this? - then I'm no longer going to respond to you. Your last two comments bordered on juvenile.



  29. 29

    Oh please….don't come at me with your condescending, sarcastic remarks and then tell me I am the one being mean. You have done nothing but put other people's comments down throughout this discussion, so don't preach to me about kindness. If you can't take it when somebody dishes it back to you, then maybe you should change your attitude.

    And if you don't get the Elvis comment…..then thank you for not responding to me anymore.



  30. 30

    'a FABULOUS singer' ??? … i know from firsthand she can't sing a note.
    She sounds like a drunken seal onstage.



  31. 31

    Re: Lilygirl27
    Ok, you convinced me.
    Condescending?
    Sarcastic?
    LIVE WITH IT.
    Angry?
    YOU GOT IT.
    Fed up with insecure bitches like yourself who are short-sighted and ignorant of just how much popular music affects us today?
    YEP.
    Tired of listening to you and the rest of Madonna's fans praise her like she's a goddamned motherfucking goddess when she's nothing more than an insecure and attention-needing hag - always has been - who likes to make excuses for her violent and sexually-oriented shows by calling it "art" ?
    FUCKING RIGHT.
    And about ELVIS?
    You could answer that question yourself: Just HOW MUCH, exactly, did ELVIS influence our youth? Think back. Remember the screaming girls? The rampant sexuality that came in the generation after? All of the unwanted pregnancies?
    Did I hate him? Didn't know his music that much.
    BUT WHAT WAS MY ORIGINAL POINT, LILY?

    It was that musicians in our society have more influence on our society than we are even prepared to admit, and I've seen - and STUDIED - the changes it has made, generation after generation, on our children.

    And YES, it makes me fucking angry. Bitches like Madonna - who know FULL WELL what influence they have - and their refusal to do anything about it - THEY MAKE ME PRETTY FUCKIN' ANGRY.

    Go ahead, give me another juvenile comment to respond to.



  32. 32

    Well, despite her basically TRYING to be controversial purely to be controversial, which is lame and a good indication to throw in the towel. She was using guns BEFORE the shooting. Which means she shouldn't have to do or change anything.

    In the end, its everyone EXCEPT the victims of the Aurora commenting on how insensitive it is. Which means their opinions are not valid. The only ones allowed to be offended or sensitive about her bringing guns on stage are the victims. Why is she being called out? Theres 3498 movies out and was 39489 shows on TV that had guns on them. Should we literally take off every single movie, delay every new movie, new show, new COMIC book,etc solely because 1 man did that? Give me a break



  33. 33

    Re: Brainiac – Wow! That was really something! I'm guessing I struck a nerve?

    All I can say is that at least this "insecure bitch" isn't the one who let some stranger on the Perez Hilton message board work her up into a hissy fit.

  34. JC says – reply to this


    34

    Such pseudo-intellectual drivel. That is nothing but drunk hipster girl at a party kind of talking Like Madonna is just so deep and more enlightened that she has to explain to everyone what art is, like she's an artist. No, bitch, you're a glorified pop star.



  35. 35

    Re: Brainiac

    I've read a lot of your posts over the past week (been ill in bed)

    You are very much my heroine! Loved your comments about Sally Ride. She was (is) one of my great heroines too. She TRULY broke through The Glass Ceiling!



  36. 36

    The Queen of Pop IS a callous woman, always has been. Although she can do whatever she likes, it's her show, she hasn't stopped doing what works for her best, creating mindless thoughtless controversy.

  37. sm87 says – reply to this


    37

    I understand the situation in Aurora was really sad, unfortuante and ill-timed. But I mean, she had this tour started MONTHS ago, and I'm sorry but this is the real world - there will still be guns, violence and mentally-ill people whether we decide to remove all of this from pop culture or not. She should not have to amend her tour to make a statement, rather, she is using this to shed light (as she said) and I don't think it could be any more appropriate. By changing everything in light of this Aurora massacre, not only are we giving that douche bag what he wants (which is attention), we're also letting him win. I completely support Madonna with this 100%. Has nothing to do with the Aurora shootings - don't start amalgamating all violence and art with what happened.

  38. sm87 says – reply to this


    38

    Re: Chris – yup!

  39. Jham says – reply to this


    39

    Intolerance for what? The jealous lover she's pretending to shoot? She's so full of crap. She always focuses on the negative and perverse because it sells. If she wanted to promote love and unity, she would do just that.

  40. Jham says – reply to this


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    Re: G_O_N_E – Since when is splattered brains light hearted violence? I'm not saying you're wrong to agree with Madonna, but it's not light hearted violence.



  41. 41

    Madonna isn't making a social commentary, she is trying to get attention. She has always been in it for the attention. Her songs, concerts and videos never have a message, they are just there for shock value. Not a Madonna fan.



  42. 42

    OMG… It's not like she started waving guns around AFTER the CO shootings. It's a freakin' show people. In light of what's happening in Syria, does that mean HOLLYWOOD should stop making movies with gun violence in them all together? Better yet, should they pull the Batman movie out of the theatres completely out of respect? The latter would be more appropriate if you're going to go the "respect" route.
    I wouldn't be surprised some of these people on here who commented own guns! We live in a "blame someone else" society.



  43. 43

    Re: Brainiac – The issue at hand is the 2nd Amendment and the lax requirements for anybody and their brother being able to buy assault weapons for home usage. Chris Rock was right when he suggested that bullets should cost $5000. a piece. There would be far fewer "accidental" shootings.



  44. 44

    …nice saddle bags !!…

  45. Kay says – reply to this


    45

    Goya depicted violence in his paintings, so why can't Madonna use her guns in her stage performances? They aren't even real.

    And everyone who is bitching from the States has no fucking right to complain because y'all are so bloody adamant about the right to bear arms- its quite frankly pathedic.

    It's also funny that coming from a country that claims to give freedom of expression, you all change your tune when something happens and it looks bad on you (cough gun control). This is precisely why it's hard to feel sympathy for a nation that allows idiots like the KKK and Westborough baptist church run around.

  46. Feeling Old says – reply to this


    46

    For Christ's sake!!!

    Lighten up even just a little bit, people!

    First, the part of her show with guns has been there way before the shootings. If that wasn't originally there and just became part of the show AFTER the shootings, stone her to death if you want.

    Second, she didn't rush to Colorado and/or visit the victims of the shooting in the hospital and then just started performing a musical number with guns as props. Call her insensitive if she did that.

    LIGHTEN UP! Nowadays everything is insensitive. Everything is racist. Everything is offensive. Everything is politically incorrect. LIGHTEN UP!

    WE ARE CREATING MORE CHAOS by reading too much into everything!



  47. 47

    Should Warner Brothers pull out The Dark Knight Rises from theaters, or we are going to just associate people and performances that absolutely nothing to do with the shooting?
    People who hate Madonna were hating her before the shooting, and are having the time of their lives with this, despite the fact that it makes no sense at all!



  48. 48

    I'm glad she's using the guns props. It's theatre!! I have to say I was wondering if she was going to do it after the Aurora shootings.
    It's funny the standard placed on her show though. Were any of the current broadway shows asked to take the guns or any displays of violence out of their shows?? Changing the story line? Art is here to imitate life, and the opening of her show is awesomeness. bang bang - shot ya dead. she's shooting the haters dead!!

  49. MichJB says – reply to this


    49

    A self indulgent geriatric hag. Please go away - you are pathetic.



  50. 50

    Re: Lilygirl27
    Oh, Good Lord & Lady.
    "work me up into a hissy fit" ? and "struck a nerve" ?

    Well, you're right, Lily, it did. But what's your fucking point?

    1. What the hell is wrong with getting “worked up”? Society will NOT change unless people learn to express how they TRULY feel, and if ANGER is part of that realm of feeling, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with its expression. ANGER is sometimes the ONLY thing that precipitates change in our society, and allows people to hear or see a different point of view.
    2. Since when is EXPRESSING myself a problem?
    (Didn't Madonna herself sing about our right to do this?) and,
    3. At the very least I responded to your comments with MY OWN DAMNED OPINION, something quite rare in this day and age, in which - thanks to government and church dictates - most citizens are too afraid to do.

    To continue,
    Why on earth is it that whenever someone expresses something AGAINST someone else's opinion, rather than have a discussion on the topic at hand, people attack one's freedom to say what is on their mind?
    And their inherent right to use ANY WORDS THEY WISH TO, IN ORDER TO DO SO?
    Madonna has that right, too. Have I negated that point?
    Not in any way.

    Yes, I am "worked up" over how she chooses to EXPRESS HERSELF.
    (Just as you are with me, but I guess you don't see that?)



  51. 51

    Fellow posters, friends and enemies:
    WORDS are a god & goddess-given right to those of us who know how to use them.
    I don't just think that I am smart. I AM smart. I do in fact have a very extensive vocabulary, and I choose my words VERY carefully. And I have quite LITERALLY studied (in school, and on my own) the effects of advertising, entertainment, and mass media on society's psychology as a whole.
    I have studied it EXTENSIVELY.
    And I am NOT the only one who views this distressing trend in pop music today a serious problem. The psychological ramifications on an entire generation are being seen as we speak, and not JUST indirectly with the Colorado shootings, but with the way we treat one another as a whole. And our young women have been GROSSLY INFLUENCED - in a HIGHLY NEGATIVE WAY - by the portrayal of women as SKANKS, WHORES, AND SEX-ORIENTED SLUTS in our music industry over the past thirty years.

    (MADONNA may be POWERFUL, but that sure as FUCK doesn't mean she's INTELLIGENT. If she can't see this as a long-term problem, then she's just as dim-witted as the conservative governments who are allowing it to happen with one hand, and threatening to take away our liberties to fight against it with the other.)



  52. 52

    And for the record:
    IF you have a problem with my using the "language" of today - and the language of this website, because let’s face it, we've ALL used foul language here, and at home - well…
    THAT’S TOO FUCKING BAD.
    If you would prefer that I use words that are long and difficult to understand, I can do that, too.
    EITHER WAY, I wil ALWAYS choose to stand by my comments.



  53. 53

    Re: Disney
    Hey Disney :)
    A fellow Sally Ride fan! Woohoo!
    She changed the world for so many of us, didn't she?
    WOMEN as astronauts, academics, intellectuals!
    (What a concept in this "Gimme All Your Lovin'" - ’cause I'm nothin' but a fuckin' hoe - world, eh?)
    I was truly saddened by her passing.
    But you know what? It has helped me to remember some of my other "lost goals" from childhood…
    I'm thinking about going back to school again.

    P.S. Thank you very much for your kind comments.

  54. FuFu says – reply to this


    54

    LRe: Brainiac – Let me take a guess at your history. Now I already know your a lesbian so we will start there. In the 80”s you were an ugly, disgusting, man-child and you learned from a very young age that no one would ever like you for your looks. It was about this time this beautiful, trend-setting femaie called Madonna hit MTV. All the girls loved her, and mimic'd her, but man-child couldn't do this not with her looks. So she turned to the one thing that made her feel safe (and smart) feminism. So where are they now?

    Well Madonna went on (as Braniac mentioned herself) to pave the way for all modern female singers and allowed them to embrace their sexuality as well as been powerful at the same time. Man-child on the other hand just became more and more angry because no one wanted to keep hearing her moaning about how slutty (read - better looking) these woman were. So she ends up trolling the perez hilton website pleading everyone to hate on Madonna. What really gets to her though is the fact that Madonna has done more for feminism than this fucking bitch ever could. And she just can't get over it….

  55. FuFuisAnIdiot says – reply to this


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    Re: FuFu
    Madonna paved the way for ALL modern female singers? You mean no one else had a hand in influencing them either? Just curious…how much of pop culture have you been exposed to pre-Madonna. Oh, yeah, and that post was pretty lame..just sayin'. :)

  56. Jeez says – reply to this


    56

    Re: Kay
    You're comparing Madonna to Goya? Madonna is no Goya. She's not even a painting from a 1st grade finger-painting class.



  57. 57

    Re: FuFu
    Sorry, FuFu… but insulting my physical appearance when I was a young adult?
    … That's just LAME.



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    Re: FuFu
    And BTW:
    I can't help but think that your hero Madonna would DISAPPROVE of you calling a lesbian an "ugly, disgusting man-child," and forming your entire argument around a lame-ass insult such as you did.
    DESPITE how I feel about her politics and her influence on young people, she IS a supporter of gay and lesbian rights. I may strongly dislike how she chooses to go about expressing herself, but regardless, I don't think throwing insults around about someone's physical looks is something that your "beautiful, trend-setting female" would get behind.

    (I mean, really, Fufu. Insulting someone's appearance in an argument? That's generally the last refuge of the uneducated and ignorant. Considering you've not ever met me, it actually just makes you sound kinda stupid and immature. If YOU are the stereotype of Madonna's fans, well, it doesn't say much, does it?)
    … just sayin.'

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    Re: FuFuisAnIdiot – You should talk to your girlfriend Brainiac as she seemed to open the dialogue on how Madonna paved the way for todays female stars.

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    Re: Brainiac – Listen man-child, once I get past that ugly gross exterior that resembles more a insects thorax than a human males body, I'm certain that I would find that your personality is just as fucking ugly. The only way you could ever look, or sound, pretty is by becoming mute. I'm sure Madonna loves lesbians, I have lots of lesbian friends, but just not narrow-minded blathering unintellectual fools such as yourself. Please do go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how educated and smart you are and how much research you have done, and how smart you are. Because it's really showing. Especially when you capitalize words. Have you heard of the several feminist courses offered on how Madonna shaped feminism in the last 20 yrs. Jealous much?I almost feel sorry for your girlfriend but I'm sure you feed her enough dogfood to keep the bitch happy. Woof.

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    Re: Fufu – FuFu, you did comment about her appearance. What about the fact that Madonna might be inadvertently influencing societal values, and not for the best? She may have used her own style of feminism for it, but what about say her not using guns or her not using sexuality?

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    Re: FuFu response – To whoever you are….Braniac was bullying Lily because Lily disagreed with her naive opinions. She says Madonna is influencing society in a bad way, but how is her behaviour any better, if someone disagrees with her she will attack you and puff up her shoulders and try to make herself look like the man (not hard) so they back down. She does this under the guise of intellectualism and feminism but she doesn't sound very educated to me. Her behaviour is as bad as what she claims Madonna's is - it's just on a smaller scale because no one cares what she thinks.

    Personally I think Madonna has had a great influence on society. She promoted AIDS awareness in the 90's and promoted gay rights, was a good influence on her generation, and speaks out against intolerance. How is that bad for society? And what is wrong with her using her sexuality. It doesn't make her a slut. Those words are not the same thing. The problem is not with what Madonna is doing but more with how it is interpreted and perceived by people such as Braniac…she is the problem.

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    Re: Fufu – Sounds to me like you don’t like hearing smack about Madonna. Brainiac is sayin there isn’t a need for Madonna to be so overt – what’s wrong with that? Look at all the pop crap today, overly sexualized, overly promiscuous. How is that helping people? A celebrity dies and it makes news (Whitney), yet there’s a Eurozone crisis, and there’s a war in Sudan. Doesn’t make news. How has Madonna helped on that front, how has any celebrity helped on that front. Open your eyes from celebrity and start thinking for yourself.



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    Re: Fufu
    Oh, YAWN.
    Madonna and feminism, yadayadayada.
    You talk like she's the only person to ever have any affect on the Women's Equal Rights Movement.
    Tell me, is every woman supposed to support her?
    (Read this thread; not every woman DOES.)
    Am I supposed to kiss her ass now because she sang about being fucked like a virgin so many years ago?
    Should all lesbians bow down & thank her because her version of "art" spawned the likes of Britney, Christina, Rihanna, and Gagme? How have ANY of these young women affected feminism?
    Is wearing a see-through nylon outfit with zippers over your twat & tits a GOOD thing for the women's movement?
    Does prancing around in a cheerleader outfit, feeling up your own ass and spanking some dude do ANYTHING to foster equal rights for women?
    Do you seriously think that chauvinistic men watching a bunch of grown women act like highschool sluts makes them want to treat us LESS like sex objects, or more?

    According to YOU, Madonna has saved us all from being married, barefoot at home with the kids, shutting up and being someone's bitch.
    According to YOU, Madonna is the Queen of the Fucking Universe.
    (I'd rather vote for Sally Ride.)

    And my last words on the topic: (because I'm tired of repeating myself, here.)
    You seem to have a problem with my being educated on the subject.
    Thanks to women like Sally Ride - and not Madonna - I was able to GET an education.



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    Re: Fufu
    Ok, just one more comment: (I can't resist, because I'm ROFL here.)

    RE: "…if someone disagrees with her she will attack you and puff up her shoulders and try to make herself look like the man…"
    :)
    Project much?
    Just what the crap would you call what YOU did, Fufu?
    You disagreed with ME, and instead of debating me with an argument based upon your own opinions - as I have attempted to do with each post, despite the foul language and name-calling - you (ahem) puffed up your shoulders and tried to sound (ahem) manly by calling me a…
    … wait for it…
    "ugly, disgusting man bitch."

    And now, this ugly, disgusting man bitch with an education is Over and Out.
    Ciao, folks.

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    Re: Fufu response – Sounds to me like you can't get past people having fun with their sexuality. I suggest you open your eyes, get off the perez hilton website and start diverting your energies towards the things you say you care about so much. I mean I've heard of moving targets but boy you really have dropped the ball on this one.

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    Re: Brainiac – Oh I said bullying people, I don't really consider you a person. More a, well I've already said it havn't I, man-child.

    I thought you said the last post was going to be your last. Feel the need to always get the last word in much? Feel like you just don't get heard. it's cause your ugly. I'd say you could work on that but that would be similar to asking Mariah Carey to not look like a chubby monkey, I would suggest working on your anger. hahaha. Good luck ugly.

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    Re: Brainiac – Oh look another capitatalized word from amoeba smarts here. I'm so glad you decided to share with the Perez Hitlon website another dribbling dialogue or your feminist garbage. I don't talk about Madonna as been the only woman to have an impact on the woman's rights movement, I am talking about how you have had no effect on the womans rights movement. Probably because you waste your time trolling perez hilton websites rather than been productive and doing the things you say you care about. I bet your doing research right (wink). Your such a smart little girl! I'd rather you didn't kiss her ass because at this stage we dont' know how your infections are spread and we don't want an epidemic (we assume it's not sexual transmission since the chances of that happening with you are nil). Do I think that wearing nylong over your tits and twat is a good thing HELL YES. But please don't try this at home Braniac, as nylon can only hold so much and my fear would be that the young pretty girls trapped inside your vagina may try to make a break for freedom. Your tits are ok - flaps of skin don't have much weight. I don't tend to care what chauvanistic men think nor what feminists think. But maybe if feminists had spent more time barefoot and in the kitchen we wouldn't be in the mess we are today with double income households bringing down the value of the dollar. Now woman don't even have the time to dress up like sluts anymore I mean FUCK.

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    Re: Brainiac – Ugly, your on a perez hilton website arguing about feminism issues. I don't have a problem with you been educated if that was actually the case. It's just I don't think you are…I think your a bit….stupid. Go write a paper and publish it in Feminisms's against hot chicks weekly, or do you require a community college diploma for that? Darn life really hasn't treated you well has it.

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    Re: Brainiac
    Before Madonna, you had artists like Heart, Joan Jett, Pat Benatar, Chrissie Hynde, Siouxsie Sioux, Annie Lennox, Grace Jones, Patti Smith, Kate Bush, etc who were trying to fight sexism in a male-dominated industry. Madonna came along, took everything they already did and ran with it, and now everyone champions her as a feminist because she paved the way for today's female pop stars and supposedly empowered women and made them feel good about sex (as if women didn't already know how to have great sex). What she actually did was make the strong, independent female rock star practically obsolete (where's today's version of Jett or Hynde..bad ass women who can rock a guitar?). She may have paved the way for a lot of these pop stars, but I fail to see how it's such a great thing when the majority of female singers are still overly sexualized, when talent is forsaken for image, especially when the above mentioned artists were trying hard to fight that.
    *
    I can respect Madonna as an entertainer; she's had some great tunes and made the 80s and early 90s more interesting until she started taking herself too seriously. And I respect her fight for gay rights and AIDS causes, although people seem to forget Dionne Warwick and Olivia Newton-John were also one of the first to stand up for some of the same causes, but since they're not on the level of celebrity as M, they're hardly even mentioned.

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    Re: Brainiac – Oh sorry I tried to respond to your last nugget of information but for some reason it didn't post. Ugly, it's not that I have a problem with you 'having' an education, I'm all for it, it's just I don't think you do…..I think you a bit…..stupid. Why don't you get a degree from community college and start publishing manuscripts in 'Feminists - why we hate our vagina's and therefore pretty girls too'. But thats ok I see you have got around this issues by consistently telling people how smart you are, calling yourself brainiac, capitalizing words, and going on websites where there is a slim chance an actual feminist will be on that would rip a hole the size of your vagine in your argument in a few seconds flat. Is that cleared up? No not your infections my argument silly!

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    Re: BC – I don't disagree with anything you said. I don't think Madonna can be blamed for that though IMO. She shouldn't change how she wants to act to please others as that would be somewhat anti feminism?

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    Re: Fufu
    I don't think she's solely to blame either. I'm sure she didn't come on to the scene, and think, "Hey, I'm going to turn things around and make everything more vapid and shallow." If anything, it's the record companies who were so quick to jump on the bandwagon to sign and market the next Madonna to their labels.



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    Re: Brainiac – your wisdom is endless!!!! lmfaoooooooooooooooOOOOO!!!!



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    Re: Fufu – love you!!!! brainiac is a typical bedwetter!! it's cute!!!!

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    Re: Brainiac – you? on a Madonna post? AGAIN? awkward!!!

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    Re: BC – Well I think Madonna has had a good influence, and I don't see it as a bad thing that the new generation wants to mimic her. However, I definitely see your points, and don't really disagree with what you are trying to say. I certainly would like other people to be more original and develop their own sense of self like all the people we just mentioned. In large part any differences we have in a opinions, seems to me, are a result of personal taste, and therefore I respect your opinions.

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    Re: FuFu
    Thanks. And I'm a fan of Madonna, btw, so I'm not trying to throw shade at her. Been with her since "Holiday" first came out. I think I'm just more critical of her, but that doesn't make me less of a fan, I don't think.

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    Why should Madonna stop using fake guns in her show when the movie that is linked so tragically directly to the shooting is still in theatres all over the world reaching way more viewers than Madonna?



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    Madonna has NEVER compromised her artistic integrity and never will. She's been around for almost 30 years and people still don't seem to understand that. People are WAAAAAY to sensitive. Truly sorry for all the people who died and their loved ones, but the show must go on. Just think about how many people all over the world die by being shot everyday in Africa, the Middle East…everywhere. Just because this happened in the US, now everyone is paying attention to this.

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    Re: goodtasteishardtofind – I couldn't agree more. I'm pretty sure most Americans didn't even hear of famous shootings in New Zealand or other countries when they happen. But when they happen in USA they force everyone to pay respects by using hugely emotive arguments and guilting people into silence if they have any objections. She was in Scotland, the police in Scotland have already stated in reality they never asked her to not have guns in her show and that was made up. In all due respect why should someone in Scotland give a shit about bad gun laws in the USA and the resulting consequences when most Americans couldn't give a shit about what happens in Scotland? I know it is not the average Americans fault but they, at least, need to realises their country is not the centre of the universe.

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    Re: BC – It's ok to be critical of Madonna, it's the methodology of that criticism I have issues with, with some people on this forum. But your criticisms were just that… criticisms, not attacks to justify some deep rooted insecurity (I hope Braniac is reading this).

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    People's pathetic accusations are just that, pathetic. I just did a theater search in Edinburgh, Scotland. Do you know what? They've got them. Do you know what is playing now at some of them? Dark Knight Rising. Seems not one person has a problem with that being played. So I'll refrain from faux outrage to something that was already in the show when it was worked on 6 months ago. The accusation of insensitivity would have weight if she didn't have guns in the show at all….and then put them in just after the shooting.

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    Re: TeamMariah – The guns have been in the show since it started. Your comment would carry more weight if she put them in the show BECAUSE of the event. It wasn't so it's not a problem. And whatever idiot thought she would be arrested because she had fake guns in her show are also pathetic. Edinburgh is not the back of beyond, they are a major city…guess what, I'm sure they have theaters (live and movie) and television. I'm sure there are someplace people can rent these things we call…DVDs and Blue Rays. And I'm sure they all pulled every film and television show from the shelves all over the world in response to the shooting in Colorado for some period of time. You know, surely they did this in AMERICA, or even the state of Colorado. Since I'm in the PNW, I can tell you that didn't happen. I watched a marathon of criminal minds on one day after it happened. Where is your outrage now? Get going with those emails to television executives and stop worrying what someone is doing at a show that no one was forced to attend on a completely separate continent. The only one making waves about this are people in the media because…it sells news. Because like the music industry they have a lot of competition and if they can rile up the easily provoked masses, they can sell advertising space…click…pathetic non-news story loading now.



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    The point is, regardless of the Colorado shooting, the whole entire concept of her concert is a joke. First of all mid 50's woman wearing a cheerleading outfit, seriously? How does that woman not get laughed off the stage? secondly, the fact that she has to use fake guns & "light hearted violence" in her show is just to get attention because she's a worthless whore. she's a relevant to the united states and all the street people anyway. she has become such a mockery of her former self for several decades now.



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    Re: Brainiac – Hey Brainiac how about doing some actual research on the topic before reacting emotionally? About 12-13 thousand people die every year from gun related homocides, most of those are criminals according to the FBI,BUT 2.5 MILLION people annually protect their lives and property with guns. All dictators through out history have taken away the people' right to self defense. Don't side with Hitler, Stalin, and Mao that's just EVIL.

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    Re: VadgeIsAHag – Considering that she is only 53 I find it hard to believe she is a mockery of herself for several decades. So your not exactly smart we know that now. She's a relevant to the United States, well great I agree she is relevant to the USA but lets not forget there is a whole world out there that loves her too. Probably why she keeps having the biggest tour of all time by a solo artist only to be beaten by herself next tour. I know you can't afford to go because your low intelligence stifles your career prospects, just like how it stifles your ability to read into what she is trying to achieve in her show by wearing those costumes. I think what your meaning when you say a 53 yr old shouldn't be wearing a cheerleading outfit is that ugly people shouldn't. So fine, you shouldn't wear a cheerleading outfit, but she is still hot and so it is perfectly acceptable. For someone who loves to hate Madonna and call her a whore I love how you have spent a lot of effort to name yourself after her. It's kind of cute how obsessive even non-Madonna fans can be about Madonna. Now that is success isn't it!

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    Re: zendog76 – Asking Braniac to do actual research is like asking a dog not to piss on the pavement. In both cases someone always has to clean up the mess. I think Braniac's idea of 'research' is arguing with people on Perez forums.

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    Re: goodtasteishardtofind
    You kind of have to have some artistic integrity first before you can consider compromising it.

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