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The bullying against Chick-Fil-A by the gays is actually discriminatory in that they aren't doing the same to other Christian fast food chains such as In N' Out burger. Next time you eat at In N' Out Perez, check their packaging and underneath the inside of the cup… it will read, 'John 3:16". As in, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".
That sign says everything. Yeses!
I support both sides and still enjoy Chick-Fil-A and love me some gays. Not everyone has to agree. It's good food and if you don't like it don't patronize them.
Re: tjmax – This is not about religion. It is about donations to groups that want to make gay marriage illegal. That is discrimination and oppression.
Yes! The major thing people don't understand about this story is the money Chick-Fil-A has given to groups that work not just against gay marriage but homosexuality in general. People want to believe it's only about what the COO said, but that has very little to do with it; get all the facts people!
Re: tjmax – It's not about being anti-religion. How does the quote under the cup discriminate against anyone? Chick-fil-A actively tries to stop people from their civil rights. The gay protesters weren't trying to stop people from their religion. Why are these groups and companies trying to stop gays from marriage when it has no affect on them whatsoever?
Re: Lady Who? – No, it was the uneducated, trailer trash, and sister-marrying hillbillies who contributed to their record sales. Most paid with food stamps.
Re: rosebud99 – I'm curious re: your views re: amending the definition of marriage to include same sex couples. With no sarcasm intended, do you support the definition of marriage to include anyone who wants to get married (as by your reasoning, anyone who wants to get married should be able to), so would that include, ie: a man who wants multiple wives/polygamy, a woman who wants to marry her adult son, a person who has been medically diagnosed as being seriously mentally challenged, first cousins who want to wed, a sister wanting to marry her brother, minors (ie: under age 10) whose parents give legal consent, etc?. If the rationale for supporting same-sex marrige is "all people should be free to marry whoever they want and should equal rights", then in your view, would that theory not apply to the examples above?
Re: Meggie246524 – Tricky question. With so many of these scenarios, such as polygamy, and mental disability, it can be very difficult to discern between consent and coercion. Many of these brides of polygamy marry willingly because the alternative is shunning or worse. That is not consent, it is coercion. Same with a disabled person - measures would have to be taken to ensure there is no coercion. I don't think it is appropriate for a minor to wed - again, there is too big of a risk of coercion - even, or especially with parental consent. I am not so sure about rules on consanguinity - so I have no position on that. But for the most part, gay marriage involves consenting adults who simply want a life together like any other couple. Personally, I think marriage is an antiquated tradition based on the transfer of ownership of a woman from her father to her husband. I would rather see an equal system of civil unions for everyone, and if a couple, for religious reasons, or other reasons, wants a traditional marriage ceremony, they can do that too, but it would be the civil union that carries the legal clout.
If it's not about "free speech" then why did all the hate from the homosexual community start after Mr. Cathy answered a question that was presented to him about the definition of marriage? Did no one research (before this) who this CHRISTIAN company was donating money to? Seems to me like it all started because of what he said and all of you just keep looking for a reason to keep your pink panties in a wad. Chick-fil-A isn't the only company who donates to Christian organizations (not HATE groups) and they won't be the last. Just the same as other gay-friendly businesses donate to gay causes. Get over it already.
Re: rosebud99 – Thanks - appreciate the well-reasoned response.
We've seen how the extremists have responded to Cathy's beliefs - by calling him a bigot, saying he's anti-gay and has an anti-gay agenda, that he's a hater, etc. A lot of anger and a lot of nastiness. People can believe in something and support it without having any ill will towards those that don't share their beliefs. I certainly empathize with the frustration the LGBT community must feel not being able to marry in many states. But I cannot empathize with the lying, name-calling, and tantrums I've read as responses. For a group that preaches tolerance, I have not seen any. Especially after reading another Cathy comment, "While my family and I believe in the Biblical definition of marriage, we love and respect anyone who disagrees". If you find fault with the charities his family donates to, create charities that help the LGBT families. Just stop the animosity and ugliness and use all that negative energy towards something better.
Thanks yes i was close just missing a factor donations to hate groups
yes thats uncool
Re: Lady Who? – i guess u spent all ur food stamps on it what a shame …
Re: Lady Who? – He didn't use it to buy no chicken, he used it to buy a quart of Schlitz Malt.
Just ’cause you don't agree with (what) someone (does), doesn't mean you hate them.
The problem that I have is that the person who works in, and/or owns your local Chick Fil A is NOT the one giving millions to any hate group. He (or she) is trying to employ people and put food on the table for his employees & their families.
Protest at the CORPORATE OFFICES, not where these everyday people are trying to make a living.
And I will always support Chick-Fil-A 100% and any other company that stands up for what is right and not immoral!
re: Meggie246524 …..rosebuds answer was bullshit….she very slyly disagreed with all those forms of marriages without actually saying so, so that she wouldnt be called a hypocrite…i thought you posed an excellent question and would love it if people actually asked this of everyone who thinks anyone should be able to get married…….and before i get attacked for being a homophobe by anyone, i dont care one way or another what they do, that is between them and God
It's Their right to donate where they like. Starbucks supports Prop 8.
Microsoft donated $100,000 to Washington Family's Standing Together,
Apple donated $100,000 to prop 8 .
I could go on. Its America its called freer speech. If you don't like where a company donates just buy their product.
Just because some people feel that marriage is meant to be between a man and a woman doesn't mean that we HATE anyone.
But I suppose using that word draws attention to your cause even if it's a total fabrication. But then again, you never let facts get in the way of your posting here.
Re: leanne – This has nothing to do with free speech. Free speech deals with the government and its relationship to its people. The right for one person to tell another person they are a bigot is not free speech, it's just society. Chick Fil A is being protested because of the donations it gives to bigoted organizations in order to stop equality. The same people standing up for 'free speech' by going to chick fil a were the ones saying they were 'standing up' for free speech in the 1960's when they said black people couldn't walk into their restaurant. For the last time, this is NOT about free speech. Educate yourself on the free speech amendment. You look foolish.
Re: joethehobo – Actually, Chick-fil-a originally was protested due to Cathy's beliefs. Then it unfairly manifested into him being anti-gay and having an anti-gay agenda. Just recently has the protest evolved into who the company donates to. Now on to the Freedom of Speech Amendment. Your perception of freedom of speech would be correct somewhat if it were still 1791. However, it has evolved over time and is now basically defined as the liberty to speak and otherwise express oneself and one's opinions. Freedom of expression typically falls under this category and includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium, be it orally, in written, in print, through the Internet or through art forms. This means that the protection of freedom of speech as a right includes not only the content, but also the means of expression. So dear sir, perhaps you should be the one to educate yourself on the free speech amendment before you make yourself look foolish. With that said, even though I disagree with what you say, you do have the right to say it. ….cont'd….
…… I would like it if someone, perhaps you joethehobo, could show me where in the companies manifesto that receives donations from Chick-fil-a where it states their goal is to stop equality. Because every one I've read mentions nothing relating to the LGBT community. Can you help me out with this, joethehobo? Otherwise, it's just libel. And that is not protected under freedom of speech.
So if it's a group with an opposing view it's a hate group? It IS about free speech. A person should be allowed to have an opposing view and say it, even donate money to support it if that is what they feel they should do without being attacked and harassed by people looking for a fight. No one called Obama a hater when he was opposed to gay marriage 6 months ago, it's not like he suddenly woke up and agreed with it. It's all about votes and elections. I support the first amendment and Dan Cathys right to say what he wants. He did not insult anyone, he was not rude. He stated an opinion and people have made it sound like he is putting anti-gay signs up in the stores and burning gays at the stake in front of them. All he said was that he believed in traditional marriage, he has donated money to other people who believe in traditional marriage. Just because it's an opposing view doesn't mean it's full of hate.
Re: Itisme – If it is discriminatory, it IS hate…
Re: WAHHHHHHHH! – I didn't agree with rosebud's position - I merely understood her perspective.
Absolutely true, it's about supporting discrimination!
Gee…I bet there's not one liberal out there that supports "hate groups"!!! The occupiers were a "Hate group"!!! Wake up people and stop being such hypocrites!!
Re: Seto – That's such a ridiculous & blanketed statement. Discrimination doesn't mean hate, ie: people with heart defects can't be pilots - that doesn't mean I hate people with heart issues. Adults can't play on pee-wee sports teams - that doesn't mean I hate adults. Boys can't go to private girl-only schools - that doesn't mean these institutions hate boys. Augusta National is a men's only club - it doesn't mean they hate women. Heterosexuals can't be married to more than 1 person at the same time - that doesn't mean they're hated. BET & the NAACP won't give an award to a white person - it doesn't mean they hate caucasians. Two Christians can't get married in a Jewish synagogue - that doesn't mean they're hated. Homosexuals can't get married in certain parts of the US - it doesn't mean they're hated. There's a difference btwn a "right" and a "want".
Re: Meggie246524 –
So as a heterosexual you have the 'right' to marry whoever you want. But as a homosexual, it is only a 'want.' Interesting. It is within our natural rights as human beings to choose who we spend our lives with and if one set of people get special treatment for it, then all people get it. It's called EQUALITY.
Re: hellothere – I think i am done responding to bigots and plain ignorance on this site, god ppl can be so stupid
Re: hellothere – Heterosexuals don't have the right to marry whoever they want. They can't marry a blood relative or a minor or more than 1 person at the same time or someone's who's already married to someone else, if you're married in the strict Catholic faith you can't be married more than once unless your first marriage is annulled, etc. Homosexuals don't have the market cornered on restrictive unions.
You want the facts? Here you go: It has been widely known, for YEARS, that Chick-Fli-A donates money to such groups. It wasn't until AFTER the President of the company made the "guilty as charged" statement that gay people decided to become butt-hurt about their policies and decide to hold protests to bully the company into recanting their stance. The issue that gays ran into was that they looked intolerant themselves for not respecting people opinions and beliefs, just the same as they wish to be respected. So to still give their "cause" justification, they are falling back on the donating money thing. There's no leg to stand on otherwise. If they cared about that issue, they should have gotten involved years ago. What they (the gays) SHOULD do is admit that they jumped to an unfair conclusion and unfairly denied their right to their own opinions. It's an unfortunate and unfair double standard. Take a good look at yourselves and examine what your REAL issues are, gay people, instead of throwing the "homophobe" label around so liberally. Live the lives you want to live and be happy. No person has the right to judge another person for any reason. Just live and let live. Let God or whatever force you believe in deal with the judgement part.
hey i am gay but we have the Consitutation in the Consitutation it states freedom of religion and freedom of speech. So Chick Fil A has the right to say what it wants. We Choose to not give them our business better yet we open a pro Gay Lesbian Bi type Chick Fil A
Re: JasonDiggy – You can't buy fast food with food stamps. Duh.
Sorry but I love their food, especially their original sandwich with lots of mayo. Wish I could eat there more often but it is hard for me to drive with a bad back.
Re: WillowWynde – You are incorrect. Freedom of speech has NOTHING to do with how the general public reacts to something. Freedom of speech pertains to how the government can or cannot limit the speech of its citizens. Now, make no mistake, as I have said previously on this site many times, I think Rahm Emanuel's refusal to grant a permit to a Chick Fil A in Chicago just because of their political beliefs is unconstitutional and wrong. I say let the people decide what Chicago values are, not one person. But back to my point: As stated in my previous post, which you seem to have either ignored or misunderstood, freedom of speech has NOTHING to do with what is going on here. If anything, your argument could prove that we as protesters are exercising our freedom of speech to protest Chick Fil A. Despite your long winded response and eloquent demeanor, I'm afraid you are still incorrect.
Re: WillowWynde – Chick Fil A has donated millions of dollars to groups called Focus on the Family and the National Organization for Marriage (don't get me started; the organization against marriage is called the organization for marriage) which are tax exempt, non-profit organizations who exist to sustain conservative values over the entire nation, which largely focuses on only allowing straight marriage and straight adoption. Just to give you an idea of what they are, Focus on the Family and NOM have both been labeled has hate groups at some point in time by our government.
I'm not quite sure why you're acting so coy about this when Chick Fil A has publicly stated that they stand by their donations to these organizations because they share interests that I listed above. If you think Chick Fil A donates to these groups and doesn't know where the money goes, how does that help your argument? On one hand you are saying Chick Fil A shouldn't be criticized for their actions, yet on the other hand you are stating that Chick Fil A didn't perform the actions in the first place.
Re: WillowWynde – You literally ask me to enlighten you further and now your're nowhere to be seen? Why am I not surprised.
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