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Lindsay Lohan Just Like Marilyn Monroe? Canyons Director Reveals LiLo's 'Psychodrama'!

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We've heard a lot of behind-the-scenes takes on the making of The Canyons. Even Lindsay Lohan herself has admitted to being a nightmare to work with during the infamous shoot.

Now finally the film's director Paul Schrader has given his own take on working with LiLo.

And far from a nightmare, Paul says working with Lindsay was 'a treat,' despite all the dramz! Though he does admit to the cray cray behavior as well! In fact, he compares it to the behavior of another troubled starlet- Marilyn Monroe! He writes:

"While preparing and directing The Canyons I was reading James Goode’s book The Making of the Misfits, and I was struck by the similarities between Marilyn Monroe and the actress I was working with, Lindsay Lohan…

Tardiness, unpredictability, tantrums, absences, neediness, psychodrama—yes, all that, but something more, that thing that keeps you watching someone on screen, that thing you can’t take your eyes off of, that magic, that mystery…

I think Lohan has more natural acting talent than Monroe did, but, like Monroe, her weakness is her inability to fake it. She feels she must be experiencing an emotion in order to play it. This leads to all sorts of emotional turmoil, not to mention on-set delays and melodrama. It also leads, when the gods smile, to movie magic. Monroe had the same affliction. They live large, both in life and on screen. This is an essential part of what draws viewers to them…

From a selfish point of view, from a director’s point of view, that is, from my point of view, it was a treat to work with Lindsay. All the drama, the mishegas, all the stress—that means little. A director can shoot around misbehavior. He can’t shoot around lack of charisma. I just wish it was easier for Lindsay."

Wow! What an interesting point of view! It certainly doesn't sound as bad as we've heard. Then again, maybe Paul is just blowing up Marilyn's Lindsay's skirt?

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63 comments to “Lindsay Lohan Just Like Marilyn Monroe? Canyons Director Reveals LiLo's 'Psychodrama'!”

  1. Aaron Saltzer says – reply to this


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    I pray this woman gets her life together. Comparing Lindsay to Marilyn Monroe is not good, in the sense that Marilyn is no longer here due to an O.D.

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    oh well in that case…she CAN fake…wasnt she totally hooked on Marylin Monroe? so…i guess she tries to be as big as MM…well forget it…different times now she is just a spoiled brad with trailer trash parents and addictions like so many young stars out there …nothing special about it…oh and truly bad acting also…

  3. MichJB says – reply to this


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    Lohan has more natural acting ability than Marilyn? Who the hell is this dickwad director? He never worked with Monroe - he got stuck with Lindsay and is still tring to polish the turd of a movie he made with her.

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    Re: MichJB
    Marilyn was never that great of an actress. She looked good… Just because she lived way when doesn't mean she had more talent. I agree with the director, I think Lindsay is extremely talented, but she needs to get her act together. If she comes to work on time, many more directors would be willing to work with her. It would be interesting if a top director gives her a break.

  5. Victor says – reply to this


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    Marilyn was a wonderful person and great on comedies, but she wasn't that good when having to play a dramatic role. I think Lindsay is more versatil than she was, and maybe that's what Schrader meant.
    I don't know if Lindsay Lohan can still get her sh*t together, but if she does, she has the potential to become one of the greatest actress of our time. She does, in fact, have that special thing that only a few - like Monroe - have.



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    Marilyn was 100 times more appealing on screen, but in all honesty, there ARE a lot of similarities between the two actresses. Both were total disasters at handling life. Hope Lindsay lives longer than Marilyn, but I doubt it.



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    Lindsey is NOTHING like Marilyn Monroe - sorry. I have NEVER seen ANY 'Magic" on screen with her. Her best films are her comedies. There is no "magic" to that. Lindsey has never "lightened up" a screen. She does not have the acting ability to be a great actress. She is just full of drama - that is it. NOTHING she has put out on screen warrants having to deal with her dramarama. This idiot director was probably not even born when Marily was alive, let alone work with her. Not like him reading ONE book by ONE director about her is going to make him an expert on what she was like to work with!



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    Yeah - she is SUCH magic on screen and that is why Liz & DIck flopped a giant belly flop!!!!! Her fantastic "talent"!!!!!

  9. Psycho Hyperbole says – reply to this


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    A treat? Sorry, but the quality of Lindsay's efforts to make a film in an adult role has been a consistent 100% fail. Marilyn was "charning", captavating and there was something about her in her movies, an innocence and likeability that Lindsay simply DOES NOT HAVE. There was a charming and cutsie-pie quality to Mariyln , she was FUN to watch and her less than stellar acting was made up for by her PRECIOUSNESS. Marilyn came across as a KIND, sweet girl on film, and that can NOT be said about Lindsay. Also, Marilyn Playboy spread and Marilyns iconic shot of her with her dress blowing up showing her granny panties …well, Lindsay flashing her bare beaver to the paps just isn't the same thing. There was a GLAMOUR, something REALLY SPARKY about Marilyns earlier years. Lohan, in Herbie, or Freaky Friday or Liz & Dick? Lindsay, just NEVER had that kind of magical quality in her late teens/twenties. There is nothing special there, in Lindsay work after her teenie bopper gigs were done. Sorry, but comparing Lindsay to Marilyn, is just WRONG and pretty desperate hype designed to get action for Canyons.

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    That picture is gross. Her legs are all bruised up and she looks like she has an old kotex in her underpants that needs changing. Yuk!



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    What? Marilyn Monroe was a very underrated actress with quite a lot of raw talent. Lohan is extremely overrated. On her best day, she's average and replaceable.

  12. What is LEFT? says – reply to this


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    Re: kabuki girl – Comparing Lindsay & Marilyn is just a way to get headlines & attention for Canyons. I agree they have little in common besides they both were emotionally abandoned as children; were/lonely insecure little girls who desperately wanted to be loved & adored. However, I have to agree that Marilyns OUTPUT was ADORABLE. She is just the cutest thing in the world in Some Like It Hot & Diamonds Are a Girl Best Friends, etc. Mayilyn was INTRIQUING & DELIGHTFUL on film; "cute", fun, charming, innocent, APPEALING & sexy without appearing to be trying really hard to be sexy. Lindsay's acting (I haven't seen parent trap but am willing to agree she was adorable, because the masses say so) but in adult roles she has been awful. Liz & Dick was so BAD I could NOT watch it, more than 5 minutes here, 5 mintues later and that was all for one night. It was A MOCKERY and insulting to the real Liz Taylor, and was such an embarrassment for Lindsay in her "comeback role". It was PAINFUL to watch. I do believe Lindsay HAS HAD an artist SPARK, what some call the "it" factor, but Hollywood is not the right genre. I also do not know if her "gift" or spark or "it" has SURVIVED what she has done to her brain for the last 10 years. If meth can eat her teeth like it did, what it God's name did it to SOFT TISSUE in her head?

  13. Little In Common says – reply to this


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    I also think it's relevant that Marilyn career was during a time when woman had no real power in Hollywood. & No INTERNET. I do see the similarity between MM & LL in that they were both rather desperate to be liked & wanted. To compare them as similar because of alcohol/pills & .. they .. both had …vaginas ? …LLs temper tantrums on set, being late, being a psychodiva, they didn't result in QUALITY OUTPUT. Maybe MM's acting wasn't the greatest, but it wasn't FORCED or UNNATURAL. People LIKED MM. The public doesn't LIKE LL. Go to a mall & show 100 people a pic of LL and ask, "do you KNOW who this woman IS?" & WATCH THEIR FACES! LL is LOATHED in society. Her acting abilities aren't even a real consideration anymore in her public appeal/marketability because she's a chronic DUI, thief, liar, hit&runs on PEDESTRAINS. Her yrs &yrs of sociopathology has turned the world OFF of wanting anything to do with her. Bring up her name at a social dinner &the whole table will go silent - respond as if you just did something VULGAR & no one knows what to say. Her INABILITY to ACT like a RESPECTFUL MEMBER OF SOCIETY is WHY her Movie Star days are GONE. Who wants to see Leona Hemsley play the lead in a romantic comedy?

  14. TaylorTFair says – reply to this


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    Re: Little In Common – JJF Lindsay and MM have much in common . Lindsay has the same effect on camera as MM you can't take your eyes off of her . LL does show an innocents in her movies . LL eyes speak . Not keep in mind LL and MM were both late on the set , both causing drama , sometimes messed up or out of it . Not the first time a Star will do this and not the last . Remember both even with all this hoopla were still hired . Why ? Because they sell ! If the right part come along for Lindsay I am sure people would want to watch .
    Yes Lindsay has made mistakes but I still have to say the Media blows everything out of proportion . Lets see how LL is out of rehab . Directors when LL is ready Please give her a chance !



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    Lindsay read the same book! Granted, it may have taken a while. She is nothing and tries to live vicariously through dead stars. How's that working out?

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    Re: TaylorTFair – You are entitled to your own opinion. I do not share it. I thought Liz & Dick was a disgrace. I wouldn't watch Canyons if you paid me $5K. I think the pics of her in the Canyons make her face look weird & fake from all the fillers/surgery whatever she's done. I have NEVER heard anyone say they found it hard to take their eyes off of Lindsay when she is on the screen. I actually can not imagine what movie L was in that you thought she was so mesmerizing that one couldn't take their eyes off of her. But, to each their own. I am afraid you are very naïve in the BUSINESS END of Hollywood. Lindsay isn't SPECIAL anymore, she has NO CLASS. People 'see her' as a junkie-whore. Taylor, you just aren't taking the MARKETABILITY of L into consideration. Also, she has BEEN MISERABLE being an actress for the last ten years. She can't GO BACK to being a CHILD actress. She looks 40. She's kinda too old, too fried out looking — for the hot roles anymore anyway.

  17. Power Player? says – reply to this


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    Re: TaylorTFair – Taylor, Lindsay BEGGED for the part in Liz and Dick and she was fired at least once from the production. The Canyons didn't have a lot to choose from. Lindsay worked for a $100 day and was required to do naked group sex scenes. Those are the only movies she's starred in in almost a decade? Honey, that isn't a powerful, "wanted" actress in Hollywood. Also, MM wasn't a criminal, didn't destroy or steal property from the sets (to the best of my knowledge) or indulge in suing big pocket companies over & over - over ridiculous claims of being infringed on. Lindsay REAL personality is a bigger factor in Hollywood than what ends in in the can. It matters to people WHAT the stars in the movies ARE REALLY LIKE. Mel Gibson was a talented man. His phone aint rigging off the hook for parts in big movies anymore.

  18. TaylorTFair says – reply to this


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    Re: To Taylor, – JJF I know all too well about the business end of Hollywood .
    I also know Everything that comes along with it . Lets look at MM that you and I are found of .
    MM admits herself that she got roles from the Directors couch . MM did not start taking pills on her own . If she was tired she was GIVEN pills to wake her , if she could not sleep Pills to help , If she was nervous here take some more pills . Till MM starts to believe she needs them . They to keep the Studio happy ride in the fast lane MM get seen be seen . More Champagne MM?
    Sure you are a star ! Failed marriages , hidden family secrets covered up by managers etc . No one cared , no one helps , The business builds you up to be something special above the law because the Studio will cover up anything . Now after they use you up they continue to squeeze every dime they can get on a bad rep . JJF truth be told Lindsay still sells

  19. BobbieFisher2 says – reply to this


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    No, Mr. Paul-one-hit-wonder-Schrader, you are wrong. She is nowhere near the talent and charisma of Marilyn Monroe. You are WRONG. Just like you've been wrong for 99% of your entire film career. I seem to remember George C. Scott saying (while in the midst of filming a flop directed by Schrader) that he'd do one more take only if Mr. Schrader promised never to direct again. That's how bad Mr. Schrader is.

    Mr. Schrader has a film coming out - that's why he's saying this. To get us riled up. But his purposely obtuse insults regarding Marilyn Monroe not having as much "talent" as Lohan - are definitely NOT going to entice me to buy a ticket to this piece of celluloid sh!t with Lohan's COPD sighing and telegraphing. Lohan's acting stinks as much as her horrid, sh!tty hair extensions. And Christ, cover those bruises!

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    Re: Power Player? – JJF no one knows what Lindsay is Really like because they buy into the hype of Trash rags . Mel 's down fall was when his phone call was recorded he could not deny that call if he tried . No one has taken the time to find out what Lindsay is really like and send it to the media . Negative out sells Positive stories . Till someone takes the time to show what LL is really like LL should not be labeled till people KNOW the truth

  21. TaylorTFair says – reply to this


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    JUST FOR YOU JJF . SOUND FAMILIAR ?
    "The Daily Commercial" Newspaper of Leesburg Florida. It is Dated March 1, 1956. Marilyn was arrested on November 21, 1954 for driving too slow, not having a valid drivers license and failing to appear in court. Her total fines wer $56. The judge told her that if she would have appeared at the time of citations, he would have dismessed the charge but because she waited so long to appear and missing court dates, he had to give her fines.

  22. To Taylor, says – reply to this


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    Re: TaylorTFair – Yes, Lindsay still sells. She sells stories in gossip media. Using her name can get people's attention since the world is kinda scared to hear what Lindsay does next, seeing as though A DUI where she killed someone, or an OD in hotel room is what a lot of people EXPECT will be the next Lindsay Lohan news. I can't argue with anything you say about what Hollywood does to pretty little orphan girls, but it is what it is. There are bad people who do bad things to their workers in the meat packing business so Hollywood is not alone is USING people or such. The BIG difference between MM and LL for the argument in regards to this Directors ridiculous PR press release in regards to Canyons, is people LIKED MARIYLN. Marilyn was a NATURAL SEXY girl. She had an innocence about her. Lindsay does NOT have an innocent LOOK as an ADULT. She comes across as STUPID, it is NOT the same thing. Marilyn had APPEAL. Marilyn was NOT a notorious SHIT HEAD, THEIF and PSYCHO CASE on EVERY SET, every time. I do NOT believe you have any real KNOWLEGDE of what MARKETING is about in Hollywood. Your statements are much too ignorant — you show here that YOU do NOT comprehend what the REAL problem is with Lindsay trying to be a Hollywood Actress again.

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    Re: To Taylor, – Lindsay has done the same sh@t as other actor and actresses
    Its just easier to target LL . Hmm Reese gets involved in DUI with her husband misbehaves and after 1 week its gone . Lindsay can do the same thing and it goes on for months of nothing more than BS . BTW I know all to well about marketing Strategy in the business and thats all it is a Strategy . For exactly the reason you state people read is exactly the reason Lindsay is a Media TARGET no matter what she does

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    Re: TaylorTFair – You can NOT possible consider MM getting a slow driving ticket in the 50's as some kind of comparision to LL MULTILPLE DUS, coke use, car-jacking, hitting pedestirans, - good lord, Taylor, are you on drugs or something? And, as far as your point that nobody knows the real story about Lindsay, Well, her parents send in most of the media stories, so have her parents report SOMETHING GOOD that she has done, and it will get into meda too. People don't know the good side of Lindsay because it is TOO HARD TO FIND. NOT INTERESTING TO LOOK AT, Taylor, people aren't interested in Lindsay life, because Lindsays life isn't that interesting except for all these insane behaviors & endless crimes she keeps getting herself into. There is NO GOOD LINDSAY NEWS. What, you think she opened a girls school for those sex-trafficking victims she reported on years ago and no one has bothered to MENTION al the humanitarian works that Lindsay Lohan slaves away with …when she's not being arrested in a nightclub for smacking a chick IN THE FACE? Do you think the media SHOULD MAKE UP LINDSAY DOES GOOD STORIES? All Lindsay has to do IS SHOW US THE GOOD LINDSAY, media WILL PRINT IT.

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    Re: WHAT THE HELL? – hey law breaking is law breaking not having a valid drivers license and not showing up for court . Or is this because its MM ? Lindsay HAD 2 DUI's 6 years ago . Lindsay Never hit anyone with her car nor was charged .
    Even if Lindsay does something good the media will Never print it because it wont sell .
    The name of the game for the media is Money as if they care what they do to a person as long as they can sell . Any Good Lindsay does would get bashed . Seems like you have not a clue to how the media works

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    Re: TaylorTFair – reese got into ONE DUI and I do believe she was not DUI but SHE was a PASSANGER in the car? And it was her snottiness & arrogance that was at issue, NOT HER DRIVING DRUNK? You seem to FAIL to comprehend that LINDSAY IS A HABITIAUL DRUNK DRIVER & ADULTS FIND THAT REPLUSIVE -AS IT IS A CLEAR INDICTION THAT LINDSAY DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE SAFTEY OF OTHERS. Multiple DUIS. Reese has a LOT of QULAITY WORK behind her, her acting like a drunken fool one day, when she DIDN"T CAUSE HARM TO ANYONE OR THEIR PROPERTY, Come ON Taylor, you are getting too absurd to think that Reese & Lindsay are even on the same planet as far as having somethings in common. Lindsays CRIMES & SOCIALLY HARMFUL ACTS, her STEALING from sets, friends, parties, … she VICTIMIZES those around her. That is a lot different than being a drunken ass one day. The stories in media that HARM LINDSAY'S REPUATION, are TRUE, so, boo hoo the media reports on them. Maybe if her PARENTS would quit ALERTING THE MEDIA to report on Lindsay every burp & fart, …well what do you expect Taylor, the media to IGNORE Lindsay was drinking & driving AGAIN and wrecked a Porsche and BLAMED HER ASSSIATANT/LIED TO THE COPS? THOSE ARE CRIMES TAYLOR, not just gossip.

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    Re: TaylorTFair – Ok, you're drinking or something because you are just getting waaaay out there. That's ok, but you need to slow down and think about what you are writing before you write it. Well, it sounds like you have it all figured out that the media is after Lindsay and they ALWAYS WILL BE and The Media will NEVER report anything good about her, so why even try huh? The media is made up of a lot of different PEOPLE Taylor, it is not a big mean ENTITY that lives inside the internet and MAKES things up because it HATES people. With your "victim" attitude, your genuine beliefs that Lindsay is constantly shredded up, used, abused & mistreated by Hollywood and the media … how twisted is your mind that you come on here and argue that The Media and Hollywood are these HORRIBLE PEOPLE that ABUSE Lindsay and there is nothing anyone can do about it, and yet you want to be Lindsays life coach, so that you can somehow teach her how to EXCELL in Hollywood? I'm sorry Taylor, but you are coming across as drunk or something. If HOLLYWOOD & MEDIA abuse Lindsay, Lindsay just needs to STAY AWAY FROM ABUSERS… don't ya think?

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    Re: Oh my, – What Iam saying is other actor's stories go away . The Media keeps Lindsay's going to the max . LL can't even walk out of her house without someone saying LL stepped on my toe or their grass for that matter . People like to read BS because subconsciously it makes them feel better about themselves . BTW 2 is not multiple its 2 DUI"S 6 years ago . Now she is getting help let Lindsay live this down for the love of God !
    Lindsay Never hit a pedestrian and yet you STILL claim she did . This is exactly what the Media does . They make it out to be something IT'S NOT . No One knows what was told to Lindsay on the sets for all we know they could have told her to take some clothes NO ONE Knows the truth but sure makes money on it . What about Lindsay's feelings will you claim she has none ?

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    Re: Oh, my, my, my – It is because I understand how the business and the media works that I can help Lindsay to excel . Lindsay went to LA at a very young age wide eyed and mislead . If LL had someone there coaching her this all may have never happen .
    JJF think what you wish but I know you know what the business and media can do to someone young . It bothers me that even though LL is in rehab not many will let her live her past down .
    Lindsay only needs to prove to Herself who she is and just try to do the best she can

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    Re: TaylorTFair – I don't understand the question, what about Lindsays feelings? I do think she has feeling but they are all centered on HERSELF. I'm going to quit for the day because your position is coming across as you are intoxicated & being ridiculous. You are onto some MEDIA conspiracy about LL that I just do NOT believe exist in anyway. So, just keep watching the board. How you can blame MEDIA for abusing Lindsay when HER PARENTS are behind most of her stories, is something that shows a real IMPARIMENT in your logic system. If people wanted to take down an innocent actress because they were jealous of her, don't you think Jennifer Lawrence would have a bunch of stories out about her stealing, lying, flashing her twat at the press? What could possibly make you think you know ANYTHING about Lindsay, if you don't believe what you READ, and you don't know her? Read what you write when you sober up, and see if you can learn anything from it. Your mind is too scrambled for me to ever ENDORSE you giving Lindsay advice, and her taking it SERIOUSLY. But you don't NEED me to have a relationship with L. You COULD reach her, if you wanted to. She could REACH YOU, if she reads your post here & she wants to REACH YOU. If you don't know HOW to reach her, or she doesn't TRY to reach YOU, I would tend to believe, your idea to be Lindsays life coach — simply was not meant to be.

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    Re: Oh, my, my, my – No I do not think Lindsay needs to stay away . I think she needs to take some time to herself . Sharpen up her talent then return back to all the nay sayers and shove back at them . Lindsay is an Actress that is what she does . LL should Never give that up to no one . Lindsay do what you love to do just take some time and breathe . When you are ready look for the Right script but only when you are ready . Stop trying to take care of all around you they will be fine . Just focus on you ! Always in your corner Lindsay !

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    T: "She is an actress that is what she does." I have seen you write those EXACT WORDS before. Li is 27years old. A person can change careers at 48 and be a HUGE success in their new chosen field. L was FORCED into being a commercial image at the age of 3. She is NOT LOCKED INTO BEING something that she did as a JOB to make her mom happy —for the rest of her life. Further, I have also seen you write cheers for Lindsay to make a comeback & "return back to the nay sayers AND SHOVE BACK AT THEM." What an immature mindset to include REVENGE AGAINST STRANGERS as some kind of positive, POST-REHAB goal. Taylor, when a person is PROUD of their work, is PLEASED with their accomplishment, & a PERSON KNOWS they are respected for their work & their contributions to others. … the REAL SIGN of someone WHO HAS THIER SHIT TOGETHER, is that person - who is really a "cool cat", that person HAS NO DESIRE TO PUSH BACK AT OTHERS OR PROVE ANYTHING TO STRANGERS? When a person is GENUINELY SELF-CONFIDENT, they do not NEED or even WANT cheers, prizes, accolades or awards for their work. SHOVE BACK? What a STUPID goal, to spend your life working hard at something that doesn't make you happy, (you're not welcome in the industry?) just so you can PROVE something to someone that you don't even know or care about? Please GOD. covers everything you need.

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    Perez you need to get the message that almost no one care.

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    Re: To Taylor, NiteNowRe: Really? Revenge? – JJF I am not speaking of revenge at all . What I am saying is for Lindsay not to let people Dictate to her her talent . Show them instead !

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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – My point was when you KNOW you have talents - KNOW that your work is meaningful, you usually don't have ANY NEED to SHOW THEM! It's your attitude; Lindsay against the rest of the world. Lindsay against the haters, Lindsay against the nay-sayers. People are people, they like what they like. Lindsay doesn't NEED the approval of other people in order to have a good life. All she needs to do IS LIVE a good life & people won't despise her. Her desperation in NEEDING public approval, fans, awards, that insecurity is nothing more than a sign that she has no real mind of her own. And, I've seen this attitude of yours, T, where you have encouraged L to make a comeback & 'SHOW THEM!'. Show WHO -show WHO WHAT? & WHY? You can never please everyone else, and to be OBSESSED with what STRANGERS think of you, that's NOT healthy Taylor. If L wants to find peace of mind, she needs to find what makes her SOUL happy, not her EGO. Ego is NEVER SATISIFIED. — There is NO SECURITY in life, much less in Hollywood. Lindsay seems to be seeking a SOLID PLACE in Hollywoods Royal Court, but it CHANGES all the time. And, all the real royals of Hollywood, WORK HARD, WORK PROFESSIONALLY, & don't have their drunken mothers running their careers & their hideous PR nonsense that ALWAYS seems to make Lindsay look even WORSE.

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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – Also you say "for Lindsay not to let people Dictate to her, her talent." Wouldn't that INCLUDED YOU, dictate to Lindsay that she is very talented and should make a comeback and "shove back"? I mean, I know you are unhappy that people write that Lindsay doesn't have much talent, or any talent, in acting anymore. But you also are DICTATING Lindsay her talent, when you carry on about her talent and write that she should make a comeback and SHOW THEM. What ever COMES out of SHOVING BACK and SHOWING THEM? There is NO REAL PAYOFF for doing such a thing. Maybe a glimmer of a few seconds where one can take some satisfaction in "well, they were WRONG about me." But then, why the hell would you really care about what a stranger thought of you anyway? Lindsay doesn't need the whole world to APPROVE of her, she simply needs to be able to sell movie tickets to enough people to make some money for the movie.

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    Re: to Taylor, – I am not talking Lindsay's soul . Iam talking her career . Even the most talented of Hollywood royalty have their insecurities about their talent . Without fans , Studio approval , respect as an actor their careers in the industry would be slim to none . You are being rather odd by saying Lindsay against the world . You want Lindsay to do something other than act . Shouldn't it be about what Lindsay wants . To stay in the industry Lindsay likes yes JJF LL will have to show producers why they should hire her . LL has the talent and when LL is ready she will show it . Hollywood can be a nasty place studios once called j Crawford box office poison . Well now weren't they Wrong

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    Re: To Taylor, – JJF and who do you think buys the tickets ? STRANGERS , Fans , So Lindsay should not care about that ? Lindsay has expresses many times to her fans that she cares . I would rather dictate something positive and True to LL about her talent then the Dictation You give to her about being psycho to say the least . Honestly what good does that do anyone

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    You still seem to be missing that LINDSAY HAS NOT BEEN HAPPY BEING AN ACTRESS FOR THE LAST DECADE. People are NOT HAPPY if they are shrieking at their co-workers and bosses. They do NOT enjoy, OR RESPECT their work/the industry if they think it's cute to steal from sets or trash a trailer or plug up the plumbing on a set, just to be a passive-aggressive juvenile SHIT HEAD. You say, She is an Actress. Well, if I were a surgeon and the last ten yrs of my life I had killed about every patient I did surgery on, I think it would be SMART to turn to another career. She has NOT been HAPPY for over a decade. People who are HAPPY and ENJOY THEIR WORK, do not DRINK before they go to work and they don't act like PSYCHO BITCHES while they are at work. WHY would Lindsay WANT to be an actress when she isn't HAPPY doing the work, and she isn't any good at ALL THE OTHER PARTS OF THE JOB THAT ARE ESSENTIAL to the over-all being an entertainer package deal? Her work isn't very good, and she doesn't LIKE it.? If she would have ENJOYED her work, she would NOT have turned to BOOZE & DRUGS as a LIFESTYLE. Happy people don't TURN to drugs in order to "deal". Happy people do NOT stay STUCK in SELF-DESTRUCTION for YEARS.

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    Re: To Taylor, – I don't believe Lindsay's drinking has anything to do with her acting career it is much deeper issues LL is self medicating about . JJF you know Lindsay so ask LL if she is happy acting and you may be surprised .

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    I do think Lindsay should pay attention to what "fans" & "non fans" have to say. But it's clear she does NOT respect what the public has to say about her work, or her criminal behaviors because she DOESN'T CHANGE. For yrs people have been on these boards EXPLAINING what they do NOT like about L being a PAID entertainer in their lives. L does NOT listen to the feedback against her that does not flatter her. Well, if you are trying to sell a new cookie, you had better LISTEN to what the people who BUY COOKIES think about it. I have seen you write to L, "Don't listen to the haters, Lindz". The HATERS have $$ in their pockets that they are willing to spend on ENTERTAINMENT. If you are selling a product to the public, YOU BETTER TUNE INTO WHAT THE PUBLIC HATES ABOUT YOUR PRODUCT. - I don't think DICTATING ANYTHING TO A 27 YR OLD WOMAN, is something a STRANGER should ASSUME is their JOB. — I tell ya straight up, L has NO RESPECT for ass-kisser & cheerleaders. Girl, you just tell L, "I know what you need. I know how to get your career back on track." She will DISMISS YOU, UR ARROGANCE. You do NOT know what L needs. Her recovery IS something that takes DISCOVERY. Your arrogance that YOU know BETTER than L what L NEEDS, well, she is NOT going to BELIEVE you. YOU ASSUME you know what's best for a drug addict/psych patient that is a STRANGER to you? Seriously, would believe a STRANGER who wrote that to you?

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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – Taylor, PEOPLE WHO ARE HAPPY AND CONTENT IN THEIR LIVES DO NOT TURN INTO DRUG ADDICTS. THEY DON'T TURN INTO ALCOHOLICS. THEY DO NOT STEAL FROM THEIR FRIENDS AND LIE TO THE COPS. Ask Lindsay? The girl doesn't KNOW her own mind. For God Sake, the peirce morgan interview? Lindsay SAYS what she THINKS the public wants to hear. I don't have to ASK Lindsay if acting makes her happy, her life if a fucking mess filled with antisocial acts and tons of drug an booze. Don't you KNOW that what people ACTUALLY DO in their day to day lives, truly means a lot MORE than what they SAY?

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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – Whether Lindsaysdrinking is related to her acting is rather irrelevant since she has NO ABILITY to keep her drinking life SEPERATE from her acting. I am not inferring that Lindsay acting is WHY she drinks. I am saying an alcoholic/drug addict CRIMINAL who lies, steals and destroys other peoples property can not SEPERATE her acting into "this part of her life" and her antisocial choices and her criminal behaviors and addictions into "that part of her life". Think about it, if you were about to have a liver transplant, would it or would it NOT matter that your surgeon shows up DRUNK for your surgery and throws a temper tantrum and screams and yells at his surgical team? An DRUG ADDDICT/ALCHOLIC takes his SHIT with him EVERYWHERE he goes. Why she is a drunk …..that does NOT excuse that she just is one.



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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – I think she has a bigger core issue, Taylor, that she won't reveal. I support what you say here. For some people, Lindsay isn't talented. For others, she has special qualities and would like to see her reach her potential. Schrader stated his professional opinion. Agree with him or not, it's his opinion. Everyone has their tastes and opinions, it's right and wrong to them but usually not universal.

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    Re: To Taylor, – JJF Iam by no means arrogant . I have to tell you I do KNOW what works . Do you really think I knew everyone I pulled out of dark places before ? Can I make Lindsay a better actress ? Hell Yes . Can I help Lindsay stay out of trouble ?
    Yep can do . Does it sound crazy ? Perhaps but others I helped thought that at first too .
    Do statistics work with everyone ? Nope ! Btw Iam no ass kisser . Where has Lindsay ever said she hates cheerleaders ? I highly doubt LL has a problem with anyone who cheers her on

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    Re: Bobodo – Thank You Bobodo I also agree there are deeper issues . I just differ than most who think Lindsay is a lost cause . As I have said so Lindsay has made mistakes who hasn't ? Let LL get help and put her past behind her

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    If you say you know you can help Lindsay and restore her career "without a doubt" -That IS arrogance or DELUSION. What, you are some kind of GOD that KNOWS HOW Lindsay is going to REACT to you and your methods? If you are truly a gifted healer & a career savior, then perhaps some of the many people whose lives & careers you have saved could write Lindsay a letter about how HELPFUL you have been to them in saving their lives/careers and they can REFER Lindsay to you. If you are a gifted healer, you will NEVER lack for people to help, and if you truly are SOMEONE GIFTED, PEOPLE WILL SEEK YOU OUT. May I suggest that if you want to make your services available to Lindsay that you have several of your people that you saved write Lindsay and share their personal HEALING stories with her, and how they found you to be a RARE & GIFTED instrument in them regaining their lives. You can have them send their letters to Shawn Holley office and include your private email address so L can contact you if she is interested in your HELP. WHY would Lindsay TRUST someone who she has NEVER met that INSIST to her they KNOW what she NEEDS and they, alone, can TURN HER LIFE AROUND AND SAVE HER CAREER? WHY would Lindsay trust a STRANGER she has never heard anything about, to TAKE OVER HER LIFE & CAREER AND TELL HER WHAT SHE REALLY NEEDS?

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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – Taylor, how can you actually think you could be of help to Lindsay when you do NOT even COMPREHEND what you READ BEFORE YOU? I NEVER wrote Lindsay HATES cheerleader. That damn post is RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. I wrote she does NOT respect them. You can't even COMPREHEND a short paragraph —that IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, and YOU STILL GET THE INFORMTION WRONG? How the hell do you think you can help someone who is VERY ILL. VERY CONFUSED and in A LOT of legal trouble, when DOZENS of times now, you twist the written word into something that WAS NEVER EVEN WRITTEN? Maybe you should get your READING COMPREHESION up to at least the level of an 8th grader, before you publically declare your abilities to SAVE critically ill strangers. Unreal. You are delusional. You don't even understand half of what YOU read.

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    Re: To Taylor, – first please excuse my quoting you wrong Iam working of a cell phone which does not let me refer back to the post ok my mistake . Look here is the deal Lindsay has good reason not to trust anyone I don't expect her to trust me at all . Iam just putting it out there . I would Never ask anyone I have helped to credit me because of confidentiality agreements which I take Very serious . I don't advertise , it,s all by word of mouth or by whom I chose to work with . Tell me are you afraid I could help LL ?

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    AFRAID you could help her? How is that even a question? What would I be AFRAID OF? I have ZERO worries that you are going to influence Ls life in any genuine way, because your sloppiness in communication would alert her that you are NOT CLEAR HEADED enough in your communications to be useful to her. Like she is going to read your inconsistent blithering on these sites & think you could help her? Fine if you couldn't read the post from your cell-phone, but your MISTAKES are PREVELANT on these boards. You're slap-happy with no consideration about the CONSISTANCY in what you say in one post to something you write, that is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT a few post later! And as far as ASKING someone whom you have helped to REFER you… Honey, if you are as gifted a healer & career savior as you think of yourself, you would NOT HAVE TO ASK. People who have been HEALED are HAPPY TO SHARE their "secrets". So, you have NO REFERENCES, and you EXPECT Lindsay to..what? Move in with you? Would it not be TOTALLY INSANE of her, to read a confused & conflicted poster on a gossip site & decide, "YES, I am going to put my LIFE & CAREER into the hands of a STRANGER, with ZERO references. I will LISTEN & MINDELESSLY FOLLOW this stranger -who CAN NOT EVEN REMEMBER what she (or anyone else) writes from one post to the NEXT?" What do you want Taylor, if you have no references, and you aren't willing to REACH OUT… HOW do you expect to have Lindsay come into your life?

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    Re: Oh, Taylor….. – JJF I will Never understand why you are so Bitter towards me . I don't get it . Iam Completely Consistent with what I say about Lindsay . Why you must reply with insults is beyond me . I NEVER said Lindsay should follow me or be a "life coach "
    that is preposterous ! ALl I said was I could help LL . Oh I have references ,I am the one who REFUSES to use them . I do Not do this as a business , I do it as a passion ! I don't question you being a scientist yet you question knowing Nothing of what I do . I NEVER claimed to be "Gifted" Never call myself a "Healer" These are your words ! I don't expect LL to trust me . All I said was a challenge to Dina . Your idea's of me are so wrong ,Iam Nothing of what you think of me . Oh why would you be afraid ? Well Dear if I did help LL she would fall right out of your Statistic research . Please take a positive pill ugh so negative

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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – BTW I find it interesting that YOU claim to be a friend of Lindsay's whom she talks with and yet what help have you done with her . Hmmmm Must not have worked . Not to great of a Friend huh ? Sure does Su#K when people speak of things they know nothing of huh ? Get the picture

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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – typo … JJF did you think all the people/staff at BFC who are trying to help Lindsay all KNOW her ? Guess what they are all STRANGERS to LL !

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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – No, I don't get YOUR picture. Further, I don't believe I have ever said I was a FRIEND OF LINDSAYs, maybe I did, but I remember writing that I was a FRIEND TO LINDSAY. There's a difference. (For the record, she did write me I was her BFF once; so THERE!) And maybe you don't know what happened (that I was involved in) when she jumped Morningside and went on the lam. I was in contact with her, and I don't need to toot my own horn, but Lindsay avoided going to jail, didn't she? I have NEVER made any claim that I could HELP Lindsay, or cure her or do ANYTHING for Lindsay, and I have tried to be CLEAR that my "main" interest in L's life has more to do with her "case history" as a scientific endeavor, than me being a "fan" of the Movie Star Lindsay Lohan. I am not HERE to save Lindsay. I have written that many times. I am here because I became involved w/her, because she pursued me. She has not told me to go to hell or leave her alone, so I cant BAIL on someone I said I would communicate with. If you expect me TO HEAL ALL HER DECADE LONG PROBLEMS &ISSUES, you are way off track about what my friendship TO Lindz is about. When she tells me to fuck off, I'll go; until then, I'm hanging around, because I SAID I WOULD. And when I write something. …give my word, I HONOR it. Even if I don't FEEL LIKE it.

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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – Yes, the people at BFC & Cliffside are STRANGERS to Lindsay but they are ALSO: 1) Educated 2) Licensed 3) Trained and they are: 4)PROFESSIONALS in the REHAB gig. They are not people on blogs who can't remember what they write from one post to another post 10 MINTUES LATER. They are not strangers in Lindsay's life that write accusations against people based on things that live in their own heads and WERE NEVER WRITTEN. My issue with you isn't that you are a stranger, it is that you are very STRANGE and you think YOUR WORD is good enough to somehow QUALIFY you as some sort of MAGIC BULLET that is going to "without a doubt" bring Lindsay into a sober life & a great Hollywood career. Taylor, your statements about how you can heal Lindsay & fix her in ways that will revive her career, are just DELUSIONAL. Even the best shrink in the world would NEVER make such a claim. Your talents may help others, but LINDSAY IS THE CAPTAIN OF HER OWN SHIP. She doesn't NEED someone to TELL HER WHAT TO DO, she needs to LEARN how to use her mind so her OWN MIND can tell her what is BEST for her to do, for what she WANTS to accomplish. Lindsay is a real adult PERSON, T. Not some doll YOU can PROGRAM.

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    I am not BITTER towards u. I am SAD for ur confusion. I am RESPONDING to u because I think u are SINCERE; and in ur SINCERITY u are FULL of things that do NOT make LOGICAL SENSE. U write u have never claimed u are a healer. Ok, maybe u didn't use that word, but what u WROTE is that u KNEW, "without a doubt" that if DINA accepted ur "challenge" that u could turn L around/restore her career. What WORD for this healing would you prefer I use in regards to these GRANDIOSE claims that L could turn her whole life around if she followed your advice? - YES, u r CONSISTANT in what u say ABOUT L:" Lindsay is An Actress." Well, u are not consistent in much else. U accuse me of things I NEVER WROTE; you throw in all KINDS OF WORDS I NEVER WROTE & then u attack me with post to me that are BASED ON THE FACT THAT U NEVER COMPREHENDED WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE… u respond to things that WERE NEVER THERE. I am not AGAINST u. My point is, if u can't REMEMEBER WHAT SOMEONE WRITES; IF U CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT U WRITE — u ARE NOT CLEAR HEADED! U R THE ONE THAT MADE CLAIMS THAT IF DINA WOULD ACCEPT UR CHALLENGE THAT U COULD TURN L AROUND & REVAMP HER CAREER. What word should I use so that you will know that I am talking about THIS MIRACULOUS HELP U CLAIM U ARE CAPABLE OF BESTOWING ON L? READ WHAT U WRITE, T! READ WHAT U WRITE! U are the ONE CLAIMING- that YOU ARE THE CURE!!!!

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    Re: To A SOBER TAYLOR, – JJF all I am saying is nothing else has helped Lindsay . I have helped others so I challenged Dina because YES I Know I can help LL . It is a process first to obtain someone's trust but then the process moves pretty rapid . I just put it out there with no real expectations of anything . It's not me being arrogant it's just me Knowing what I can do . I just offer help where help is needed . I believe Lindsay is Not beyond help

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    I don't know that L is beyond help & I think it is VERY KIND OF YOU to want to help L, but u don't seem to have any real plan of how to make that happen. & I cannot KNOW if u would be helpful to her or not; but u fail to take into consideration L's PART in your plan. Helping someone TAKES MORE than WHAT U CAN DO, it includes what the OTHER PERSON brings to the table. U have NO WAY of knowing if L would like u, if she would listen to u. U can be GREAT at something in life, but if the other person DOES NOT COOPERATE, then ur gifts aren't UTILIZED by the person u are trying to help. U say u want to help her, but what is it that u want to do? Have Dina drop L off at your house? Are you hoping to have phone sessions w/L, wkly meetings, private emails? I do NOT mean to be mean to you T, but you don't COMMUNICATE like a grown-up. U have all these wishes BUT NO REAL PLAN. & u think that because u have helped others, that is some guarantee that u can "without a doubt" turn L life around. She has more problems/lawsuits at this time, than most people have to deal with in their whole life. You have nice IDEAS T, but u don't seem to go much further in ur IDEAS than thinking the main idea, and then what? If u want to help L, HOW do you plan on going about it? You don't have to answer ME. U are not taking Ls FREE WILL into this equation where you state u can turn L around, save her career - "without a doubt".

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    Re: To Taylor, – I guess that is something I will have to figure out .
    Reaching Lindsay is not as easy as it may seem .

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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – The HELL it isn't. Lindsay is about the EASIEST person in my life to reach. You can write her attorney. Taylor, my point isn't that you CAN'T HELP HER. I don't know what L NEEDS or what you are capable of. MY POINT is that you don't think things through. In this case, you offered, IN MEDIA, you made AN OFFER, A CHALLENGE TO DINA to let you take over Lindsay life & career. With a guarantee "without a doubt" that you can make Lindsay a healthy, happy STAR. And now, you don't even have any PLANS. Lindsay IS A WILDCAT. You can't just wing it w/her. You said she get's bored & seeks out; well, best not to INVITE her into your life until you have some IDEA of what to do w/her, cause her ass aint gonna sit on your couch WAITING FOR YOU TO COME UP WITH PLAN. T, I am not bitter at you, I am sad for you that you don't seem to see anything WRONG with the way you tend to make plans for Living on Mars, pack yourself up, cut off your household utilities …when we aint even got the ship built and … not EVERYBODY gets to go.

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    Re: To Taylor, – Ok JJF Shawn it is

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    Re: TAYLORTFAIR – You can also write Oprah now. Taylor, anyone in media has an email address and people who read & process the mail. YOU WILL BE READ. If you are sincere in your correspondence; you are likely to get a response. Go for it. I do NOT know that you might be JUST what Lindsay needs. Give it a whirl, girl!