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With some people — especially the stubborn ones — you just have to "agree to disagree."
That's what George Takei said he had to do with Donald Trump when the two sat down to discuss marriage equality.
On Monday, the Star Trek actor talked to Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC's The Last Word about a conversation he had with the presidential hopeful back in 2012, around the time he was on season five of Celebrity Apprentice.
The LGBT rights activist and the businessman grabbed a bite at Trump Tower Grill in New York City to chat about same-sex marriage.
This lunch was arranged after the 78-year-old challenged Mr. Trump to discuss marriage equality with him during a press conference for the NBC reality competition.
"He was for traditional marriage, despite the fact that he'd been married three times. That is not traditional. I approve of his three-time marriage because you want to find the person that you love. But the important thing here is to understand that our democracy is a dynamic democracy, and our Constitution is a living document — it's not carved in stone. Over the years, the whole arc of our democracy has been to adjust to the times, to expand equality to more and more people."
He explained that this sort of makes the mogul a huge hypocrite:
"I think Donald Trump's interpretation of marriage is something that he himself doesn't really believe in, because traditional marriage is where two people love each other, commit to each other, care for each other over the years. It is a meaningful ceremony. His interpretation of that is not recognizing what real marriage is."
And to make matters more confusing, the actor recalled that Mr. Trump told him about a time where he went to a same-sex wedding and actually really enjoyed himself:
"He said, ‘You know what, George, I just came from a gay marriage.' And he told me, ‘They are good friends of mine, it was a beautiful marriage. They're wonderful friends.'"
Sooooooo then wouldn't this mean that the 69-year-old should be all for marriage equality, since he blatantly supported his good friends' union? George says the answer is still no:
"I said, ‘Then why can't you support marriage equality? You go to weddings of same-sex couples.' And he said, ‘Well, I'm for traditional marriage.'"
But, the icon remains hopeful that Donald could change his mind one day:
"I think he's a businessman. I think he's capable of saying anything that will be good for business or in whatever situation he should find himself in."
It'll be interesting to see if the presidential candidate ends up having a change of heart — but he did tell CNN's Jake Tapper over the weekend that he's still for "traditional marriage," so we're not sure he'll starting singing a different tune anytime soon.
And ch-ch-check out George's full MSNBC interview (below)!
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