Elisabeth Hasselbeck Needs To Go Back To High School!
Filed under: Elizabitch HasselbeckSheri must be real happy Elizabitch is back on The View.
On Monday's episode, Hasselbeck had a hard time remembering who was granted the right to vote first - women or people of color.
Thankfully, Whoopi put her in her place.
Click here to check it out!
P.S. Rosie must be laughing her ass off…in a very ANNOYING way.
Update: Whoopi was wrong?
Maybe we all could use a little history lesson!
Posted: January 21, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Re: Daniel – The fact remains, the 15th was created prior to the 19th….not every state enforced it, you are right…regardless, the right had been granted….not honored and enforced everywhere, but it was there. You can twist and turn the facts, but they remain the same. History speaks for itself… Whoopi said, "Women got the vote before we did." Elizabeth had said, "Didn't a black man, wasn't he able to walk into a voting booth, far before a woman could walk into a voting booth?" THIS IS THE TRUTH!! Whoopi wanted to be a pompas ass and try to throw the race card against the sexist card. That is so low and such a racist thing to do…..for a WOMAN of Color ……yes, things were much harder…but, she got her rights right along with the white woman. DEAL WITH IT!!
Well, it gets tricky when you consider "poll tests" and "poll taxes" that effectively stripped black people of the right to vote even though they technically had it.
Actually, Eliz was right… Whoopi's the moron here. Women couldn't vote until 1920… African Americans were given the right 50 years earlier!
that wasn't that big a deal. i expected something juicy but was disappointed with the clip.
15th Amendment (1870): no law may restrict any race from voting
19th Amendment (1920): no law may restrict any sex from voting
Re: Rosita –
I'm sure they meant got the vote counted and was seriously considered. I always wondered if they just threw out the ballots…and by black men voting…that doesn't cover the whole race…so does that still count??
African Americans got the vote with the 15th amendment. Women got the vote with the 19th amendment.
like you know who the first african american to vote was.
Re: Mia – um actually Elizabeth was right, sorry to break it to you.
Hate to say it, but ElisaBITCH is right, for once, and Whoppi is wrong. Black men were given the right to vote in the 15th amendment, and women weren't given that right until the 19th amendment. Whether or not it was "taken away" (which, technically, Jim Crow laws just made it impossible for blacks to vote, not "take away" their votes) doesn't change the fact that the black vote came before the women's vote. CHECK YOUR FACTS PEREZ. Dont just post things on a whim out of hate for ElisaBITCH (I hate her too, but hey)
OH AND BTW!!! Whoppi corrected herself when they brought Colin Powell out later, and she admitted that she was wrong about what she said. So there.
Actually, this may be too high brow to discuss here with 100 "first" comments, but the answer to Elizabeth's question is that blacks have substantially more constitutional protection in the Supreme Court than women.
Dude, whoopie is totally wrong. 13th amendment - black vote. 19th amendment - women vote. What the hell.
"Elizabitch" was correct. The 15th Amendment gave black men the right to vote, the 19th Amendment extended that right to women. Even though there were certain restrictions put in place to inhibit black voting, they most certainly had the right first. Check your facts next time.
Not to defend Hasselbeck, but…
"…in 1869, the 15th Amendment guaranteed the right to vote to black men, with most women of all races still unable to vote.
1869 also marked the beginning of "Black Codes," or state laws that restricted the freedoms of African Americans. Among the freedoms restricted was the freedom to exercise the right to vote. Literacy tests, poll taxes, hiding the locations of the polls, economic pressures, threats of physical violence, and other strategies to suppress the African American vote were either found in the Black Codes or flowed from them…"
Women were then granted the right in the Nineteenth Amendment in 1920.
Sadly, too many people will believe what they see on TV…
Re: Whatever –
Actually your little theory just backfired didnt it. The white woman knew more about the black culture than the black woman did.
Black men were allowed to vote before women. However, most states declared you most own land to vote. Since it was impossible for blacks to own land, they therefore could not vote as well as other stituates placed before them such as poll taxes. Of course this was all done to prevent blacks from voting even though constitutionaly they were allowed to do so. Women's sufferage was after the fact.
Actually, Elizabeth had it right. Racial Suffrage was the 15th amendment and was put in action in 1870, then it was Women's Suffrage which is the 18th amendment and was put in action in 1920.
Perez - you are the idiot that needs to go back to HS. Stop trying to stir things up by pushing your liberal, SP nonsense views on everyone else. You simply do not like Elisabeth because she states a conservative point of view. Sounds very "intolerant" from someone who demands tolerance (I'll spell that out for you gays and liberals demand tolerance from everyone but themselves).
blacks did get the vote before women did…
Re: Whatever –
well, apparently she was right.
stop being a racist idiot.
Whoopi needs to go back to high school!! Black men, then women peeps.
Elizabeth is right on this one…blacks won the right to vote with the 15th Amendment in 1870; women won theirs with the 19th Amendment, in 1920, a half-century later. Whoopi is the one that needs to go back to school!
Whoopie, and for that matter, Perez, owe Elizabeth an apology. The rest of you lemmings need to go back to school.
You should apologize to Elisabeth and change your title to "Perez needs to go back to high school." Get a fucking clue. You're sooo eager to hate conservatives that you're blinded by it. Do all liberal brains disengage when a conservative speaks? Asshole.
hey dumbasses, elisabeth is right. whoopi, go back to school.
Moron,
Of course Elizabeth was right, number one, she's the hottest, and number two, black MEN got the right to vote before woman. So hopefully Whoppi straightens it out tomorrow and tells Elizabeth she's HOT and right!!!f
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Right or wrong; I cannot stand that Elizabeth woman. She makes my skin crawl with the sight of her.
Secondly, is this show still on the air? How is this even possible?
IT SHOWS THAT WHITE FUCK MUST SHUT THE FUCK UP WHEN TALKING ABOUT BLACK PPL…THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK ANYWAYZ…JUST PRETENDING THEY CARE…THEY DONT CARE AND THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK……FUCK MAN
Black males had the right to vote first.
food for thought– Isn't it more acceptable to say I'm not voting for Clinton because the world isn't ready to see a women as the leader of the most powerful country in the world. And isn't it more acceptable to say a women wouldn't make the best "commander in chief" then saying a black man is???
I don't know. Just throwing it out there. I have heard that said. Never about a black man though.
perez, you're an idiot, and so is everybody on here. fourteenth amendment came before nineteenth amendment (SURPRISE). fucking idiots.
believe everything you hear.
Sigh… Perez… I LOVE you but I must agree that Elizabeth was correct. The 15th amendment gave men of color the right to vote well before the 19th gave it to women. However, people of color (blacks specifically) were stopped from voting in many places, especially in southern cities such as Birmingham because of poll taxes, unrealistic literacy tests, and violent intimidation tactics used by such groups as the KKK. Therefore, in reality, a woman's vote was more possible until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that prohibited poll taxes and literacy tests. People need to check the facts before getting their panties in a bunch about historical facts that they don't completely understand
Sigh… Perez… I LOVE you but I must agree that Elizabeth was correct. The 15th amendment gave men of color the right to vote well before the 19th gave it to women. However, people of color (blacks specifically) were stopped from voting in many places, especially in southern cities such as Birmingham because of poll taxes, unrealistic literacy tests, and violent intimidation tactics used by such groups as the KKK. Therefore, in reality, a woman's vote was more possible until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that prohibited poll taxes and literacy tests. People need to check the facts before getting their panties in a bunch about historical facts that they don't completely understand
Um, Elizabeth was right, black men voted way before white woman could. yall are STUPID, Perez you are dumb and Whoopi you are an idiot
Looks like Perez and everyone on The View need to go back to high school. Elizabeth is by far the most intelligent person on that show. Rosie's probably laughing her ass off at Perez! Well, maybe not. She probably doesn't know either.
:) HA HA HA ALL THE IDIOTS THAT CALLED NAMES AND SAID THAT ELISABETH WAS A MORON! LMFAO
Nice to see you submit to the truth, Pigez!! I almost couldn't believe my eyes! Good for you…..that was a big step!! Keep it up…..let all the truth be told. Your history of lies is sooo unbecoming!!
the tyranny of idiocy. what good does it to grant a vote and then not allow one to vote? i ask you. whoopi is right on in that sense. tell that vanilla cookie elizabeth to get a clue of how the real world works, not just how the establishment teaches it works in textbooks……
Sorry to say that Elizabeth is right! Men of color got the right to vote before women. You all is stupid!
As others have said, Whoopi was wrong. Technically, black men were able to vote long before women of either race. But yeah, there were a lot of Jim Crow laws, literacy tests, poll taxes, etc. that made it difficult and even impossible for blacks to vote in many states, especially in the south. Women didn't face as many roadblocks once given the right to vote in the 1920's (I think?).
Re: Whatever –
ha ha dumb bitch….you are a racist pig…and don't believe everything you read…men were the ones with all the rights…dumb fuck
LOL @ all the stupid twats who were lauging at Elisabeth thinking she was wrong. Scroll to the top to see all the morons of our country. You people are a disgrace, you dumb bastards LOL. Fat, uneducated women who have nothing else to do except eat doritos all day while surfing Perez, another fat ass. Go pick up a book and hit a treadmill sometime you slobs.
funny that I watched this clip when I was taking a break from studying constitutional law for my state bar examination. All of a sudden…I got really worried that I was totally screwed when so many of you made fun of Elisabeth for being incorrect..when I also was under the impression that black men got the vote first. Thank goodness you're the moron, Perez (no offense) and I hope The View says something about this tomorrow..Whoopi was so condescending.
Re: Jane – Your are so appallingly wrong its amazing. Shut down the computer and go to a library (its a building with lots of books) and read.
Re: Beth –
Not to mention that it took years for "men" to get used to women voting, which ALSO resulted in road blocks for womens voting. These people in here, and Perez, are jokes. How embarrassing for Perez and these people agreeing.
Scary that all of you who commented before think that women earned the right to vote before African American men. Read a fucking book!
Elizabeth was right. Black men were granted the right to vote in the 15th amendment and women were given that right in the 19th amendment. Of course, the black codes and many other obstacles were put in place to prevent blacks from voting, but they technically had the right first.
Black men were granted the right to vote 50 years before women were granted the right to vote.
As much as I hate Elizabeth too, SHE WAS RIGHT. Black men were given the vote right after the Civil War, and that was everywhere. The South limited blacks voting because they were afraid of them, so they passed things like Jim Crowe laws and grandfather clauses and etc in order to limit how many of them actually voted. BUT BLACKS HAD THE VOTE BEFORE WHITES, SO STOP B*TCHING!
As much as I hate Elizabeth too, SHE WAS RIGHT. Black men were given the vote right after the Civil War, and that was everywhere. The South limited blacks voting because they were afraid of them, so they passed things like Jim Crowe laws and grandfather clauses and etc in order to limit how many of them actually voted. BUT BLACKS HAD THE VOTE BEFORE WOMEN, SO STOP B*TCHING!
Whoopi, I didn't realize you were so stupid. Basic History. maybe grade 7. And Perez making sure he gets hi 2 cents in.
USA USA USA!!!!!!!
Although the Fifteenth Amendment established particular voting rights, and gave Congress the authority to enforce those rights and regulate the voting process, the vote was still allowed to be withheld from most southern blacks and from non-white minorities throughout the U.S., from the post-Reconstruction era through the 1960s.
In 1909, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People was created with the mission to promote blacks' civil rights, including to "secure for them impartial suffrage." The NAACP's success was limited: despite some important judicial and legislative successes, many southern blacks remained disenfranchised through the early 1960s. Following the 1964 election, a variety of civil rights organizations banded together to push for the passage of legislation that would ensure black voting rights once and for all.
black men were able to vote in particular states since the late 1770s. women weren't able to vote until 1893, so Elizabeth was correct. Whoopi must have been confused by the passing of the Voting Rights Act in 1965 which reinforced a citizens right to vote regardless of their race.
women were able to vote in 1940, black people were able to vote in 1965
Re: KM –
Who's the moron????
In 1869 people of color were granted the right to vote, 51 years before women!
Re: nays –
Yeah, and you sound like a real educated person yourself. I love Elizabeth!! She is the most educated one on there, with POSSIBLY the exception of Barbara.
THE REALITY IS THAT YOU MORONS ARE JUST AS STUPID AS THE WOMEN YOU'RE BITCHING ABOUT. WHEN ELECTION DAY COMES IT WON'T BE A WOMAN WHO WINS. WHY? BECAUSE MEN WILL NEVER VOTE TO HAVE A WOMAN IN CHARGE AND WOMEN ARE SUCH CUNTY BITCHES THAT THEY WOULD RATHER LIVE OPPRESSED LIVES THAN SEE ANOTHER WOMAN DOING BETTER THAN THEM. AND IT SURE AS HELL WON'T BE A BLACK PRESIDENT BECAUSE AMERICA IS STILL RACIST AND WILL ALWAYS BE RACIST. OBAMA WOULD DEFINITELY BE ASSASSINATED.
Why do we always look at the South for whether or not blacks could vote? Blacks were given the vote after the Civil War, and while the south tried to limit them voting, I don't think the north did. Besides, in terms of legislation, Blacks were given the vote before Women. I think that's the basic issue at the heart of this discussion, showing the Whoppi was wrong and Elizabeth was surprisingly right. (Or are blacks not allowed to be wrong? Maybe we should rewrite history so that Whoppi is right).
WRONG Perez, WRONG Whoopie:
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
— Fifteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (1870)
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.
— Nineteenth Amendment (1920)
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any
primary or other election . . . shall not be denied or abridged . . . by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
— Twenty-fourth Amendment (1964)
The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age.
— Twenty-sixth Amendment (1971)
Black men were "symbolically" given the right to vote with the 15th amendment, but in truth were not able to truly do so out of fear for their lives and those of their families. Also in an effort to prevent them from voting, a poll tax was imposed, knowing fully that most blacks could not afford to pay it. This was lifted in 1964 with the 24th amendment.
Women on the other hand gained the right to vote in 1920 with the 19th amendment. Somewhere I had read that women would have gained the right sooner, had not so many turned up to vote.
It would be interesting to know how many blacks actually took the risk of harm in order to vote before the 1960's.
Black men were granted the right to vote in 1865 (13th Amendment), but most were still not permitted to vote because of states using Jim Crow laws to prevent them from exercising their rights. Women of all race won the right to vote in 1920 (15th Amendment).
In 1954, the Brown vs. Board of Education decision forced the illegality of segregation, and later, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 finally provided the ENFORCEMENT of the rights for all people to vote, and thus began the practice of observers to monitor elections.
Maybe a little less Britney and a little more History, Perez!
Re: aldfjalkd – wrong!!!!
black men had the right to vote over FIFTY YEARS earlier than women. whoopi is the moron that spoke on a topic as if she was educated on it and obviously she was totally unqualified to speak about it.
black men had the right to vote over FIFTY YEARS earlier than women. whoopi is the moron that spoke on a topic as if she was educated on it and obviously she was totally unqualified to speak about it.
Perez, you jumped the gun on this story. You're wrong….but it looks like the educated folks here already gave you your history lesson for the day. Black men got the vote first. Women…of all color…much later. Elisabeth was correct, but surprisingly rolled over like a little puppy as soon as Whoopi "corrected" her.
Re: Sites like this are Dumbing You Down! –
Correction…19th Amendment, not 15th..typo!
Re: frank – How sad that Frank was the only one who knew the facts about voting rights in America! No wonder this country elected Bush -twice!!
whoopi was the one who was wrong!!!! Black men could vote right after the civil war…though they had to take a nearly impossible test before being allowed to vote. Women were not allowed to vote until 1920. Black men could legally vote befrore women.
OMG, funniest post ever. When are you going to post the CORRECTION??!! How about change your headline to 'Whoopi AND Perez need to go back to high school'? Whether you like the person or not you were wrong. And how quick you were to jump on it without even checking your facts. Pretty bad example when the black woman and gay latino man get the answer wrong and then don't even admit their mistakes. Oops.
Check out "sundown" towns throughout the US into the 60s. This sign, Ni**er, Don't Let The Sun Set On YOU In ______", was posted at the border of literally thousands of US towns in both the north and the south well into the th 1960s.
Blacks were denied many of their rights, and they were often prevented from voting by Jim Crow laws, fear, intimidation, etc, and that didn't end until the Civil Rights Act.
black men who owned property could vote before women.
how fucking dumb is everyone?!
During the Civil War, suffragists shelved their cause temporarily, hoping that at war's end, women as well as emancipated slaves would be enfranchised. After the war Republican party politicians believed enfranchisement of the ex-slaves would be defeated if harnessed to the even more unpopular cause of woman's suffrage. They succeeded in passing the 14th and 15th amendments to the U.S. Constitution, which gave the vote to black men but not to women.
TECHNICALLY they are both right. African Americans were first allowed to vote in 1865. However until the Civil Rights movement, states passed laws that blocked many African Americans from being able to vote — so as African Americans were technically allowed to vote — it wasn't until the Civil Rights Movement when they actually took to the polls and all of the restrictions were removed. Women were able to vote in 1920.
…No…
Blacks were allowed to vote after the Civil War, though there were several racist groups and laws in the South the tried to stop them from doing so. Women had to wait until 1919.
no, Whoopi is right. Females could vote in 1920, Blacks were able to vote from 1965
Perez needs to go back to highschool. But blacks were disenfranchised, thus women really did have an advantage.
Whoopi and the other tards at the View better issue a correction AND an apology tomorrow!
George Bush hates black people
So quick to criticize so slow to apologize.
Maybe you should change the headline to "I"M A TOTAL DUMBASS, DESPITE WHAT I MAY THINK" or
"ELIZABETH NOT AS DUMB AS I THOUGHT SHE WAS"
or
"MAN LIKE LESBIAN WRONG ABOUT WHO HAD THE RIGHT TO VOTE FIRST"
I'll be here…holding my breath.
Black men could vote in 1870, women 1920. Elisabitch IS RIGHT.
While Hasselbeck is an annoying cunt, you idiots that don't know that black men were able to vote before women are pathetic. Get off the inter-netz and read a history book, you fucktards. Stop obsessing with pop culture and tabloid journalism and, instead, get an education.
Oh, and Hasselbeck still sux ass.
Re: Daniel –
You're forgetting their actual conversation, though. Even if it were taken away, they were still granted votes before women, thus making them ABLE to vote before woman.
I can't stand Hasselbeck but seriously, has no one read the Constitution?! The 15th Amendment was passed a full 50 years before the 19th Amendment. This isn't to say that different states didn't do what they could to try and block black men from voting but it was not sanctioned by the Constitution.
the 15th amendment gives people of color the right to vote
the 19th amendment gives women the right to vote
last time i checked 15 came before 19
Perez admitted he was wrong.
Notice how whoopi has that automatic chip on her shoulder that all blacks do? Automatically going after elisabeth in full on attack mode yet dumber than a bunch of rocks. and says "us" meaning black, when she received less rights as a "woman". Wish Elizabitch would've went after her but she's a dumbass as well!
i say we take away the right to vote 4 black people again!!! haha
Whoopi is right. Women got the right to vote back in the 1800's. Only a HANDFUL of African American men could vote in the 1800's. It wasnt until the 1900's that ALL African Americans got to vote..so maybe YALL need to go back to HIGH SCHOOL!!! Im Canadian and I even know that!!
WOO CANADA! lol!
Re: frank – Thats what I thought. I was making this same point to someone the other day.
I just noticed blacks ARE good for one thing….a day off!!! Happy Martin Luther King Day.
Perez- check out your info before just posting anything! you are really getting annoying with that!
um whoopi was def. wrong-women werent able to vote until 1920, wayyyy after black people in general. derrr
I'm shocked that this isn't common knowledge. It's said that so few people are familiar with our Constitution. The 15th Amendment gave black men the right to vote. That was passed immediately following the Civil War, along with abolishment of slavery. Suffrage for women did not come until 1920 (the 19th Amendment). And this was after a nearly 75 year fight that began with Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton at the Seneca Falls Women's Rights Convention. Congress finally conceded after some extremely embarrassing incidents occurred in which women suffragists were jailed under horrible conditions and went on hunger strikes. It's a point in history that is very frequently overlooked. I didn't realize the full extent to which women had to fight for this basic right until I got to college. Many people will never know.
Contrary to what I read a couple people say, the right to vote for blacks was never actually taken away, but many Southern states made it very difficult for them to vote by passing poll taxes, voting tests, etc. This was done away with in 1965 with the Voting Rights Act.
I am completely appalled at Americans' lack of knowledge on basic and extremely important historical events — especially when I hear this ignorance coming from someone educated like Whoopi Goldberg. She should know better.
While the 15th amendment gave black men the right to vote, it wasn't until the National Voting Rights Act of 1965 that the promise of the amendment was actually guaranteed in all states. So black men were (technically) given the right to vote before women (their right to vote was established with the 19th amendment in 1920), but in actuality could not until much later.
Re: costamesaboy –
So someone got something wrong.
WTF is with been bloody racist?? Why the fuck do you judge someone on skin colour, do you come from the 19th century?
The Civil Rights Act of 1875: The law was generally ineffective and not enforced. The withdrawal of Federal troops from the South caused it to only be enforced rarely by some federal officers and some private citizens.
The Act was challenged and brought to the Supreme Court in 1883. The Act was found unconstitutional on the basis that the Act regulated actions of private companies rather than actions of the state governments.
Many of the provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1875 were passed into law in the 1960s with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Fair Housing Act using the federal power to regulate interstate commerce.
Women could freely vote after 1920, whil blacks could not "Freely" vote until 1965.
It is so hard to watch them talk
Funny how quickly we jump on the ones we don't like without verifying the facts! Go Elizabeth!
Elisabeth was right!
WOW!! Whoops" really never pegged you for ignorant, especially when it comes to your own History… That's really sad the HassleBitch was right. But even she wasn't convinced. Sad day. They are all about the same age as I am, so no excuse there..