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We Hate To Say This, But…

Filed under: Australiastic > Heath Ledger > Star Jones

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Star Jones wrote an editorial about the death of Heath Ledger….

And we agree with everything she says!

Click here to read it.

[Photo via Getty Images.]

575 comments to “We Hate To Say This, But…”

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  1. Becca says – reply to this


    101

    I completely agree with Star. Leave them alone - and just report the facts, when you know them to be facts!

  2. Crystal says – reply to this


    102

    I'm not a big Star Jones fan but she is absolutely right

  3. Tira says – reply to this


    103

    Very nicely done. Too bad the paps and people like John Gibson & Fred Phelps are sub-human.

  4. peter says – reply to this


    104

    star jones is a cunt licker star fucker

  5. chritti says – reply to this


    105

    hey perez i just have to say i really respect you for not posting up pics of heaths dead body or the name of his funeral home, pics of his family, etc… i really hope other celeb blog sites didnt do this but i wouldnt be surprised if some did. you are a great man perez and i am still so shocked about heaths death i really hope that things are alright for his fam and friends. RIP heath.

  6. Ruby says – reply to this


    106

    I agree, she said it all

  7. YumYum says – reply to this


    107

    She has a right to comment. And she is right. But what she says is a statement supporting common decency. Unfortunately, you cannot dictate common decency to others. The internet has given rise to "instant news" and infllamatory news. And there is a press out there dedicated to feeding it. When a dollar value is placed on feeding off of others- particularly in private situations like grief, there will always be someone willing to make a living being the shark.

  8. ME_ME_ME says – reply to this


    108

    Re: costamesaboy – LOOSER COSME..AWHAT? COSMESTUPID!

  9. New Yorker says – reply to this


    109

    Perez,
    Usually I enjoy reading your site, but this post of yours really angered me. Do you have ANY idea how infuriatingly hypocritical your statement about "agreeing about everything [Star Jones] says" in her article is? In practice, you do not agree with everything she says. If you had read her comments, you would see that she pleads with the media to stop speculating about his death and to respect his family. Your hypocrisy consists of, on the one hand, posting speculation about his drug use and his relationship with MK, and then, on the other hand, acting pious in your refusal to post where the funeral is happening and talking about how much you agree with Star Jones. Please pick the position of leaving him and his family alone, and leave him alone.

  10. gftb says – reply to this


    110

    Totally agree. For once the woman talks complete sense. Please Perez keep the dignity and don't print the gossip.

  11. manny says – reply to this


    111

    i agree with what she has to say as well. i ususally agree with star jones and i mildly like her.

  12. crap-tas-tic says – reply to this


    112

    She hit the nail on the head. She looks fantastic in that picture too.

  13. You Hypocrite says – reply to this


    113

    You are no better than any of them.

  14. KSMom says – reply to this


    114

    Wow. Now I have to totally rethink what I've ever thought about Star Jones. This was excellently expressed - and I couldn't agree more. Well done, Ms. Jones.

    Our hearts go out to the family of Heath Ledger.

  15. buttercup says – reply to this


    115

    hypocrite!! yours was the first website to spread the gossip that there was…you know what? i dont even care enough about you to finish. you're not worth the rant i was working up to. you're no better than they are, you self righteous steaming pile of crap. have a good day!

  16. Mike says – reply to this


    116

    It's hard to say someone's death affected you deeply when you don't even know them personally, but his death has scared me. This could happen to me, my boyfriend, or a friend. Nobody deserves to die, even if he is an addict. However, he could have been on tons of prescription drugs and still not be an addict. You can be dependent on drugs without being an addict. Accidental overdose is not uncommon. This happens everyday. I think it's morbid to focus so much on his life just because he's a star. I think his death is tragic, but over publicized. I wasn't a big fan of him, but I respected his work and the way he acted down to earth. I think his death is a huge tragedy and it truly makes me sad, but it shouldn't be the highlight of every reporters news report. He died and I'm sure his family would rather it not be talked about. Memorial services and things like that are another issue. We should show respect and love and sadness, nothing more. The statements of that FOX reporter make me sick to my stomach.

  17. nikole says – reply to this


    117

    i agree with everything star said, makes me wanna cry :(

  18. Jen says – reply to this


    118

    Well Said.

  19. no_cute_nickname says – reply to this


    119

    If you agree with everything she said, then why is your site filled with shit and gossip about Heath's death?

  20. PerezWASmyGUILTYpleasure says – reply to this


    120

    Yes, but can you practice what she preaches? CAN you take the high road on this one, Mario? You would win my respect if you could.

  21. vegasborn says – reply to this


    121

    I don't like that gorilla but I DO like what she wrote!!!

  22. Ike says – reply to this


    122

    I don't think this was very well written at all. She starts to make the point that there are a lot of inconclusive facts, and says "let's start with something we do know:" then goes on to say "his death was a tragic accident, or something to the contrary. Until we know…" That doesn't make any sense. FURTHER, you can't start a sentence with "and" or "but." So much for her fancy lawyer education.

  23. Zoe says – reply to this


    123

    If you agree with her, then why have you been speculating since the moment it happened? It is good of you not to post the pictures though.

  24. MARQ says – reply to this


    124

    SHE IS SOOOO RIGHT. GIVE HEATH'S FAMILY THEIR SPACE AT THIS SAD TIME.. DON'T SPREAD RUMORS!!!! AS FOR THE MEDIA, KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT UNTIL THE FACTS COME IN.

  25. sam says – reply to this


    125

    She is absolutely right. Paparazzi are swine!

  26. lilly says – reply to this


    126

    If you agree with everything she is saying, then why are you posting pictures of Michelle Williams and fueling the rumors of speculation? Oh yeah…I forgot…you're a huge hypocrite…that's why!

  27. Kudos says – reply to this


    127

    I generally don't care for Star Jones either, but she said it well. Did you notice, however, that it was filed under, among other things, "Heath Ledger Suicide Breaking Entertainment News"? Doesn't that sort of contradict her whole argument?

  28. Tira says – reply to this


    128

    Re: Dee

    What a bunch of crap.

  29. atoz143 says – reply to this


    129

    VERY WELL SAID!!!

  30. Mike says – reply to this


    130

    Weird this is - she is making money off taking about the actor as well. What a booboo

  31. jk says – reply to this


    131

    She couldn't be more right and I think that everyone should take what she says to heart. Let the family grieve out of the public eye and let Heath rest in peace

  32. g says – reply to this


    132

    _____________________________________

    www.RememberHeathLedger.com

    _________________________x

  33. Floris says – reply to this


    133

    She is right you know.Heath's death is something we should respect, and not simething we should gossip about.. It must be devistating to his family..

  34. Jenna (used to) Love Perez! says – reply to this


    134

    PEREZ U ARE A HYPOCRYTE! U are the stupid fuck who makes profit from stories like this. u felt bad for lilly allen for about a week then started teasing her again. U never even felt bad for her poor daughter. Now you are profiting off this poor man's death. Perez u are a low life. EAT A ROYAL BAG OF FUCK!

  35. Floris says – reply to this


    135

    She is right you know.Heath's death is something we should respect, and not simething we should gossip about.. It must be devistating for his family..

  36. GAY WARRIOR says – reply to this


    136

    Sorry…but in my opinion, if she'd really meant what she wrote, Jones wouldn't have written it at all…and I still think she looks like she's melting.

  37. julie says – reply to this


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    well said! let them go through this without all the flashbulbs n sht……i couldn't even imagine going through something like this with everyone watching…n to all of you who are making negative comments/talkin sht/ n so into trying to be 1st…get a fckn life….please!

  38. Mary Mary says – reply to this


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    You agree with everything she says? Then stop making so many fucking posts about it, you god damn hypocrite. All you're doing is feeding everyone's NEED to know every last detail about things that are none of their concern. This is someone's death we're talking about; this goes way beyond someone looking bad for an awards show, or someone going into rehab for the 50000th time. Give it a fucking rest Perez, and have some decency.
    Enough with the Heath Ledger posts.
    Enough.

  39. Sue says – reply to this


    139

    If you watch her show at all, she constantly mispronounced his name. Talk about disrespectful.

  40. HYPOCRITE YET AGAIN says – reply to this


    140

    "Until we know for sure, I think the media should just shut their mouths and stop all the speculation that's been running rampant." UM PEREZ, YOU ARE PART OF THE MEDIA THAT HAS BEEN RUNNING YOUR MOUTH TOO!!!! You agree with everything she says but you are one of the ones who has come out with so many posts about this– first that it was drugs, then it wasn't, etc. etc. etc. SUCH HYPOCRISY!! why doesn't anybody else call you on this? not to mention the jokes you have made– like heather ledger and your easily offended post.

  41. k says – reply to this


    141

    lets not forget perez, you were the first to be spreading drug rumors about him. posting interviews saying he was CLEARLY UNDER THE INFLUENCE?
    youre exactly who shes talking about

  42. amy2694 says – reply to this


    142

    way to go to perez for posting this and to star for hitting the nail on the head.

  43. realist says – reply to this


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    Re: Dee – well said. The Heath Ledger story is just another Hollywood OD, that's all. Been going on for as long as they've been making movies. All the excuses on this board are amazing. Open your eyes, people. He was a druggie and it caugh up to him.

  44. No Thanks. says – reply to this


    144

    You better make a new category called
    "Z listers milking Heath Ledgers death"

  45. Fizzle says – reply to this


    145

    I couldn't agree more. But…why is it that we're so intent on following the moves of these Hollywood celebrities? Every success, every failure, every rise and every fall - through their infidelities, embarassing blunders, drug addiction and ultimately, sadly - their deaths. I too am to blame - because like every other member of the public, I choose to read blogs, papers and websites - I switch on the watch the news and avidly tune in when a tragedy is being reported in every minute detail. But this recent death has made me step back - and think. What is happening to us all? Is this really what popular Culture has now become?

  46. Hugs Not Drugs says – reply to this


    146

    You tell 'em, Starlet!!

  47. maria says – reply to this


    147

    i totally agree with star jones on this

  48. I Hate Fucktards says – reply to this


    148

    Wow. As much as I don't like that woman, she hit everything right on the head. KUDOS to this editorial!! I am still just sick over Heath's passing….

  49. Katherine says – reply to this


    149

    then maybe you should take a hint perez.
    I agree with her too. I would say that you should stop speculating about his death until concrete autopsy results have come out.
    i.e. stop talking about any drug habit speculations and whom he may or may not have been dating.

    Give it a rest and let his family grieve.

  50. Wow. says – reply to this


    150

    I never thought I'd say it, but I now have an immense respect for Star Jones.
    Well said, and many props to you.

  51. LookAtYou says – reply to this


    151

    Star needs to shut the f*ck up. She is just an opportunist trying to make it sound like she is above everyone else. She lied about having gastric bypass surgery and sold tickets to her wedding with a gay man like it was a superbowl event and stuffed her former fat dresses with gifts so how ethical was that? She is cheap and wants to get paid for everything she does. I'm just waiting for the day she starts stuffing her face again and blow up like a baloon then everybody can talk about her.

  52. kristen says – reply to this


    152

    that's the only good thing she's ever done.

  53. TAR JONES YUK! says – reply to this


    153

    ……….GOOD LORD, STAR JONES WOULD HAVE RUN OVER HER GRANDMOTHER, BACKED UP, AND RUN OVER HER AGAIN, IF THE OLD LADY HAD GOTTEN IN THE WAY OF HER AND A CAMERA. THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE IN THE WORLD, WORSE THAN FALUJAH, IS THE AREA BETWEEN STAR AND A CAMERA……JUST DON'T TRY TO GO THERE!
    ………..THIS IS LITTLE MORE THAN THIS PIG TRYING TO GRAB SOME ATTENTION FROM HEATH LEDGER'S DEATH ALSO.
    ……..STAR JONES TAKING THE HIGH GROUND!!!! PLEASE…… THIS BITCH OPINED THAT "GOD IS GOOD" BECAUSE SHE AND HER HUSBAND/BITCH LEFT THE AREA THE WEEK BEFORE THE TSUNAMI HIT INDONESIA …..AND SHE DIDN'T MENTION THE 200,000 WHO DIED!! ……YUUUUUUUK….. "GOD DIDN'T SPARE YOU STAR; HE JUST MISSED YOUR SAGGY ASS!" YUUUUUUUUUK & EWWWWWWWWWW!

  54. Bri says – reply to this


    154

    I agree with Star Jones. I think it's horrible how people do things like that to celebrities. I think if someone they loved passed away, they would want it to be private and not plaster pictures of their loved ones all over the internet of them being taken to the mortuary in a body bag. It's a horrible thing that happened to a wonderful man and people should show respect to the deceased.

  55. brokebackmtfan says – reply to this


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    In light of this very tragic situation, Star's editorial is 100% right on. The paparazzi should be respectful of the grieving family. Brit Brit seems to ASK for the attention; but her situation is completely different, as most obviously, she is STILL alive and she relishes in the attention; whereas the loss of Health Ledger is truly tragic. And not just to fans, but to his daughter Matilda, Matilda's mum, and all his friends and colleagues. Sad, sad, sad. I hope they spare his family during their visit to New York. Thank you Perez for doing the ethical and humane thing by not publishing the titillating shots of the aftermath of this tremendous loss….

  56. Juno says – reply to this


    156

    Wow, if you agree with everything she says, then leave this subject alone and take all of the related posts off your site.

  57. PEREZ = CRAZY HYPOCRITE says – reply to this


    157

    Re: New Yorker – AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
    REPOSTING THIS BECAUSE I AGREE 110%!!!!!!!!
    "Perez,
    Usually I enjoy reading your site, but this post of yours really angered me. Do you have ANY idea how infuriatingly hypocritical your statement about "agreeing about everything [Star Jones] says" in her article is? In practice, you do not agree with everything she says. If you had read her comments, you would see that she pleads with the media to stop speculating about his death and to respect his family. Your hypocrisy consists of, on the one hand, posting speculation about his drug use and his relationship with MK, and then, on the other hand, acting pious in your refusal to post where the funeral is happening and talking about how much you agree with Star Jones. Please pick the position of leaving him and his family alone, and leave him alone. "

  58. Heather says – reply to this


    158

    Wow someone in the media got it right. Thank you Star.

  59. Jacky says – reply to this


    159

    i couldnt have said it better mysdelf
    lets honor the mans memory
    and let his family mourn in peace.

  60. 100% Agree says – reply to this


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    Amen….Thanks for taking the time to write how you and others feel. There are so many perasites out there, waiting to feed on their next victim. May Matilda never know the horrible speculations that flew out of "peoples" mouths over her Daddy's death. We have crossed the line so many times. It is time to grow up.

  61. Corinns says – reply to this


    161

    This is well said and i think more media need to follow this.

    And everyone bagging perez…get off his site then if you dont like him….you guys are …….!!!

  62. someone says – reply to this


    162

    Right on, Star.

  63. IT WAS MEANT FOR YOU PERASS says – reply to this


    163

    You agree with everything she says ???? It was directed at you amongst others PERASS. Get a clue , apparently denial is not just a river in Egypt…

  64. Kelly says – reply to this


    164

    Perez i completely agree with you this family just needs time to understand this terrible reality.. he was a great actor and thats really all that needs to be said

  65. Chantal says – reply to this


    165

    I agree! WELL SAID AND WRITEN.

  66. Miss Maye says – reply to this


    166

    It's so nice to see someone in the media respecting his life, family and his career instead of making descousting allegations, others should take a note from Miss Star… Never thought I would say that!

  67. cindy says – reply to this


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    WHAT IS UP WITH THE WORLD!!
    IT WAS TOTALLY WRONG AND DISRESPECTFUL FOR THEM TO SHOW IMAGES OF THE BODY BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE APARTMENT!!!!..
    IT IS NOT AN SHOW IS THE LIFE OF A HUMAN BEING !!!

    THIS STUPID MEDIA NEEDS TO STOP!
    AND PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE A HEART!!!!!

  68. bored of this says – reply to this


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    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Idiot.
    She is adding to it.
    Speculation and talk of it should be done in private if you are really against all the media.
    But no, she fucking publishes something.
    That's really keeping your nose out.
    Like the world and/or media is going to suddenly change because she wrote that. Who does she think she is? When is Mayer blogging about it then??
    All she is achieving is trying to make herself look good.
    Oppertunist, and another hypocrite to add to the list.
    I'm not a hypocrite because I don't see the big deal about talking about his death etc. I don't say I disagree with it then join in like most of you are doing
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  69. QUENN OF THE SPAMMED says – reply to this


    169

    I AM PLEASED TO SAY - I CONCUR

  70. molly says – reply to this


    170

    beauty.

  71. LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER says – reply to this


    171

    why do u think you are above the media hype, perez? just because you choose not show the pictures does not mean you aren't speculating just as much as everyone else. For God's sake- look at your post about him and Mary Kate's "drug" relationship. yet you agree with star completely? you are fucking trash!

  72. FunMobility says – reply to this


    172

    What a skinny minnie. I didn't read it because I'm only proficient in one thing…photographs. Submit yours to www.funmobility.com/rufun.html for a chance to win $1,000.

  73. FALLING STAR says – reply to this


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    ………THE SENTIMENT IS FINE…… THE SOURCE IS A HYPOCRITE AND SHE JUST SUCKS!!!!!!

  74. jamie says – reply to this


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    that was seriously one of the most beautiful ways someone could have told the media and people to shut their freaking mouths and just leave them alone
    i do NOT think she is stupid, i think she has said everything that needs to be said about this whole thing until the actual reason for Heaths untimely death is released
    i agree with EVERYTHING this woman says

  75. Trish says – reply to this


    175

    She's right the media lust with this tradegy has been shameless. It reflects poorly on where we are as a society.

  76. Christiane says – reply to this


    176

    Too bad the New York newspapers didn't feel the need to write the same type of articles and even Regis and Kelly annoyed me with their comments if no one knows why someone died they should keep their mouths shut until they do, it's very disrespectful to the person that passed and their family..

  77. lizz says – reply to this


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    so right,
    ive just been on rememberheathledger.com
    and cried for the past 30 minutes, if this is what people who didnt know him are feeling then i hate to think about his poor family, friends matilda and michelle.
    my heart goes out to them.
    may everyone leave them alone so that they can mourn their loved ones death in peace.

  78. Christine says – reply to this


    178

    YOU ARE THE BIGGEST TWO FACED ASSHOLE GOING. yOU WERE THE ONE REPORTING STUFF YESTERDAY BEFORE HIS BODY WAS EVEN TAKEN FROM HIS APARTMENT. DRUGS, MARY KATE, YOU TRIED YOUR BEST TO BE SENSATIONAL. YOU'RE A FAT PIG LOSER. DID YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF EPIPHANY? IF YOU SO LOUDLY AGREE WITH WHAT POPMPOUS BLOWHOLE HOLE STAR JONES HAS TO SAY, THAN STOP REPORTING ON HEATH LEDGER!!!!!

  79. Jessica says – reply to this


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    AMEN! As much as this pains me, thank you Star Jones!

  80. peace says – reply to this


    180

    she nailed it.

  81. federerrocks says – reply to this


    181

    that isnt an editorial ,as it is written in first person it needs to be written in third to be an editorial, its an opinion or features article

  82. PerezTheHypocrite says – reply to this


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    Perez.. Now your concerned about this? YOU are the one to POST JOKES about Heath only HOURS after his death. Now you suddenly have respect? Where was that respect when you posted that horrible joke within hours of his death? How is that respectful in any way?!?!? Perez, you are such a hypocrite.

    HEATH R.I.P

  83. HYPOCRITE!! says – reply to this


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    If you really agree with Star Jones article, then ACT LIKE IT!!!!!! STOP SPECULATING and SPREADING RUMORS!!!!!! PLEASE PEREZ, stop posting crap and rumors about Heath Ledger!!! YOU ARE SUCH A HYPOCRITE!!

  84. Eileen says – reply to this


    184

    Wow. Bravo for her. That was a very good and very correct article. I'm not a fan of hers, however, I can definitely say this article was dead on. Good for her!

  85. Lisa says – reply to this


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    You agree Perez but you are just as guilty. You may not be posting where the funeral will be held, but you are fueling the speculation as to what happened, what drugs were found, etc. Practice what you preach (or agree w/)…

  86. Mary K says – reply to this


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    I agree with everything she said but I really think she only did this to get in on the action this story is getting.
    how many people have come out of the wood work to spout their stories of him dating this one or him doing these drugs? most of these people didn't even know him. They maybe met him once at a party and now because he is dead they were like "best friends" and it is all to get their 15 min of fame.
    I think these people a little sick and need to let this man rest in peace and let his family and real friends grieve in peace.

  87. sjn88 says – reply to this


    187

    Perez, I love your website and I appreciate how you cover Hollywood. But, doesn't it seem a bit hypocritical to be posting what People says and then have Star's editorial condeming all the media coverage surrounding his death with you ending that you agree with what she's saying?

  88. Missy says – reply to this


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    a-fuckin'-men!

  89. JohnMayerLover says – reply to this


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    She finally writes something worth while!!
    Her article is perfect.

  90. Nina says – reply to this


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    Star is so right. He was such an amazing man and the fact that his death has touched our nation and world so deeply just shows how great he really was. If strangers are this upset by his death, I can't even imagine what his loved ones must be going through. Leave them alone. I can speak from personal experience that grieving the death of a loved one is excruciatingly painful, and I don't even want to begin to imagine what it must be like to endure all of the speculation surrounding his death.

  91. ripzippy says – reply to this


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    It's all good and fine to say he agrees with what she said BUT DON'T ACT LIKE YOU ARE TAKING THE HIGH ROAD!!! On the very same page there are multiple stories of speculation by pereze on the subject. Just be the smut monger that you are and live with it!

  92. Finally...the voice of reason. says – reply to this


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    I have so much respect for Star Jones to have made it clear to all of you vultures to BACK the HELL OFF!!
    Too many idiots posting here have no idea what they are talking about and some people who say the worst things on here, or just being stupid, need to have their lips super-glued together permanently!

  93. Finally...the voice of reason. says – reply to this


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    I have so much respect for Star Jones to have made it clear to all of you vultures to BACK the HELL OFF!!
    Too many idiots posting here have no idea what they are talking about and some people who say the worst things on here, or just being stupid, need to have their lips super-glued together permanently!

  94. DeeDee1st says – reply to this


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    100% CORRECT. Doesn't matter that Starr Jones wrote this! Any human with half a heart knows death is hard. Seems like the media only focuses on the negative and never the good of Celebrities. Who in the hell would want to be a celeb anyway. Their lives are always under microscopes. But HEY I'm guilty as hell for being curious. I look at this site every "freaken" day! I guess being a normal everyday person makes me curious of how the rich live. Anyhoo, care on……

  95. PEREZ IS ABSURD says – reply to this


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    clearly star was referring to you, perez! just because you aren't posting pictures, you have said some of those worst shit like posting that youtube video that he was "clearly under the influence" and all the speculation of drugs and his relationship with MK. do u really think you are above it all? you are the worst!!!

  96. Ashley says – reply to this


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    She couldn't have said it any better!

  97. Bella107 says – reply to this


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    Perez, You're one of the bullshit people that has been speculating and insinuating that he did illegal drugs…What's wrong with you? Do you really think agreeing to this excuses your behavior? You should apologize to his family and fans through your site…Have some class for once.

  98. sillyme says – reply to this


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    I don't remember any calls for compassion when Anna Nicole Smith died, or when her son died. That received much more media attention than this.

  99. Wicked says – reply to this


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    perez, u are doing exactly what star jones is bitching about (scrawny ass hooch). Shut your mouth (fat ugly mullet douche) and leave the poor guy alone (drug addict olsen pounding lunatic) .

    sorry for my tourettes (sluts)

  100. Michelle says – reply to this


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    I agree with her. You might not like her but she does have a point being a bitch or not, that is beside the point. Michelle and the family need there time to greive and protect that little girl, that is the real issue here. Keep in mind that there is an innicent little person in the middle of this, and in the years to come I am sure eyes will be on her and how she is doing. She will never get to know her dad, all she knows is the person he was before he died, her daddy. And he seemed like he was a wonderful person and father and my heart goes out to that little girl. For the love of that little girl just let it be for now, let them grieve. RIP Heath. May peace be with you Michelle and Matilda and to his parents and family and friends.

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