Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America!"
Filed under: Barack ObamaBarack's pastor continues to make very controversial remarks.
Posted: March 14, 2008 at 1:53 pm
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Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America!"Filed under: Barack ObamaBarack's pastor continues to make very controversial remarks. Posted: March 14, 2008 at 1:53 pm
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You one sided smearing piece of shit. These are the exact negative campaigning tactics that need to change. Way to be part of the herd Mario, you uninformed moron.
AMERICA IS DOOMED IF HE BECOMES PRESIDENT!!!!!!!
Obama needs to step down. We don't need someone who is full of hate, anger and venom running this country. Or men who associate with the those that are- for 20 years!!!!!! American's wake up. Obama is bad news!
Ok, we are in American and our goal is equality. He should be punished for his racist comments. He is no better than the white people who think they are better than black people. He has become who he hates.
Re: joe123@aol.com – You are soooo right! Thank GOd there are some normal thinkers around here! Actually let me re-phrase that I am glad there are people who think out there!
Yowzers! 'Very controversial comments' Ya think?
Barack should really distance himself from this man.
I have been on the fence as to who to vote for, & something like this will make my decsion alot easier!
Nothing pisses me off more than when I hear someone say that America is/was responcible for Sept 11th.
I really am surprised that Barack supports (with his tithing, I'm sure) a man that would say those kind of things!
Shameful!
Pepole are not mad at you Perez, over WHO you are supporting, rather for your uneducated and biased "reporting"
Enough!
Now you're really fostering division. Tell us all, as a gay man, would you ever be at Pride Week voicing anger at the country that brought us "don't ask, don't tell," the gay marriage debate and the persecution of homosexuals? When that high school kid in Wisconsin got beaten to death for being gay, did you feel anger at the country and culture that failed to protect him? Do you vilify the Sally Kerns and other homophobic idiots that hold back our entire culture?
So, knowing how you Miami Cubans get along so well with black people - yeah, I said it! - what is so wrong with the Pastor's comments when you listen to the entire message. "Damn a country for treating people as [not human]," he says. Wouldn't you, or any member of any persecuted group agree?
You've become a bigoted little Hillary mouthpiece, haven't you? Blog on issues, if you're going to shift this blog away from the fluff that made you famous.
You should listen to what he said the Sunday AFTER 9/11. This guy is frightening. He obviously Hates the United States. Why would Obama go to this "church"?
I do feel America is ready for a black president, YET it won't be BARACK OBAMA! GO HILLARY!
Keep posting the truth Perez, we love you for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama is NOT what America NEEDS or WANTS!!!!!!!!!!
Hillary '08!!
That pastor is an idiot, and so is barack
FUCK HILLARY.FUCK THIS DISGUSTING COUNTRY AND FUCK PEREZ HILTON AND HIS IGNORANT UNEDUCATED READER.TA DAH =)
Re: UKer – YOu are an Idiot! How dare you even compare Republicans to this racist piece of shit? There are no true republicans in this race not even Mcain who along with Shrillary and Osama Obama is a big Sissy and has no right to be the president of this great country!
im tired of all this black talk on how they were slaves, and how america is under the kkk, this just proves how ignorant someone must be for actually taking what this guy has to say in consideration.they are all dumb fucks and need to get the fuck over them being slaves…we are a nation of all immigrants so dont go that route.people are just so fucking dumb now a days.
you know, perez, people comment about the inaccuracies of your post, and you never try to correct yourself.
and you are truly one-sided
if you want to read real blog, read this:
http://blog.pmarca.com/2008/03/an-hour-and-a-h.html
Unless Barack explains that he realizes this guy incites racism in his flock, he has definitely lost my vote and I DID vote for him in the primary. This preacher is manipulating the naivete of these poor black folks and keeping them angry and ignorant instead of inspiring them to greatness. He's a racist who is exploiting the working poor. Find the youtube where he calls Jesus a "poor black man"….huh????? He also said that the Romans were "Italian." Does he not know there was no Italy in the time of the Romans? Yikes. Barack - this guy is dangerous.
I AGREE WITH THE PASTOR, racially structured laws and a history of terroism… GOD DAMN AMERICA! TIme for change! GO OBAMA!
Re: Blair –
The civil rights movement was what, like 60 years ago, and we already more concerned with the racism of blacks against whites….I think that your reasoning is misguided and resentful. You are not being a realist by 'seeing' things this way, you are being ignorant.
This is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever read. Where do Black people get off thinking that they have it worse than anyone else??? It is 2008, ALL the dumb racist shit is over. There will always be racism, ALWAYS. But it's not common, it's not normal anymore.
From the way things sounds all these black folks are racist. I think that we should all just get over the dumb shit, be ONE America, and MAKE SURE BARACK STAYS OUT OF OFFICE!!
Give up Perez. You are fishing for dirt on Obama while not even acknowleding the racist remarks made by Ferraro.
These videos were first brought to light by Sean Hannity at Fox News. The same guy who hates pretty much any minority. What does it say about you when you are putting up the same things as such a hateful man. Grow up Perez. Stick to gossip.
I agree with everything the Pastor said..
SO????
I'm a WHITE BUDDHIST and I say, GO REV!!!
Even if I don't completely agree with him, I respect that he has strong opinions.
He's not preaching hate, like republicunt Sally Kern, he's saying LOOK AT WHAT OUR COUNTRY DOES, look at the bullshit that our government perpetuates. Only
complete YEE-HAWS who like to whine "unpatriotic" if you say anything other than god bless the USA, will have a problem with him. I love this country, AND we fuck up ALOT. Patriotism IS about pointing out what needs to be fixed. If you think the USA is completely blameless for 9/11, you are stuck in VICTIM MENTALITY. No one deserves what happened to the US, but we need to look at how we operate in the world, and how that contributed to that horrid day. WE TRAINED OSAMA>
let me enlighten you. black people go to church in a different way than whites. this guy knows his audience and i think much of what he is saying is exaggerated to voice the frustrations of his audience. it is entertainment on a certain level. historically church was the only place for this kind of ranting for blacks and i really dont think we should take this stuff too literally. also i think this guy is trying to get some of the spotlight from oboma and extreme rhetoric like this is working perfectly. obama brings alot of baggage to the white house because of his race. not his fault but it is reality
People are voting for Obama as blindly as they voted for Bush. It's time to wake up people. Hillary 2008!
MICHELE OBAMA IS NOT PROUD OF HER COUNTRY!!!
APPARENTLY NEITHER IS HER SPIRITUAL ADVISOR!!!!!!!
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I WONDER WHAT BARACK OBAMA IS NOT TELLING US ABOUT HIS BELIEFS???
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OBAMA IS: POLITICS AS USUAL!
What he says is RIGHT!! America had been run by men who are only out to make the rich richer. A bunch of unintelligent, imbread, spoiled white men who have known nothing but a life of privlage and are taught that if anyone is not like them there wrong. We need to let someone in the white house who is rely on more then just there name. I mean really look at the last person we voted for just because he had a famous last name.
It's about time someone stood up and spoke there mind without fear..It's the 1st ammentment people!!
I agree with everything the pastor said…controversial remarks?? more like the truth..
OBAMA 08.
Perez why didnt you report geraldine ferraro?!
What was radical about this?
Dumb fucking flagwaving freedom-frieseating "support our troops" bumbersticker morons.
You got attacked becous of your actions in other countries… read a fucking book.
Re: Liz – you would…i bet your black too
Re: N8tive – speaking what truth- its a free country- leave if you dont like it moron~
Wow, how can you stupid Americans ignore this. This is pretty serious. This is Obama's mentor. Hoe convenient, he waited 20 years to distance himself from this pastor. I do not expect much from peoplr who re elected GWB. The world is laughing at your obessession with this nobody!
Why on earth do people still drool all over the wonderful Obama? What is wrong with this country????????????
HE IS NOT CONTINUING TO MAKE THESE PRONOUNCEMENTS.
HE HAS RETIRED.
STOP FANNING THE FLAMES.
OBAMA IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THIS MAN SAYS.
OBAMBA IS ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT OBAMA SAYS.
DAMN, YOU HILLARY SUPPORTERS ARE SORE LOSERS!
this pathetic man helped me make up my mind about who i won't be voting for.
Re: liz – Full of hate? I am almost speechless….considering who we as a country elected almost 8 years ago, TWICE. If Obama is full of hate I don't even want to think about what the other FAR MORE powerful people who have been, and WILL CONTINUE to run our country are 'full of.'
Save your venom for the very REAL problems our country is experiencing!
this goes to show we NEVER want a BLACK president! ALL they do is BITCH & WHINE!! shut the fuck up already & GET THE FUCK OVER IT!! If you're soooo worried about AFRICA.. ALL the black people SHOULD GO BACK TO AFRICA & help them out over there…we don't need you here to bitch & moan & feel sorry for yourselves!!
I really don't feel what he is saying is wrong. Sorry.
My Preacher doesn't talk about politics at my church & I like it that way because He studied the bible not politics.
Stick to what you know Mr. Preacher!
I understand partisanship and having your own candidate. But come on! You posted nothing on the Clinton/Ferraro scandal, and yet, the second a little scandal came up involving Obama…BOOM! One problem, this is a pastor of a church he goes to when he happens to be home…which isn't very often. It's not a MAJOR member of his campaign team. Irresponsibility!
THANKYOU for posting this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every race has thier idiots and this is one example. If you hate America and "Damn" it then get hell out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are you for Hillary? It doesn't make any sense. She does not have experience as anything other than a senator. Being the wife of someone doesn't make you qualified to your husbands work any more than being the husband of someone makes you qualified to do the wifes work. Tom Hank's wife would not do as good as a job as he did In Forest Gump Or Apollo 13 or any of his work. Chris Rock's wife is not qualified to be a comedian.
Amazing!!! Take a few sound bites, take them out of context and anybdoy can be portrayed however you want them to seem. I am proud of Rev. Wright and the fact that he is courageous and yes, I did use the word courageous to tell it like it is. Many Americans would rather look the other way and not acknowledge the mistreatment of Blacks in this country. Rev. Wright only seeks to instill pride of our accomplishments, of our resiliency with all that has happened, and to continue to presevere. This is America, one does have freedom of speech and he is free to express himself however he'd like. Obama does not have to agree with everything Rev. Wright says just like many Republicans do not agree with everything Bush says. Maybe he is getting a little too close to the White House for some people and this is a way to discredit him. What is it? Barack HUSSEIN Obama, closet Muslim who will hand America to radical Arab extremist or Barack Obama with a radical Christian minister? Wake up people!!!
Although I may not agree with everything the REv. has to say, he has a right to say it and should not be criticized for practicing his first amendement right. Anyways, it is not Obama who says this, so why get angry at him for something he did not say! What the Rev, says is not that far fetched. It is true, we have in the past and still do support terrorist states and are arguably a terrorist sate.
does race have something to do with it when white people vote for white people? is that what you're trying to say? if you support a politician that is the same race as you, does that make you a racist, and is race the only consideration? how insulting it is to say that black people ONLY vote for obama because he is black. falls into the stereotype that everything black people do is race based. and as far as rev. wright, if 25,000 white people woke up black tomorrow and had to live in this country as black people, within a week, there would be 25,000 suicides!! because you don't live with it, you have no idea what being black in this country is like. you think that because it's not slavery, and it's not legal jim crow, and people aren't running around yelling the "n" word (oh wait, some people still do) at us, then everything in america is peaches and cream. it's not. and if you had to live with it, then you would be angry too. and angry people sometimes go too far - but that doesn't change the basic tenets of the the actual experience.
WHY WOULD OBAMA EVER ASSOCIATE WITH THIS ASSHOLE PREACHER? I DON'T CARE HOW OLD THIS VIDEO IS . THIS WAS OBAMA'S CHOSEN PREACHER FOR THE LAST 20 FUCKING YEARS!!!!!! HOW BLIND ARE YOU OBAMA SUPPORTERS????? WHO EVER EVEN SAYS GODAMM IN A CHURCH LET ALONE THE PREACHER??? OBAMA IS NO GOOD AND I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HIM - EVER AND I AM A DEMOCRAT.
Give it up Perez, you're not politically influential, regardless of what Hilary pays you. If the worst thing you can find on Barack is some nutty pastor, then he's in a pretty solid place.
HAHA…
So Obama tries to distance himself from the racist pastor of a church he has been a member of for 20 years, what took him so long. Guess he finally figured out that most minorities don't vote & he needs to start kissing the white mans ass to get elected.
OKAY…THE PRESS NEEDS TO STOP DRAGGING OBAMA'S NAME THROUGH THE MUD JUST CAUSE A THIRD PARTY MADE SOME REMARKS!!!! JESUS! THAT'S LIKE SAYING ALL THE REMARKS PEREZ MAKES ON HIS SITE IS WHAT ALL GAY MEN IN THE WORLD ARE THINKING. I HATE HOW THE PRESS TRIES TO MAKE IT OUT LIKE "GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION" JUST THE SELL SOME PRESS. PEOPLE I HOPE YOU'RE NOT BUYING INTO ANY OF THIS!
Wright is falsely using the Bible to promote his HATRED of nonAfrican-Americans. Since when is going to church about the color of your skin. Church is suppose to be about worshipping God, not promoting hatred. Shame on Wright!
Re: Jen W. from Bloomingdale – What Geraldine Ferraro said was true, she had the courage to say what most people are thinking. None of her comments were anti-American or racist. Why the mentality that if someone criticizes a black person they are racist, even if what they are saying is true?
This so called man of God has a message of hate..he is anti-American, anti-white and definately lacks a moral fiber. A man running for POTUS willingly attended this church and looked to this guy as a spiritual adivsor. It should be offensive and disturbing to everyone. Obama hates America, Obama hates White people, WAKE UP AMERICA! Obama is dangerous.
This guy is fucking CRAZY, and so is any stupid idiot that votes for Obama
Great way to further polarize our already divided Democratic party with these scare tactics.
oh hey. freedom of religion. the first amendment protects what this man says.
dont be so offended. stfu. the amendmets protect you too, say whatever you want.
Controversial? It's ignorant.
I'm by no means a religious person, but that is my own personal choice.
I am very optimistic-but this so called preacher deserves to lost his position.
Who among us doesn't have a grandmother or old parent that hasn't said the most inappropriate things and embarrassed us?
That is all this is, an old man mouthing off.
Hillary supporters are using this old footage in attempt to inject race and hatred into the campaign. Everyone is sick of the race card. You should be too Perez.
all i can say is wow. and obama thinks with a past like this, he can win against a war veteran and 5 year POW? me no think so.
VOTE HILLARY. she will unite the dems and is offering obama the olive branch of VP. obama is divisive and is tearing the dems apart. mccain over obama. HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!!!
I was always for HILLARY but didn't hate Obama just thought he wasn't the best for the job! Now I look at him as someone who just feeds the HATE in this world. I know that you can disagree with some parts of your religon but this man is full of hate. IF THIS WHAT YOU BELIEVE, THAN I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE NERVE TO RUN AS PRESIDENT!
hillary makes me feel all squishy inside. i heart her.
CLINTON 08
He's right. Everything I heard that man say is absolutely true. OF COURSE he's getting flak for telling it like it is! Some of you Americans are so clueless and in denial about your country's own reality.. (what? we're not racist! and: those fuckers deserved it! etc while not putting 9-11 into the same context). This guy isn't anti-American. He's calling attention to what threatens the integrity of the US. Obama isn't even saying this "controversial" shit (reality check) and Clinton wouldn't go near it with a ten foot pole. I'd be voting Obama, because he seems to have a social consciousness and at least some perspective on the almighty American ego. You all need to watch the American film "Why We Fight," about how war-driven America is and why. It'll clear some shit up for you. This is the stuff you don't see on ABC "news" (which is a total whitewash).
You have conveniently left out Gennaro's comments.
It is an old video and Barrack has distanced himself from the Pastor's opinions long ago.
You are such a fool and contributing to the damage of this political process.
thanks perez for batting for the right team.
HILLARY 4EVA
Re: Aaron – DUH!!!!!!! As soon as the elections are over I bet these two will be old buddies again! You are a naive individual! I don't care for anyone running for President but this guy is a joke!!!!
What's really amazing is that Obama presents himself to America as the opposite of his pastor but then you wonder how can a person sit in this pastor's church for 20 years and not believe in this as well , who is the true Obama, the man how say's we our one America, we must transcend race or that America is a racist country that has to go down in flames for it's offenses, which is what his church and pastor believe.
obama's goin down!!!
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Fact: Blacks are more racist than whites!
I know that some people may get offended but the pastor is not completly wrong. some of the things he say are true. some of the things that have happen to us are our goverment faults.
Before you fall in love with Obama's message of hope, look at the radical, afrocentric doctrine that has shaped him. No doubt if Obama wins in November, this nut will be one of his "spiritual" advisors. Be careful America!
Thanks for highlighting this Perez.
This guy is no "pastor." He's a sham. He's a racist. He's disgusting.
Any American who could listen to this hate speech and STILL go and vote for Obama is a fucking idiot. This douche has been Obama's "spiritual advisor" for over 20 years.
If a "pastor" of McCain's or Clinton's was spewing white supremecy, their presidential campaign would end immediately. I guess Obama gets a pass because he's black.
Re: Jennifer – you are obviousely far too stupid to understand what i said.
if ppl who are supporters of the democratic party pick obama over clinton, they'll be handing the republicans the presidency on a plate, America will never vote for obama to be president, it's as simple as that.
mark my words.
I thought that black people who are born in the US are Americans. My great grand parents were all from different countries. I am an not a Polish American, Irish American, French American, etc. I am just an American. This Pastor scares me and so does Obama.
Yeah Obama pastor, might be retired, he just retired Feb.2008, one month ago. He's still one of Obama spiritual advisors, on his presidential campaign now. You all just feel right dumb and taken by the snake oil salesman, you voted for him and not going to admit it. So SUCK IT UP, you were bamboozled and hoodwinked, by Obama. People tried to tell you to research him before you casted your vote, but you wanted to follow the leader, and thought Obama was cool, and cute. So you have endorsed a racist, tell your friends that. It's not about race it's about experience and how well do you know this person. Obama came out of the woodwork, and he blew his flute and you all came running, right off the cliff, FOOLS!!!!! hillaryspeaksforme.com & taylormarsh.com
And Romney being Mormon was an issue!!?? Holy….. how is Obama being a member of this church not an issue!!!???
hey you are so biased, leave obama alone. his pastor's words does not equal his words. why don't you post what clinton's advisors say that he's only winning states cause he's black. shit if he was white, there would be no doubt with him being in this election.
can't fight racism with racism
Re: NO BLACK PREDIDENT PLEASE!! – AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ron Paul said America was partially responsible for the 9-11 tragedies too.
But since he is white, he is allowed.
I go to a Presbyterian Church and my minister makes political statements on a regular basis.
What happened to freedom of religion?
I wouldn't let my daughters be in the same room as this racist nut, let alone consider him old uncle. Old uncle my butt, Obama knows exactly what was going on there he attended that church for more than 20 years. It is horrible that a man would talk like that in any house of worship. Down with you Obama! I pray that you will not get elected! GOD BLESS AMERICA
It's sad that they can't find any dirt on Obama so this is what they stoop to. He has said a MILLION times that he doesn't agree with everything he says. What's next? His trash guy beats his wife. Give me a break!
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Are you people serious about putting someone that supports this man's beliefs into the White House? If Obama actually believes this crap, we're in big trouble. It sounds like reverse discrimination against white people.
I'll definitely be voting for MCCAIN - at least we know he's a patriot (and yes, despite what some of you people think, it IS ok to love America!).
SOUNDS JUST LIKE ROSIE O'DONNELL TO ME.
YES PEREZ!!! thank you thank you
HILLARY ALL THE WAY. she is kicking a$$ in PA and my mom's going to a rally at the univ of pittsburgh today!! Go HILL
Re: Jase –
Are you kidding me? Racism doesn't exist? Have you ever heard of the Jena 6? Have you ever heard that blacks receive longer prison sentences than whites? How many black people run Fortune 500 companies?
The Reverend is correct. America brought 9/11 on itself because of its poor foreign policy developed by rich white men in order keep corporate growth, and don't think that this is just Republicans. Bill and Hillary have the same relationships that Bush and Cheany have.
Come on. Open your eyes.
As a church going person I have to say I don't always agree with my pastor. yes true! and if everytime you disagree with your church you are going to move to another one you be running around like crazy.Those comments where kind of harsh but people don't feel so proud of what america have done to the world. And yes is our fault is our goverment!!
THAT'S RIGHT, LET THEIR OPPONENTS ASK (OR IN OBAMA'S CASE AXE) TEN QUESTIONS. SUBMIT ALL PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES TO LIE DETECTOR TESTS NOW. SUBMIT ALL PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES TO LIE DETECTOR TESTS NOW. HEY BUDDY, LET ME AXE YOU A QUESTION!!! SUBMIT ALL PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES TO LIE DETECTOR TESTS NOW!!!
This is scary. Obama has been a part of this man's church for over 20 years. If he disagreed with him so much why would he stay affiliated w/ the church for so long. Yes the man retired a month ago after 36 years. I will not vote for Obama. Go Hilary or Mccain, Obama sucks.
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL DAY IT WILL BE WHEN BARACK OBAMA IS SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND ALL YOU UGLY HATEMONGERS AND RACISTS WILL HAVE TO EAT YOUR WORDS.
Re: Common Sense – AMEN AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! This guy is just feeding these people and making them haters! That's not the way! Are we going backwards or what???!!!!
WHY DON'T ALL YOU LIBERALS JUST WAKE UP FROM YOUR STUPOR OF STUPIDITY AND VOTE FOR MCCAIN…YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!! HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO HASN'T BEEN RACE BAITING AND WHO ACTUALLY DENOUNCES ANY MUD SLINGING…FOCUS ON WHO IS MOST QUALIFIED PEOPLE…AND FOCUS ON SOMEONE WHO LOVES THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Lynda – This paster influenced Obama for 20 years, that is enough proof to me that he shouldn't be my president. Bad judgment if you ask me!!!! bad, bad, bad
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Re: UKer – Um….it is spelled "primaries"…..
Dear Rev… When you point your finger at someone you have three pointing back at you !!!! If you don't want to be in this country… Let me buy you a ticket back to Africa where you can spend the rest of your life in a third world country… And then go ahead and blame AMERICA for Africa's devistation… But at least we won't be able to hear you !!!!!! Red, Yellow, BLACK and WHITE… if you do the crime GO TO JAIL !!!!!! It shoudl be ond strike your out if you ask me… LOOSER !!!!!!!
All those events "that american" was involved in- well guess who was president at the time…………………….. a democratic president…………….that preacher is a nut job
Why would anyone vote for Obama? He doesn't even state his issues and he couldn't answer if he would make a good Commander and Chief. From voters of Obama, I would really like to know what issues you agree with. Please be specific.
BTW I am not a McCain or Hillary fan either.
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If the CLINTON CAMP hates BLACKS what you think she thinks about HOMO'S…hahahahaha she probably thinks lessssssssssss of them that blacks..she already has the latin community thinking she cares about them… What a bunch a fools
Reverend Wright has retired–where are these clips coming from?