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"Minnesota Church Files Restraining Order Against Autistic Parishioner"
He's not allowed to come to mass…because he's got autism and acts up! CLICK HERE to read the article accompanying this headline.
Church Files Restraining Order Against Autistic Parishioner
A Minnesota church is coming under fire for the way it's treating one of its parishioners.
Adam Race, 13, and his family did not go to mass at Bertha's Church of St. Joseph Sunday morning like they usually do.
The Todd County Sheriff told Adam's mom if she did take him to St. Joseph's, she would be arrested.
St. Joseph's has filed a temporary restraining order against Adam. In a statement, Father Dan Walz said he filed the petition as a last resort out of "a growing concern for the safety of parishioners".
Adam is severely autistic. He is home-schooled, and has attended St. Joseph's his whole life. He is also more than six feet tall and weighs more than 235 pounds.
In court documents, Father Walz said Adam's growing size makes it harder for his parents to manage his behavior during mass. Father Walz said Adam struck a child, bolts unexpectedly from church nearly knocking people down, including elderly people.
He said Adam also spits and urinates during church.
Carol Races said those allegations are either exaggerated or false. She said Adam is not angry or violent, he has never spit in church, and that on rare occasions, he has been incontinent.
Carol blames Adam's worst behavior, revving a church member's running car after mass, on a lack of accommodation from the church.
"They don't understand how the mechanisms of autism are working at the moment of these disruptions and so forth," Carol Race said. "And I want to point out that in the last couple of months Adam has been perfectly well-behaved. So that's what's shocking to me."
Carol said sometimes Adam is noisy and must be restrained during mass, but she said her family always sits in back and leaves church a few minutes early.
A hearing has been set on May 19th in Todd County Court.
Re: kill u –
shit bitch! fucking relax, face it the guy has a point, he might not have said it in a very nice way but he has a point and you need to slow your fucking roll, it's people like YOU that are what's wrong with this world, people who overreact to stupid shit and then threaten to do violence to other people and maybe you should learn how to spell before you call other people ignorAnt… that kinda just makes you look like a dumbass
Re: Beth – #204
Yes let's keep all these people on another planet so people like you wouldn't be bothered or "yuk" by the situation. What is wrong with you? People are people. And people with disabilities come in all shapes in sizes. These kids/adults are helpless. Why can't we value them as a human being?
I feel sorry for you.
At my mission there is a mentally challenged man who walks around and collects the donations during mass.
I doubt the church would let this happen if this boy didn't cause some sort of hazardous disturbances, however, i do think this boy should be allowed in some way to attend mass.
That is so sad…. I was on a train from Newark to NYC one day, and a small boy (who I believe was autistic) and his mother were on it, there were a LOT of people crammed into that train and it was a bumpy ride, and the boy was crying and crying and screaming and eventually began rolling on the floor crying. People were yelling at the mother!!! Even as she was on the floor, trying with all she had to console the child, they yelled at her to 'shut up her bad kid'. UGH. Ignorance is everywhere and it's just so awful. Poor people. and I agree Dawn, We ARE all God's children.
Re: Natalie –
Thats an idiotic statement if ive ever heard of one. This is what happens when your catholic? Im sorry, have you ever been catholic? My church provides plenty of support for people with disabilities, and encourages them to be very active within the church. Seriously, dont just say random crap that you dont know anything about.
Who ever is saying horrible comments on people that have Austism are FUCKING stupid. Seriously, how can you be so ignorant.
Let me tell you. That priest is just being an idiot. It's ok to be concern for the other people but to ban him from church. Yeah right. We are all GODs children and he should really think what he's doing.
i can't believe this! he's autistic for goodness gracious sake! if u believe in God, love and serve Him. u should love and serve the people around u just like Christ. u can't ban people from going to the church! where is "compassion" people!
Welll,I have a 10 year old severly autistic child.He can be very disruptiveI love him tp pieces but my job is to protect others,I know my son and what triggers his behaiviors.God will understand if these people dont make it to church I think I have made it there twice in the past 10 years,and that was without my son.I want to go but no one will babysit with the fear of getting hurt.Im sure god will excuse me.
I can understand why they would do that though. It seems hypocritical, but I can still understand. People just aren't comfortable with that, especially when it's disruptive to their own worshiping.
OMG you AmeriCUNTS are SO fucking crazazazay and weird…get a fkn clue
Re: LaTanisha – AAAHHHhahaha! what?!
Re: chacharoo – first of all how is having to stay and sit through church a reward?! ecspecially for an autistic kid who probably doesn't comprehend any of it anyways so it's all just a meaningless chore that he's being forcibly subjected to each week (along with his fellow church members for the sake of his inconsiderate parents) and second of all it has nothing to do with his parents failing to teach him manners… he acts that way because he's fucking autistic! it has nothing to do with bad manners
FUCK THAT! i have an autistic daughter. we get what we get
in life and must deal w/ it! and religion is not one of those dealings.although paganism a healthy one!
Why is it so important that he GO TO MASS? Can't they "home church" him too? Nysro's right–it's a private place–he doesn't need to be there. It's not discrimination if his actions are affecting others in a negative way. Besides, who's to say there is a god anyway?
Skeptics Guide Logical Fallacy # 4: Argument from Final Consequences. Such arguments are based on a reversal of cause and effect, because they argue that something is caused by the ultimate effect that it has, or purpose that is serves. For example: God must exist, because otherwise life would have no meaning.
"Carol blames Adam's worst behavior, revving a church member's running car after mass, on a lack of accommodation from the church."
IF YOU CAN"T CONTROL YOUR OWN KID, DON'T EXPECT THE CHURCH TO "ACCOMMODATE" YOU. THE CURCH IS A PLACE OF WORSHIP, NOT A BABYSITTERS CLUB.
I have a son who with Autism, and I would be very upset if he was banished from church, he goes to a catholic school and they are understanding there can be a few sneers by some people but it is appalling that the priest is behind the driving force for the banishment of this boy and his family. I hope that the heaven gates are firmly shut on his ass as I thought that church was a house of god and EVERYONE was welcome. Shame on you and you call yourself a man of god!
If special accomodations are made in churches for other handicaps, then they should be made for someone who is autistic. Maybe he shouldn't be in the actual congregation, but in a separate room where his "act-ups" could happen without disrupting the mass or harming others. Little ones are put in a nursery, where the service is piped in over a PA system. It could be the same for him. Just an idea, you know.
This is terrible. What is this world coming to. My son has autism. God is suppose to love us all no matter what. The priest should be ashamed of himself. Adam has a right to go to church just like everyone else. But, It is okay when priests sexually abuse young boys. All I can say is this is sick. Our society has to change it's views. There are more and more children bieng diagnosed with Autism. We as a society have to accept and love these children for who they are.
Re: Djuna – Home services! He's already home schooled. If he had the benefit of a trained special educator in a public school environment, he'd have at least a chance of learning appropriate self control and social skills. I teach special ed, and I could teach him what he needs in a month or two of school so that he could go to church safely- and I don't even use adversives. BTW, give his family a f-ing break. Church was probably the last place they could go with him and now that's gone.
I have a son with Autism and am a Christian. jesus did not come to save the healthy. He came to heal the sick. He hung out with the people that no-one else would. So, shame on these people who call themselves Christ like followers. If a matter of safety was a concern, then the congregation should have come together to figure out a solution with the family.
Shame on them. My prayers are with them all.
He hits little kids, pushes old people out of his way as he runs out of church, and pisses on the floor. The church offered his family several reasonable alternatives but the family refused. The family does not care if he knocks over some old bat and breaks her hip and she dies within a year (50% of elderly folks who have broken a hip die within one year) because they are too self absorbed.
Discrimation at its finest.
I think it's weird how most churches have a 'crying room' for families like mine who may have an infant crying during mass as to not 'disturb' others. I can't COUNT how many times my infant might start crying whether it be in church, the mall, or anywhere else in public and the nasty looks and eye rolls, meanwhile all of these holier than thou people saying this is 'disgusting' that the safety and well being of this parish is appauling. I'm not saying I agree with it, I don't. There is a downs syndrom child in my parish and he does similar things and no one really minds, but think about how discriminating we all are. If an infant is crying it is SO annoying that the child and parent must be banished to a seperate sound proof room as to not disrupt anyone, but a special needs child should be able to run around the church urinating and spitting because he is special needs. You're right, I think discrimination is DISGUSTING no matter who is doing it, whether you are discriminating against a crying 6 month old infant, or an autistic teen. I think we need to banish cry rooms and restraining orders because you know what, it is hypocritical to over turn one and let the other go.
I just have something to say real quick, someone said that autistic people are stupid…. That is a very false statement, my daughter is autistic. By the time she was 2 she knew all ABC's, how to count and all her colors and able to read certain words. By the time she was 4 she was reading books. When she got into 1st grade the kids wanted Emily to read to them instead of the teacher because when Emily read she read with expression. But over the years and having to deal with so called normal kids teasing her and so on, Emily withdrew herself more. Emily's autisim has to do more with emotional and behavioral issues. She is not stupid by no means. She graduated early this year WITH OUT special ed classes, before she graduated highschool she had already earned some college credits in computer graphics which she will be continuing with in the fall. So does that sound stupid to you, I think not.
My son is both blind and autistic and we have known for years that his primary disability is the autism. People see the little white cane so they see the blindness first, but it is all the rest that is more of a heartbreak. My church started a special needs ministry several years ago so that families like mine can worship in peace while our children are being ministered to in another part of the church. This program has been a blessing to our family. If there was just one church in every community that would offer this ministry in could touch a lot of lives.
this goes to lisa & to anyone else whose been related to someone with autism. i whole-heartedly sympathize with everything you go through in life. i have 2 autistic cousins. look, i know we all have this ideal of 'if someone wants to attend church, then let them', however, this child is huge- even a normal sized child with autism is difficult for multiple people to maintain. urinating on church-goers? would you want a random child peeing on you when you're just trying to attend church any given sunday?! i'm guessing no, anyone who disagrees is sick, imo. no one's comfortable worshipping in those conditions. these people do not attend church to worship someone's child whose incapable of respecting human rights, they attend to worship the lord– who creates those children in need of better care that they AREN'T QUALIFIED to give!!
this ISN'T a case of discrimination. this is a community that's taken measures to accomidate this child. but autistic children have much much greater needs than the typical 'mentally disabled'. there's only so much the world can do to accomidate this boy. this lil man should praise the lord at home. the lord will love him anyway, just as he'll love those church-goers anyway, & we should anyway.
god will bless. god will judge. god will forgive!!!!!!!!!!
Well this guy is Autistic, He cant help it, There is no need to Banish him from the grounds! Way To Go Perez!! Stick Up For The Cause.
As someone with Asperger's (in the closet, by the way, as so many discriminate against people with autism) I take exception to #48's "needs to be cured". Once you guys start weeding us out of your gene pool you can kiss goodbye any future advances from people like Tesla, Einstein, Bill Gates, and creative brilliance from certain gifted actors and directors most of you are clueless about.
If the child wants to be in church, and this is a part of his structure and schedule that he prefers, then indeed this is very sad. However, if the parents are making this kid go because they are religious, and insensitive to his sensory sensitivities that is sadder.
Cure this…
Who the hellllll are these priests? They molest little boys. But there not banned are you kidding me. God accepts everyone. That's bull.
How much do you want to bet the real reason he is not allowed in that church is because some people believe mentally handicapped people are not children of God and are evil. They don't kick out parents when their babies are crying interrupting service. I've seen people's bad ass children running through church unattended kickin people, screaming and shit and their behavior can be controlled where as this young boy's can not. This is discrimination at it's worst, kicked out of church, supposedly everyone's safe haven….. I don't see anywhere in that report that the boy actually hurt anyone, bumping into someone could happen to anyway and the priest is just a prick, maybe he should have tried working with the family instead of banning them.
This is outrageous. Yeah right… Somehow some people feel the rights of one person outweigh that of many.
I feel badly for everyone involved. I've taught severely autistic children, and they can become violent or be difficult to control. It's hard. In a setting like church, all those behaviours are magnified because of the quiet. I understand how the parishoners may feel, but I feel for this family too. I wish an understanding or arrangement could have been worked out before having to resort to paperwork.
I have an idea, why doesn't the church have a mass that welcomes parents and their children with disabilities, separate from the general public??? Have the mass outside the church, under a tree, on the parking lot under a canapy??? There CAN be a solution to this. People need to think and voice their opinion. After what the Catholic church continues to go through and the raise of austic children in this country, you would have thought somebody would have come up with a solution. As always, please just love passing the buck!!!
It all depends on who is right here. Did he really strike a child, almost knock down elderly people and pee in church? Then yes, for the safety of others he should not be allowed in the church. If what the Mom is saying about it being mostly false then the church is going to be a real problem. most of us don't live there to know the truth. There was one who does live there and says the priest is correct. Then yes, for the safety of others he should be banned. maybe the priest can offer a special sermon for the family on another day or go to their house of they must go. I hope for the church's sake though some of this is on video. Otherwise it's one persons opinion against anothers.
Perez, is there someone we can write to??? I would like to voice my opinion on this issue!!!
It sounds like the church really tried to work with them. I think they where totally justified in their actions. It is really sad, but I wouldn't want my child in a church (although I don't go to church) where there was a boy like that in attendance. Of course NOT because he is autistic, but because he is a big guy who apparently can not be controlled by his parents. He is dangerous to any one around him in the church. I am sure they heads of that church didn't WANT to kick the poor guy out, but what choice did they have? Just let him be there as a threat to all the children and any one else in the place because he is autistic? No. It is a really sad situation, but they had to do what they had to do. I am quite sure that the issue was not his autism, it was the fact that every one else was truly in danger because of him being there. Maybe the parents could have worked with the church more too. It is a lose-lose situation, really sad
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I feel badly for all involved…but I have to side with the Church, after reading more about the topic.
1) family was offered home visits for the Eucharist, they said no.
2) family was offered their own space during Church, they said no.
3) family was offered their own Mass, they said no.
The child is a big boy, violent, aggressive towards others, probably doesn't want to be there, pisses on others and shoves them. If he hurt my grand parents or another family member, I'd be livid. The Church tried to help out, they didn't just toss them out in the cold. It's the parents who are to blame. Society doesn't have to bend to the desires of everyone. We have to live in peace together. The family of the boy did not try to co-operate with the Church. They did a disservice to all.
"They don't understand how the mechanisms of autism are working at the moment of these disruptions and so forth,"
The "mechanisms of autism" are getting church goer's kids smacked and elderly people nearly knocked down. Sad but true facts.
This is "inclusion" gone too far. Certainly alternate arrangements could be made to suit both family and church. Our church has a "crying room" where out of hand kids can act out all they like.
In the end, money talks. Folks will take their church going dollars elsewhere; to a peaceful place where they feel safe and at ease.
THE KID IS A DANGER TO HIMSELF AND OTHERS.
THIS IS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD. NO WONDER YOUR COUNTRY IS IN THE
SHITTER!
Once again uneducated people violating the rights of the disabled. Just because god made them a little different!! WAKE UP people …… the disabled are disABLED body people. They are special in their own way. Go out of your way to make them feel normal. As a parent of a austic and neurologically impared son …… this hurts me to read this article. I wouldnt change my 23 yr old for the world. AND yes like ALL children/adults they all act out ….. but that does NOT mean you forbid them to go to church and worship god!!
you can thank his mom for not taking him into the "quiet room". i dont care where you are, but if there are a few hundred people around, and one of them starts to act out, guess who gets the boot.
Jesus never turned ANYONE away; the demon possessed, the prostitute, the tax collector. This is so sad. FIND ANOTHER CHURCH!!
I've worked with autistic children and they can be quite disruptive and unruly. While the situation is unfortunate it's probably the last choice for the church.
I gotta say, the church handled this BAAADD. The guy should be there if he's out of control even occasionally, but the preacher should have offered to give them a private service at home. Or maybe created a special mass for all the families with special needs people. They'd probably get more buts in the seat.
What would we be saying if this kid ran over some old lady and she broke her hip and died? THey'd be blaming the preacher for letting his misbehavior go on unchecked.
WTF???? what do you expect someone with autism to do???? isnt this some kind of illegal discrimination?…can they do that???….pretty soon they'll be getting restraining orders on anyone who doesnt fit their criteria…..this is so wrong…boy im sure god is proud of them
Autistic people can be VERY VERY DANGEROUS. Churches can have a separate service for them. That's what they do where I work (with austistics). Everyone's happy.
Since when do the rights of one individual outweigh the rights of many? This is political correctness gone mad. This type of "inclusion" is bullshit.
Set him apart from the others in a special place just for him, God loves us all and isn't it a shame that the pastor is so ignorant he can't see this kid is also gods child
My 1 year-old daughter was slapped by an autistic boy while we were standing in line at the grocery store. I was holding her and the boy just turned around and hit her. I yelled at him and the father looked at me in disgust and said "He's autistic!" I told the boy's father that having autism (or any other disability/disease) does NOT give the right to be violent. This statement is also true in the above case. NO ONE should be expected to put with with violence and other bad behaviors.
I have classes at schoole with a few autistic people, and although they have been noisey, and can be a little silly at time, I can see in many of them the same joy I get out of comming to school.
They enjoy the learning process, and I'm sure this boy enjoyed going to church.
Everyone has flaws, some are greater than others, but everyone, at times, is going to be a little out of control.
As oposed to banishing this boy from going to church, they could have spoken with his parents about ways to keep him calm, because there are definetly ways.
The church's behavior is understandable, but not preferable. I think they just need to re think things.
They should make the person that decided this spend a week taking care of this boy…also visit these websites: Autismbites.com (send him some t-shirts), also generationrescue.org
As a mother of an autistic child, this makes me sooooo angry I would find a REAL church to attend~this one is completely hippocritical!
Obviously this boy becomes distressed when going to Church and he is making the experience unpleasant for Church-goers… I feel the Church are justified in their actions, as the health and safety of others is also extremely important.
Special accomodations/arrangements need to be made, in order to make the experience a pleasant one for all — including the child involved.
Sorry Perez….the firt time I DON'T agree with you. At first I was appalled. After reading the ENTIRE article, I AGREE WITH THE PRIEST. Why can't other people pray without being knocked over, peed on, and yelling and screaming going on? It's sad, but wtf? Old ladies have rights, too.
As a mother of an autistic child…people need to sit back and think of how hard it is for the family of this child, and how all they want is to make life as average as possible for everyone. People in general are so incredibly judgemental and cruel. It is truely amazing. I wish this family all the luck. People in that church should pull their heads out of their asses…all there is to it!!!
watch church on tv and no one has to clean up urine or blood from your actions.
case solved.
"to deny this family access to their church and their spiritual salvation is criminal"
Going to church doesn't result in spiritual salvation, dingleberry.
Re: Kev Carlos – Hey Kev Carlos, you are the "fu***** retard!" This is the U.S.A. where freedom to attend church is everyone's right. There are adult diapers for incontinence and there are other ways the parents can restrain their son. By the way idiot, All Autistic people are not retarded. God help your sorry/ignorant a**.
i agree with the church, they have put up with him long enough and lack of accomidation from the church??? they offered to give him a private mass instead of with everyone, they did everything they could and put up with SO much from him before it came to this
being non religious, i say f* the church who needs it ? but having a sister w. CP (cerebral paulsy) & knowing many kids/adults w. similar problems such as autism, etc. i say THAT CHURCH HAS NO RIGHT TO DO THAT. They need to learn more about his problems and be more understanding, arent church people supposed to love everyone equal?
They should add a "cry room" to there sanctuary to solve this problem or the family should take the church up on their offer to hold a private Mass at their house.
Of course all of you are Catholic bashing, as it's totally en vogue, but grow up. The priest has to look out for everyone, period. How would you like it if someone repeatedly peed all over the place at your house? I've read elsewhere that the priest has offered to go to this families home for a private Mass, so who's being uncooperative?
Those blaming the church wholeheartedly and proclaiming their dislike for churches, do you understand how ignorant YOU guys sound? Know the whole story before you start to "condemn" churches.
"This is BS! This is the reason I hate church and priests!" ………………….. Wow. Grow up.
autism pplz shuld die.
I only have one question for these uptight church folks, "What would Jesus do?"….not that.
The fucking retard doesn't get a word of whatever the priest is saying to people during the mass anyway so, keep him home. It's not fair for the rest of the attendants.
Some parents need a fucking life!
I hope that people read the comments made by people that have children with autism. Most of them seem to realize that there are times and places that you just don't take your child. It sounds like this family is trying to create hype for themselves, the oh poor me syndrome, and this site has just bought into it. Churches make all sorts of allowances for people, like broadcasting mass on television, and cry rooms (generally these are meant for people with infants/small children) that are soundproof to the sanctuary, to a private mass. There is no reason to try to make the church out to be the bad guys. This couldn't have been an easy decision for them to make.
Disgusting- to allow Your Child to be so disruptive that You get kicked out of Church! If You can not handle him/her don't go, plain and simple!
To #301, With that mouth You would be kicked out, too!
Bear in mind, there are always two sides to a story. With the information presented, I would say the Church has reason for great concern. A boy of that size can do a good deal of harm to children and the elderly. There are some things that are just not appropriate anywhere, including Church.
Ok They did give them the option to have a private "mass" and i think it's RUDE of his parents to make everybody else in this church suffer because they dont want to go to the private mass….THE church isnt saying he cant go because his "state of mind"…its for the save keeping and well being of the rest of the church members!! I FOR ONE wouldnt wanna be spit on or have somebody PULLING me onto his lap…(witch prob. isnt easy to get up..because HES HUGE!!) LEAVE IT ALONE ..and to his parents JUST TAKE HIM TO THE PRIVATE MASS…no big deal..and everybody is happy! ( well maybe not his parents only because they're trying to get MONEY out of this whole thing)
If he is HURTING other people, he needs to go to a special service. End of story. They offered his family that and they declined! If he was of no threat to others safety, then the church would be in the wrong. BUT, he has HURT people!!!!!!! OLD PEOPLE! CHILDREN!!!! Who pays the medical bills if he pushes down your grandma and she breaks a hip? What if he pushed your 4 year old down and he breaks his nose? Do you want to pay for that? Hell no.
he's not autistic….he's recieved the spirit….halalujah…..its a miracle.
Re: Ebby – he's not autistic….he's recieved the spirit….halalujah…..its a miracle.
I am the mother of a boy with autism. If my son was acting up like that in church, i would have him home serviced. I completely understand the family but as a parent of a special needs child you not only have to fight for your childs rights and safety but, you have to think about those around you. It is sad too say but, the world is not going to adjust for him, he has to adjust to this world. If he is a danger to himself and others then the parents need to quit makeing excuses and take control. My son would be sitting in a corner banging his head on the wall if I would have let him. I pushed him and today, he is a baseball player with many friends and a girlfriend attending private school with out a helper. there is hope for these lost kids if the parents are willing to put in the time and work….NO EXCUSES
Re: Mom of Austistic Son –
We'll take him…. we have a slot at linebacker for a guy like this!!!!
Re: PEREZ - STOP PRETENDING YOU CARE!!! –
DOES'NT ANYONE GET IT?!?!!? THE KID IS ACTING LIKE THAT BECAUSE HE DOESNT WANT TO BE THERE !!!!! NO 13 YEAR OLD WANTS TO BE AT CHURCH…. AND THE PREIST DOESNT WANT HIM THERE EITHER BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE WONT BE ABLE TO FONDLE THIS YOUNG MAN…..THE MOM IS A Re-Re!!!!
Re: J – #351….
slap that muthafuka back!!!!
what happened? did ya experiment with drugs? ever? once in your life? what about your babydaddy/mama? do u regret it now?
ummm yeah….HE PISSED people! i wouldn't let him inside anywhere…especially a church if he is going to take a piss!
I think this is completely justified. If you have a severly autist 13 year old that is as big as most adult men and must be restrained during church on occasion, people should fear for their safety! And no one should really be surprised. It is a catholic church and they will kick you out for not giving enough money!
Hey, at least we can believe in "alien lifeforms" now.
Well, what do you know? Those pro-life Catholics, who wouldn't dare allow a woman to abort a disabled child, reject the child after he's born. That doesn't surprise me. Why didn't the Catholic church see fit to ban the pedophile priests from their midst all those years instead of sweeping their crimes under the rug and allowing so many children to be harmed? Those pedophile priests should have received restraining orders instead of being moved from place to place to molest over and over again. What a crock!
whatever. who cares?
His parents should be responsible for his actions. Autistic or not, everybody is expected to behave within some social norms.
On the other hand , saying ,if you go to church you will get arrested , is just plain hilarious. I understand his mother wants acceptance from comunity. But if it is not church, then it is school, public libary, etc. This is never ending story.
So instead of seeing public acceptance ( FUCK that) his mother should work on his son problems to correct them at max possible.
Re: Polo – nope — cannot agree! There are better ways to profess faith without knocking over elderly parishoners, urinating on folks, scaring young children and the like. Would the parents like for the church goers to sit on their son, if they're busy somewhere else in the church? I think not — have your cake and eat it, too? This boy/man doesn't have rights that supercede those of the churchgoers. Find another way.
Pro-life???? : Point well taken!!!!
We are against abortions but if kids have problems then sue them until end of world. Pls dare to comment on this!
For what I know God is in my soul not in church. I have given up going to curch for many years now, since my son was born and I went to our local church to baptize him ( same religion ) and that church said why your church ( different country ) can not baptize him? They just refused to baptize him just because the same religion but different country. This is ortodox-christian curch. All churches are the same.Facade only not substance.
this disturbs me…my child is also autistic and he is a big boy over 6 ft 250 lbs and if someone told me i couldnt bring him somewhere they would have to arrest me…that is just wrong..people are so ignorant….people just love to pass judgement on others and that sad thing about this whole story is this is a church. God made us the way we are so that child cant help that he is autistic…. shame on that church…
Just because you're one of God's children doesn't mean you have the right to endanger others. It sucks for the kid, and sucks for the family, but non-disabled people have rights too, and they include the right to attend a peaceful, spit-and-urine free mass, free of the fear of being knocked down or hit. If he's that large and uncontrolable, then he doesn't belong at church–for his sake, as well as the safety of others.
This retard should be euthanized let alone banned from church. I'm sure you'd all like to sit next to a 300 lb blubbering psycho when you're trying to take your kids to church loll
Beyond low man.
They would really have abused him if he was at my church First Baptist Church Middlesboro Kentucky. They single out children and put them in the adult men's classroom. Just ask B.B. Reams!! She abuses children by sending them out of her sunday school room and makes them sit with the adults to shame them–girl or boy child.
emm.. i dunno….:S
And thats why folks, organized religion is a COMPLETE FARCE! All they want is your money. How hypocritical of the church, really. Talk to whoever your God is DIRECTLY! And circumvent these ridiculous self proclaimed "Spiritual leaders". Think for yourselves!
Re: #1 – You are so mature.
I have a son who will be five this year and luckily he was diagnosed with autism early. It really bothers me that people are so removed from situations like this, considering the rate of autistic children is rising every year. I don't have the same issues as this family, but I do understand what they deal with on a daily basis. This condition will not get better or be understood more with people having no concern.
Going to a church,EVERYONE IS WELCOME. Whether you are gay, missing a foot, or have any disability, you are WELCOME. I have an autistic child, I have to take things to make him comfortable and not disturb people. If I know he cannot hold his pee, he has a diaper. Don't matter how big the child is FUCK WHOEVER DOESNT THINK HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO GO TO CHURCH! HE HAS JUST AS MUCH RIGHT TO BE THERE AS ANYONE ELSE. If people see that the parents want to instill faith in him they should help them. That is what a community does. No one has a right to tell him he is not allowed in there especially the LANTERMANN ACT, if it stands in hickville.
and julie, kiss my ass too!
All you that are saying he has a "right" to be there… would you say the same thing if he was a 13 year old boy of normal mental capacity? Does having a mental disorder totally excuse this destructive and distracting behavior? People glare even when a newborn cries and we're to suddenly expect that these same people would be tolerant of *this* behavior?!!?
Well i have a brother whos autistic and he is aggressive also and u have to talk to him really perky and nice and agree with wat his saying but if his mom knows his aggressive and the church tells her something she should take him to the psychiatrist they give them pills to calm down , as they do with my brother and he is only given to him when we go out to public places, not all the time but when he seems aggressive its a phase and itll last 2-3 yrs , his autistic and u have let him be in his own world and let him be isolated, its hard to do it but my brohter likes it and she should take caution for other people but it hurts for me to read this article
That's real Christian of them.
Fuck that. I used to have an autistic nephew (his uncle and I are now divorced), and the idea that he wouldn't be able to even worship with his family in church because of something he can't control is 1000% against what Jesus would have done. Sorry, people. If it's "inconvenient" for you to accommodate someone who's different and, I'll admit, probably hard to deal with at times, well that's too fucking bad. You're in church in the first fucking place to worship a man who would have welcomed this person with open arms, no matter how difficult the circumstances were. This is an abomination, and I spit upon it.
Having a child with any type of autism is no fun. My son has a mild case but is also hard to deal with. This is a no win situation for everyone involved. The church understandably wants to protect the parishioners however the parents also want their child to be part of church.
It's sad no matter how you look at it.