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“I think that we’ve proven that both parents are important in the success of a family so, no, I don’t believe in gay adoption."
- Republican presidential hopeful John McCain tells The New York Times
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Posted: July 13, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Re: hotki –
Cut that childish shit out and be an adult.
Don't steal ppls moniker ID's and post B.S. they don't agree w/
Hotki is brave enough to stick to her shit and slither under some rock if ever she "loses" and argument.
Re: lol –
NO IM A MAN. AN ANGRY MAN WHO CANT STAND THE BIGOTRY IN THE SUPPOSED "LAND OF THE FREE". MORE LIKE LAND OF NEO-NAZI CONSERVATIVE LOSERS AND FEAR MONGERING IDIOTS. IM A TRUTH TELLER. GET WITH FACTS OR GET WITH GARBAGE. UR CHOICE.
I LOVE TO MOLEST LITTLE CHILDREN. ALL GAY PEOPLE DO. PLEASE COME JOIN US, STRAIGHT PEOPLE. WHY DON'T YOU JUST PISS IN GOD'S FACE? IT WILL BE FUN.
I WOULD LOVE TO SLIDE MCCAINS DICK IN MY MOUTH! GAYS CAN'T GET ENOUGH SEX, EVER. THAT'S WHY WE'RE SPREADING AIDS EVERYWHERE. WE'RE LIKE ANIMALS.
Oh crap! My dad died when I was 13. Thank you John McCain for pointing out that my siblings and I are messed up people (well, one *is* a lawyer). All along I thought I was doing pretty damn good. I am soooo glad you showed me how wrong I was.
I think it childish of pple to stoop to stealing a person's moniker in order to post something theyknow the person does not agree with. That is so fucken childish and dumb. If you do not agree with someone then state so under your own shit and move on. PPLE that would stoop to that are fear mongering idiots
Hotki, would you please have sex with me? I admire you so much! Please, I really want you to come fuck my brains out. xxoo
I agree.
I don't fully agree with Mcain, however I think he is the best canidate for the President. I believe that there should not be gay marriages. McCain 8008!!
Um. When did "we" prove this?
Re: hotki –
1.) THERE R MORE STRAIGHTS WITH AIDS THAN GAYS 80-20%
2.)MORE STRAIGHTS RAPE KIDS 95-97% RATE
3.) ANIMALS DONT HAVE THE LOGIC HUMANS HAVE, BRAINIAC. THAT JOKE IS NEITHER FUNNY NOR CREATIVE
4.) HATE IS A VIRTUE GODS DETESTS. YET U R FULL OF IT. U SHOULD CHECK UR ASS BEFORE U EVER TALK ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE. GOD DOSENT LIKE UGLY OR LIARS, AND HE SEES EVERYTHING U DO. WATCH YOURSELF.
re: bob
First of all, i'd like to point out that these childrens most probably might become gay, due to the fact that for them it would be everyday normal life at home.
The child would wonder at first, why do all of my friends have two parents of a different sex? Why are my parents both female/male and why isn't it normal?
I'm not saying child adoption by gay people shouldn't happen because of bullies, it shouldn't happen because of the child. Yes, the child, its psychology, as I stated before.
Who would stop doing something because of bullies and racists?
That's not why i'm against adoption by homosexual couples.
I also believe everyone should be free in their sex life, but that's not the point.
Listen Bob, i never ever said that gay people are freaks or abnormal…and i'm not one of those people who would bully children raised by gay people at school…but let's face it, we can't stop the bullies…and unfortunately, there are so many of them…and that will definetely affect a childs well-being, and its confidence aswell as self-esteem.
One question to you Bob, my dear friend, would you like being a child raised by gay parents, bullied all day and emotionally abused?
Well, i don't think so Bob.
Have a great day,
AND…
PEACE.
Re: CULT –
HAHA, WHATS UR EMAIL.
P.S. IM JOKING……………………….OR AM I. GOT SOMIN' TO OFFER. I JUST MIGHJT COME CALLIN.
Re: YeaYe –
GOOD 4 U. PAT ON THE BACK. PAT,PAT,PAT. UR SOOOOOOOOOOOO SMART.
LET GOD CURE YOUR SICKNESS, HEATHENS. AIDS IS A CURSE THAT GOD HAS SET UPON YOU. YOUR ANIMAL WAYS HAS CAUSED IT TO SPREAD TO GODLY PEOPLE. I, hotki, AM A REFORMED HEATHEN GAY. YOU CAN REFORM INTO A GOOD PERSON SO THAT YOU WON'T BURN IN HELL FOREVER. WEST BORO BAPTIST CHURCH WILL BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH ALL YOU NEED. PLEASE STOP SMEARING SHIT ALL OVER YOUR GENITALS AND SEEK GOD NOW!
He's right. Look at the Lohans. Mom, Dad, and perfect, well-adjusted children with no problems at all. Look at the Spears. Britney turned out to be a model human being and just because she had a mom and a dad, not a dad and a dad. Don't we all want our children to grow up to be just like Britney? And Heath Ledger. Look at all the support and love he got from his normal family. And Courtney Love. Now there is a poster child for how well things go as long as a person had both a male and a female to raise them. How can anyone argue with results like that? Obviously, if a woman and man raise a child, it is going to turn out well but if a woman and a woman raise a child, it will sprout horns, shave its head, and plot the destruction of all that is good and wholesome in life.
Re: moon7 –
Right on! I also believe that black people shouldn't be able to marry. They just create 10 kids that all wind up committing crimes. Maybe McCain will be able to stop them from marrying. McCain '08!
If this country is sooooo bad, please leave!!!! Please do what Mr. Baldwin and the others said they would do if George was elected….hmmmm they didn't follow through did they?!?!? Because Dem's have no BALLS!!!!! What happened to being Christians, which this country was founded on ?????? People whine about ohhh they won't let me do this or that. boo hoo. Look at what you do get. Lazy people get to sit on their ass and us pay them for doing nothing because sitting at home is easier and getting a check from the governement. I was a single parent for 11 yrs, I never turned to the governement for a check. You can ALWAYS change your situation if you really want to. There does need to be changes but not becoming more LIBERAL, more CONVERSATIVE will only make this country better.
Re: Donna –
U R SO MISIMFORMED ITS ACTUALLY QUITE APPALLING. 1.) R U FUCKING SERIOUS. A KID WONT TURN GAY DUE 2 THE ENVIORNMENT THEY R IN. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. SEXUALITY IS NOT FLUID LIKE THAT. ITS HARDWIRED IN UR BRAIN. 2.) LIKE I SAID IN A PREVIOUS POST, IF THE GAY PARENT TEACHES THE KID THE RIGHT WAY, THE KID WOULD KNOW THAT ALTHOUGH HIS/HER PARENTS MAY BE DIFFERENT, THEY R STILL LOVING UNCONDITIONALLY. THE FACT THEY R DIFFERENT WOULD BE IRRELEVANT.
3.) A CHILDS PHYSOCOLOGY IS NOT AFFECTED IN ANY WAY BY GAY PARENTS NEGATIVELY, UNLESS THEIR BAD PARENTS. GAY PARENTS DO NOT =BAD PARENTS. BAD PARENTS HURT KIDS NOT GAYS.
4.) IT IS INEXPLICABLE TO SAY THAT B/C OF BULLYING THAT GAYS SHOULDNT HAVE KIDS. THATS LUDICRIS. ITS U AND PEOPLE LIKE U MAKING A BIG DEAL OF SOMETHING THAT IS NOTHING OF THE SORT. ITS LOVE IN THE SAME WAY STRAIGHTS LOVE. ITS PEOPLE LIKE U WHO NEED 2 OPEN UR HEARTS AND GET THE PICTURE. GLBTQ'S SHOULDNT BE PENALIZED B/C PEOPLE R BIGOTS.
hey thumpers, I know GOD doesn't like ugly so why don't adjust posts three thirty one and three fourty one?
It is too bad you use GOD in this way. Christian Facists get on my nerves.
Re: momof – "What happened to being Christians, which this country was founded on ??????"
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Actually, a lot of this country was founded on being a penal colony for Europe. Come from Georgia, by any chance?
No, we haven't proven anything. Bullshit.
Re: Donna –
They wouldn't become gay because their parents are gay. That doesn't make sense. There wouldn't be any gay people if that's how the mind worked.
As for the confusion, the differences would be explained very early on. Kids are smart enough to handle it.
I think I'd prefer to spend my childhood in a loving home and a semi-accepting social setting than spend my childhood in and out of foster homes and orphanages.
Re: hotki –
HOW UTTERLY SAD U R. U HAVE 2 RESORT TO THESE TYPE OF TATICS 2 PROVE A POINT. UR THREATENED BY ME AND U KNOW IM HAVING AN AFFECT ON PEOPLE. SO U CALL ME NAMES, AND THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH, OMG, PLEASE! U R SO FUCKING CLUELESS AND IT SUCKS THAT I LIVE IN A COUNTRY FUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLL OF PEOPLE LIKE U. BUT ONE BY ONE UR BREED IS DYING. SAY HELLO THE THE REAL NEW WORLD ORDER, WHERE BIGOTS ARENT ALLOWED. GET IN IT OR GET GONE.
P.S. AIDS STARTED IN AFRICA. THE FIRST HUMAN OUTSIDE OF AFRICA SAID TO HAVE HAD IT WAS A BELGIAN WOMAN. U CANT CHANGE BEING GAY, UNLESS UR KILLED. OF COURSE, AS THE REAL CHRISTIAN U R, U WOULDNT WANT TO KILL ME, RIGHT?
I fucking hate Obama. And now I fucking hate McCaine. Jesus. Time for me to move to Canada or Down Under.
Re: hotki DID U READ THE SENTENCE BELOW IT. I SAID IT IS MORE OF A BIGOT THING THAN ANYTHING REPUB OR DEM. AND YES, U R A BIGOT IF U AGREE WITH THIS STANCE. DEAL WITH IT. –
Sorry hotki your version of reality just isn't in par with the one that actually exists. If anyone needs to deal with anything, it's you.
You can't agree with free speech, but only if you agree with it.
You can't attack someone for their beliefs, and say you aren't a bigot for doing so because what you believe if "right"
That's having your cake and eat it too.
Again, being tolerant isn't accepting someone's beliefs or lifestyles. Being tolerant is how you TREAT the very people you disagree with.
So if you call someone names just because they disagree with you, that makes you an intolerant bigot as well.
You can't have it both ways. And no, just because you have beliefs that homosexual relationships are not of the norm, doesn't mean you automatically hate anyone or anything.
That's a dishonest projection. Intellectual dishonesty.
I mean you can say that, but anyone that has more than one brain cell will write you off as a kook.
Re: momof –
THIS COUNTRY WAS NOT FOUND CHRISTIAN. NATIVE-AMERICANS WERE THE FIRST HERE, AND 4 THE MOST PART THEY DIDNT BELIEVE IN CHRISTIANITY. THIS IS A SECULAR COUNTRY, A FREE AND LIBERAL COUNTRY. PERIOD. THAT IS THE FACTS. EVEN THOUGH U FUNDAMENTALISTS LOVE 2 TRY TO CONTROL EVERYTHING U TOUCH, PEOPLE ARENT GOING TO BE PLAYED BY UR BULLSHIT GAMES ANYMORE. RELIGIOUS DOGMA IS HEADING OUT, AND I COULNT BE MORE GLAD.
Re: CotW when this old nut gets elected, say good bye to gay marriage, im forcasting another "sorry world" website that will come out, and oh well, america is already in shit, lets just dump another one in office and call it a day. –
Or he is going to let … get this. States decide. How it should be. The Gov should not mandate how every state should decide on this. It should be up to each state. BTW that is his view the last time I heard him speak.
Re: apsif What? And George Bush 2.0 loves this country? –
Anyone that believes this, simply has no clue what John stands for. And is doing the "All Republicans are the same" FUD.
And that is exactly what it is. FUD.
Re: LaShu Perez, you are such a hypocrite. You are supporting a candidate, Obama, who is opposed to gay marriage. Don't be such a damn fool. –
So was a lot of the Democrat Senators. But you never seen Perez or anyone in here that is holding their witch burning sticks while pointing them at McCain attack them.
They act like they don't exist. That it's just a "hate" problem with the "right"
Again more history revisionists and more FUD an intellectual dishonesty.
If someone's rant was so just, they'd not have to revert to such dishonesty.
[re=2555932]Re: Whitney_P ugh what a douche.
good thing he is going to lose by a LANDSLIDE![/re]
Pass whatever you are smoking around. Share with the rest of the class.
I am not saying he is going to win or lose. No one knows this. it's far too close.
But for you to say a landslide, you have to be smoking something.
Old fart is pandering to those nutcases that hate gays. These guys should study a little history and learn that you can only delay a social movement whose time has come, you can't stop it. If "both parents" are important, I guess we should take kids away from single moms and dads.
Re: KevinK –
OK. LET ME PHRASE IT THIS WAY. ME=FACTS THEM=STUPID. THEY R ENTITLED TO SAY THE VERBAL DIARRHEA THAT COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS. IM ENTITLED 2 CALL THEM STUPID, B/C THE FACTS IS THEIR BELIEFS R BASED ON STUPIDITY. IM FACTUAL. THEY R NOT. IM REAL. THEY R LIARS. IM EXPOSING THEM 4 WHO THEY R. ITS NOT EVEN DISAGREEING, IT EXPOSING THE SHIT THE SPEW. AND THE SHIT IS ABOUT TO HIT THE FUCKING FAN. IF U DONT WANT SHIT ON U, STEP OUT OF THE WAY.
p.s. GLBTQ'S RELATIONS R NORMAL. DEAL WITH IT. THEIR IS NO DISAGEEING WITH FACTS. GET WITH THE TIMES AND FACTS OR GET RUN OVEN BY THE BUS.
re: hotki
First of all, i do not believe this is an argument, i'm a 13 year old girl myself, and as a child i know i wouldn't feel well, and so would my friends. This is a kid talking to you. That's my fact, you don't seem to have one though, no evidence or explanation supporting your reply. Just, theories.
And i have no reason to be conservative, and i'm not…If you really believe this is an argument you are mistaken though.
What I stated before was an opinion, please do learn to recognize the difference between opinion and argument.
Listen hotki i never said gay people where abnormal! Could you please atleast understand what i'm saying before writing another useless comment? Thank you. Much appreciated. I never meant to offend any person who is homosexual, what i wanted to say was, but you obviously didn't understand, is that the child will not have a normal life. And i did NOT say that a child would definetely have a normal life with two different sex parents.
[re=2555897]Re: hotki
p.s. BEING GAY IS NOT A DISEASE. BEING A HOMOPHOBE IS. GET HELP.[/re]
Actually no one knows what causes homosexuality. And just because someone is against homosexual relationships doesn't make them homophobic.
In order to be homophobic there has to be a phobia involved. An actual fear. This is not the case with everyone who thinks homosexuality is wrong.
Saying otherwise is simply being dishonest. And again if your rant is so just, you shouldn't have to revert to such things.
re: hotki
Personally i would probably feel depressed, i would feel abnormal and strange because all the other children would have such a different upbringing from me.
Even though you might think that's not what would happen, it would, because children are young and get affected by other peoples point of views, don't be selfish, it's not about you, after all they want that child happy, why adopt it and give it a life struck upon misery?
The point of views by would stigmatize the child in all it’s life…
I do agree that gay people would love a child and raise it even better than any different sex couple, but that's not the point.
Yes, i agree that there are no more or less chances of psychological problems, but there ARE psychological problems, in most cases.
I would personally feel very uncomfortable if lets say i was a 13 year old boy and i was adopted by two complete strangers, two men. And i would be afraid, of child molestation, and you can't trust anybody in this world anyway. You can't even trust those close to you. I'm not saying they'd definetely abuse me, but, this life is full of atrociousness…so you can never know for sure.
John McCain is pure evil. America… as a concerned Canadian… please don't vote this bastard in.
Re: momof –
This country wasn't founded on Christianity. It was founded on religious freedom. You know, the freedom from prosecution for your beliefs.
Christianity has been perverted to convince people to follow the will of politicians. That is why religion and state should always be separate. There's a reason why there was originally no mention of God on the money, motto, or pledge of allegiance.
Ok so lets try this. There are gays in the military treated like dogs while defending this ocuntry. There are gays that conribute to society everyday in every way. Gays save tehir money for years to get any operation they want to express on the outside what they feel on the inside. Gays are now hot commodities that automatically bring the value of a neighborhood up. With that said when will gays stop being prosecuted for their sexuality. They contribute more to society than what society gives them. Gays can't wait for tomorrow to receive equality NOW is the time TODAY RIGHT NOW that they should be treated with respect regardless of their orientation. With all the love that gays have in their hearts to give even after being kicked in the teeth in society time after time , gays have empathy and possess the capacity to love and nurture just like anyone else.
With that said, those w/ issues are the true biggots.
Dear Bob,
Once again…I never had a doubt if we, are smart. I'm a 13 year old girl and i know for sure that we aren't stupid. But the human does get hurt by what people say.
It's only normal, especially if it begins from a tender age. Let's face it, nobody would like being called names at school, and "oh, you're parents are gay" because that would stigmatize a childs life forever…
That's all i've got to add…
[re=2555368]Re: hotki
1.) FAGS=CIGARETTES 2.) HOMOSEXUALITY IS PRODUCED IN NATURE, THEREFORE IT IS NATURAL. PERIOD 3.) WHAT GAYS DO IS NO MORE OR LESS BAD AS WHAT MANY, MANY DISGUSTING STRAIGHTS DO. 4.) THE BIGGEST HOMOPHOBES R GAY THEMSELVES[/re]
I agree with #1 and #3.
#2 Is silly. When people are referring to natural, they are not referring to "happening in nature" But more "in conformity with the ordinary course of nature;"
Not that just because something happens in nature, suddenly makes it right either. That's absurd. For example, some animals eat and kill their young.
Are you saying that such practices are normal for humans to partake in just because it also happens in nature?
When you have to revert to comparing the actions of wild animals, to that of man, you've already lost.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS HIS MIND AND IS NOT AFRAID OF WHAT EVERYONE WILL THINK OF HIM. IT IS A PROVEN FACT THAT SAME SEX MARRIAGES DO ENCOURAGE THE CHILDREN TO BE THE SAME WAY. EXACTLY HE HAS A GAY DAUGHTER AND STILL FEELS THIS WAY! MAN GOT BALLS, OBAMA IS A GAY LIAR! MC CAIN 08 BABY!
Re: Donna –
IM SORRY IF I OFFENDED U. AND I AM GLAD U ARENT HOMOPHOBIC OR WHATEVER. BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE 4 U IS? IS THE ”REGULAR” THING ALWAYS GOOD. NO. SOMETIMES U HAVE 2 GO AGAINST THE GRAIN. SOMETIME THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE R UNEXPECTED. PEOPLE (AND IM NOT SAYING U) R GOIN TO HAVE 2 GET OVER THEIR BIGOTRY AND FEAR. GAYS ARNET GOING AWAY. THEY DESREVE RIGHTS. KIDS DESEREVE HOMES. SOMETIME THE NORMAL ISNT THE RIGHT WAY.
p.s. THEY WILL HAVE A NORMAL LIFE. GAYS DONT DO ANYTHING STRAIGHTS DONT DO. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS SEX. THATS IT. THE LOVE IS THE SAME. THE LOVE AND BOND THEY MAKE WITH THEIR KID IS NORMAL. GAYS LIVE NORMAL LIVES.
Re: hotki OK. LET ME PHRASE IT THIS WAY. –
You basically yelled (using all caps - yelling) the same wrong tripe as you did before.
No matter how much you repeat it, it wont be true.
You are being the very people you hate.
Seriously, you people need to calm down. He is RIGHT. It is not normal to be raised by 2 people of the same sex. Children do NEED a mother and a father. In this time though it is difficult to have that. I am a single mom and my son has suffered b/c of his loser ass father, BUT he does have my uncle who he can look up to and he does. I would NOT want to be raised by a gay couple, sorry. Think of the kids here! Think of what their life will be like. I'm not against being gay but I have some gay friends and I know what they have to deal with daily because of being gay. Don't you realize that will be a direct effect on the kids they are raising they will also have to deal with the ridicule, especially at school.
Also, I have a friend who was in a gay relationship with a guy. They were together for 5 years, the drama that had was insane. I have never ever seen a girl/guy couple fight like them. They both acted like bitches and when they finally broke up it didn't stop there. They trashed each other as much as possible. I have seen this with many other gay couples, not just them. I don't know just don't believe that is a good environment to raise a child in.
BTW those with their capslock key stuck. CUT IT OUT. In internet speak it's telling people you are yelling. Meaning your posts are all one big screaming verbal masturbation.
If you think it's making people read your posts, or get you attraction, it doesn't. Most people ignore ALL CAP POSTS. And discard them as newbs and people with no common sense.
Re: GO MC –
McCain's daughter is NOT GAY DUMMY!
Lets go over this one more time as well.
1. Not everyone that is against homosexual relationships morally HATE gays. As a matter of fact, most don't. Just like someone against adultery doesn't hate heterosexuals. Saying otherwise is dishonest. It's a pathetic, and desperate attempt to paint anyone that thinks differently than you as being some sort of hate filled monster. That's dishonest.
2. You can be against homosexual relations while still being pro-gay marriage.
3. Not all Republicans are against gay marriage. Not all Democrats are for it. It's not a one party thing as some of you are acting like.
4. When you attack people with hate and vitriol and project that hate onto them, you are being just as bad as the people you claim to hate.
You can't say "I'm a tolerant person" while calling those that has moral beliefs that go against homosexual relations names. That makes you a hypocrite.
It's time for all of us to be more tolerant. And by that I don't mean accepting everyone's views. Tolerance is how you treat the very people you disagree with. Not how you treat those that think just like you.
Re: KevinK –
HOMOPHOBIA=IRRATIONAL AVERSION OR FEAR OF GAYS. THEIR IS NOTHING RATIONAL IN MANY OF THESE PEOPLES BELIEFS. ITS JUST: I DONT LIKE THEM THEY R CREEPY, THEY DONT DESERVE KIDS, THE ALL HAVE AIDS. TO MAKE ILLOGICAL STATEMENTS LIKE THAT IS IRRATIONAL. ALSO, NOTICE I PUT AVERSION OVER FEAR. AN AVERSION OR MISUNDERSTANDING OF SOMETHING CAN CAUSE FEAR, WHICH MOST POSTERS HERE SHOW. THAT IS HOMOPHOBIA! THEIR IS NO REAL REASON TO BE AGAINST GAYS. TO SAY NO-ONE KNOWS WHAT CAUSES PEOPLE 2 BE GAY IS SOOOOOOO WRONG. PRETTY MUCH ALL THE FACTS SHOW ITS ESSENTIALLY A MENTAL MAKEUP THING. ITS HOW UR BRAIN WORKS. ONE BRAIN IS GAY, ONE IS STRAIGHT. ITS NOT A CHOICE. THER IS NO DEBATE HERE. NO LOGICAL PESON BELIEVES IT IS A CHOICE, IF U DO THAT IS IRRATIONAL AND ILLOGICAL. WHICH LEADS TO HOMOPHOBIA.
Re: hotki HE BEST THINGS IN LIFE R UNEXPECTED. PEOPLE (AND IM NOT SAYING U) R GOIN TO HAVE 2 GET OVER THEIR BIGOTRY AND FEAR. GAYS ARNET GOING AWAY. –
You first. Not everyone that believes homosexual relationships is immoral have to do with fear or bigotry.
You are actually being a bigot by saying as much. You realize that right?
sry. i think i just threw up a bit.
um if go repub, i'm moving to Canada for 4 years.
…at least that way i can suck cock without being criticized.
re: hotki
I'm not quarreling with you, just one thing:
How would you feel?
You still haven't answered though, if you were raised by homosexual parents, would you be happy about it?
My friend i'm not trying to become annoying, i am just a 13 year old Greek American girl who finds it, scary..
I know gay people might be lovely, i know some homosexual people my self, friends of my parents, and i don't put them in a specific category, i know they could definetely raise a child. But what about all the other homosexuals?
I know what you're going to tell me…some straight people could not raise a child either, well, most of straight people.
I completely agree, but it just frightens me, and the children of today.
Please trust me, i know my friends opinions its not only my stupid little theories.
He's absolutely right!
[re=2556405]Re: hotkiHOMOPHOBIA=IRRATIONAL AVERSION OR FEAR OF GAYS. THEIR IS NOTHING RATIONAL IN MANY OF THESE PEOPLES BELIEFS.
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To you there is not. That doesn't mean that their beliefs aren't based on rational thought. I assure you it is. Again by projecting hate and fear into these people's beliefs makes you just as big of a bigot as those you claim you dislike.
You are being the very person you claim to hate.
Being a bigot is just being intolerant to those you disagree with. And being intolerant is just treating those you disagree with with contempt.
Calling these people names like "homophobic" or saying they are full of "hate" is being a bigot.
Again, there are people that think adultery is wrong. Does that make them bigots? Does that make they heterophobes? Of course not. That would be silly.
Re: Donna –
If that's the case, your parents raised you that way.
Once you have love in your home and security, you fight tooth and nail for your parents b/c you have been raised to accept love in any form. I should know I am 18 and have TWO MOMS that Love me and cherish me with all their hearts. My dad left us after cheating for years on my mom and for years my mom stayed alone until she met my other mom who loved her for her. They have ben together since I was 9 and still going strong. Yes, pple found it strange i had two mommies and yes I was bullied but you know what, everytime I came home to my parents and spoke to them about everything they have made me stronger
Re: Mel –
Like I said before, it is not fair, lawful or correct to penalize someone 4 someone elses bigotry. Its not right. Straight couples are probably more dsfyunctional than gays. To use on bad story and say all gays might be like this is unreasonable. Straight couples kill each other over petty shit. So dont come off saying they r any better. And how the fuck can u say kid need this and that unless u have seen gay relationship with a child. Ur going 2 have to open ur mind up and get out of that insecurity complex u r holding. Its not helping anyone, and u sound a little naive and ignorant to me.
BTW as far as "change" goes
narth.com/docs/spitzer3.html
Historic Gay Advocate Now Believes Change is Possible
Dr. Spitzer is best recognized in psychiatric history for his scientific role in 1973–he led the team that investigated whether homosexuality should be removed from the psychiatric manual. He drew bitter criticism during that historic event from psychoanalysts who sought to retain homosexuality among the list of disorders. Since then, Dr. Spitzer had been convinced that sexual orientation is unchangeable.
"Like most psychiatrists," says Dr. Spitzer, "I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted–but that no one could really change their sexual orientation. I now believe that's untrue–some people can and do change."
Contrary to conventioned wisdom," Spitzer concluded, "some highly motivated individuals, using a variety of change efforts, can make substantial change in multiple indicators of sexual orientation, and achieve good heterosexual functioning."
Dr. Spitzer agreed that this study should not be used to justify coercion. Nor should it be used as an argument for the denial of civil rights. "But patients should have the right," Spitzer stated, "to explore their heterosexual potential."
And I agree with the last part. This is a great step for homosexuals that don't feel comfortable or happy being homosexuals.
Re: KevinK –
1.) I agree with u that I need to calm down a little, maybe being a little hypocritical
HOWEVER…………………………
2.) HOW IS ANYTHING THEY R SAYING RATIONAL. Give me 3 reason how this is rational. This smacks of fear-mongering to me. And deep rooted and bigoted attitudes that gays r irresponsible, therioes that have been proven wrong.
BTW nevermind hotki. You aren't listening to a THING anyone is saying. And you are just repeating the same lies over and over and over again. There is no debating with you. No rational.
You'll continue to believe what you want, regardless of what the truth is. And regardless how much of a hypocrite you look like.
And that saddens me.
Treating ANYONE badly is bad. No matter who they prefer to have sex with.
What an asshole
Re: hotki Like Ur going 2 have to open ur mind up and get out of that insecurity complex u r holding. Its not helping anyone, and u sound a little naive and ignorant to me. –
Actually you are the one coming off this way hotki Not the person you responded to. You are basically saying "Unless you think like me, you are closed minded, and have insecurity complexes."
We aren't the ones attacking those that think differently than we do. We aren't the ones acting as if they are in the defensive.
Maybe your insecurity slip is showing? I have nothing to be insecure about…
I am a single mom, and if one mommy can do it then two mommies would even be better, or two daddies.
Re: hotki – you pathetic piece of shit and I am happy that I am not a hypocrite lying sack of shit like you convincing that you are "reformed " hey asshole do me a favor and the whole world please commit suicide you pathetic fuck and heaven and hell together with your imaginary asshole god are all a part of your delusions ,you and your kind are all pathetic god fearing delusional assholes . Deal with it .
Re: DonnaBardinogianni –
If they loved me, yes. YES. YES. Love isnt different or scary. Its beautiful. And if a loving gay couple could provide that 4 a child, that would be the best thing ever 4 a kid who hasnt felt that before. No matter what sexual orientation they r.
And BTW, when you said that we are going to have to get used to it, homosexuals aren't going away (Not that anyone said they were… that would be silly)
You also are going to have to get used to the fact that not everyone has the same moral belief system as you do. And these people aren't going away.
So you should treat them BOTH equally and not project hate on either side.
And BTW, most people aren't against homosexuals having EQUAL RIGHTS. Most people are for civil unions that give that.
They just don't think that a word needs a definition change. Because that's forcing your beliefs on others and being a bigot as well.
Re: GFY –
THAT IS NOT ME. ITS A TROLL. IGNORE THE FOOL, IT WILL GO AWAY.
Re: hotki 2.) HOW IS ANYTHING THEY R SAYING RATIONAL. Give me 3 reason how this is rational. This smacks of fear-mongering to me. And deep rooted and bigoted attitudes that gays r irresponsible, therioes that have been proven wrong. –
Who are these they? I am not responsible for what other people says. I am speaking about MYSELF. And you lumped EVERYONE that believes homosexual sex = wrong together. I am telling you that simply isn't the case. And there is very valid reasons why someone would believe such a thing without hate or fear being involved.
Just because you don't understand why (open mind here) doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
We are the ones being closed minded here.
Re: hotki – you are a sad piece of shit . People like you should be killed before you spread more ignorance and bigotry . People like you are the reason why this world is fucked up. All your posts shows you are nothing but a worthless individual a good for nothing son of a bitch ,we can thank your worthless parents for raising you so fucked up . All your family should be executed because I bet they are all bigots like you .
Re: GFY said a bunch of hateful stuff. –
:( Why do we need to be so hostile? Can we not talk as adults?
Hence why the world is filled with Priests and Nuns molesting children. people By denying their "procreation responsabilities" sexually repressed adults molest children in the CHURCH EVERYDAY yet pple still blindly allow religious orphanges to take in the unwanted.
It amazes me how people throw up the Bible but refuse to recognize the perversions of certain Christians. For the record I read posts threethirty one and three fourty one and I'm shocked at the defeaning silence from the Christian community. I think those questions are valid so what's good for the goos is god for the gander. Answer the damn questions.
Re: hotki – You know nothing about me or my situation. I didn't say straight couples were any better. I'm saying you have to think of the kids and the situation they would be put in. My children come before anything or anyone and my goal in life is to protect them. I'm NOT against gays, I have many gay friends who also agree with me. Who is going to teach their daughter about getting their period, helping them with relationships. Having mother daughter days. Who is going to teach their son about sports, hunting, things that fathers teach them.
I have a right to my opinion just like you do, we have different views on the issue.
If 2 men or 2 women were meant to procreate together then it would be possible, but it isn't.
KevinK, I am sorry that I was so hostile. It's just that I get flustered when I talk to someone I like. I REALLY like you. Would you like to talk to me some more? Maybe we can trade nude pics, sugar.
And this whole "If you don't believe like I do then you are a bigot and full of hate, and probably a homosexual!" type comments are ONLY MADE to try to scare people into thinking like you do. "OMG I don't want to be filled with hate.."
Not that actually anyone falls for it. It's as transparent as the morning dew.
Now having said that does it mean that anyone that is venomously against gays not gay themselves? Of course not. They could very well be closeted homosexuals. But to say that this is the NORM, well that's a lie.
You aren't going to win anyone over by spreading lies and calling them names.
On either side.
Re: KevinK –
I was trying to reason with u. Wat do u believe r the facts. I know what they r. I think the first option should be a straight mom and dad home. i agree to that extent. But the facts r, they arent the ones adopting. Gays and especially LESBIANS are the ones stepping up to the plate. It is not reasonable to deny them the oppurtunity. And its not reasonable to deny a kid a chance of have a STABLE family that loves them. And many GLBTQ's r able to build a great family structure. That is the truth. They ARE PERFECTLY ABLE to have kids. Like I said, I agree that the first option would probably be a ”regular” straight family, mostly to prevent abuse from others. But if that fails, the best option is definetely gay-adoption.
I def. enjoy talking 2 u. U seem to be quite smart, which is rare these days. Have a good day.
KEVIN K … S*T*F*U. You're as booooring as Perez on a good day. Get your own blog or take your Ritalin.
Re: Perma –
You make good points. I have issues with Catholic dogma as well. Having said that Christianity does not - Catholicism. Catholicism is just a form of Christianity. Most Christians in the US aren't even Catholic. And I agree, the "church" needs to take responsibilities for their actions.
No one on this earth is better than anyone else. Gay or straight. We all mess up. We all do wrong.
Re: hotki KevinK, I am sorry that I was so hostile. It's just that I get flustered when I talk to someone I like. I REALLY like you. Would you like to talk to me some more? Maybe we can trade nude pics, sugar. –
Sorry sugar-tits. You aren't my type. You simply don't make my anus tingle.
Re: KevinK –
NO, that is the law finally taking the correct steps to change this country to make it truly free 4 everyone. It is unconstitutional to discriminate against gays in most states. Not allowing gay marriage is therefore unconstitutional. PERIOD. Marriage was not even a religious act until way after the institute was practiced. To get married u have to go through the law and to get divorced u have 2 go through the law. It is much more lawful than religious, and the law in most states is against discrimination against someone 4 their sexual orientation. So there 4 gay marriage should be legal. That is the facts. Things change. Traditions change. Society changes. Homosexual bans on gay marriage will change 2. Because at the end of the day, equality wins out.
Re: STFU KEVIN K … S*T*F*U. You're as booooring as Perez on a good day. Get your own blog or take your Ritalin. –
Must have hit pretty close to the mark to get someone all riled up like that.
Re: KAROL – hey Karol shut the fuck up you dumb ignorant cunt !!!!
the" man" that was pregnant has a uterus so that means he is a she you pathetic cunt
and you are an example of a douche bag ignorant hetero who should never ever have any children because your head is so far up your ass that's why you can't think right .
You are nothing but a narrow minded piece of shit just like the rest of the followers of this old and tired self righteous asshole Mc Cain .
Re: hotki –
HMMMMMMM, wonder who could be stealing in im name again??????????
And, why do I not care.
Re: hotki NO, that is the law finally taking the correct steps to change this country to make it truly free 4 everyone. It is unconstitutional to discriminate against gays in most states. Not allowing gay marriage is therefore unconstitutional. PERIOD. Marriage was not even a religious act until way after the institute was practiced. To get married u have to go through the law and to get divorced u have 2 go through the law. It is much more lawful than religious, and the law in most states is against discrimination against someone 4 their sexual orientation. So there 4 gay marriage should be legal. That is the facts. Things change. Traditions change. Society changes. Homosexual bans on gay marriage will change 2. Because at the end of the day, equality wins out. –
#1 I never said I was against gays getting equal treatment.
#2 Under your rational, anyone should be able to get married no matter what. Meaning if someone was born loving little younger kids then they should be able to! It's constitutional! But no, we have moral laws that say that's wrong. So It's not the same.
I am ALL for gays getting equal rights. I think the Gov should STOP recognizing marriages and only recognize civil unions. And anyone that wants the Gov to recognize your coupling will have to get a civil union. If someone for religious reasons want to also get married, that is up to them.
This way, everyone gets treated equally.
Do assume what I believe so quickly.
WTH??? doesn't it take 2 people to be in a relationship? What a moron! I swear if this man wins the election I'm moving to Canada?
Re: KevinK –
Let me stick a vibrator up there. You'll see Jesus.
Re: Stink – actually ignorant heteros like you are nasty ,beyond nasty
in fact you people are repulsive and dumb you know why because if you haven't seen how many hetero skanks in a bukkake video eat assholes in a row then you are more stupid that I thought you already are ,try to watch a porn with skanks and you will see that they talke 2 dicks in their asses at once 2 in their nasty vagina and 3 in their mouth ,oh yeah gays are nasty hahahahhahahahaha meanwhile ignorant heteros like you are into more fucked up shit like fucking a dead body .Open your eyes you pathetic fuck ignorant people like you are the lowest form of human being
except it is so hard for assholes like you to admit it .
So i guess he's against single parent adoptions then, and wouldn't a gay couple constitute 2 parents? what a dumbass!
Re: KevinK –
ABSOUTELY NONE of the respectable (and this man is not respectable in any way shape or form, he is essentially black-listed in all fields) agree with this man. Reparitive therapy is HARMFUL. Its not even possible, u cant change ur inner sexual-orientation, the only thing u can do is repress it, which is un-healthy. Most cases show severe depression, unnatural sexual urges(essentially u fuck up ur brain sexual functions and make them go haywire) and in close to 50% of cases SUICIDE. NO ONE good advocates this. You cant fix what is not broken. Being gay is not a defect or flaw or mistake, its who u r and their is nothing wrong with it. U can try, but a leopard at the day cant change its spots.
Re: freak – and if you only get your head out of your ass ,then you can think right but then again years of using meth have ruined your tiny brain you pathetic piece of shit DIE YOU FUCKING FREAK and learn to spell you illiterate douche bag
Re: hotki –
How dare you! I am a reformed gay! Please stop spreading the devil's lies about this wonderful service. I haven't had a single gay thought since my exorcism and now I'm happily married.
Praise God for saving me from sin!
Re: Mel –
THAT last statement told me all i needed to know. SO, how about sterile man or infertile mom. OR, old people who cant have kid anymore. Maybe someone in a car accident and lost their ability to concieve. Should they also not have kids. That is def. a fear-complex to me. DEFINETLY. U r scared that a gay-family with kids could be bad ONLY b/c they r gay. That is fear. That is insecurity.
Re: hotki –
Many gay people do not function well in society. A large percentage of people that are gay(mostly men) a freaks!! My father works at fire island in New York. There are some places there that are solely gay. He has told me many stories about what he has witnessed there. Are these things normal to you? A man in just chaps walking the public streets with a dog leash attached to another male who is naked. Another male running naked with a hat with a propeller on it while another man chasing him. A man tied up naked to a tree with a sign say for anyone that wants me. Sex acts being performed on the beach. Is this behavior what you would call normal? Sorry, but not normal to me. It is not natural to be gay. I am sorry that it offends you. I don't mean to hurt your feelings. I know that gay people deal with ridicule and I do not agree with that, but it is not that I am ignorant. You are in denial. I never said that it was a choice, but it is a defect. I know that sounds harsh, but it is true.
Re: KevinK –
Comparing a CONSENTUAL NORMAL RELATIONSHIP WITH PEDOPHILIA IS BULLSHIT. Pedophilia=bad. Do u have a logical reason to say GLBTQ'S=bad 4 society. Other than that I guess I agree.
If this man becomes President, I will lose all faith in our country and the intelligence of its people.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. It may not be right, but they have their right. I have had trouble with this issue as well. I am a Republican but I do believe that a child needs to be in a loving home.If a gay couple wants to take on the responsiblity of this and they will give 100% to the rearing of a child who does not have a home or comes from a broken family/history…I do think they have that right. Who are we to say that they are not "fit". It is heartbreaking to hear of children who want a loving home and cannot find one. I am a McCain supporter and he has my vote…comapred to Obama's history and experience, I have made my choice. Obama is not fit to be the next president of the United States.Do your homework and research Obama.
Re: Mark –
Im guessing u were bi-sexual from the jump. The facts r the facts. U cant change ur brain, it is what is. Whatever u do is whatever 2 me, but when YOU start spreading lies I AM going to catch u.
Re: KevinK – so why are you so fucked up then ??? who raised you then ? both your parents are worthless pieces of shit or were they divorced and let you all alone or maybe you just came out of a sewer ,no one really raised you ,you just reappeared out of nowhere ,you look like a douche bag you sound like a douche bag it all makes sense !!!! and of course you act like you know everything just like a typical self righteous asshole like Mc Cain .
Re: hotki – Omg you just want to argue….My last statement means that It takes a man and a woman to produce a child. I said nothing about women who can't conceive. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Re: Jill –
The overly flamboyant, sex crazed ones are actually in the loud minority. A lot of gays live normal 9 to 5 lives with the only difference being that they're gay.
McCain Rules! Get used to it…he's gonna be your president for the next four years you tree huggin', pot smokin' liberals! HA!
And seriously, I don't think homos should be allowed to marry or adopt either.
Re: Jill –
Im not sad or sorry. Instead of believing what ur dad says, look at the facts. If gays werent natural, they would have been purged out of nature by now. The fact they arent shows all of us that IT IS natural. PERIOD. How in the world does someones clothes make them bad, or not normal. PLEASE. Are there dsfyunctional gays: YES. Are ther dsfynuctional straights: YES. Fire Island has beaches that r restricted 4 people who have sex. STRAIGHT OR GAY. So that is why they have sex there. Do I agree to that, it dosent matter its lawful and its their beach. Straights do some crazy SHIT during Mardi Gra and Spring Break, both basically straight parties. More arrests, losts of sex ON THE STREET, drunken fights and abusive behavior. If u say gays arent normal on the LAWFUL actions of a few, I could say the same thing about straights. STOP BEING HYPOCRITICAL.
Re: Jill – yes you an ignorant person ,deal with it other people's fetish is none of your concern you pathetic piece of shit and what the fuck is your father doing at fire Island ???? hahahahaha that place is practically owned almost by the wealthy gays I have a friend that has a beach house there and yes we all go swimming naked ,so what? we are adults and we can very well do whatever the fuck we want.what is not normal is your douche bag father running around in Fire island and him raising you so fucking ignorant !!!!! A word of advice to you skank ,don't ever have children because they will just end up tragic like you ,a tragic mess of a human being ,closed minded assholes which this world does not need more .