Believers for Barack????
Filed under: Barack Obama > John McCain
In a bid to appeal to religious voters before McCain snaps them up, the Obama campaign is about to launch a new line of "faith merchandise."
No joke!
The line includes buttons, bumper stickers, and signs with such rallying slogans as "Believers for Barack," "Pro-Family Pro-Obama," and "Catholics for Obama."
The merchandise is intended to be inclusive of all backgrounds of faith, with more specifically-targeted items to be coming soon, such as "Clergy for Change" and "Pro-Israel Pro-Obama."
In the meantime, Obama Deputy Director of Religious Affairs Paul Monteiro said he wanted to get the broader products out "wthout delay." And with good reason too!
The Catholic vote has traditionally selected the winning presidential campaign every race since 1976, with the exception of Al Gore's 2000 White House bid, so both campaigns have been vying aggressively for it.
What do you think of Barack's attempt to lure the faith vote????
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Re: Renee26 – well stated…
Re: sparkys nemesis – I am missing you "perez for prez" slogan reply to every even mildly political article here
Keep grasping for straws Barack. He must be getting high again if he thinks that Catholics are going to support him. Note to those that claim to be Pro-Life Catholics: You may want to check your Catechism (example, 2271: Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law), you are going against the teachings of the Catholic Church if you are supporting abortion, which would mean you would be non-practicing Catholics.
Re: Cat223 – WHAT? That made no sense. None.
Re: YepIsaidit – OMG! Y'all are reading WAY TOO much into this. I just stated that the church WILL NOT back a canidate that is such a firm believer in Pro Choice. Never once did I give my effin opinion. I am a Catholic ok? I would NEVER ABORT A BABY but I feel that IT IS A WOMANS CHOICE. I would NEVER condone a woman who has made that choice. You people kill me. This was about a canidate getting the support of the Church (Roman Catholic). The Church is VERY CLEAR on their stand about abortion. THEY WILL NOT SUPPORT A CANIDATE THAT USES PRO CHOICE ON THEIR PLATFORM. That is all I was saying!
Re: PinkyTuscadero – Post 45
This is the same argument Nancy Pelosi tried on Meet The Press a few weeks ago and it backfired. The church has never been divided. Maybe the parishioners are divided but the church has always been quite clear. Anyone who say's anything different is wrong.
Re: _Alice_ – I hear you. I am at a loss to explain it. I hope one of the moderators asks this question in one of the debates, because I want an answer. It's shameful!
BARACK OBAMA IS A CHRISTIAN BAPTIST WHO HAS EVERY RIGHT TO REACH OUT TO RELIGOUS VOTERS IF HE WANTS TO SO AGAIN FUCK OFF HATERS AND GO SUCK A DICK!!! JUST CUZ HE'S NOT ONE OF THOSE BIBLE THUMPING, FAINTING FREAK EXTREMISTS (WHO BASICALLY BOMB ABORTION CLINICS AND ARE NO BETTER THAN TERRORISTS THEMSELVES) DOES NOT MEAN HE CAN'T HAVE A RELGOUS VOTER BASE! SO THERE!
Re: MacMomma – I think that there are two different "pro-choice" types. I think some ppl that are pro-choice believe that a woman should have the right to have an abortion, but they would never have one themselves, so they still are within religious boundaries. and there are other pro-choice ppl who would have an abortion themselves, and think other women should have the right as well.
Re: Angieinar – Oh please. Why do you need to get so angry. It's funny. Can't you even laugh about the fact that Obama totes a teleprompter everywhere? Or are you the typical "angry Democrat"?
Disingenuous.
I think he's a fucking idiot. I think he's dead in the water. What a blatant futile grasp at what will never be his. Catolics are Pro Life NOT Pro Choice. This guy's a fucking idiot!
TO THOSE OF U WHO JUDGE WOMEN THAT HAVE ABORTIONS, KNOW THIS. TAKING AWAY SOMEONE'S "FREE WILL" DOES NOT MAKE THEM SUDDENLY RIGHTEOUS. AND PEOPLE WILL GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO HAVE ABORTIONS IF NEED BE SO U CAN'T STOP IT AND DON'T TRY. UR WASTING UR TIME AND BREATH. WHENEVER U TRY TO FORCE PEOPLE TO DO THINGS AGAINST THEIR WILL THEY ALWAYS REBEL. IT'S HUMAN NATURE.
This is the one main issue that is keeping me from committing my vote to Obama. But I really don't like McCain or Palin. Maybe I'll just vote for Nader and rid myself of the headache!
During the Kennedy's presidential campaign Republicans' heavily used fear tactics regarding Kennedy being a Catholic and they claimed that Kennedy would actively work to convert the US to a become a Catholic Nation. They also claimed that he would name the Pope as an official advisor in national affairs.
Sounds familiar?! Republican's used these fear tactics against Kennedy nearly 50 years ago and now they are trying to do the same regarding Obama and stating that he is a Muslim. The Republican party is full of Evangelicals that don't even include Catholics as Christians
And no you have a lot of Evangelicals and Christian conservatives on here claiming to be Catholics just to state that they would never support Obama. Well good. Intolerance, hate and ignorance are small town Conservative Christian values and you can continue that way. But people who truly follow Christ and don't act as if they talk for Christ won't be blinded. .
Re: Smirks – Wasn't aware I was angry but hey! Thanks for the heads up.
Re: Naughty_Baby_Harley – Again with the hypocrisy. The Republican's claim to represent Religious conservatives and pander to them all the time. Maybe you shouldn't trust yourself you hypocrite.
Re: LS – I love your comment!
A month or so ago, I made the comment that I had a FORCED abortion, since I was raped by my 'father' (it wasn't until about 15 years later did I learn that he was NOT my natural father…but, rather my STEPfather). I just couldn't believe a few of the responses to me. How I 'should have had the baby, and lived with it' or 'gone through the entire 9 months, gone through childbirth and given the baby up for adoption'…never mind that I had just started my teen-aged years, when it happened.
Makes me wonder how some peoples' minds work.
I personally don't care about someones body or what they do with it, but when its a baby I care about the baby especially babies that have sluts for moms who are gonna flush it.
Re: Cat223 – You truly are an asshole!
Re: Renee26 – I AGREE WITH ALL YOUR COMMENTS!
Re: Smirks – post 108- Yeah, it bugs me. My hubby too. He's a vet who is injured and has had a hell of time getting anything from the VA. Disgusting. They are so backlogged and so short on money, that I can't understand why any politician would deny money to them. Send them to do our bidding yet we don't care when they come home with effed up bodies and brains! It's a damn shame.
And I agree, I hope someone grills him about that. Oh man, these debates are going to be so good. And you know, I'll be thinking of you when they happen!
Re: Arshe – And how many unwanted babies have you adopted?
I hope he gets it!
John McCain opposed the GI Bill legislation that passed 75-22 in the Senate because he said it would hurt retention and reduce re-enlistment by 16%. He also said it would reduce the number of the enlisted ranks. On the importance of NCOs McCain said " "In my life, I have learned more from non-commissioned officers I have known and served with than anyone else outside my family, they are very hard to replace. Encouraging people to choose to not become non-commissioned officers would hurt the military and our country very badly." This legislation was not supported by the Army nor the Pentagon. At a time when the military is struggling to meet recruitment quotes during wartime, McCain must have felt that the shrinkage caused by the new GI Bill would have a negative impact on our readiness. This would be the only logical explanation for his opposition. This is tactical, not a diss to the veterans.
THANKS LETTYB! I NEVER UNDERSTOOD POLITICIANS NEED TO APPEAL TO CHURCHES AND RELIGION PERIOD. THIS IS GOVERNMENT. THE ONLY ISSUES IN A CAMPAIGN SHOULD BE GOVERNMENT RELATED SHIT! HEALTHCARE, TAXES, SECURITY, EDUCATION, YOU KNOW STUFF THAT AFFECTS EVERYONE. AS A MATTER OF FACT IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL AS A POLITICIAN TO DISCUSS OR INVOLVE URSELF IN SOCIAL CRAP LIKE ABORTION AND GAY MARRIAGE. CIVIL RIGHTS SHOULD NOT BE TOUCHED. LET PEOPLE MARRY WHO THEY LOVE AND HAVE BABIES WHEN THEY WANT. PRY THE CHURCH AWAY FROM THE WHITEHOUSE AND MAKE THIS COUNTRY FREE ONCE AND FOR ALLL!!!!!!WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Re: _Alice_ – Yes, I really want to hear what both candidates have to say, in their own words, unrehearsed. We will no doubt have LOTS to talk about afterward.
Ya… the VA sucks ass. My husband's a vet, both our fathers are vietnam vets. Grandfathers are WWII/Korea vets, etc.
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Sorry to hear about your hubby
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I'll be thinking of you, too. You are one of the people I most respect on here. Even though we seldom agree.
I would like to take this opportunity to offer my services to the Obamama campaign of 2008. At great expense, I have begun printing up a new line of Obamama tshirts in heavenly colors and with tasteful glitter lettering:
"Obama…his god is kinda like your God! So vote!"
"Obama… You kneel in a pew, I kneel on a rug…what's the diff?"
"Obama… my wife may not be much to look at, and mean as a snake, but she loves church bake sales!"
"Obama…Hey! They talked me out of a cross for my acceptance speech, so I did that whole Greek temple thing. But we're still cool, right?"
"Obama…Rome is where? Uh-huh…Hey! That's not too far from Mecca!"
He's desperate.
Considering the fact that he was the SOLE state senator to vote against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, I think it's safe to say the religious vote won't be switching parties any time soon.
And this is a fact—people think twice before you vote someone in office who opposed providing medical care to babies born from botched abortions!!!
Re: Smirks – AND YOU THINK REPUBLICANS AREN'T DOING THE SAME THING? WAKE UP SISTER!
YOU ARE SO STUBBORN THAT YOU WON'T LOOK AT WHAT IS BEST FOR YOUR OWN ASS!
OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA!!!!
Cheesy. Funny thing is I can't think of a snappy McCain slogan: Oh yeah, NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN.
the religious nitwits are part of the problem.
bad idea.
Keep your God to yourself.
Re: Smirks – YOU ALREADY SAID THIS CONVENIENTLY LEAVING OUT MCCAIN'S BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR IS THE FAILED MERRILL LYNCH.
OBAMA RULES!!!
Re: Angieinar – None I am in school but it is something I have thought about I am taking child development classes and when I can afford it I very well may.
Re: StoneM – And Sarah Palin can see Russia from her front door. WTFE. Get a life. OBAMA IS NOT, NOR HAS HE EVER BEEN, MUSLIM. Keep beating that dead horse.
Re: tigger – You are an ignorant, racist (and quite frankly not funny) moron.
Obama Mama doesn't even know how many freakin' states make up America, for crying out loud. L-O-S-E-R. He's a desperate, stupid, fool of a man.
Catholic vote? Yeah, right.
Everyone knows that he joined that wacked out church for political reasons.
In his memoir he said that if he had to choose a religious side, it would be with the Muslims.
Re: Smirks – MCCAIN IS TOAST! OLD WET SOGGY IMPUDENT TOAST!
Re: StoneM – PLEAASE SEE LINE 109 BEFORE U POST ANYMORE IGNORANT COMMENTS. ANDIF U DO PRINT APPAREL WITH SUCH LIES AS "HE KNEELS ON A RUG" I HOPE U GET SUED FOR SLANDER…AND THEN DIE.
Sweetpiece, hate to burst your bubble, but Obama got the more money from Merrill Lynch. Here's a bit of news for you from last year:
"Obama's take remained the steadiest among the top-tier candidates. He received 27 percent of his Merrill money in the third quarter."
Re: SquirrelLives – He has repeatedly denied money MONEY to vets and to the VA. He has repeatedly denied BENEFITS to vets and their families. His record doesn't lie. I have it in front of me. I'm talking about MONEY for health care, medical facilities, and rehab for vets. He has voted against measures that would give these facilities money. I just wan to know why? He supports the war but doesn't support the men and women who are actually in it. They are coming back, if they come back, to piss poor health care. I've seen it with my own eyes. So, why would McCain deny measures to IMPROVE the lives of vets? They are, after all, fighting for a cause he deeply cares about. The VA needs more money, more people, and an absolute overhaul of their bureaucracy. These people deserve it!
Re: sweetpiece – #135
That's where you're wrong. They ALL fail. Even your golden boy. And everybody seems to get that except those who drank the Kool-Aid, like yourself.
Re: Smirks – post 128- Any person who supports my Mr. Paul is a kindred spirit;)
Religion is for small minded idiots. It was created to keep people in line. I am sure Obama knows that and that is why is his targeting the religious people.
Re: Renee26 – Uh….abortions weren't even thought of during the time of the Constitution being written. It's a different world today….that's why various forms of birth control have been created; women have many choices available from subjecting themselves from creating an unwanted life. Use them and quit bitching. Rape is another story…..
FOR ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE CATHOLIC AND PRO-CHOICE: YOU ARE KIDDING YOURSELVES!! GO TELL YOU PASTOR HOW YOU FEEL, AND SEE IF YOU ARE INVITED BACK TO COMMUNION. You may have been RAISED Catholic, but you are clearly lapsed. So simply say you are pro-choice, because Catholic and pro-choice just don't go together.
Re: ugly step sister – Try again UGLY. Rudy 9iu11iani got the most, followed by Romney and McCain. Golly - I can google too! ONCE AGAIN, the Repubes only telling HALF the facts!!!
Re: Angieinar – Anybody wanting the FACTS should go to the non-partisan site "opensecrets" (org). It tracks money in politics. Trust me, they ALL get money and Obama frequently tops the lists. WAY more than McCain does.
Re: Renee26 – So why does he suggest that he wants to be sworn in by a Qur'an?
Re: _Alice_ – Post 144
My post was specifically about the GI Bill that passed this past may. If you would like me to research other measures, please provide the details and I will try to answer your questions.
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Regarding the GI Bill opposition, McCain had his own bill that got tabled in favor of the bill that passed. He had compromise legislation, but the Jim Webb bill is what went forward. In this instance, McCain placed readiness before veteran's benefits (as he should). Readiness trumps everything.
When did Thomas Jefferson's dream of separation of Church and State go up in flames? No sane person wants to live under a Christian Theocracy any more than he want to live under the Taliban, or the Wahabbists in Saudi Arabia. It's disgusting that presidential candidates have to pander to this tiny segment of society with its superstitious occult form of mental illness. We should be getting them into treatment, not begging for their votes.
Re: xoMarinaxo – I got pregnant on the patch. and condoms break all the time. regardless REGARDLESS NOBODY IS FUCKING BITCHING. WHY DON'T U TRY MINDING UR FUCKING BUSINESS U HOLIER THAN THOU CUNT AND WORRY ABOUT UR OWN VAGINA. I COULD GIVE A FUCK IF THE GIRL SITTING IN THE BUS NEXT TO ME HAD 5 ABORTIONS. I DON'T LOSE SLEEP OVER IT AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU SO FUCKING KISS MY ASS!
Re: xoMarinaxo – ARE
YOU
REALLY
THAT
STUPID?
I'm typing slow so maybe you can get it. The first recorded EVIDENCE of abortion was in Egypt in 1550 BC. Chinese concubines had them in 500 BC…Women used to do all sorts of terrible things to themselves to abort their fetuses…poisons, herbs, sharp instruments, fasting, bloddletting, having somebody punch them in the abdomen…
catholics for obama? thats a joke right…
how can someone claim to be catholic and be pro-choice and pro-homosexual marriage? among other things… the catholic faith isn't a buffet line you can't pick and choose which doctrines you want to follow!
and for all those "what if your raped" umm it's not the babies fault you were raped! pretty much murdering your child is worse than being raped
RIDICULOUS!!
Re: kristeno7 –
"pretty much murdering your child is worse than being raped"
It's not a child, it's a zygote.
…and let's ask someone who's been raped how bad it would be to carry the baby for 9 months, go through labor and child birth, and then have to tell her lovely child that his/her daddy is a rapist. Sounds like a picnic.
Re: Smirks – what i watche dthe debate mc cain is like watching paint dry. are you serioius lol wow u and mc dummy are dumb lol the man dont even know how to use a computer or email… stupids
Re: kristeno7 –
"the catholic faith isn't a buffet line you can't pick and choose which doctrines you want to follow!"
Huh? But every other religion is? Which religion condones lying? How many people have never lied? Which religion promotes pre-marital sex? How many people remain virgins until marriage?
"He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her…"
Re: scallywag – YOUR NAME SIUTS YOU FUCKTARD!
Re: xoMarinaxo – Where does he say that? Or even "suggest" it?
Re: kristeno7 – #157 - GREAT post! You are 100% correct. Loved the buffet line btw!
Re: SquirrelLives – I always like your posts but…tell that to our injured troops. Tell that to the families dealing with all the BS that comes their way. There is a reason vets are so pissed off at him. It's because he doesn't care. And has shown repeatedly that he doesn't. And the Webb amendment was for adequate rest between deployments. I can tell you first hand that the troops aren't "ready" after only six months of being home. Are you kidding? I've had friends go downrange multiple times and they are not "ready". They are constantly rotating in and out. Again and again. They need to rest and receive help for all the things they are going through. PTSD is a HUGE problem right now. we are sending men and women down there who can barely take care of themselves let alone take care of their duties downrange.
One example of his "help":
May 2006- McCain voted AGAINST an amendment that would provide 20 million to the Dept. of VA for health care facilities.
Why would he do that????
Re: DaLa – YEAH RIGHT ON!
Re: Arshe – WELL THEN FOR ALL THOSE MOTHER GIVE YA BABY TO THIS WOMAN BECAUSE SHE CAN SAVE ALL THE BABIES DROPPED THEM AT HER DOOR STEPS SINCE SHE GOT THE ANSWERS..
Re: Eloelalola – YEAH RIGHT ON THAT ONE TOO!
well if mc cain can go around sporting his catholic prize Palin- then why not give out support merchandise that obama's followers want to wear proudly to prove that Republicans are not the only side that supports Faiths–one good thing is that Obama supporters come from all faiths and walks of life- not just the Strictly Catholic denomination who deems everything a sin unforgivable and condemnable enough to stone them publicly! funny palin's church has not stoned her daughter yet for sex before love or marriage.
Renee26 - HAHA thats funny…a loser slut who has posted on this topic alone 10 times is telling someone else to mind their business! Go take care of your children!!
Re: Smirks –
#74
Yup, have you seen the video on youtube where his teleprompter went out? That is the funniest thing ever, he looks and sounds like he's totally lost.
Re: Angieinar –
#88
Actually McCain is more comfortable in a townhall format. He doesn't like the teleprompter.
Re: xoMarinaxo – LMFAO. YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE BIMBOS WHO READS THE DUMB SLANDEROUS CHAIN E-MAILS YOU GET FORM UR RETARD FRIEND REGARDING BARACK OBAMA. IF U GO TO TRUTHORFICTION.COM OR ANY OTHER WEBSITE THAT DOES THE FACT FINDING FOR U RETARDS YOU CAN DEBUNK ANY PATHETIC RUMOR STARTED BY SOME RELIGIOUS RACIST FREAK SKINHEAD WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE BARACK ELECTED. CHECK UR FACTS. IN FACT Barack even has a stop the smears button on his personal website. Calling someone a terrorist wehn their not is not funny and is very serious. If i were Barack i would sue the shit out of MCCANCIENT UNTIL HE NEEDED TO GO ON WELFARE.
Obama is willing to kill a child that survives the original failed murder. I’m not a god fearing person, but I don’t think that the Catholics are going to vote for him!
Buck Ofama
Re: scallywag – I DONT HAVE CHILDREN U FUCKING CREEP. GO THUMP ON A BIBLE AND DONT WORRY ABOUT THINGS THAT ARENT UR BUSINESS. I PROBABLY HAVE FEWER SEX PARTNERS THAN UR MOM WHO IS PROBABLY A WHITE TRASH TRAILOR PARK CUM GUZZLING SLUT. AND KEEP MY NAME OUT OF UR MOUTH CUZ ITS NOT A COCK. WHY DONT U GO CHOKE ON ONE.
Re: Eloelalola –
It's called adoption.
Re: SquirrelLives – April 2006- McCain was one of ONLY 13 senators to vote AGAINST 430 million for the Dept of VA for medical SERVICES for outpatient care and TREATMENT of vets. Why?
Re: scallywag – It's not a sin to vote for someone who is Pro-Choice. It's just a sin to abort a baby. I would never have an abortion. That's my choice and my moral belief. There's a lot more involved in a presidential election than just the issue of a woman's right to choose. If you're just voting on this one issue, you're crazy. I'll still keep taking communion every week without hesitation. I haven't sinned. Also….for the record….a Republican president (which I assume you voted for) has been in office for 8 years now…….Roe V. Wade is still standing, and abortion is still legal the last time I checked.
Re: Smirks – Okay - I went there and guess what? Your boy has 1.3 Million in PAC contributions…Obama has…drumroll please…..$1,635 dollars. That's one thousand…not one million. Merrill Lynch not in the top 20 for Obama but guess where it was for your boy McSame? That's right - #1. I would think if you're going to spout off websites to support your view that…well, they would support your view. I guess I'm an angry crazy Democrat that way though!
Re: _Alice_ –
#164
That is bad, but how is Obama going to help us vets if 95% of Americans are getting their taxes lowered? Where's the extra money coming from?
Re: _Alice_ – Post 164
My use of the word "readiness" refers to the overall preparedness of the military as a whole, not the individual soldier. If a measure put forth caused our overall readiness to suffer, as a candidate for president he would have to consider the effects going forward. I cannot explain his reason for opposing the specific legislation you are referring to.
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Try this. Search on google "mccain veterans benefits" click on the #2 result, an article from a blog called Obsidian Wings. This is an overview of most if not all Veteran's legislation going back to 2005 giving McCain's actions on all. He voted for some of the legislation, against others and failed to vote on a few. Draw your own conclusions. I'm with you and Smirks, I would like to hear his answers on this topic.
Such vicious attacks. Hope everyone has their rabies vaccinations; these bitches are super rabid today.
We have the naive if idealistic caucus (peer pressure) voters of Iowa (and others) to thank for this pre-destined failure and four more years of McCain (senility) becoming Palin (the trains will run on time), just like Hillary R Clinton told us it would be. (He can't win.) Remember? This is America. Remember? Black men need not apply to be President. Just the way it is. Hillary would have been the greatest president ever and the one who would have led this confused country out of the wilderness. But no.
Bullshit tactic to hide that fact this fucker is a muslim. Aren't most Dems pro-choice and he's trying to sway the catholic vote? What a stupid asshole
Re: Eloelalola – ACTUALLY… i have attended many PRO-LIFE seminars where the women speaking HAVE been raped and carried the baby to term and kept it…like i said its not the babies fault their father is a rapist!!
and for any "catholic" human life begins at conception! so whatever scientific name you want to give it, it's still a human life…how would you feel if your momma aborted you? the world would have been a less ignorant place!
and i made a comment pertaining to the catholic faith in specific which goes highly against anything homosexual, abortion, pre-marital sex and hey you know what some people actually stick to those doctrines! and lying, your right everyone does it but it's not to the extent of killing a helpless human life
Re: Suze –
Thank You, Suze:
Re: scallywag – It's not a sin to vote for someone who is Pro-Choice. It's just a sin to abort a baby. I would never have an abortion. That's my choice and my moral belief. There's a lot more involved in a presidential election than just the issue of a woman's right to choose. If you're just voting on this one issue, you're crazy. I'll still keep taking communion every week without hesitation. I haven't sinned. Also….for the record….a Republican president (which I assume you voted for) has been in office for 8 years now…….Roe V. Wade is still standing, and abortion is still legal the last time I checked.
Re: cyatic910 – I honestly don't know. I'm also not a big fan of Obama. I support Ron Paul. I think that we are pretty much screwed no matter who's in office. I look at both the dems and republicans with disdain. If America truly wants change, we need to stop being so petty and look beyond party lines and come together on solutions. All I know is what I see, which is 2 wars, an economy in the shitter, and hatred around the globe for us. So, no I can't answer your question but I wish I could.
Re: LS – type much?
wow.. this abortion convo is getting heated.. okay, first off, im PRO-CHOICE.
Re: cyatic910 – #170
hahaha… no, I haven't. I'll have to go look at it. What on EARTH is he going to do in the debates?!?
I'm CATHOLIC, I'm PROCHOICE, and I'm FOR OBAMA/BIDEN!!!! Times have changed people. My 80 year old Catholic grandparent, my 55 yr old parents and all my siblings are for OBAMA/BIDEN, too. I'm sure there are still some who are stuck in the past, but most Catholics I know are for OBAMA.
Re: SquirrelLives – I went and very interesting. I guess if I want answers, I will have to wait. Damn, come on debates!
Thank you for your respectful answers squirrel. I know I get over heated about this topic!
Anyway, I will be researching further. I need more info!
Tschüs.
Re: Kymmie – how is he making a fool out of himself? I'm a Catholic for Obama and I know many many more!
Re: Angieinar – #179
You dolt. I didn't list the website to support my view. I listed it because it tells the scandalous truth about ALL politicians. I don't claim McCain is virtuously above it all. I acknowledge he has taken money. The fact remains that Obama has also taken money. And don't just parse it out in PACs… when you factor individual contributions in Obama is at the top of many lists. Admit it and you might feel better. Of course you can just go on defending the indefensible and look silly. ALL politicians are shady.
Re: offtheproperty – Post 183
I never really considered the peer pressure factor inherent in caucus votes. I never liked the caucus vote but this adds an element that distorts the outcome. I would like to see the caucus states converted to a traditional primary contest. Caucuses are flawed. Consider the outcome of the Texas Primary/Causus. Hillary wins the primary by 100,000 votes but Obama wins the caucus and gets more delegates. What's up with that?????
Re: MeowMix67 – Please leave. If you want to have an intelligent debate, please come to the floor with facts, not bullshit. Thank you.
Re: Smirks – post 194- So true. They are all shady characters!
Carry on Smirks….
Peace out.
Re: Angieinar – Sorry about the "dolt" remark. It was unnecessary. I got heated and I apologize.
Re: scallywag – Per your #149 comment, you 'appear' to be Catholic (born and raised), so, I will ask you….
If Catholicism was/is set in stone…
Why was cremation given an 'okey dokey' by the Vatican? (I know this, for a fact, because my grandmother would NEVER have gone for it, if not for the Vatican).
Why would meat on Friday be 'ok' for SOME people…but, not for others?
Last, but not least,…..if 'pro-choice' is ingrained into the thoughts of Catholics….is that why SO MANY Catholic priests only molest/rape BOYS, because the boys/young men could/would NOT get pregnant? Hmmm….makes one wonder.
Re: BeNiceYall –
This Catholic is!!!!
OBAMA '08
going to church once a week and receiving commune doesn't make you catholic