Barack Obama vs. John McCain: Round 1
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Did you watch?
Thoughts?
Here's the Obama campaign's official statement about their candidate's performance:
"This was a clear victory for Barack Obama on John McCain's home turf. Senator McCain offered nothing but more of the same failed Bush policies, and Barack Obama made a forceful case for change in our economy and our foreign policy. While Senator McCain wants to keep giving huge tax cuts to corporations and said nothing about the challenges Americans are facing in their daily lives, Barack Obama will be a fierce advocate for tax cuts for the middle class, affordable health care, and a new energy economy that creates millions of jobs. While foreign policy was supposed to be John McCain's top issue, Barack Obama commanded that part of the debate with a clear call to responsibly end a misguided war in Iraq so that we can finish the fight against al Qaeda in Afghanistan. John McCain needed a game-changer tonight, and by any measure he didn't get it." Obama-Biden campaign manager David Plouffe.
And the McCain campaign's take:
"There was one man who was presidential tonight, that man was John McCain. There was another who was political, that was Barack Obama. John McCain won this debate and controlled the dialogue throughout, whether it was the economy, taxes, spending, Iraq or Iran. There was a leadership gap, a judgment gap, and a boldness gap on display tonight, a fact Barack Obama acknowledged when he said John McCain was right at least five times. Tonight's debate showed John McCain in command of the issues and presenting a clear agenda for America's future." –Jill Hazelbaker, McCain-Palin 2008 Communications Director
[Image via AP.]
Re: PalinsGirl – "and if you're are so intrigued by everyone helping out one another..sharing and equality of all..you should probably look into moving to England." Wow. Are you intimating that caring for thy neighbour is a bad thing? Geez, what happened to 'give us your poor, your huddled masses'? And is 'move to England' supposed to be a slight on the Brits? As a Commonwealth citizen - poor taste. A little humility goes a long way/ You were winning me over with some valid points, but you've lost me again. And, I have to ask you, what was your honest opinion of the Katie Couric interview? Were you truly satisfied that this was the best the GOP could do?
Re: Whatupperez –
So Obama said he agreed with McCain on several things. Why are you so fixated on that? It just showed Obama was gracious in showing that he agreed with his opponent. He could have worded it differently, and you probably would have still been all over that. Are you so extreme in your partisan views that you don't think Democrats and Republicans can agree on anything?
Re: arrora – Actually, he didn't ever address him - he 'referred' to his positions like he wasn't in the room. It was rude!
Don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but when Obama said "Jim", he was addressing the moderator, Jim Lehrer.
McCain vs. Obama round 1
Not once did McCain say the words Middle class and he RARELY looked into the camera to connect to us the people. Overall I thought this would be John's it was NOT he NEEDED to hit it out the ballpark and that just DID NOT happen……..
To be honest I thought w/ the debate focusing on Foreign Policy that McCain would knock this out the ballpark… THIS DID NOT HAPPEN. Obama was gracious in giving McCain credit where credit was due and still managed to stick to the Big Picture. Obama said yeah the surge worked, however; we shouldn't have been there in the first place… I STILL AGREE W/ That. The war in Iraq has strengthend Iran why? b/c of the unification of the Shiite Muslims! Iran and Iraq WERE enemies and now the Taliban exists in a country where once there was NO Taliban. For those that are confused on the Muslim issue Google the Caliphate and read why knowing the differences in Muslim culture matter. On the issue of Afghanistan and Pakistan we will definately NEED Special Forces in Northern Afghanistan b/c we're dealing w/ a "tribal" society NOT a structured government and in order to win in Afghanistan we MUST win over those tribal leaders. That area is like no man's land. IMO, Obama held his own despite McCain's exp. In Foreign policy and Obama pummelled McCain in regards to the economy. We don't need a hatchet, we need a scapel to decide where to cut spending
Re: MINXLIVES – morning, like the new look
…..that line about the war going to be quick and easy, was one that stood out to me too. Funny, it's yet another example of how we all pick and choose what we hear. I remember back in 2003, and the severity of the mindsets @ this war. I don't remember feeling like anyone thought this was going to be quick and easy. I remember seeing bush, rumsfeld, etc…they all said this was going to be a long hard fight that would likely go well into the next few administrations. I'm sure that I "tune out" tidbits that don't sit well w/my agenda too, but just b/c the media drills something in your head, doesn't make it fact……also…Saddam did everything he could to make us believe he had wmd……since when does calling out a bluff on a bad hand, not a winning move??.
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.now, I will not defend 2005 thru the approval of surge………that was a clusterfuck disaster…………i will always wonder if petty political bullshit wasn't the real terrorist here
Who ever thinks that Obama is an eloquent speaker is an idiot. I almost regurgitate listening to that stuttering oaf! IF you WATCHED the debate and not just the liberal media clips of the rare times he was fluent, you would have seen he is NOT even an option for a presidential candidate. He stutters, stammers and if you notice he copies EVERYTHING McCain said…right down to the bracelet story. He was pathetic and sad. AND, I cannot believe you people are so enthralled with the looks of McCain or his age and not his EXPERIENCE! So, maybe I do want more of the same! Since Bush has been President, I have changed careers, advanced in my career AND have more money saved than I ever had!! But you know what??? I work my butt off for it, I do not expect handouts (for myself or anyone else).
So, do you think that MONKEY Obama could have whinned anything more than "That's not true" That was SO juvenile and desperate!!
Re: erhg74 –
Im not worried. You're the one that sounds worried. You aren't from Illinois so how the hell would you know how corrupt Obama is? And what bothers you is what I am saying is fact and I have the right to say it, because I experienced it first hand. You are coming off as somehow you know, but you Obama supporters don't know. And its just ridiculous that you think he is the next coming, the guy has two years experience being a US Senator and you want him in office. You're listening to the liberal media telling you what you need to know. I've read his bills, I lived in his district, I've heard his empty words. Barack is not for this country and you mark my words, he is the next Jimmy Carter, not Bill Clinton.
Re: Chavke –
I think they can agree. However, Obama frequently makes the point that he is not like George Bush and that he is so different. He says that John McCain is Bush. So, if that is the case, shouldn't Barack agree less with him. And, if you want to talk partisan, John McCain has been far less partisan than Obama. Obama's record speaks for itself. And his flip-flopping on gays in the military, drilling, the surge and countless other issues. This was witnessed in the debate. Say what you need to get elected. That is not a President. But, this is a guy who went to a racist church for 20 years. I've been there. It is a hostile place for HIspanics and Whites. THere is no excuse for that.
the debate made me angry.
everyone think that obama did better.
let me tell you why.
he's a slightly better speaker than mccain.
so even if your spewing out bs,
the people are going to buy it.
at least mccain is a respectful debater.
mccain '08!
How big of an ass is Obama? In his "me too" moment with the bracelets (like a child he declared "Jim, I've got a bracelet too") he revealed to the nation that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin. Well, turns out the soldiers mother has asked him not to wear the bracelet because he is making a campaign issue out of it.
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Radio host Glenn Moberg of the show "Route 51" asked Mr. Jopek, a man who believes in the efforts in Iraq and is not in favor of Obama's positions on the war, what he and his ex-wife think of Obama continually using their son's name on the campaign trail.
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Jopek began by saying that his ex-wife was taken aback, even upset, that Obama has made the death of her son a campaign issue. Jopek says his wife gave Obama the bracelet because "she just wanted Mr. Obama to know Ryan's name." Jopek went on to say that "she wasn't looking to turn it into a big media event" and "just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself." Apparently, they were all shocked it became such a big deal.
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But, he also said that his ex-wife has refused further interviews on the matter and that she wanted Obama to stop wearing the reminder of her son's sacrifice that he keeps turning into a campaign soundbyte.
From SNL - How to deal with North Korea - Obama style
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JIM LEHRER, PLAYED BY WILL FORTE: Now, let’s turn to the topic of nuclear proliferation. Senator Obama, you have frequently been critical of this administration’s efforts to stop Iran and North Korea’s nuclear weapons programs.
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OBAMA, PLAYED BY FRED ARMISEN: I have.
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LEHRER: What would you do differently.
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OBAMA: First of all, Jim, I would use traditional diplomacy, something this administration has consistently refused to do. Should that fail, then and only then, would I try what I call "playing the race card."
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[LAUGHTER]
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LEHRER: And how would that work?
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OBAMA: Take North Korea. I would ask Kim Jong Il to shut down his country’s nuclear weapons program. If he declined, I would say to him, "All right, I get it. I know why you’re really refusing to stop the program." And he would say, "No, what are you talking about?" And I would say, "It’s because I don’t look like all the other Presidents you’ve dealt with." And then he would say, "Wait, that’s not fair. That has nothing to do with it." And I would add, "That’s cool. I understand. I’m different. I’m not like the other guys on the $5 and $10 bills." It’s a long, delicate process. But eventually, he’ll have to give in.
And yes McCain did say horsesh*t under his breath (atleast it sure sounded like he did)
I wondered a/b that too when he mumbled… it was reminiscent of the moment that I thought "Ist that janet's nipple on NATIONAL tv?!" I thought I was seeing things until my brother rewound the TiVO!
where is my response to mamajud????
Re: nubsy – How on earth could you call McCain respectful through this debate when he refused to even LOOK at Obama? He was completely disrespectful, and kept sneering the ENTIRE time.
He was a total ass. Imagine how he'd be as a foreign diplomat. He's going to get the US bombed again.
Kissinger Sept. 20: Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we — we know we're dealing with authentic…"
CNN's Frank Sesno: Put at a very high level right out of the box?
Kissinger: "Initially, yes.BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE CAN MAKE CONDITIONS FOR THE OPENING OF NEGOTIATINS."
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AFTER THE DEBATE:
Kissinger: Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain.
DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT OBAMA WAS CORRECT IN THE DEBATE.
ALSO, there's nothing wrong w/ agreeing with your opponent. Just because the wear a D or an R doesn't mean they disagree on EVERY SINGLE THING!!!
Morning Squirrel!
I read some of the exchange between you and Jermaine… What started that debacle? More importantly what do yu think of this bailout? To be honest I am pissed that even 250 bil even went to it. The rest of us couldn't buy these mortgages at pennies on the dollar like Chase and make off like bandits…
Re: MINXLIVES –
The thing with Jermaine started when I responded to Post 162. He said he would be a 2009 graduate from Georgia Tech, a double major, and his last statement was along the lines of - What will the government do for us ("us" - inclusive not "them" exclusive). I see Jermaine as a) better looking and more physically fit than 90% of Americans and b) he has a better education than 90% of Americans. His next step would be to use both a and b to get to c - a higher paying job than 90% of Americans. But his position was to ask what is the government going to do to help him. I don't understand that mind set. Some how the conversation devolved into him labeling me as prejudiced and racist - his usual M-O. I was simply questioning his need for government help.
Re: MINXLIVES – God Morning to you BTW. How rude of me.
With regard to the bailout. I haven't read the latest information yet (I'm a little fuzzy from a night of drinking and football). I still haven't come to terms with it yet. I'm glad they finally included House Republicans as it seems Pelosi and Reid were intent on keeping them out of it. I think it's funny, Pelosi and Reid could pass this with minimal Republican support but refuse to do so out of fear. They don't want it pinned on them if it fails. Also, it would pin them to Bush. So they have to compromise if they want broad Republican support. I do think it's something they will eventually put together.
For those of you on here saying that Obama was agreeing with what McCain was saying didnt see the damn debate!!!! When Obama was saying "John is absolutely right…" he was agreeing with the facts McCain was stating about the current situation in America. Dont get it twisted!!! I saw that crooked video the Republicans did about Obama agreeing with McCain, Cutting off Obama just when he was about to say "but". So many times during the debate, McCain was putting words in Obama's mouth. I dont know how many times Obama had to say "Now John, thats NOT true". Also, not ONCE did John McCain look at Obama during the debate. OBAMA for Prez!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bush had 8 years to fix the country and all he did was run it to the ground. If McCain wins, might as well call it the beginning of the end. He will not finish his term and Palin will take over.
Re: SquirrelLives – i'm giving jermaine a pass on this one. I've seen him be an irrational screamer on other threads.
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I'm chalking his position up to his youth and emotions. His will to take a passionate stance in the political arena is greater the "message" he stands for.
Re: Repubsretards – oh yeah and Biden is the brightest crayon in the box! you'd think for how long he's been in politics he'd know simple things such as WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT WHEN THE GREAT DEPRESSION HIT or that TV wasn't even invented at the time! Or the fact that on record he's has opposed obama more than he's agreed with him! He's a perfect example of a loose cannon…you never know whats going to come out of his mouth.
Re: mamajud –
Since I grew up in the south, having someone label you as a racist is either flattering (sick) or an insult. It's gets personal for me since I have witnessed first hand the humiliation and harm racist attitudes can have. This is something I've been sensitive to all of my 44 years on this earth. It's an insult to me, an insult to his intelligence, and an insult to anyone who has suffered from actual real racism, to toss such accusations out in that manner. It's not the first time he and I have tussled over this. I understand he is emotional and young, but I don't take that particular argument lightly.
Re: MISS CLEO – You are so elequent! Did you major in English?
Re: mynameis –
Respect is earned. McCain has earned the respect of this country by being a prisoner of war and now a reformer. Barack Obama has discriminated against Hispanics and Whites with his calls for reparation and legislation that provides opportunistic loopholes for African-Americans to get out on top. We are one country not a country who helps one group of people. On top of that, he lied to Bill O'Reilly about his affiliation with Bill Ayers, who is an unapologetic bomber. Fine you were involved with this sleeze, but be honest. On top of that, he said that is quote above his paygrade during his other appearance in Orange County. Who does he think he is? He is a freshmen US Senator who has produced no significant legislation. Under the circumstances, McCain I feel was more respectful than what you are playing him for. Who cares if he didn't look him in the eye? I wouldn't look at someone who discriminates at others and lies to the American public either.
Re: LusciousLiz – uhhh i'm not voting for HER i'm voting for mccain. i love how you libretards compare obama to palin like she's running for president. well…their experience is about the same level. but i'd rather have an experienced pres and unexperienced vp than the other way around. I never said she was READY to lead the country…because she's not running to lead the country. Obama however is NOT ready to lead the country and he, unfortunately, is running.
Re: SquirrelLives –
Well, it is obvious you aren't a racist. I too have been attacked by liberals arguing for Obama and they don't debate the issues. That requires too much work. It is easier for him to point at you and call you a racist than actually debate the merits or lack thereof for voting Obama. Most liberals can only say the reason they want to vote him in is because he isn't Bush or McCain. To me, that's not a strong enough reason. And what's ironic is that Obama has injected race into everything he does, yet the Republicans haven't. Obama is the one who belonged to a church filled with discriminatory comments for Whites and Hispanics for 20 years. His wife is the one that said she is finally proud of this country, even though, Carol Mosley Braun had accomplished the same feat in his state nearly a decade earlier. He is the one that has discussed the importance of reparation, which helps African-Americans and not other races. It's not about Obama's color, it is about the fact he has no experience. Have we ever had such an experienced candidate before Why vote for this idiot?
Re: SquirrelLives – gotcha…..i guess i was impressed by the fact that no smackdowns had been threatened….lol
Re: Neeka82 –
Are you kidding me? And what celebrity told you that McCain being President would be the end? You clearly have not done your research. What would you call Barack Obama being President. You think a racist with terrorist ties and dismal Senate experience is going to lead this country where it needs to go. The man is a joke. Biden is a joke. He keeps saying even more stupid shit and yet he just gets a free pass cause that's how he is. Two huge morons. Obama is not even smart enough to have Hillary Clinton as his VP. And if we were so strong, how come the polls show him only slightly up or even with McCain. If the public believed in him, he'd be doing a lot better.
For all you douche-cain supporters!! your oblivious if you think he won the debate. do consider that if you vote him into presidency and something were to happen to him as vp palin would be our next president of the united states! not only is that stupid because shes retarded but its a scary thought!!! In alot of the interviews with douche-cain he can never give a straight answer he always seems to branch off and talk about other crap! I thought Obama did very well and he wasnt making faces! He was just laughing at the fact that douche-cain was full of it! i was laughing too!! For douche-cains amt of "experience" youd think he would have done way better but in this case DID NOT!
and i just think its hilarious that biden has done numerous interviews and yet palin has not. its because shes retarded and needs as much time as possible to collect and practice everything she says before she looks like even bigger dumbass infront of the american people. she is a joke!!! her interview with gibson was funny she didnt even know what the bush doctrine entailed! what kind of people are you douche-cain/palin people supporting?!?! YES, THE WRONG PERSON!
and for those making fun of the fact that obama keeps saying um um…hes speaking infront of all of america! it doesnt mean hes not confident! hes just making sure what he says is answering the questions being asked! unlike douche-cain who cant even do that!! Obama did a wonderful job! and i can not wait to see Biden kick Palins ass in this VP debate. It will be hilarious!
The American People need change and that change is going to come from Voting in OBAMA/BIDEN 08!!!!
Re: elmo22292 –
Wow, what were you watching? McCain didn't even LOOK at Obama which is HUGELY disrespectful. Obama and most of america were chuckling at McCain because he was lying through his dentures. He couldn't even look Obama in the eye while he was doing it! The only credible thing about McCain at the debate, was the $5,000/night make up artist he hired to make him look 20 years younger…..60. BTW, he hired Britney's make up artist.
Re: Whatupperez – Nicely Put! I know many people are going to think i'm racist for saying this…and i'm not…but I think Obama gets a free pass for being racist because he's the first black man running and that intrigues people more than facing the truth. I mean I'm sorry but i'm still not over the fact that he called his grandma a "typical white person". If McCain would've uttered the words "typical black person" his campaign AND reputation in politics would've been done for.
Re: secondcoming –
Obama shouldn't be ashamed, they do AGREE on several core issues. What he did do, was put an end to the US vs THEM by saying, he's is correct, we agree on this, but this is where we differ. It's not as SEXY as smear commercials and blatant lies, but it's a mature, and intelligent way of leading the country. Obama isn't going to say and do whatever it takes to get elected, he's going to say and do whatever it takes to PULL US OUT OF THE DITCH that the Repubs have gotten us into. He's a LEADER, not a POLITICIAN.
Re: mish805 – i'm sure you gave bush the same benefit of the doubt when he stammers
Re: mamajud – I don't make threats. I like intellectual debate and respect people that argue the merits of their candidate. I may chastise someone but I will never threaten anyone. Not my style.
Re: mamajud – I was just saying…ppl shouldnt even be thinkin about that kind of thing cause honestly that part doesnt even matter its what these candidates stand for!
Re: Roseygirl –
What has he done already? He has said one things and done another, Just like John Kerry.
1. He was against drilling. Now he is for it.
2. He is against the surge. Now he is agreeing that it did work.
3. He voted four times for partial birth abortions. Now he is against them.
4. He supported don't ask don't tell. Now he doesn't.
5. His plan supported increasing taxes. Now, he is not sure that is such a good thing.
What does that tell you? Barack is a puppet and an actor. There was nothing sincere about anything he said. You could see passion in McCain's speech. Barack was just looking to get this debate out of the way so his true intentions wouldn't come out. He should be ashamed at his lack of experience, his lying to people about his stances, his affiliation with Bill Ayers and a racist church for 20 years and the fact that he talks down about white grandparents. Something big is going to come out about Obama. You watch. You can only sweep the garbage under the carpet so long.
Re: SquirrelLives – i was talking about him!!……i know you are consistently reasonable….no worries…..;)
Re: mish805 – nevertheless, it became commonplace for Bush to be labeled a retard b/c of his speech patterns. I always had a hard time understanding why that was an issue. I find it ironic that now, this type of behavior is hailed as thoughtful b/c the guy doing it is a dem.
Re: mamajud – Gotcha….
Re: Whatupperez –
I agree with you. Although, I don't have a problem with someone voting for Obama because he's not Bush or by extension McCain. That's why I supported Bush in 2000 - he wasn't Clinton and couldn't be linked to Clinton. I think it's an insult to Obama and the voting electorate to frame an Obama loss as a result of inherent racism and bigotry. Each time Obama tries to bring race into the argument, he turns off people. We are more inclusive now than we've ever been as a country and as a people. Sure, it still exists, but it's a diminishing pool of people that feel that way (at least among whites).
Re: JERMAINE –
Hey man, do you think you could you acknowledge that people aren't voting for Obama because he's unqualified. And guess what, the Democratic Congress is the lowest rated and has done anything to cure society's ills either. Why are you bringing race into this? If you want to, how do you explain that 45% of African Americans voting for Hillary Clinton in a poll in January 2008. Are all 45% of those people racist because they didn't vote for Barack Obama. How do you explain that. They are African-Americans choosing not to vote for an African-American. Where is the racism? If things are as cutthroat as you descirbe them, 100 percent of people should be voting for Obama that are African-American. It's because they don't believe in him!!!!!!!!!
Re: PalinsGirl #434 – Hi everyone! Yes, you are soooo right! His wife, his pastor, his white priest friend (and so many others), they've all made racist remarks that have been released publicly but no one but Fox News calls that out. Let any McCain supporter say they don't like Obama and it has GOT to be because he's black, how fucking hypocritical is that? Libs love to accuse Conservatives of the being narrow minded ones. Personally, I know all I need to know about Obama, he has been on the political scene in Illinois since 1996. I well know what he and all his crooked friends did in this state. I so wish I could move out of this political hellhole otherwise known as Illinois. If Obama wins, I know I'll be trapped here.
I think that Obama had the edge during this debate….McCain represents the Bush administration and the past. This is a man that will not say that the war in Iraq is wrong, all he can talk about is how the surge is a big success yet fail to mention the 4,000+ men and women that have lost their lives in the war. McCain couldn't even look at Obama during the debate and he did not even mention anything about the middle class.I have such difficulty in understanding why any working person in the lower/middle class can support McCain/Palin.HE is the one who is out of touch with the American people….HE is the one that owns 5-7 homes and 13 cars….and HE has the nerve to label Obama as an elitist.The American people need to open their eyes! If you are someone who is struggling because of the failing economy then how can you justify a vote for McCAIN??? If you hate the thought of a black man becoming President that much, then just don't bother to vote but dont vote for McCain solely because of that.
Re: Roseygirl – #435
Please provide us with three examples of ANYTHING Obama has lead. Thank you.
Re: SquirrelLives –
I am talking about the sainthood of Obama. One Congresswoman likened him to Jesus. He is so far from that. Regardless, I am saying that a lot of liberals want to vote for him because this love affair wit him created by the media. While I respect your voting record, I think it is somewhat irresponsible not to do the research on both candidates. How do you explain Hillary supporters? Many are looking at both Barack and McCain and seeing that their interests are better served under McCain.
However, I agree with you on this issue of race. However, Democrats will be happy to say that he didn't win because of his race. They won't acknowledge that they passed Hillary Clinton and that it could be the reason. If you follow that logic, you could also say that the right wing will help Obama get elected so that when he fails, they can blame it on him because his race. It is absolutely ridiculous. The guy is a moron regardless of what race, color, creed or otherwise that he is.
Re: Smirks – i'll try…..heehee
1. training at ACORN
2. sheeps to pasture
3. ?
Re: Reneesouflee –
Please, Rude is being called the WRONG NAME, Rude is INTERRUPTING while McCain is trying to speak…..if you want to go there Obama did plenty of RUDE things during that debate.
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Re: SquirrelLives –
Thanks for all your great posts, hopefully the people that need to read them do =)
Re: elmo22292 – Hello, what does Iraq have to do with what happened on Sept. 11th- NOTHING. The Bush administration had an agenda all along to invade Irag regardless of what happened, and if you don't recall it was Osama bin Laden that led the terrosists attacks, and Afghanistan who was harboring him. Sept. 11th had nothing to do with Iraq or Suddam Hussein….It's really sad how easily Americans forget…no wonder the Bush administration manipulated the general public so easily.
Re: mamajud – Lol. Inorite? I'm still waiting for the reply and I have a feeling I'll wait forever. That is because all these very young and starstruck voters (shudder) who claim Obama is a "leader" can NEVER give examples. I have a #3 for you: Truth Squads (better to silence dissent in the proletariat, Comrade) and I would change #2 to "slaughter" from "pasture" lol.
Obma said youre right because McCain was right and Obama did not have a better answer, period. If Obama has a new plan for the demcraps why did he not elighten us. His speech was practiced. It did not come from his heart.
Re: elmo22292 –
Why don't you read Bob Woodward's new book The War Within, then you will know what is really going on in Iraq. We should not be there wasting money and having soldiers killed. The war was based on lies. George Bush has managed to fuck America in every orifice that he couuld find, and John McCain plans on doing the same. Time for a change Obama Biden 08.
There are more democrap complianers on this thread than republican. Because McCain did nothing wrong in this debate. All you haters are doing what you do best. Bitchen cause u can't admit you're wrong.
Re: Smirks –
HELLO DARLING!
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I'M SO SORRY OBAMA TURNED MCSTAIN UPSIDE DOWN
AND USED HIS WHITE HAIR TO MOP THE FLOOR! LOL!
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HOW WAS YOUR POPCORN, SWEETIE???
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Re: arrora – Like I said many times before - I call things like I see them. Whether I'm posting about a candidate, an issue, or responding to someone on here, I try to be honest and try to keep it out of the gutter. I've said a few things before out of frustration but I've always acknowledged when I was out of line. I wish others would follow suit.
Oh! And did you hear today that Hugo Chavez thinks we need to change our Constitution? Can you just imagine the conversation when Obama meets with him face-to-face without preconditions?
Chavez: Comrade Barack! Our goal of uniting the world under Communism is very close now! When are you going to change that pesky Constitution of yours?
Obama: Comrade Hugo! Haha. I can't believe the Americans fell for this! Well, I already have the Truth Squads in place to silence dissent and the Fairness Doctrine is ready to go. Next up, I will disarm the populace to better control them. Next comes state-owned healthcare. And early childhood education so we can begin indoctrination in pre-school. I have a majority in Congress… all I need to do is appoint a few sympathetic Supreme Court judges and the Constitutional re-write is as good as done.
Chavez: It will be a glorious day for Communism, my friend.
Dammit Perez. I thought you had gotten over the need to censor people. I wish you would reconsider this tactic. I will not refrain from calling out your candidate for what he really is and if you can't handle it then maybe you need to go back to the island. Fidel and Raul have a cell waiting for you. STOP CENSORING!!
Re: Leona$ Gho$t – Hey LG! It was scrumptios, Darling! Thank you.
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I wouldn't go quite that far. Both McCain and Obama could have done far better. It was a snoozefest and the candidates didn't say anything I haven't heard a dozen times before. I was hoping for some fireworks, and was disappointed.
McCain lost because the republican party has lost; the last eight years of republican derugulation and Bush cronyism have proven this. Obama can take America back to where the legislative branch is checking the marketplace preventing the bullshit we are swimming in.
obama said he wanted troops out of Iraq. He said he wanted troops in aftganistan and he would start a war with pakistan. I was aware that everybody agreed to go into Iraq, Dems and rep. Now demacrap cowards want to bail out. I think we should stay in Iraq and fix what we broke .. homes, schools, govermant, This is a new age war, u cant just bombem and leavem. Nobody said it would be easy.
Re: Smirks –
IT SURE WAS HONEY–I HAD TO HAUL MY ASS OFF MY LUXURIOUS SOFA
FOR AN ENERGY DRINK! I DON'T THINK THIS THURSDAY'S DEBATE WILL BE BORING–FAR FROM IT!
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Re: Leona$ Gho$t – You're right… that's definitely the one to watch. It has the potential of being a dealbreaker for McCain.
Re: Smirks –
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AND DARLING, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED I'VE CHANGED!
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YOU SEE, I HAVE A WEDDING TO ATTEND THIS AFTERNOON AND I LOVE TO WEAR A WHITE GOWN FOR ALL THE NUPTIALS TO WHICH I'M ASKED TO ATTEND–THIS WAY I WON'T BE INVITED TO THE COUPLE'S NEXT WEDDING CEREMONY!
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WITH THE DIVORCE RATE THESE DAYS, I'M LIKELY TO BE DRIVEN TO THE POORHOUSE, HAVING ALREADY SPENT $385,000 ON WEDDING GIFTS!
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WELL, MY DRIVER'S HERE–TA TA!
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I'm for Barack but I don't believe he's very good a debating, he's good at public speaking, but debating has got to be one of his few draw backs. When you hear him speak, it's eloquent he just has that voice and his use of rhetoric is phenomenal (in a good way). McCain's old and I think just has more experience at having to do the plotting politics thing, which does not form the best candidate. Though I think McCain took this one, fair and square; Barack is going to be President.
republicans do not believe McCain is like Bush. Just like people don't think Obama is like Clinton or Carter and so on. Dema and Reps do not agree or even like Bush, but he was better than AL Gore at the time. The more people put Obama on a pedestal and act out against an equally good man like McCain or good woman Palin, will back fire on demacrat. U can't curse and bully people.
Re: Whatupperez – Post 448
I've tried to reply to your post 5 times and each time it gets blocked. That's what prompted my censoring post. Perez doesn't like it when I call Obama the C word. I find it unacceptable to have someone like him an election away from being our President. This wouldn't have happened 20 years ago. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people too young to remember the USSR.
So once again, rather than focus on issues some insist on going off on a tangent and rely on good old character assissination.Obama's racist Rev served in our military Obama has cut him loose yet McCain has NOT done so with his spiritual advisor ROD PARSLEY.Tony Rezko, Tony Tony Tony everybody's favorite slinging hatchet well lets look at Keating shall we?
First the McCains had 359,100k in INVESTMENT DEALS w/ Keating. McCain took 112k in donations from Keating to take the heat off of gis sentencing.
McCain went on 9 free trips on Keatings dime, sometimes on Keatings jet to Keating Cat Kay retreat in the Bahamas. McCain walks away w/ a slap on the wrist even though he was the biggest benefactor of all the senators investigated, why? b/c of Supreme Court Justice William Renquist, one of the most presumed racist Repubs out there till he died of cancer.
BTW, who started the whole racist sentiment? Who put out bills with Obama's face emblazoned on them emphasizing he's "not one of us"? Who started the racist attacks and caused Obama to use the line "i may not look like those other faces on the dollar bill" hmmm Fannie Mae and freddie Mac, how a/b Rick Davies, McCain's campaign manger who is STILL makes $$$ off them? Clean up Washington when your whole campaign is run by lobbyists? Give me a break.
Re: Leona$ Gho$t – What an inspired strategy! I daresay I may have to adopt it myself. You are a veritable font of cleverness!!!! Mwah!
So once again, rather than focus on issues some insist on going off on a tangent and rely on good old character assissination.
Obama's racist Rev served in our military Obama has cut him loose yet McCain has NOT done so with his spiritual advisor ROD PARSLEY.
Tony Rezko, Tony Tony Tony everybody's favorite slinging hatchet well lets look at Keating shall we?
First the McCains had 359,100k in INVESTMENT DEALS w/ Keating. McCain took 112k in donations from Keating to take the heat off of gis sentencing.
McCain went on 9 free trips on Keatings dime, sometimes on Keatings jet to Keating Cat Kay retreat in the Bahamas. McCain walks away w/ a slap on the wrist even though he was the biggest benefactor of all the senators investigated, why? b/c of Supreme Court Justice William Renquist, one of the most presumed racist Repubs out there till he died of cancer.
BTW, who started the whole racist sentiment? Who put out bills with Obama's face emblazoned on them emphasizing he's "not one of us"? Who started the racist attacks and caused Obama to use the line "i may not look like those other faces on the dollar bill" hmmm
Fannie Mae and freddie Mac, how a/b Rick Davies, McCain's campaign manger who is STILL makes $$$ off them? Clean up Washington when your whole campaign is run by lobbyists? Give me a break…..
Re: SquirrelLives – #470
America needs a Joe McCarthy for the new millenium. The real threat to America, to our democracy, and to our way of life, is coming from the inside. People have forgotten the lessons of the Bolshevik Revolution, if they ever knew them in the first place. Obama is the most leftist candidate I have ever seen get this far. He is scary.
Re: MINXLIVES – So your entire argument seems to consist of, "So what, McCain is just as guilty as Obama"? McCain learned an important political lesson DECADES AGO. Since then he co-sponsored McCain-Feingold and is the ONLY candidate not to request filthy earmarks this year. I don't think we can say that about Obama. The only political lessons Obama has learned is that people will cover for him, they will not call him out, he can profit financially and politically from shady dealings, and he can get away with it. Whom do I trust more as a result? Someone who has learned a valuable lesson (McCain) or someone who thinks shady political machinations pay (Obama)?
Re: Smirks – Post 474
It's unbelievable how blind we have become to this sort of thing. I never would have imagined that the biggest threat to America would be America itself. I have no answer for this apparent lack of understanding. I don't know if people are just looking the other way or buying into this brand of government. Either way we are screwed if he gets elected.
Re: SquirrelLives – #476
I hope I die before seeing the US go Communist. And that's where we're heading. I hope you have your firearms because if O wins, that will be the end of that.
Re: Smirks – Post 477
Funny you would bring that up. I have everything I need to defend myself and my property. Let's just say I'm under the radar in that regard and my cabinet is full LOL. As Mr T would say - I pity the fool.
Re: Smirks – Haha. Reminds me of "Red Dawn"… "Avenge meeeee!!!!". But, ditto, my friend. Ditto.
Re: Smirks – Nothing warmed my heart more than Justice Scalia's recent opinion to the ruling on the DC Gun ban and the 2nd Amendment. It's scary to think how close that ruling was to going the other way.
Smirks, you know me better than that
For months I have said focus on the issues. My argument is that they both have dirt and whenever one cadidate pulls ahead of another it b/comes lets attack their character b/c we have nothing else. I am tired of the whole stinking thing. Some People saying a or b won W/O citing anything from the debate nor stating things they'd like to see in the next 2 upcoming debates. I posted that so people can move already & focus on the debates & Issues NOT character assassination it gets stupid after awhile and for every srgument on scandals, religous fruit job linkage, race and sexism there is meat on the other side to counter those arguments so move on and focus on what matters
I have a hard time posting so do not think I am ignoring you.
Re: PalinsGirl – Wrong…McCain is old…there is a SLIGHT chance he will live 4 more years and when and if he dies PALIN will be running the country so CORRECTION…if you are voting for McCain you are voting for Palin….PERIOD.
The fact is, they're both politicians; which means they are both liars to some extent. However it's clear that Obama still has a shred of integrity, whereas John McCain sold out to the highest bidder long ago.
McCain is terrible for this country, and with that nitwit Palin as his running mate the general fleecing of America has begun. If you buy the shit those two are selling (from Exxon-Mobil and Big Pharm no less) then you hate America, it's that simple. Oh and black people.
I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight…..
* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're
"exotic, different.
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* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American
story.
* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well
grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become
the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter
registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12
years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State
Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become
chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee,
spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a
state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving
on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's
Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city
council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000
people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000
people, then you're qualified to become the country's second
highest ranking executive.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while
raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches,
you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left
your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're
a Christian.
* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education,
including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the
fiber of society.
* If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with
no other option in sex education in your state's school system
while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very
responsible.
* If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position
in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner
city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's
values don't represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one
DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to
vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated
the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely
admirable.
OK, much clearer now.
Re: PalinsGirl – Are you stupid? OF COURSE you are voting for Sarah Palin!!! The ticket is MCCAIN/PALIN not just McCain. And in the event that he dies, which isn't hard to imagine, she becomes President. And that just can't happen. She has no experience, she hates the environment and she hates women (especially rape victims).
I hate to make this post so base but she a fucking cunt and so is anyone who supports her.
Re: MINXLIVES – I do know you better than that and Mario's site gets slower by the day! I do think we should focus on current issues, but I also think evaluating past/current associations and actions is of value. I don't think pointing out such ties is character assassination. Your bringing up Parsley a few days ago led to some learning on my part. And yeah, I find him to be almost as vile as Wright. At the end of the day, regardless of what is uncovered about any candidate, we will all vote our issues. My issue, obviously, is that I vote for smaller government and away from anything that smacks of Marxism. From your posts I would guess that your issue is war, the mishandling thereof, and the US reputation in the world. I could be wrong so I don't mean to put words in your mouth. I know you're not ignoring me… and I have a lot of respect for you.
Re: MINXLIVES – Post 481
I think character is the single most important issue. Policy is fodder because most of the time, the President never actually succeeds with their grand policies. So it's the character of the person we have to consider first. That's why character assassinations are effective. And I believe from what we know about Obama, his character is questionable and when compared to McCain, it's a no-brainer (for me at least).
Re: Common Sense – I am sure McCain has the best medical care money can buy and he probaly keeps a doctor on retainer… lol. I don't think he's gonna die any time soon. Even if he died two years from now that gives Palin plenty of time to become ready. Obama is unready from DAY ONE.
Re: Smirks – What? Do you seriously believe the shit you're writing? Listen man, I deal with this shit on a daily basis and it's not a joke at all. There will be no LOL's.
Sarah Palin is a danger to this counrty. Period point blank. And if you don't see it, you drank the kool-aide.
Re: Common Sense – I agree….that was pretty much the STUPIDEST post on this board!!!!
Re: Common Sense – Then we'll just have to agree to disagree because I absolutely DO believe the shit I write.
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PS - The Kool-Aid was delicious!
I give up trying to post!!!
Squirrel, mamajud and Smirks
I will post tomorrow when the site stops dragging or maybe later on tonite if you guys are interested in my responses! Enjoy the rest of your day!
Re: LusciousLiz – Nah… I think your little cut and paste job was just a tiny bit more stupid. lawl.
Re: LusciousLiz –
That is a rather pesimistic view of McCain. He was given a clean bill of health by his own doctors and the Republican Party. The Republicans aren't going to run a candidate that they don't see having a vision for the next four years. There have been three assassination attempts on Barack Obama already which is discusting. But, one could make the same argument about him. But, regardless, you are not voting for the Vp, you are voting for the President. Health is a ridiculous argument when it is clearly not a problem.
Re: Common Sense –
If we are drinking Kool Aid for believing in McCain, what the heck are you drinking believing in Obama? You want to vote for a person that has openly discriminated against Hispanics and Whites, has no foreign relations experience, hasn't finished a whole US Senate term, has introduced little legislation and is friends with some of the sleeziest people in Chicago politics, not to mention Bill Ayers? Clearly too much Oprah right?
Re: Common Sense – Why would I vote for Obama whom I think is INCREDIBLY unqualified to be leading this country. The man was in the senate *147 DAYS* before running for president!! And then if Obama gets in a plane crash…gets assassinated..we have JOE BIDEN?! are you fucking kidding me?! Almost everytime he's been on record since being picked for VP he's said something COMPLETELY asinine! And above all that…I don't believe in ANY of Obama's policies! His to Bill O'Reilly for not drilling for oil in the US…to relieve the middle class he so much preaches he tends to help out…is because "we have some of the most beautiful real estate in the world" GET FUCKING REAL!! Well I guess when you're Obama and you're the #2 recipient of the big bucks from fannie and freddie…you don't really give a shit if everyone else can afford gas. So the question is…are you really THAT stupid?!
Re: Whatupperez – Not only that, but the validity of Common Sense's argument is undermined by the fact that the Democrats will have control of Congress so what Palin would or wouldn't do is a non-issue. Yet they keep insisting on running Obama against Palin. It just highlights Obama's relative lack of experience.
Re: LusciousLiz – seriously the "he's old" claim is really worn out. ANYONE can die at ANYTIME. So I guess it would be valid for me to point out that Obama could be assassinated and then we are stuck with Biden. As if Obama isn't disastrous enough…