STATE ZITII FRANKLY IM SICK OF BIG GOV TRAILER PARK CONSERVATIVE REPUBLCIANS,YOU CAN LIVE IN LOW RENT AREAS LIKE THE DIXIE CESSPOOL FAR FAR AWAY FROM CIVILIZED AMERICA. STOP THE HATE VOTE NO ON 8 OBAMA/BIDEN 08=THEY'VE COME OUT AGAINST 8 CALIFORNIAS GOVERNOR ARNOLD S HAS COME OUT AGAINST 8 ,ALL THE COALITION OF RABBIS HAVE COME OUT AGAINST 8 AS DID MANY EPISCOPALIAN CHURCHES. NO ON 8
EXACTLY. Shame on anyone who refuses to see the SAME ISSUE going on in CA today. Shame on you. It's just as extreme, it's just as unAmerican, it's just as WRONG and Unthinkable.
What a ridiculous comparison. Gays can have civil unions which are THE SAME FUCKING THING as marriages… except they are called "civil unions". It's fine if you want it to be called "marriage", but don't be a fucking bitch and compare it to that. God you're a whiny gash.
XHOLLA- ARE YOU ACTING LIKE A COURT JESTER BECAUSE YOU DONT SUPPORT THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF GAY PEOPLE,SOMETHING TELLS ME THATS THE CASE OR ELSE YOU WOULDNT HAVE MADE SUCH AN ASS OUT OF YOURSELF, ARE YOU EVEN SUPPORTING OBAMA,YOU SOUND LIKE A KOOK, IM VOTING FOR OBAMA/BIDEN AND I AGREE WITH THEM ON VOTING NO ON 8 ,STOP THE HATE ,NOT ON 8
ok this is a huge exaggeration!! lets not get out of hand here…i understand the point you are trying to make but your issues are below the issues of racial segregation and do not even compare…YES on Prop 8
HOLLA X,SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE RELIGOUS ZEALOTS WHO HIDE BEHIND THE BIBLE TO PROMOTE BIGOTRY AND TAKE AWAY RIGHTS ARE DIFFERENT THEN THE CHRISTIANS WHO THOUGHT THE BIBLE CALLED FOR THEM TO HOLD SLAVES LIKE YOUR ANCESTORS,IS THAT WHAT YOURE SAYING? AND I THINK FOR THE RECORD WHILE MANY WHITE REPUBLICANS ARE VOTING NO ON 8 EVEN THOUGH THEIR PARTY IS BEHIND IT AND GOT IT ON THE BALLOT, THE MAJORITY OF AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE VOTING YES ,AND THATS SOMETHING I WONT FORGIVE.EVER. AND I WONT FORGIVE THE MORMONS AND THEIR 7 WIVES WHO SLEEP WITH THEIR YOUNG KIDS FOR FUNDING THE YES ON 8 SIDE.
THE MARY, ARE YOU AWARE WHILE RIGHTWING SCUM LIKE YOU SPOUT OFF ABOUT GAYS CAN HAVE THEIR CIVIL UNIONS THEY DONT HAVE THOSE IN MOST OF THE 50 STATES,BECAUSE THE REPUBLCIAN PARTY AND THEIR EVENGELICAL AND MORMON TRAILER TRASH BASE FIGHT AND HARASS GAYS AT EVERY TURN ,AND IF THEY HAD THEIR WAY,GAYS WOULD BE TREATED LIKE THEY ARE IN IRAN. SO SPARE ME YOUR BS, WHITE TRASH WHORE. STOP THE HATE ,NO ON 8 OBAMA/BIDEN 08 STOP THE HATE, NO ON 8
"Whats wrong with gay people demanding equal rights? Arn't they American also?"
Marriage is not a right if that's what you're referring to. And why can't they pursue their goals without diminishing other people's struggles and and trying to equate themselves to them. can they not stand on their own
Perhaps this photo might educate those who do not know the history of what Jim Crow (look that term up if you don't know about what it) was all about in this country, i.e., separate is never equal (Brown v. Board of Education, & look that up too). As for what will "it" lead to next, that;s a fear-mongering specious argument. And to be gay may be a choice for some; for most, it is not. Homosexuality is observed in the animal world, too, as in it's "natural." "Normal" means "norm" — it just is. A certain percentage of people are gay. Let them be! As for religion, everyone has the right to practice theirs, but not to make their religion the law of this land, b/c this land is governed by CIVIL laws that demand separation of religion from government, and THAT is why we have FREEDOM in this country. FREEDOM doesn't come from illogical selfish bigoted self serving self justifier circular "reasoners." And it doesn't come from separate laws for some, but not for others!
Are you out of your fucking mind? I love you, Perez, but that's just wrong. Apples to oranges. Where in this fucking world are gay people banned from besides backwards thinking third world muslin countries who hate everyone except other muslim men with beards? You know, the countries the president you purport to support who wants to be their "friend." You love England so much (and so do I), but go there and try to get married. Jesusfuckingchrist. You have crossed the line this time.
Re: grader44 – Oh well I wouldn't want to mess with that intellect! I mean basic common sense, you don't need to be a genius to possess that. Again your doomsday theory of "the polygamists will be allowed marriage" may become an issue in 50 years. Whatever, let society decide on that then. People say they are protecting marriage? from what? Nazi's on dinosaurs? the divorce rate got the way it is without gays, so just get over it and let those that love each marry. Love builds a family - remember that.
Re: knowitall – Hey fuckwit, just to let you know… only cum guzzling ass rapists type in all caps. I mean that with all due respect.
And FYI, I'm not rightwing or leftwing. I think both McCain and Obama are doucheclogs.
I'm not mormon or christian, I just think that comparing the right to be married to the segregation of blacks is alarmist, irresponsible, and ridiculous.
I'm also more concerned with issues like OHHHHHHH let's see… the economy that is anal fissuring as we complain, the environment which is gasping for a fucking breath, and the fact that nomatter who I vote for it won't make a bit of difference.
to anyone who is saying this is extreme…
the way i interpret this is that back then, the gov said segregation was separate but equal, even though the facilities were not equal…
what this graphic is implying is that some are trying to convince us that marriage and civil unions are equal even though they are not, so that is how the two are connected…
Re: babyquasar –
religious belief has NOTHING to do with gay marriage on the political level
not ALL marriages take place in a church!!!!
i cannot stand it when people think this is a religious issue!! people can still get married in town hall or by a judge or whatever and its still a marriage, that has nothing to do with church!!!
Re: MissAvery –
being gay is not a choice!!!!! do you really think gay people would go through all the shit they deal with if they could just choose NOT to be gay?!
Here are some myths that need to be busted because some of you really scare me.
1) One does not choose to be gay just like one does not choose to be heterosexual.
2) Civil unions are not the same as marriages because marriages benefit from many legal technicalities
3) Marriage is NOT a christian tradition. It was there long before that. Your right of religion is your own business but don't mix your faith (which many of us do not share) with the law.
4) Children do not ”turn” gay because they are exposed to gay people. All psychological research shows that being exposed to gay people only makes children more tolerant which in turn decreases hatred.
5) Homosexuality and paraphilias are not the same thing. One is between two consenting people of the same age (or of legal age) who love each other and who do not hurt anyone. The other is not.
6) Denying gays the right to marry will not help your heterosexual families do any better. Divorce and extramarital affairs are sky high at the moment. Concentrate on your own life and let others be.
Re: guitarchild –
i really cannot believe that some people still do not understand the concept of separation of church and state!!!
no one is saying you have to let gays get married in your intolerant church!
marriage is a legal issue! you can have a legal marriage and not a religious marriage in order to be legit, but you cant have a religious marriage without a legal one
think about that with your tiny mind
i think the purpose of this post was not to imply that the discrimination of proposition 8 is the same extent as segregation during the American civil rights movement, i think what is tying to be communicated is that the prospect is the same.
i think the message is that denying people, of any of their rights, enhances segregation in america and in the world. in being denied their right to marry, gay people are being excluded of the basic human right of equality.
how can we all pretend that we are each equal when there is a vast majority of people who are not allowed to marry or adopt children. i think in the 21st century this is truly ridiculous. the problem, and the concern with this proposition, is that people are not viewing it with enough seriousness. to say that it is not on the same level as the severe and disgusting discrimination in America in the 50s and 60s is to some degree a fair comment, however, to display enough ignorance to completely ignore the issue is a real threat to American civil rights and should be a cause for concern.
I'm from Australia, so really my opinion doesn't count what so ever.
But this picture REALLY puts it in perspective.
My mum is a homosexual, and I have many homosexual friends,
and like Ellen said we should learn to love people for who they are
and respect who they love.
"Prop 8 denies a group of people the fundamental right which is guaranteed in the bill of rights which is the pursuit of happiness."
Exactly! Or if you want to be more specific go visit our U.S. Constitution and see the Fourteenth Amendment which states:
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
MARY AND YOUR HIDEOUS CUM GUZZLING LIPS,WOW THATS SOME LOW CLASS LIPS, NOW IF YOU CARED ABOUT OTHER ISSUES YOU SCUMBAG BIGOTED CNT YOU WOULDNT PIPE IN ABOUT"HOW GAYS CAN HAVE THEIR CIVIL UNIONS" WHICH THEY DONT THANKS TO REPUBLICANS AND WHITE TRASH IN YOUR FAMILY.. SO AS LONG AS WE'RE CLEAR THAT GAYS DONT HAVE CIVIL RIGHTS IN MOST OF THE STATES WE CAN MOVE ON. AND YOU'RE RIGHT THE REPUBLICAN CA SUPREME COURT SAID THAT GAYS SHOULDNT BE TREATED LIKE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARRY ,ISSUE OVER. BUT NO VERMIN REICHWING SCUM LIKE YOU HAD TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DEMONIZE AND LIE ABOUT GAY PEOPLE TO OVERTURN THOUSANDS OF MARRIAGES. SO SPARE ME YOU ROTTING CANCEROUR WHORE VOTE NO ON 8 SAY NO TO HATE OBAMA/BIDEN 08
MARY AND YOUR HIDEOUS CUM GUZZLING LIPS,WOW THATS SOME LOW CLASS LIPS, NOW IF YOU CARED ABOUT OTHER ISSUES YOU SCUMBAG BIGOTED CNT YOU WOULDNT PIPE IN ABOUT"HOW GAYS CAN HAVE THEIR CIVIL UNIONS" WHICH THEY DONT THANKS TO REPUBLICANS AND WHITE TRASH IN YOUR FAMILY.. SO AS LONG AS WE'RE CLEAR THAT GAYS DONT HAVE CIVIL RIGHTS IN MOST OF THE STATES WE CAN MOVE ON. AND YOU'RE RIGHT THE REPUBLICAN CA SUPREME COURT SAID THAT GAYS SHOULDNT BE TREATED LIKE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARRY ,ISSUE OVER. BUT NO, VERMIN REICHWING SCUM LIKE YOU HAD TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DEMONIZE AND LIE ABOUT GAY PEOPLE TO OVERTURN THOUSANDS OF MARRIAGES. SO SPARE ME YOU ROTTING CANCEROUS WHORE VOTE NO ON 8 SAY NO TO HATE OBAMA/BIDEN 08
i dont really think the comparison is so extreme… i've thought about this myself a lot and back when there was segregation between white and black people most people didn't find it extreme… it was normal. maybe in 50 years when people get over their homophobia it will seem extreme to us that gay people used to be treated differently than straight people.
Re: xhollax –
We can be soooo ignorant sometimes just because you and i are accepting of homos…. the homophobes are not!!! they are disgusted by homos and there is NO END too how these people will treat the gay and lesbian community. If they saw two gay guys kissing and holding hands on street, at a restaurant etc think long and hard about what they would do to these innocent human beings!
Prop 8 is more than equality!!!!!!!!!! its freedom.
IF FOR SOME UGLY REASON THE HATEFUL YES ON 8 SIDE WINS, WE WILL GATHER SIGNATURES TO OVERTURN IT IN THE ELECTION IN 2 YEARS. ITS NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL GAYS HAVE ALL THE SAME RIGHTS. SORRY UGLY REPUBLICAN NAZIS IF YOU DONT LIKE OUR FREEDOMS MOVE TO IRAN.
Re: knowitall – Dear Numb Cunt Gash, I was already voting "NO" on 8. It's going to take more than an idiot sheep like you to get me to vote for either Presidential candidate however. Also, why don't YOU move the fuck to Iran? Piss off. Your stupidy feels like a hemorrhoid. By the way, I already called YOU a cum guzzler. Get your own comebacks and while you're at it learn how to spell. I also find it ironic that you are saying "Say no to hate" lol I will bet that the hypocracy is lost on your ignorant ass. Well, have fun stuffing a dildo up your ass the rest of the night!
OMG i'm from the UK and thank god i am.. I cannot believe the total extremes of the views on here!! Gay marriage should be legal.. religion has nothing to do with most marriages nowadays so what is the bloody problem?! America is the country that thought racism was perfectly acceptable and apparently believe in all forms of discrimination! I am shocked that in this day and age people are still so narrow minded to try and enforce their believes on others. If gay marriage is legal how the fuck is it going to affect straight peoples marriages?? IT ISN'T concentrate on your own life and your own happpiness and give people the right to enjoy their own rights and happiness.
LAND OF THE FREE MY FUCKING ARSE! come to England and learn a little about respect.. but to be honest you wouldn't be welcome.
I'm Black and gay and it's not even on the same level it's so sad that gays continue with this comparition it's not even close we can drink out the same fountains as stright people and go to the same restruants black people could not to compare it's hurtful gays we do have more rights than black people did in the fifty's and sixty's so it should be stop i'm just saying
Re: Sweetmomma – Are gays left with no choice but to leave their country if they fall in love with a foreigner to be with them? Ooh,… wait they ARE! Dumbass
Perez, are you kidding me? When they start bombing your houses, hanging you on a tree, dragging your body down the road, killing you for being black, all for the right to vote and basic civil rights. I'm insulted you put that picture there as a comparison to the struggle of black people to California Marriage Protection Act.
christians should rightfully love any homosexuals they encounter instead of segregate them because jesus loves everyone.
also, i'm not sure if its just me but i haven't seen any waterfountains labelled strictly for homosexual's use.
Re: Shawn Suarez – I agree with everything you said apart from the being gay thing. This is a sorry excuse to say we cannot make our own decision and I do not believe in being "born gay." Too many gay people use that as an excuse to defend their homosexuality. I am gay myself but I do not claim to be "born gay." Its a stupid overly liberal idea which has been blown out of proportion. None of the research done has actually found a gay gene and any reports of such have pretty much been fabricated.
Re: Lainey Loo – LOL LOL LOL LOL YOU ARE RETARTED!!!! JUST PLAIN RETARTED! How can gay's not being able to marry be racism?!?! GOD, i just LOVE how people are so quick to throughout the word racist whenever someone is treated unfairly. And perez you are a fucking asshole for this one. I will no longer visit this website because of this one. THE RIGHTS OF AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE NOT THE SAME FOR GAY RIGHTS! I HATE that gay rights activist quote MLK Jr for their argument. Here's the TRUTH: There are a lot of gay people out there whom you may never know is gay (if they choose not to come out to the whole world) but there are NO african americans whom can hide from being black. RACE IS THE FIRST THING YOU ALWAYS SEE! I'm all for gay rights but this just crossed the line. Goodbye forever Perez and hello TMZ
Re: MissAvery – Oh my God. Being gay is not a choice, and it's people who think it is and who popularise such myths that have set back gay rights for decades. It's not a choice. You are born gay, bisexual or straight, and nothing and no one can change that. Sure, you can experiment any which way you like, but being gay and dating a girl doesn't magically mean you love women and are sexually attracted to them. You make me sick.
Re: State ziti –
i don't think they did "flip a switch". also tom cruise? anyway. they would have been born with that. because society makes it difficult or doesn't deem it acceptable may have been the reason Lindsay Lohan decided not to have a relationship with a woman before now. you don't know what happened earlier in life. her feelings towards other women. being gay is not a choice. you are born that way.
i feel all of this all the way. i'm native, been segregated from the rest of the world and have been put in a community, and if i move out of this community, i lose all my native rights. but i'm also gay. so ya know.
Re: guitarchild – in Leviticus, which is the Old Testament - you know, the testament that all you Christians are happy to ignore until it comes to "gay marriage is wrong". In the same sentence as that is stated, it also says you shouldn't eat meat, but I bet you're quite happy to chow down on a McD's, right? There is NOTHING in the new testament that says anything about gay marriage. Outwith Leviticus, the only thing it was thought to have said was "two men shall not lay down together", but had recently been proven to have been mistranslated and actually reads "one woman shall not lay down with two men". Get your facts straight before you come here pretending to be some pious Christian when you clearly only know what you've gleaned from other people and haven't actually read a god damn word of it.
Ok this is just retarded, gays have not experienced anything that blacks went through in this country. You can hide being gay, you cannot hide the color of your skin. To compare the two is just ignorant. I agree with gay rights but step back a bit before you post again.
Re: State ziti – It would seem that way to you because Lindsay was clearly confused before. Anyone with half a mind could see that - she was doing drugs, behaving erratically and sleeping around until she started dating Samantha - all of a sudden no drugs, not much drink, and she's behaving herself. Doesn't that spell out settled behaviour to you, whereas originally it seemed confused and trying to "fill a gap"? It's not a choice, it's a realisation. We're all brought up in this day and age to believe that being straight is normal and that's what we should be - so we assume we are and then will be confused by any other feeling to the contrary. That's why people stay closeted for so long. We need openess in our society so that people who are gay can be open about it early and live happy, fulfilled lives with the same rights as everyone else.
I feel it is similar. Im married to a blackman and 41 years ago in the state I live in it was illegal for us to get married. At that time, it was considered disgusting for us to be married just as it is for the gay community now. In that sense. By no means is what the gay community has to endure now any comparison to what slavery did to African Americans. But in this sense I can see the similarities
Yes I would agree that this statement is a tad "out there" but the statement is true.
Prop 8 poses the threat of creating a second class, instead of unification. And to those that argue that it is completely different, because Prop 8 doesn't take away BASIC rights, you are sadly mistaken.
Prop 8 takes away the pursuit of happiness. Basic enough for you?
"No one ought to harm another in his life, liberty, or possessions."
Prop H8 takes away the freedom of Americans. Why are we denying our citizens the one appeal of this great country? Freedom and liberty! Besides, for all those complaining about how gay marriage is against religion…. WE HAVE A SECULARIZED GOVERNMENT!!! NO individual's RELIGIOUS beliefs should influence the way the COUNTRY is run.
There's noting worse than a white liberal who believes homophobia is somehow not as bad as racism. That's why heterosexuals rarely get involved with the fight for gay rights, yet they tell themselves they would have marched with King at Selma. They are both equally evil forms of discrimination. It is a slippery slope. I am a white heterosexual disgusted with people like "Two Goofballs" who try to dismiss the seriousness of prop 8 and its implications for all our freedoms. Right on, Perez!
Re: xhollax – What's sick is you refuse to see the parallels. What's even more sick is you refuse to see the many many hate crimes, including deaths, that have occurred to your fellow countrymen because your country is so back asswards. This issue goes far beyond equal marriage. It goes to equal rights. Too bad you're too blinding by stupidity to get that fact. Worse, too bad your country is so far behind so many of the more advanced countries. If John McCain gets in, you fully deserve another 4 years of hell. Have fun in the "Land of Freedom" Idiot.
I understand the comparison…and understand why people are offended. The bottom line is both sides have been repressed. The LBGT side maybe not has much or as extreme as African Americans in this country(look what they do in middle eastern countries) but that does not take away the pain and fear some people go through. Also the justifed RAcism through religion…check your history!
Re: MissAvery – Being gay is not CHOICE YOU DIMWITTED PRODUCT OF SHITTY SCHOOLING. wHY DON'T YOU DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND STOP LISTENING TO THE RIGHT WING MEDIA IN YOUR SHITTY COUNTRY.
Re: Shawn Suarez – Shawn, just move. You are in a country fuelled by murder (the native American genocide) and hatred, which is freely spewed by politicians and the media. Get out and move to a more progressive country. Your fellow citizens are complete assholes.
it's two different discrimatory practices . . . but I can see merit as far as the extremity of both types
yes . . . blacks were murdered, denied an education, and openly attacked but so have gays . . . to a lesser extent . . . but it exists. Gay men and women have been systematically beaten, murdered, denied emplyment and alienated all because of what they do behind closed doors. They have been labeled as child molesters and there has even been suggestion that they be castrated to prevent them from "recriuting others."
black people had a seperate water fountain . . . but if you compare it to Prop 8 . . . they at least had a water fountain!
If prop 8 passes then gays will have no outlet to legally protect their partner's right to provide insurance, handle medical issues, insurance, assests . . .
It would be like telling black people in 1940 "this founitain is for whites and we aren't even going to let you drink water AT ALL from any source"
. . . and for those of you who claim Prop 8 is about religious beliefs keep this in mind . . . MANY racist organizations, both past and present, also use(d) religion as a guise to spread their message of hate against those of color.
I never leave comments on here, but this is just too much. While I believe in equality for everyone, and that all Californians should vote no to proposition 8 this struggle should never be compared to the struggle of the segregation. It is 2 different instances. I can never hide the fact that I'm black when I walk through the door its there, however you really don't know someone is gay until they tell you, you can assume but you never know until that person tells you. I know struggle is tough for equal rights for LGBT community specifically for marriage, but this situation is it's own struggle and should not be compared. For more insight read about James Baldwin, a writer, activist 50s 60s 70s, oh and he happened to be black and gay.
Re: *Buff* – re: post 139. If homosexuality is "normal", then why don't we all become gay and the end of the human race will begin. You're argument is ridiculous. Yes, I do believe that people are born gay. But, to characterize it as normal is not true. Babies are born with mental and physical defects. Is that normal?
Wow! So many comments on this page I don't know where to start.
While I agree that the two have many differences, I think the core ideals are the same. You shouldn't be discriminated against for things that are innate. You cannot help what color you are and contrary to what some people said, you do not "choose" to be gay. You are born that way. I did not choose to be straight. During no part of my life did someone lay the choices out for me, "Okay, you can either be straight, bisexual or homosexual. What's your choice?" All I knew is that I was attracted to boys. It's the same way with bisexual or homosexuals. Only a bible-thumping twit would say that it is a choice. What sensible person would chose to be discriminated against? To have their equal rights denied? That is asinine to even suggest that.
And to some of you who said that gays aren't abused or mistreated, are seriously mistaken. That's like saying racism doesn't exist anymore. My husband and I live in a pretty conservative town and we just recently went to a protest concerning a young gay man who was beaten within an inch of his life after leaving a bar. The cops didn't thoroughly investigate the case and one of the officers went as far as to suggest that the victim was "asking for it" because of his "flamboyant" personality. I suggest you research gay hate crimes before you say that gays aren't "abused."
Good point No Patience. Those laws were called miscegnation laws and they did forbid blacks and whites from marrying. How is this different? The Supreme Court decided then that the government doesn't have a right to decide who can and cannot get married. This is the same damn thing.
Segregation happened because whites thought black people were contaminated and low-class people. This is the same message if Prop 8 passes. It is saying you are contaminated and we will not let you get married because God doesn't approve of you (like any mortal here on Earth could possibly know that) and we're better and our union can be legally/spiritually recognized as a marriage.
And to those that say racism wasn't based on religion are wrong. Back in the 1600's when slavery was first introduced in America, people justified slavery based on the fact that black in an evil color and they must be the devil's heathens. After slavery was abolished, hate crimes continued and the legal system found loopholes to keep African Americans from having equal rights. The main point I am trying to make is that the whole thing was based on religious beliefs. So religious beliefs don't always lead you in the best direction.
Whether it's your age, race, sex, or sexual orientation, discrimination (especially that which our government encourages by its legislation) is never okay.
How DARE you equate the injustice that is perpetrated upon the Black Man to you being unable to get married? As a Black Man, I am faced with racism, hatred and violence daily because of the wickedness of the White Devil. You, sir, are a celebrity and have no such struggle. You are a racist for even mentioning this. This is why you White People must be exterminated. Racism must be stopped.
VICTORY THROUGH OBAMA! PRAISE TO OUR SAVIOR FOREVER! DEATH TO ISRAEL!
Re: *Buff* – re: post 139. If being a homosexual is "normal", then why don't we all become gay and then the human race will cease to exist. I believe that people are born gay, but you can't characterize it as normal. If you say it's normal just because people are born that way, then can you say that babies born with mental and physical defects are normal????? I don't think so.
Re: grader44 – The White Man is so wicked and sick that after gay marriage they will want the right to marry their child, their dog, a tree, a car, a mailbox, etc.
How would you like it if I said it this way Perez: after gay marriage is legalized, how soon until you White People are allowed to enslave us again?
Re: moonatics – You teach your first graders about sex? This is why you White People are fucking sick! I bet you also teach them about how wonderful and awesome the Jews are right?
This website makes me realize I live in a country full of ignorant assholes. Good job, people. Hope some of you guys aren't raising little backwoods racist children. I feel sorry for them having stupids for parents.
I agree with Perez. A person is a person, it doesn't matter what your skin colour or sexual preference is. I don't think he's trying to make out it's on a level with slavery, just that EVERYBODY should have EQUAL rights, which at the moment they don't.
Being a gay african american I see the point this is making, eventhough taking away the right to be married isn't as severe as racial segregation it may only just be the being.
you are beyond a scum sucking puke. how fucking dare you put gays not being able to marry on the same level as the horrific acts blacks have had to endure. you are one of the most disgusting pigs on the planet. I'm forwarding this to Barack's best buddy Farrakhan who is well outspoken on his hate of whites, jews and GAYS. Let's see what happens when he see's a gay man likening prop 8 to slavery and torture. you are a stupid shit sucking puke perez.
Bit of an over-exaggeration to compare prop 8 with segregation. Gays have a lot more rights than African-Americans did. Why don't you just put a picture of Hitler and Palin on a split screen now. You're just another z-list "celebrity" who thinks the Hollywood crowd actually influences the public.
perez, don't be a fukard and bring up old shit. those people that treated black people like that were nothing but hybrids,part devil
and part human..it's not our fukard fault.
Re: ObamaistheMessiah – I'm guessing you're a great filthy troll, and I shouldn't feed you, but just in case you're not: "racism must be stopped" in the same paragraph as referring to white people as the "white devil" and saying they must all be killed brings the lolz.
You know, I will never ever get why people dislike gays. It's beyond me…
and while this comparision is a bit…controversial, I can see what Perez was saying. And to all those people who say it's on a whole other level - in some ways yes, it is. But you know what? Doesn't mean gays AREN'T beaten, and AREN'T discriminated against. and really…what's to stop it from happening, hm? You can't tell me that it won't. Because it easily could, because so many people breed hate. Who's to say being gay won't become illegal? It's a terrible thought sure, but if people continue to do stupid things like this, and continue to think in closed minded ways, it could easily happen.
You act as though getting married is going to make the world explode. All a marriage is is a celebration. You say you want to keep it 'sacred'? Please, if the two people love each other I don't think it's gonna matter a whole lot.
Really, vote yes on prop 8. I dare you. Really, I do. I hope you feel happy and fulfilled. I hope you go to bed and say to yourself, - "well! heh, I'm sure going to heaven yup! "
Because really…I doubt it's going to be passed anyway. We can only hope that there are enough people out there who know that's it's not right to do this type of thing. Yes, gays can vote…can do a lot of things.
FIRST OF ALL …..WTF to all of you people that do not understand this picture! I've read comments like - what does this pic mean? and What state was this made for? DO YOU NOT KNOW AMERICAN HISTORY???? Anyway - BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE to (someone said it was) HOWEVER This is in no way, shape or form anything remotely close to what the African American's endured during the times after slavery was abolished. If I were African American, I would be really pissed that someone would try to equate gays not being able to marry to my ancestors being hung, burned, losing there houses, and segregated as 2nd class citizens. C'mon Perez, this was a little too far.
Re: xhollax – said: I hope you're not equating the evil that was committed against African Americans in this country (segregation, having their homes burnt down, being burnt alive and hung from trees) to gays not being able to marry. If so that is absolutely sick.
Why not? There have been many gays and lesbians that have had similar things happen to them; being dragged down a road tied to the bumpers of trucks, homes broken into and vandalized, defacated on, and many other things. HOWEVER, gays and lesbians do still have the rights to the same education, rights to vote, and don't have other types of segregations placed against them.
I may not agree with some things due to my religious beliefs, but I also don't agree with individuals being treated as second- or third-class citizens just because they may be "different."
And btw - I'm an Obama-Biden supporter; McCain and Palin have serious mental/emotional issues where they believe that they have the right to control how people are supposed to be, rather than how God created them to be. Everyone is different because that is the way He created us to be, not because that's how *we* said that we are.
STATE ZITII FRANKLY IM SICK OF BIG GOV TRAILER PARK CONSERVATIVE REPUBLCIANS,YOU CAN LIVE IN LOW RENT AREAS LIKE THE DIXIE CESSPOOL FAR FAR AWAY FROM CIVILIZED AMERICA. STOP THE HATE VOTE NO ON 8 OBAMA/BIDEN 08=THEY'VE COME OUT AGAINST 8 CALIFORNIAS GOVERNOR ARNOLD S HAS COME OUT AGAINST 8 ,ALL THE COALITION OF RABBIS HAVE COME OUT AGAINST 8 AS DID MANY EPISCOPALIAN CHURCHES. NO ON 8
"If I was black I would be infuriated with this comparison. "
I am black and I am infuriated. This is absolutely sick.
EXACTLY. Shame on anyone who refuses to see the SAME ISSUE going on in CA today. Shame on you. It's just as extreme, it's just as unAmerican, it's just as WRONG and Unthinkable.
change is on the way!!!
"EXACTLY. Shame on anyone who refuses to see the SAME ISSUE going on in CA today. "
I know right. Shame on anyone who doesn't see the mass lynchings of gays in california.
What a ridiculous comparison. Gays can have civil unions which are THE SAME FUCKING THING as marriages… except they are called "civil unions". It's fine if you want it to be called "marriage", but don't be a fucking bitch and compare it to that. God you're a whiny gash.
Re: Lainey Loo – "exactly
the reason for gays not being able to marry is racism. "
Are you fucking retarded?
XHOLLA- ARE YOU ACTING LIKE A COURT JESTER BECAUSE YOU DONT SUPPORT THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF GAY PEOPLE,SOMETHING TELLS ME THATS THE CASE OR ELSE YOU WOULDNT HAVE MADE SUCH AN ASS OUT OF YOURSELF, ARE YOU EVEN SUPPORTING OBAMA,YOU SOUND LIKE A KOOK, IM VOTING FOR OBAMA/BIDEN AND I AGREE WITH THEM ON VOTING NO ON 8 ,STOP THE HATE ,NOT ON 8
Re: StratMan172 – I completely agree with you! i was thinking the exact same things! YES ON PROP 8!!!!
ok this is a huge exaggeration!! lets not get out of hand here…i understand the point you are trying to make but your issues are below the issues of racial segregation and do not even compare…YES on Prop 8
HOLLA X,SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE RELIGOUS ZEALOTS WHO HIDE BEHIND THE BIBLE TO PROMOTE BIGOTRY AND TAKE AWAY RIGHTS ARE DIFFERENT THEN THE CHRISTIANS WHO THOUGHT THE BIBLE CALLED FOR THEM TO HOLD SLAVES LIKE YOUR ANCESTORS,IS THAT WHAT YOURE SAYING? AND I THINK FOR THE RECORD WHILE MANY WHITE REPUBLICANS ARE VOTING NO ON 8 EVEN THOUGH THEIR PARTY IS BEHIND IT AND GOT IT ON THE BALLOT, THE MAJORITY OF AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE VOTING YES ,AND THATS SOMETHING I WONT FORGIVE.EVER. AND I WONT FORGIVE THE MORMONS AND THEIR 7 WIVES WHO SLEEP WITH THEIR YOUNG KIDS FOR FUNDING THE YES ON 8 SIDE.
THE MARY, ARE YOU AWARE WHILE RIGHTWING SCUM LIKE YOU SPOUT OFF ABOUT GAYS CAN HAVE THEIR CIVIL UNIONS THEY DONT HAVE THOSE IN MOST OF THE 50 STATES,BECAUSE THE REPUBLCIAN PARTY AND THEIR EVENGELICAL AND MORMON TRAILER TRASH BASE FIGHT AND HARASS GAYS AT EVERY TURN ,AND IF THEY HAD THEIR WAY,GAYS WOULD BE TREATED LIKE THEY ARE IN IRAN. SO SPARE ME YOUR BS, WHITE TRASH WHORE. STOP THE HATE ,NO ON 8 OBAMA/BIDEN 08 STOP THE HATE, NO ON 8
"Whats wrong with gay people demanding equal rights? Arn't they American also?"
Marriage is not a right if that's what you're referring to. And why can't they pursue their goals without diminishing other people's struggles and and trying to equate themselves to them. can they not stand on their own
Re: State ziti – You are so full of it. Whats the point of arguing with someone who makes shit up.
Perhaps this photo might educate those who do not know the history of what Jim Crow (look that term up if you don't know about what it) was all about in this country, i.e., separate is never equal (Brown v. Board of Education, & look that up too). As for what will "it" lead to next, that;s a fear-mongering specious argument. And to be gay may be a choice for some; for most, it is not. Homosexuality is observed in the animal world, too, as in it's "natural." "Normal" means "norm" — it just is. A certain percentage of people are gay. Let them be! As for religion, everyone has the right to practice theirs, but not to make their religion the law of this land, b/c this land is governed by CIVIL laws that demand separation of religion from government, and THAT is why we have FREEDOM in this country. FREEDOM doesn't come from illogical selfish bigoted self serving self justifier circular "reasoners." And it doesn't come from separate laws for some, but not for others!
Are you out of your fucking mind? I love you, Perez, but that's just wrong. Apples to oranges. Where in this fucking world are gay people banned from besides backwards thinking third world muslin countries who hate everyone except other muslim men with beards? You know, the countries the president you purport to support who wants to be their "friend." You love England so much (and so do I), but go there and try to get married. Jesusfuckingchrist. You have crossed the line this time.
Re: grader44 – Oh well I wouldn't want to mess with that intellect! I mean basic common sense, you don't need to be a genius to possess that. Again your doomsday theory of "the polygamists will be allowed marriage" may become an issue in 50 years. Whatever, let society decide on that then. People say they are protecting marriage? from what? Nazi's on dinosaurs? the divorce rate got the way it is without gays, so just get over it and let those that love each marry. Love builds a family - remember that.
Re: knowitall – Hey fuckwit, just to let you know… only cum guzzling ass rapists type in all caps. I mean that with all due respect.
And FYI, I'm not rightwing or leftwing. I think both McCain and Obama are doucheclogs.
I'm not mormon or christian, I just think that comparing the right to be married to the segregation of blacks is alarmist, irresponsible, and ridiculous.
I'm also more concerned with issues like OHHHHHHH let's see… the economy that is anal fissuring as we complain, the environment which is gasping for a fucking breath, and the fact that nomatter who I vote for it won't make a bit of difference.
to anyone who is saying this is extreme…
the way i interpret this is that back then, the gov said segregation was separate but equal, even though the facilities were not equal…
what this graphic is implying is that some are trying to convince us that marriage and civil unions are equal even though they are not, so that is how the two are connected…
Re: babyquasar –
religious belief has NOTHING to do with gay marriage on the political level
not ALL marriages take place in a church!!!!
i cannot stand it when people think this is a religious issue!! people can still get married in town hall or by a judge or whatever and its still a marriage, that has nothing to do with church!!!
Re: MissAvery –
being gay is not a choice!!!!! do you really think gay people would go through all the shit they deal with if they could just choose NOT to be gay?!
You're "Just Sayin'" and I'm "Just agreein'."
Vote NO! on Prop Hate!
Re: Sweetmomma –
my point exactly…im glad to see someone understands where i am coming from
Re: *_* Face –
please dont pray for me if it is going to turn me into a close minded jerk like you!!!
Here are some myths that need to be busted because some of you really scare me.
1) One does not choose to be gay just like one does not choose to be heterosexual.
2) Civil unions are not the same as marriages because marriages benefit from many legal technicalities
3) Marriage is NOT a christian tradition. It was there long before that. Your right of religion is your own business but don't mix your faith (which many of us do not share) with the law.
4) Children do not ”turn” gay because they are exposed to gay people. All psychological research shows that being exposed to gay people only makes children more tolerant which in turn decreases hatred.
5) Homosexuality and paraphilias are not the same thing. One is between two consenting people of the same age (or of legal age) who love each other and who do not hurt anyone. The other is not.
6) Denying gays the right to marry will not help your heterosexual families do any better. Divorce and extramarital affairs are sky high at the moment. Concentrate on your own life and let others be.
Hey, what people do/suck/finger in the privacy of their own rooms is OK by me! But that white vs. colored thing is funny as shit!
Re: guitarchild –
i really cannot believe that some people still do not understand the concept of separation of church and state!!!
no one is saying you have to let gays get married in your intolerant church!
marriage is a legal issue! you can have a legal marriage and not a religious marriage in order to be legit, but you cant have a religious marriage without a legal one
think about that with your tiny mind
i think the purpose of this post was not to imply that the discrimination of proposition 8 is the same extent as segregation during the American civil rights movement, i think what is tying to be communicated is that the prospect is the same.
i think the message is that denying people, of any of their rights, enhances segregation in america and in the world. in being denied their right to marry, gay people are being excluded of the basic human right of equality.
how can we all pretend that we are each equal when there is a vast majority of people who are not allowed to marry or adopt children. i think in the 21st century this is truly ridiculous. the problem, and the concern with this proposition, is that people are not viewing it with enough seriousness. to say that it is not on the same level as the severe and disgusting discrimination in America in the 50s and 60s is to some degree a fair comment, however, to display enough ignorance to completely ignore the issue is a real threat to American civil rights and should be a cause for concern.
I'm from Australia, so really my opinion doesn't count what so ever.
But this picture REALLY puts it in perspective.
My mum is a homosexual, and I have many homosexual friends,
and like Ellen said we should learn to love people for who they are
and respect who they love.
Good Luck America.
x
Not the same.
Re: crazy_cait –
"Prop 8 denies a group of people the fundamental right which is guaranteed in the bill of rights which is the pursuit of happiness."
Exactly! Or if you want to be more specific go visit our U.S. Constitution and see the Fourteenth Amendment which states:
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
MARY AND YOUR HIDEOUS CUM GUZZLING LIPS,WOW THATS SOME LOW CLASS LIPS, NOW IF YOU CARED ABOUT OTHER ISSUES YOU SCUMBAG BIGOTED CNT YOU WOULDNT PIPE IN ABOUT"HOW GAYS CAN HAVE THEIR CIVIL UNIONS" WHICH THEY DONT THANKS TO REPUBLICANS AND WHITE TRASH IN YOUR FAMILY.. SO AS LONG AS WE'RE CLEAR THAT GAYS DONT HAVE CIVIL RIGHTS IN MOST OF THE STATES WE CAN MOVE ON. AND YOU'RE RIGHT THE REPUBLICAN CA SUPREME COURT SAID THAT GAYS SHOULDNT BE TREATED LIKE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARRY ,ISSUE OVER. BUT NO VERMIN REICHWING SCUM LIKE YOU HAD TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DEMONIZE AND LIE ABOUT GAY PEOPLE TO OVERTURN THOUSANDS OF MARRIAGES. SO SPARE ME YOU ROTTING CANCEROUR WHORE VOTE NO ON 8 SAY NO TO HATE OBAMA/BIDEN 08
MARY AND YOUR HIDEOUS CUM GUZZLING LIPS,WOW THATS SOME LOW CLASS LIPS, NOW IF YOU CARED ABOUT OTHER ISSUES YOU SCUMBAG BIGOTED CNT YOU WOULDNT PIPE IN ABOUT"HOW GAYS CAN HAVE THEIR CIVIL UNIONS" WHICH THEY DONT THANKS TO REPUBLICANS AND WHITE TRASH IN YOUR FAMILY.. SO AS LONG AS WE'RE CLEAR THAT GAYS DONT HAVE CIVIL RIGHTS IN MOST OF THE STATES WE CAN MOVE ON. AND YOU'RE RIGHT THE REPUBLICAN CA SUPREME COURT SAID THAT GAYS SHOULDNT BE TREATED LIKE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARRY ,ISSUE OVER. BUT NO, VERMIN REICHWING SCUM LIKE YOU HAD TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DEMONIZE AND LIE ABOUT GAY PEOPLE TO OVERTURN THOUSANDS OF MARRIAGES. SO SPARE ME YOU ROTTING CANCEROUS WHORE VOTE NO ON 8 SAY NO TO HATE OBAMA/BIDEN 08
Re: The Mary –
civil unions are NOT the same as marriages
please do some research before you vote
I invite anyone who thinks homosexuality is a choice to open up their small minds and accept the vast research that claims otherwise.
this is an extreme comparison, no doubt, but it IS legitimate. there is not denying it.
That picture makes me cringe…hope everyone will vote no on prop 8
i dont really think the comparison is so extreme… i've thought about this myself a lot and back when there was segregation between white and black people most people didn't find it extreme… it was normal. maybe in 50 years when people get over their homophobia it will seem extreme to us that gay people used to be treated differently than straight people.
i don't get it? maybe coz i'm from new zealand..
i dont get it either, maybe its also because i live in australia
Re: xhollax –
We can be soooo ignorant sometimes just because you and i are accepting of homos…. the homophobes are not!!! they are disgusted by homos and there is NO END too how these people will treat the gay and lesbian community. If they saw two gay guys kissing and holding hands on street, at a restaurant etc think long and hard about what they would do to these innocent human beings!
Prop 8 is more than equality!!!!!!!!!! its freedom.
IF FOR SOME UGLY REASON THE HATEFUL YES ON 8 SIDE WINS, WE WILL GATHER SIGNATURES TO OVERTURN IT IN THE ELECTION IN 2 YEARS. ITS NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL GAYS HAVE ALL THE SAME RIGHTS. SORRY UGLY REPUBLICAN NAZIS IF YOU DONT LIKE OUR FREEDOMS MOVE TO IRAN.
Re: knowitall –
Nice…well said!
Re: knowitall – Dear Numb Cunt Gash, I was already voting "NO" on 8. It's going to take more than an idiot sheep like you to get me to vote for either Presidential candidate however. Also, why don't YOU move the fuck to Iran? Piss off. Your stupidy feels like a hemorrhoid. By the way, I already called YOU a cum guzzler. Get your own comebacks and while you're at it learn how to spell. I also find it ironic that you are saying "Say no to hate" lol I will bet that the hypocracy is lost on your ignorant ass. Well, have fun stuffing a dildo up your ass the rest of the night!
OMG i'm from the UK and thank god i am.. I cannot believe the total extremes of the views on here!! Gay marriage should be legal.. religion has nothing to do with most marriages nowadays so what is the bloody problem?! America is the country that thought racism was perfectly acceptable and apparently believe in all forms of discrimination! I am shocked that in this day and age people are still so narrow minded to try and enforce their believes on others. If gay marriage is legal how the fuck is it going to affect straight peoples marriages?? IT ISN'T concentrate on your own life and your own happpiness and give people the right to enjoy their own rights and happiness.
LAND OF THE FREE MY FUCKING ARSE! come to England and learn a little about respect.. but to be honest you wouldn't be welcome.
Re: The Mary –
lol crack me up!! take a chill pill or 2
I'm Black and gay and it's not even on the same level it's so sad that gays continue with this comparition it's not even close we can drink out the same fountains as stright people and go to the same restruants black people could not to compare it's hurtful gays we do have more rights than black people did in the fifty's and sixty's so it should be stop i'm just saying
Re: Sweetmomma – Are gays left with no choice but to leave their country if they fall in love with a foreigner to be with them? Ooh,… wait they ARE! Dumbass
Perez, are you kidding me? When they start bombing your houses, hanging you on a tree, dragging your body down the road, killing you for being black, all for the right to vote and basic civil rights. I'm insulted you put that picture there as a comparison to the struggle of black people to California Marriage Protection Act.
You should take the picture down.
christians should rightfully love any homosexuals they encounter instead of segregate them because jesus loves everyone.
also, i'm not sure if its just me but i haven't seen any waterfountains labelled strictly for homosexual's use.
…how then is this a fair comparison?
Re: Shawn Suarez – I agree with everything you said apart from the being gay thing. This is a sorry excuse to say we cannot make our own decision and I do not believe in being "born gay." Too many gay people use that as an excuse to defend their homosexuality. I am gay myself but I do not claim to be "born gay." Its a stupid overly liberal idea which has been blown out of proportion. None of the research done has actually found a gay gene and any reports of such have pretty much been fabricated.
James.
Equality is equality, there's no extreme here that I see.
You are a complete idiot if you think you can compare gay rights to HUMAN rights.
Re: Lainey Loo – LOL LOL LOL LOL YOU ARE RETARTED!!!! JUST PLAIN RETARTED! How can gay's not being able to marry be racism?!?! GOD, i just LOVE how people are so quick to throughout the word racist whenever someone is treated unfairly. And perez you are a fucking asshole for this one. I will no longer visit this website because of this one. THE RIGHTS OF AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE NOT THE SAME FOR GAY RIGHTS! I HATE that gay rights activist quote MLK Jr for their argument. Here's the TRUTH: There are a lot of gay people out there whom you may never know is gay (if they choose not to come out to the whole world) but there are NO african americans whom can hide from being black. RACE IS THE FIRST THING YOU ALWAYS SEE! I'm all for gay rights but this just crossed the line. Goodbye forever Perez and hello TMZ
Peri You are not helping… with this one!
Re: MissAvery – Oh my God. Being gay is not a choice, and it's people who think it is and who popularise such myths that have set back gay rights for decades. It's not a choice. You are born gay, bisexual or straight, and nothing and no one can change that. Sure, you can experiment any which way you like, but being gay and dating a girl doesn't magically mean you love women and are sexually attracted to them. You make me sick.
Re: State ziti –
i don't think they did "flip a switch". also tom cruise? anyway. they would have been born with that. because society makes it difficult or doesn't deem it acceptable may have been the reason Lindsay Lohan decided not to have a relationship with a woman before now. you don't know what happened earlier in life. her feelings towards other women. being gay is not a choice. you are born that way.
hm..gays are often killed & beaten up…
i feel all of this all the way. i'm native, been segregated from the rest of the world and have been put in a community, and if i move out of this community, i lose all my native rights. but i'm also gay. so ya know.
Re: guitarchild – in Leviticus, which is the Old Testament - you know, the testament that all you Christians are happy to ignore until it comes to "gay marriage is wrong". In the same sentence as that is stated, it also says you shouldn't eat meat, but I bet you're quite happy to chow down on a McD's, right? There is NOTHING in the new testament that says anything about gay marriage. Outwith Leviticus, the only thing it was thought to have said was "two men shall not lay down together", but had recently been proven to have been mistranslated and actually reads "one woman shall not lay down with two men". Get your facts straight before you come here pretending to be some pious Christian when you clearly only know what you've gleaned from other people and haven't actually read a god damn word of it.
Re: MissAvery – Are you kidding me!?
Ok this is just retarded, gays have not experienced anything that blacks went through in this country. You can hide being gay, you cannot hide the color of your skin. To compare the two is just ignorant. I agree with gay rights but step back a bit before you post again.
Re: State ziti – It would seem that way to you because Lindsay was clearly confused before. Anyone with half a mind could see that - she was doing drugs, behaving erratically and sleeping around until she started dating Samantha - all of a sudden no drugs, not much drink, and she's behaving herself. Doesn't that spell out settled behaviour to you, whereas originally it seemed confused and trying to "fill a gap"? It's not a choice, it's a realisation. We're all brought up in this day and age to believe that being straight is normal and that's what we should be - so we assume we are and then will be confused by any other feeling to the contrary. That's why people stay closeted for so long. We need openess in our society so that people who are gay can be open about it early and live happy, fulfilled lives with the same rights as everyone else.
I feel it is similar. Im married to a blackman and 41 years ago in the state I live in it was illegal for us to get married. At that time, it was considered disgusting for us to be married just as it is for the gay community now. In that sense. By no means is what the gay community has to endure now any comparison to what slavery did to African Americans. But in this sense I can see the similarities
despite all the frothing at the mouth, i get your point. separate but equal, isn't.
Re: uhhuh1013 – ABSOLUTELY right. No where near being on the same level. Perez….u have officially lost it.
Yes I would agree that this statement is a tad "out there" but the statement is true.
Prop 8 poses the threat of creating a second class, instead of unification. And to those that argue that it is completely different, because Prop 8 doesn't take away BASIC rights, you are sadly mistaken.
Prop 8 takes away the pursuit of happiness. Basic enough for you?
"No one ought to harm another in his life, liberty, or possessions."
Prop H8 takes away the freedom of Americans. Why are we denying our citizens the one appeal of this great country? Freedom and liberty! Besides, for all those complaining about how gay marriage is against religion…. WE HAVE A SECULARIZED GOVERNMENT!!! NO individual's RELIGIOUS beliefs should influence the way the COUNTRY is run.
Re: jefdo – I agree.
That's not the same AT ALL, Perez. That's insulting to all the blacks in America that had to endure all that separate but equal and jim crow shit.
There's noting worse than a white liberal who believes homophobia is somehow not as bad as racism. That's why heterosexuals rarely get involved with the fight for gay rights, yet they tell themselves they would have marched with King at Selma. They are both equally evil forms of discrimination. It is a slippery slope. I am a white heterosexual disgusted with people like "Two Goofballs" who try to dismiss the seriousness of prop 8 and its implications for all our freedoms. Right on, Perez!
Re: xhollax – What's sick is you refuse to see the parallels. What's even more sick is you refuse to see the many many hate crimes, including deaths, that have occurred to your fellow countrymen because your country is so back asswards. This issue goes far beyond equal marriage. It goes to equal rights. Too bad you're too blinding by stupidity to get that fact. Worse, too bad your country is so far behind so many of the more advanced countries. If John McCain gets in, you fully deserve another 4 years of hell. Have fun in the "Land of Freedom" Idiot.
I understand the comparison…and understand why people are offended. The bottom line is both sides have been repressed. The LBGT side maybe not has much or as extreme as African Americans in this country(look what they do in middle eastern countries) but that does not take away the pain and fear some people go through. Also the justifed RAcism through religion…check your history!
Re: MissAvery – Being gay is not CHOICE YOU DIMWITTED PRODUCT OF SHITTY SCHOOLING. wHY DON'T YOU DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND STOP LISTENING TO THE RIGHT WING MEDIA IN YOUR SHITTY COUNTRY.
bit of a stretch
Re: No Patience – thank you! finally someone with a brain…
Re: knowitall – jermaine??….been wondering where you've been
Re: Shawn Suarez – Shawn, just move. You are in a country fuelled by murder (the native American genocide) and hatred, which is freely spewed by politicians and the media. Get out and move to a more progressive country. Your fellow citizens are complete assholes.
it's two different discrimatory practices . . . but I can see merit as far as the extremity of both types
yes . . . blacks were murdered, denied an education, and openly attacked but so have gays . . . to a lesser extent . . . but it exists. Gay men and women have been systematically beaten, murdered, denied emplyment and alienated all because of what they do behind closed doors. They have been labeled as child molesters and there has even been suggestion that they be castrated to prevent them from "recriuting others."
black people had a seperate water fountain . . . but if you compare it to Prop 8 . . . they at least had a water fountain!
If prop 8 passes then gays will have no outlet to legally protect their partner's right to provide insurance, handle medical issues, insurance, assests . . .
It would be like telling black people in 1940 "this founitain is for whites and we aren't even going to let you drink water AT ALL from any source"
. . . and for those of you who claim Prop 8 is about religious beliefs keep this in mind . . . MANY racist organizations, both past and present, also use(d) religion as a guise to spread their message of hate against those of color.
Re: SakuraGrl84 – Idiots only read two sentences. They aren't interested in equal rights. They're interested in hate.
I never leave comments on here, but this is just too much. While I believe in equality for everyone, and that all Californians should vote no to proposition 8 this struggle should never be compared to the struggle of the segregation. It is 2 different instances. I can never hide the fact that I'm black when I walk through the door its there, however you really don't know someone is gay until they tell you, you can assume but you never know until that person tells you. I know struggle is tough for equal rights for LGBT community specifically for marriage, but this situation is it's own struggle and should not be compared. For more insight read about James Baldwin, a writer, activist 50s 60s 70s, oh and he happened to be black and gay.
Re: *Buff* – re: post 139. If homosexuality is "normal", then why don't we all become gay and the end of the human race will begin. You're argument is ridiculous. Yes, I do believe that people are born gay. But, to characterize it as normal is not true. Babies are born with mental and physical defects. Is that normal?
Wow! So many comments on this page I don't know where to start.
While I agree that the two have many differences, I think the core ideals are the same. You shouldn't be discriminated against for things that are innate. You cannot help what color you are and contrary to what some people said, you do not "choose" to be gay. You are born that way. I did not choose to be straight. During no part of my life did someone lay the choices out for me, "Okay, you can either be straight, bisexual or homosexual. What's your choice?" All I knew is that I was attracted to boys. It's the same way with bisexual or homosexuals. Only a bible-thumping twit would say that it is a choice. What sensible person would chose to be discriminated against? To have their equal rights denied? That is asinine to even suggest that.
And to some of you who said that gays aren't abused or mistreated, are seriously mistaken. That's like saying racism doesn't exist anymore. My husband and I live in a pretty conservative town and we just recently went to a protest concerning a young gay man who was beaten within an inch of his life after leaving a bar. The cops didn't thoroughly investigate the case and one of the officers went as far as to suggest that the victim was "asking for it" because of his "flamboyant" personality. I suggest you research gay hate crimes before you say that gays aren't "abused."
Good point No Patience. Those laws were called miscegnation laws and they did forbid blacks and whites from marrying. How is this different? The Supreme Court decided then that the government doesn't have a right to decide who can and cannot get married. This is the same damn thing.
Segregation happened because whites thought black people were contaminated and low-class people. This is the same message if Prop 8 passes. It is saying you are contaminated and we will not let you get married because God doesn't approve of you (like any mortal here on Earth could possibly know that) and we're better and our union can be legally/spiritually recognized as a marriage.
And to those that say racism wasn't based on religion are wrong. Back in the 1600's when slavery was first introduced in America, people justified slavery based on the fact that black in an evil color and they must be the devil's heathens. After slavery was abolished, hate crimes continued and the legal system found loopholes to keep African Americans from having equal rights. The main point I am trying to make is that the whole thing was based on religious beliefs. So religious beliefs don't always lead you in the best direction.
Whether it's your age, race, sex, or sexual orientation, discrimination (especially that which our government encourages by its legislation) is never okay.
How DARE you equate the injustice that is perpetrated upon the Black Man to you being unable to get married? As a Black Man, I am faced with racism, hatred and violence daily because of the wickedness of the White Devil. You, sir, are a celebrity and have no such struggle. You are a racist for even mentioning this. This is why you White People must be exterminated. Racism must be stopped.
VICTORY THROUGH OBAMA! PRAISE TO OUR SAVIOR FOREVER! DEATH TO ISRAEL!
Barack Obama: He'll save every one of us!
Re: *Buff* – re: post 139. If being a homosexual is "normal", then why don't we all become gay and then the human race will cease to exist. I believe that people are born gay, but you can't characterize it as normal. If you say it's normal just because people are born that way, then can you say that babies born with mental and physical defects are normal????? I don't think so.
Re: grader44 – The White Man is so wicked and sick that after gay marriage they will want the right to marry their child, their dog, a tree, a car, a mailbox, etc.
How would you like it if I said it this way Perez: after gay marriage is legalized, how soon until you White People are allowed to enslave us again?
Completely different topic, but check out Drudge, Obama has started construction on his victory bash for election night.
Re: moonatics – You teach your first graders about sex? This is why you White People are fucking sick! I bet you also teach them about how wonderful and awesome the Jews are right?
This website makes me realize I live in a country full of ignorant assholes. Good job, people. Hope some of you guys aren't raising little backwoods racist children. I feel sorry for them having stupids for parents.
I agree with Perez. A person is a person, it doesn't matter what your skin colour or sexual preference is. I don't think he's trying to make out it's on a level with slavery, just that EVERYBODY should have EQUAL rights, which at the moment they don't.
Being a gay african american I see the point this is making, eventhough taking away the right to be married isn't as severe as racial segregation it may only just be the being.
you are beyond a scum sucking puke. how fucking dare you put gays not being able to marry on the same level as the horrific acts blacks have had to endure. you are one of the most disgusting pigs on the planet. I'm forwarding this to Barack's best buddy Farrakhan who is well outspoken on his hate of whites, jews and GAYS. Let's see what happens when he see's a gay man likening prop 8 to slavery and torture. you are a stupid shit sucking puke perez.
Bit of an over-exaggeration to compare prop 8 with segregation. Gays have a lot more rights than African-Americans did. Why don't you just put a picture of Hitler and Palin on a split screen now. You're just another z-list "celebrity" who thinks the Hollywood crowd actually influences the public.
perez, don't be a fukard and bring up old shit. those people that treated black people like that were nothing but hybrids,part devil
and part human..it's not our fukard fault.
Re: ObamaistheMessiah – I'm guessing you're a great filthy troll, and I shouldn't feed you, but just in case you're not: "racism must be stopped" in the same paragraph as referring to white people as the "white devil" and saying they must all be killed brings the lolz.
Count me amongst those here who say the comparison is bullshit. Stop this Perez, you're way off on this one.
xoxo, Isa
You know, I will never ever get why people dislike gays. It's beyond me…
and while this comparision is a bit…controversial, I can see what Perez was saying. And to all those people who say it's on a whole other level - in some ways yes, it is. But you know what? Doesn't mean gays AREN'T beaten, and AREN'T discriminated against. and really…what's to stop it from happening, hm? You can't tell me that it won't. Because it easily could, because so many people breed hate. Who's to say being gay won't become illegal? It's a terrible thought sure, but if people continue to do stupid things like this, and continue to think in closed minded ways, it could easily happen.
You act as though getting married is going to make the world explode. All a marriage is is a celebration. You say you want to keep it 'sacred'? Please, if the two people love each other I don't think it's gonna matter a whole lot.
Really, vote yes on prop 8. I dare you. Really, I do. I hope you feel happy and fulfilled. I hope you go to bed and say to yourself, - "well! heh, I'm sure going to heaven yup!
"
Because really…I doubt it's going to be passed anyway. We can only hope that there are enough people out there who know that's it's not right to do this type of thing. Yes, gays can vote…can do a lot of things.
But who's to say that won't go away too?
BULL!!!
Bad idea not the same
FIRST OF ALL …..WTF to all of you people that do not understand this picture! I've read comments like - what does this pic mean? and What state was this made for? DO YOU NOT KNOW AMERICAN HISTORY???? Anyway - BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE to (someone said it was) HOWEVER This is in no way, shape or form anything remotely close to what the African American's endured during the times after slavery was abolished. If I were African American, I would be really pissed that someone would try to equate gays not being able to marry to my ancestors being hung, burned, losing there houses, and segregated as 2nd class citizens. C'mon Perez, this was a little too far.
Re: xhollax – said: I hope you're not equating the evil that was committed against African Americans in this country (segregation, having their homes burnt down, being burnt alive and hung from trees) to gays not being able to marry. If so that is absolutely sick.
Why not? There have been many gays and lesbians that have had similar things happen to them; being dragged down a road tied to the bumpers of trucks, homes broken into and vandalized, defacated on, and many other things. HOWEVER, gays and lesbians do still have the rights to the same education, rights to vote, and don't have other types of segregations placed against them.
I may not agree with some things due to my religious beliefs, but I also don't agree with individuals being treated as second- or third-class citizens just because they may be "different."
And btw - I'm an Obama-Biden supporter; McCain and Palin have serious mental/emotional issues where they believe that they have the right to control how people are supposed to be, rather than how God created them to be. Everyone is different because that is the way He created us to be, not because that's how *we* said that we are.