Prop 8 Too Close To Call
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It's looking like Prop 8 will pass.
We feel like crying!
Equality is a right, not a privilege
Equality is a right, not a privilege
Equality is a right, not a privilege
Posted: November 5, 2008 at 2:40 am
That is so fucking sad. HATERS!!!
NO to PROP 8!
Even though I'm staunchly against Perez for the lies he put out for McCain and the glows on nothing - not a single policy on Obama - this plan sucks. No one should be discriminated against. But I find it ironic since Obama's attended church that discriminated against "whitey" (Michelle's words), that now, the efforts of non-discrimination will go to waste. You can't have it both ways.
I'm urging Americans who want to learn what is going to happen…
Go to YouTube and see what I am saying…
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Italian Wonder:
bummer your "inspiring president-elect" wants prop 8 to pass!
For the record: Our inspired PRESIDENT Barack Obama endorsed the NO on 8 Campaign.
So sad. We get our first black president yet we cannot accept our differences still. I love you all!!
Re: RashManly – obama is personally against gay marriage. but he supports it.
First of all, those saying our President Elect wants this proposition to pas, guess what, McCain did too.'
Also, there is nothing in this world more ironic that Perez Hilton fans screaming "no to hate!"
Perez makes a living out of hate. Hate pays his bills. He became famous for spreading lies, ridiculing people, and most importantly, influencing people to hate others.
Karma is a bitch
This makes me so sad….
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS on 8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO NO NO NO!
FUCK!
america has spoken. that is all.
This measure would amend the state constitution to specify that only marriages between one man and one woman would be recognized as valid in the state. If passed, the measure would trump a May 2008 ruling by the California Supreme Court that legalized same-sex marriage.
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YESSSSSS ON 8!!!
This is not about HATE people… Marriage is meant for a man and a woman! Is it a coincedance that over 90% of people that are gay were molested or abused when they were younger? It saddens me…but it just goes to point out that homosexuality is not natural…
I'm all for same legal rights, but Marriage is between a man a woman…
California voted, AMERICA decided…
Re: Disturbed – These people are not voting no for Perez, they are voting no for them, for THEIR rights. Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.
So far, NO COUNTY HAS VOTED NO on prop 8. It seems as it it will pass in all Cali counties.
With all that campaigning, i guess it's just some people's seeing it as weird.
I am so sorry. So, so sorry. Equality IS a right. x
I can't believe it has won majority in EVERY county. WTF is wrong with people? I'm thinking more or less some people didn't understand it well. My friend here thought it would force churches to marry same sex. I explained no. She voted no on it after explaining that.
Keep fighting for your rights America.
Good luck and if this ridiculous segregation goes through, keep fighting and fighting and educating your children to bring up their children better than that, eventually all the racist and intolerant homophobes will die out and their children will not continue to be brain washed and spout off their parents opinions, which were in turn the parents parents opinions. Vicious cycle of hate =(
Re: CrazyBeautiful84 – What?!?!?
Never heard that one. But I think civil unions should just be upgraded. To give them more rights for their spouses. Since when is being married the shiznit?? Most people are divorced and that ish is expensive.
But to call this about equality is odd. People are gay for like 2 weeks these days. Girls kiss girls for fun. People don't take it seriously.
No comment on Arizona and Florida's bans on gay marriage, or on Arkansas's ban to allow same sex couples to adopt?
Cali isnt the only state with gay rights issues at hand. And only 70% of districts have reported, with less than 300,000 separating the yes and no. The margin for yes has been shrinking steadily all evening.
Re: CrazyBeautiful84 –
Did your church tell you that? Show us how you came up with that lie.
Re: RashManly –
hes against gay marriage, but FOR civil unions, which, while still not the same, is FAR more than McCain would've given gays, hmm?
Re: sandrah613 – Oh that's right, I should shut the fuck up because we shouldn't allow any opinions other than our own - how typically ignorant. You give stereotypes a bad name.
I can't believe it has won majority in EVERY county. WTF is wrong with people? I'm thinking more or less some people didn't understand it well. My friend here thought it would force churches to marry same sex. I explained no. She voted no on it after explaining that. Re: catsmeow –
Why are you so surprised? They voted to pass something like this the last time but gay activists had the will of the people thrown out by unelected unaccountable judges. What? You think if you keep doing this over and over more people are going to see it your way? You cheated last time by usurping the people via judicial fiat…
Re: catsmeow – I'm not religious
It's called ask every single person who is gay…facts are facts
Re: sandrah613 – You're exactly right! It's these religious assholes! They pick the parts of the bible they want to believe and stick to it. The bible is a metaphor for life. Parts of it could have happened, but most of it was made up by people who had wild imaginations like myself. 2000 yrs+ ago, people were as educated as cavemen. I CANNOT BARELY BELIEVE people still base their lives on this, much less spend millions of dollars to try and stop equal rights! It's Insane!!!! These people should be put in mental asylums!
Omg, if it passes I'm going to be so sad.
I said no on Prop 8. I hope it doesn't pass. Ughhh.
Re: bianca-wonka – but civil union is NOT the equivalent of marriage. It's not '10-hundreds' for 'a thousand' it's about 8 or 9 hundreds, because a civil union does NOT offer ALL the same protections as a marriage.
Re: demonica "intolerant homophobes" –
More ignorant bullshit. Get it through your head, there is a HUGE difference between homophobes and people that oppose gay marriage. This is the exact kind of propaganda Perez and others have been spewing. I could give a fuck less who you sleep with, I have many gay friends, I have dated women before and had sexual relations with them, but I think the whole purpose of an actual MARRIAGE is between a man and a woman, and many others feel the same. You guys crying "hate" and "homophobe" are the epitome of ignorant.
no!no!no!no!no!no!
Prop 8 HAS PASSED!!!!!!
California has spoken.
Done and Done
Re: CrazyBeautiful84 – Where are you getting your statistics? Focus on the Family on the 700 club?????? That's not true. Being molested does not turn you gay. I'm a clinical psychiatrist, and that's not true at all. People are born gay, and it's completely natural. It's actually in the bible. well….the part of the book of St. Thomas that is hidden in the Vatican.
Re: MLD – I know. I figured it can be broadened to include the same rights for spouses as marriage. Since people just want the "definition" of marriage as man and woman. Although there are many gay people hiding in a marriage.
Re: MLD – Actually, all 4 candidates share the ideas on civil unions. None believe in full marriage rights, but none believe in discrimination either. Since they all agreed, it's also the reason why it was never brought up during the campaigning.
Homosexuality is not "equal" to heterosexuality. Homosexuality is not normal as it does not help propagate the species which heterosexuality does. Biology, people. Heterosexuality can lead to the propagation of the species whereas homosexuality cannot. Why encourage, promote or favour a behaviour that does not enhance the human race's chance for survival?
Re: TylerDurden – HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
We feel like crying!
Equality is a right, not a privilege
Equality is a right, not a privilege
Equality is a right, not a privilege
It was also a "right" of the people of Cali to have already voted on this once only to have it overturned by black robed tyrants at the behest of the politically correct gay mafia.
Re: TylerDurden – The Bible isn't made up stuff in my opinion. It is stories of what happened in that time, and then what will happen.
That's why it takes faith to believe in GOD. It's not all about the physical, but the spiritual. If you can't believe that JESUS died and rose again, and is still alive, then you can't believe that HE will return. And that all things are possible with GOD.
I believe in the Bible and I am for not judging anyone. Some people read the Bible and suddenly are without fault. But the Bible says judge not lest ye be judged. I mean, c'mon, JESUS was killed by people like the ones in this nation who judged those who thought differently. I think it is a literal and metaphorical story.
This is so unfair to me and my parner who will not have the opportunity to marry despite our love
this sucks. why are people so afriad of gays and gay rights?
It won't pass for now, but probably will sometime down the line. There is a reason people call it "in the closet". And that is because we could care less what you want to do in your private lives and behind closed doors. But don't infringe on the marriage institution. If you homosexuals have any shred of decency, let the heteros have their marriage. You can banner around all you want about equal public treatment, equal taxation and hospital vistiation rights, equal insurance rights, equal employment rights, etc. But please don't tread on marriage. That is a hetrosexual institution and one you have absoulely no right to distort.
Amendment 2 in florida passed, which is no surprise..
and literally, the only support the "yes on 2" ads had was by saying "it would protect the legal union to be between only a man and woman". That's IT. that's the only "positive" thing that amendment 2 would bring(but i mean to people who find that to be positive), it also said something about "protecting children" by keeping marrige strictly between a man and a women. PROTECT THEM FROM WHAT? SEEING TWO PEOPLE OF THE SAME SEX SWAPSPIT? next thing you know "john tucker must die" will be banned, because there's 3 seconds of girl on girl action.. i am totally for equality, and it sucks that somepeople are still SO ABSENT MINDED. Nobody voted for the heterosexuals to marry. Why should the homosexuals have to have their marrige voted on. WHAT HAPPEND TO LIVING IN A FREE COUNTRY.?
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what also blows is when kids, my age, 16/15/17 write things like "this is america, we can't have a black president".
REALLY?
i thought we established that black people are equally the same as whites… like A ZILLION YEARS AGO!
should we go back to drinking out of separate water fountains too?
i hate the dumb idiots here in florida…
It's actually in the bible. well….the part of the book of St. Thomas that is hidden in the Vatican.
Re: TylerDurden –
Uh sure…I love when libs try to use scripture, that they clearly know nothing about, to justify the very behaviors the Bible clearly labels as being an "abomination".
NO to H8te!! I am so, so sad! Idiots….
I've been wondering what is going to happend to already legally sanctioned gay marriages if Calf passes Prop 8. Are already married gay couples suddenly no longer married? Are they "grandfathered in" under the previous legalization? Do we have any true legal eagles who really know the laws who can comment on this? I definitely don't support gay marriage, but I would have to admit I would be very pissed if I were legally married, comsemated by marriage, only to be told I was not longer married. That could mean explosive cases in CA for forced fornication and emotional abuse. Don't like it or agree with it, just saying.
Re: jackiek3rr "WHAT HAPPEND TO LIVING IN A FREE COUNTRY" –
We do live in a free country. You have a right to have sex with whomever you please. You have the right to live with that person. You DO realize that in Muslim countries you can be executed for having sex with with someone of the same gender, correct?
Re: jackiek3rr – Well then have a vote on heterosexuals marrying, I wonder if it would pass? I live in Canada and am not really against gays marrying but i would love to see prop 8 pass just for the displeasure of Perez.
Re: CrazyBeautiful84 – Personally, I reject Christianity, which rejects homosexuality. Considering that marriage is a Christian institution, I'm confused as to why so many gays want to be a part of it. Some of them are gay and Christian (which I can't even comprehend), and some of them just want to be recognized the same way their parents were. Regardless, I feel that if two men or two women want to get married, they should be able to.
And finally, if you want to talk about facts, I'd like you to wrap your uneducated head around this fact: neither you, nor any supposed scientific organization that you are pulling this "90%" statistic from have ever asked *me* whether or not I was sexually abused as a child. Thus, you can't say that every gay person has been asked about sexual abuse history to yield these so-called facts of yours. As it turns out, I was not sexually abused as a child, and neither was my best friend, and we are both gay. Regardless, if this 90% statistic is more or less accurate (and it probably isn't, since the numbers reported in these studies vary widely), it is not high enough to say that sexual abuse *causes* homosexuality. Even if it did, I don't see how you could say that homosexuals should not be allowed to get married. It doesn't threaten your life at all. You don't see mass hysteria breaking out in Massachusetts now, do you?
What's really fucking sad is people crying over this garbage when the headlines are reading things like this: "Obama to Inherit Economy in Worst Crisis in 70 Years"
How about looking at the big picture first. Thousands of people have lost almost everything they have during the last 8 years. There were 2 people on the news tonight. They both lost their jobs and homes during the last year, one also lost her husband in Iraq, and the other lost her son in Afghanistan. They are far from being the only ones. People in this country are losing their family, home, and jobs - all at the same time - but BOO HOO, Mike can't marry Steve.
In the grand scheme of things, your priorities are fucked.
WOW, I tought it was clear for everyone…NO on 8… but… looks that there are some crazy Mo**r Fu**rs in California voting on discrimination… is sad people plain sad…
Re: Disturbed – Good point! Well said, really.
No!!! I can't understand the american people. It is unfair and discriminatory . In germany gay couples can marry since 2001. And everyone is fine with it. Fucking rednecks.
Perez is the fakest gay dude on the planet. I don't even think he's gay. He just pretends to be a fag because he couldn't get a chick to touch him, not even an STD infected hooker would go near that ugly fuck. I've never seen someone try so hard to be gay and manage to fail so badly at it. I'm willing to wager he didn't even vote on prop 8. What does he care anyways? His idea of gay is flicking his wrist and talking like his nuts are in a vice.
This just makes me soo sad. At moments like this I want to be American and make my vote count. I really hope it doesn't pass, cause if it does we'll be right back at the start. NO TO H8!! I mean, if it's legal the Netherlands, where I live, why wouldn't it be legal in the USA, the land of oppurtunities? that's crazy.
I am proud to have voted yes on 8. Why? Because I believe marriage is a very distinct kind of a relationship between a man and a woman.
I would have voted NO on 8 if it weren't for the fact that gay couples can legally form "domestic partnerships" affording them the same rights as married couples.
Prop 8 simply keeps the definition of marriage the way it's been for centuries.
I have many gay friends and will always stand up for their rights as human beings. If this law were to ban domestic partnerships I would have voted against it.
But since gay men and women in a domestic partnership can still love each other unconditionally while enjoying the same benefits of married couples, I don't see what's so wrong with preserving the definition of marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
I hope the gay community realizes most of these people didn't vote against them or their sexual preferences, we voted in support of a tradition and of the family values we believe in.
That said, if this proposition ends up taking away the rights of gay couples in domestic partnerships, I'll have to vote differently next time.
In 1954 the United States Supreme Court determined that the status quo of separate but equal that was used to discriminate against non white members of society was unconstitutional. In Brown v. Board of Education the highest court in the country decided that separate was not equal, and that it went against the basic rights of American citizens in the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. Section 1 of the Amendment states:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
If it was determined over fifty years ago that separate is not equal, and unconstitutional, why are we today still facing blatant discrimination? California Proposition 8 discriminates against U.S. citizens by denying them the right to marry. Marriage is an institution of the state; a marriage license is required for a marriage to be legal. As the results of the 2008 election come in I hope there will be a last minute surge of no on 8 votes, but if not I hope that the California Courts will have more sense than the people of the state have.
Re: heidilala –
Fuck you foreigner. I'm sick of how you bastards come over here all the time and tell us how we always need to be more like Europe. Maybe we don't want to be just like you all the time. Hell, you would have us as just another European country. We are the USA not Europe. If people want Europe by all means they should move there.
No!!! I can't understand the american people. It is unfair and discriminatory . In germany gay couples can marry since 2001. And everyone is fine with it. Fucking rednecks. Re: Svenja –
Bite me, Euro. This is the USA, not Germany. The same Germany that thought Hitler was their savior now wants us to believe Obama is our savior…Oy vey…
You know if this passes, and it looks like its going to at 85% counted, i think all us gay people should band together, and push for the outlaw of divorce. These fucking hypocrites, seriously. Teen pregnancy and marriage, divorce, Women and men cheating on their spouses.. Think about it. They spent the last 3 months harping on "The sanctity of marriage". How DARE they. I'm so dissapointed in America right now.
Wow. What is the matter with your country? On one hand you elect a man with no experience or substance, because he promises some vague notion of change. Yet when faced with a real substantive opportunity for positive change you reject it across the board.
Disturbed posted: "Obama to Inherit Economy in Worst Crisis in 70 Years" Thousands of people have lost almost everything they have during the last 8 years. There were 2 people on the news tonight. They both lost their jobs and homes during the last year, one also lost her husband in Iraq, and the other lost her son in Afghanistan….. My reply: MY HUSBAND is in the military, don't give me some trip on that. The media is biased all to hell in their reporting of what's going on over there, considering my husband's been there several times. And those two people - in the "last year" were under DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS, gotten into trouble by them living OUTSIDE THEIR MEANS. I'm doing just fine because I didn't take ARM loans when they offered them to me for twice what I'd get a VA/conventional loan for. Those "two people" had it coming. I'm sick and tired of this pathetic attempt to blame everything on Bush. This nasty victim mentality of "hey, let's blame someone else because I got a $300k home loan and didn't read my contract". He didn't force anyone to get more credit cards, he was overruled in Congress for a package to keep continuing lax credit lines, while McCain was trying to stop it all. I don't owe a single person ANYTHING for their stupidity. But that's exactly what's going to happen with my taxes that I have NO SAY over.
Disturbed posted: "Obama to Inherit Economy in Worst Crisis in 70 Years" Thousands of people have lost almost everything they have during the last 8 years. There were 2 people on the news tonight. They both lost their jobs and homes during the last year, one also lost her husband in Iraq, and the other lost her son in Afghanistan….. My reply: MY HUSBAND is in the military, don't give me some trip on that. The media is biased all to hell in their reporting of what's going on over there, considering my husband's been there several times. And those two people - in the "last year" were under DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS, gotten into trouble by them living OUTSIDE THEIR MEANS. I'm doing just fine because I didn't take ARM loans when they offered them to me for twice what I'd get a VA/conventional loan for. Those "two people" had it coming. I'm sick and tired of this pathetic attempt to blame everything on Bush. This nasty victim mentality of "hey, let's blame someone else because I got a $300k home loan and didn't read my contract". He didn't force anyone to get more credit cards, he was overruled in Congress for a package to keep continuing lax credit lines, while McCain was trying to stop it all. I don't owe a single person ANYTHING for their stupidity. But that's exactly what's going to happen with my taxes that I have NO SAY over.
not according to CNN…
"NEW: California's Proposition 8 on same-sex marriages headed for defeat, exit polls say"
I can rel8 to everyone who did a gr8 thing and voted yes on 8. It's unconstitutional now WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
You know, it was never about being against the gays. its about that prick mayor gavin newsom that i wanted that damn thing to pass. To prove to the courts and that prick that its up to the citizens not some prick.
it wasnt only California that passed a law to change the constituition. like 3 or 4 other states passed it last night too.
Every single person that voted "yes" on this is an authentic piece of uneducated Christian shit.
I voted YES on Prop 8. Gay couples should have the same rights as straight, but they shouldn't be considered married in the eyes of the Lord as it is an abomination. Sorry. I am Christian and I will always TRY to adhere to the Good Book.
NO ON 8.
Why is discrimination okay?
This is disgusting.
I don't want to change America in a second europe. But I think eyerone should have the same rights. Equality. It's fine to be guy, everyone should be allowed to marry the person that he loves. Crazy people in the USA, they are liberal enough to vote for a black president but not liberal enough to allow same sex marriages. So sad.
sad sad sad sad sad sad
Re: sandrah613 – You stupid whore.."Luckily there are no gay bashers where I live" where do you live ON FUCKING MARS?? Go suck a dick and leave us normal people alone. Gay marriage makes us vomit. Against the laws of nature..fucking GROSS
I am glad it passed. Thank you Cali for saying yes to Love and no to hate for the traditional family!
Sad
Particularly sad because if there's one thing this election reminded us it is that we are ONE people and this is ONE nation. There's no room for this kind of separation in the kind of United States we need to have.
I voted for Obama and I am so thankful that he won. Gay people want to get married, it's their business. This is not Iran or Communist China. America has jumped and leaped for mankind. I love this country. Troops, you're coming home, finally.
Re: suzyelizabeth – Gay marriage has been legal in Canada since 2001. GET WITH THE TIMES PEOPLE!
Re: RashManly –
I agree…did all of you actually watch the debate when S. Biden said he does not support gay marriage? I don't know why you thought you'd see change….pay attention.
Yay to all my friends in California who are voting YES on Prop 8.
What you guys deserve for voting in Obama. Welcome to more taxes!
Re: savagenation – Yeah, because there was a rreealll threat to "traditional" families… Allowing gay marriage threatens nothing, it just allows a basic civil right to be met. I'm from Canada, and that this is even a discussion is shocking to me, and that people are perpetuating the idea that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because it threatens something to "traditional" families is uninformed and wrong.
Re: kellykellykelly – Umm - show me where in the Constitution it gives you the "right" to be gay and married. Hell, show me where in the Constitution it gives ANYONE the right to be married.
Oh.
Wait.
It doesn't.
Re: Perezbian_Lovah – Legal in Canada? I think fucking animals is legal in Canada too.
I know that being able to surrender properly when need be is taught early in schools there too (just like any good Frenchy needs to know).
Prop 8 has PASSED. Even though you love you some Obama, Your gay ass will not legally marry him in California, Arizona, etc Perez! Majority said YES on prop 8!
Makes me sad as a gay while man that I voted for Obama and put behind my racist views, But Blacks in California cant vote NO on Prop 8.
guaranteed its going to be overturned or challenged.
I wish i lived in Cali just so I could have voted no
Homosexuality = Natural selection.. Think about that.
Nature.. The weak animal does not mate and create offspriing. The dominant one does.
Homosexuality is natures adaptation of natural selection.
equality is a right? evil desires will NEVER be equal to righteous ones. its not about whether one person is equal to another its about whether an action is equal to another. I'm really happy,. ive won twice today -obama/prop 8!.
NO to 8!
Love is love!
Re: Perezbian_Lovah –
Didn't Canada ban guns and see an increase in crime by a multiplier of 2000%?
Yeah, let's follow Canada, a country that still can't break from France.
I have to laugh… To close to call???
It was passed overwhelmingly and never really even close.
The people spoke and they said Yes.
Well equality is still a privilege in California then.
I'm really surprised!
I guess California isn't at all the way the media tries to portray it.
If I were gay, I'd be absolutely packing my bags and moving to a more acepting state.
Re: PunkyBrewstein –
You as a person, regardless to whether you voted yes or no on prop 8, are a sorry excuse for a heterosexual. Sharing your hateful thoughts is NOT good representation of any side of any argument.
Re: tellin ya what I know –
agreed
prop 8 will pass? you're kidding…
Of all places, I never thought CA would let something like this happen…I hope I end up hearing Prop 8 did not pass…CROSS YOUR FINGERS AND PRAY for equal rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My condolences to everyone that this will affect. I'm so sorry and disappointed in the people who passed this blatently hateful proposition. This is a sad day for tolerance. I'm sorry Perez. I wish I could hug you. Forget the haters. There are people who love on this board, too.
Re: Svenja –
In germany we can also decide what to do with our body (abortion) and in america they're still discussing this sth. as an political issue…
sometimes it's good to be german
I voted against amendment 2 in FL but it looks like it is going to pass, it is so sad!
Re: Deke –
Actually I hate religion and I voted yes. you queers should be grateful. You always want to be different now you queers are. congrats!
I feel like crying, but hoping for some small miracle. With 89% of the precincts counted, I am… in awe. I voted NO on 8. When we moved to California, all we had heard was how liberal and open-minded it was. I am shocked, simply shocked that Prop 8 was voted "yes" by so many people. If the churches don't want it? Fine. If they don't want to recognize it? Fine. If you don't want to marry someone of your same sex? FINE. But why why why would you agree to a LAW that would deprive people of their personal rights? Every child dreams of getting married someday.