Just Sayin'
Filed under: InspirationNO STATE should be allowed to make a constitutional amendment with just 51% of the vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: November 5, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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Just Sayin'Filed under: InspirationNO STATE should be allowed to make a constitutional amendment with just 51% of the vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted: November 5, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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51% IS a majority… it's just that those 51% are idiots
Someone can win the PRESIDENCY of the strongest, mightiest country in the world with 51%. Why is this different????? I don't support Prop 8, but your reasoning is invalid.
I totally agree. One small step backwards for man, one giant leap back for mankind.
You can always come to Canada. We're the more excepting nation up North. ^^
Read the Constitution- it is the state's right to do so, although I wouldn't consider Prop 8 to be a done deal yet. Seriously, people- take a frikkin' civics class and understand how the system works. Then you'll be able to do something ABOUT it the RIGHT way.
Crossing my fingers that Prop 8 gets voted down, because discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation is no different than discriminating on the color of a person's skin or their cultural ancestry. Also- marriage is a religious concept and should be left to the religions. PERIOD. The states should be talking about CIVIL UNIONS and not MARRIAGE.
Separation of church and state? Heard of it? Our gov't is so screwed up…
It will take someone like PEREZ HILTON to start the NTWR Movement:
PEREZ: DO IT BROTHER!!!! NTWR!!!
The LGBT Community should write a NEW Declaration of Independence…GAYS vs. STRAIGHTS: Take the TAX money out of their wallets that fund their schools…their children…their social security…their medicaid…and so on…
NTWR–and people like you, BlueMagic, it ain't about religion…it's about MONEY and PRINCIPLE. This is a LEGAL and FINANCIAL argument and has nothing to do with the bogeyman (Jesus, Allah, Letitia…whoever you get on your knees for…!)
NTWR…NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
FUCK WITH THE FEDERAL WALLET…and the rights will come!!!
Re: BryansWife –
HAHAHAHA Yah right, cause that would happen
Wow…you did not make one point in your loooooong post
YAYYYYYYYYY for Prop 8 passing
Well, tell me how it's fair that Obama was the democratic nominee? Hilary won the popular vote in the Primaries. Did she go out and fucking protest? NO! What did she do? She turned around and offered her support for him even though he fucked her hard by not choosing her as a VP choice. So, STFU and get over it!
Sucks that Cali has so damn many electoral votes when it comes to the Presidential race too. I agree with the No on H8te though. That should not have gone through!!
Majority rules! Keep in mind Messiah Obama only had a similar percentage of popular votes - maybe we should CHANGE that!
I do not support Prop 8 but by your logic, I would say that none of the states that were won with a very small difference percentage wise by Obama should have gone to Obama. There should have had to have been like a 10% lead or else the electorates should have been split, or a revote should have been demanded. Majority rules, even when it's a small majority - not just when it's something you like.
get over it perez. its over the people spoke.
Re: Antony – No Fuckface I wouldn't, but it was VOTED into law in 2000 and some lefty fuckin' judges overturned it!It sets a bad pressadent to let the judges overturn anything they don't like, if it had lost so be it, I don't care if you marry a fuckin' lamp shade, but the law is the LAW!
NO GAY MARRIAGE IN FLORIDA TOO! Way to go America! At least some morals still exist in this country!
It should take a 2/3 majority in states to make a constitutional amendment just like in congress. However, a proposal for an amendment to our GOVERNMENT shouldn't be allowed at all if it is based on a religious doctrine. Not in a country supposedly founded on religious freedom for people to choose to believe how they wish. It is only RELIGION that defines homosexuality as wrong. No religion should decide to limit our freedoms in a country designed to allow us freedom of religion.
its called a majority, which is what our country was founded on. get over it.
We win some…we lose some!!!! You need to keep fighting!!!…. 51% is majority baby… there's no way around it… I think the difference was like 200,000 votes… that's a lot… It sucks I voted No in Florida.. and look what happened… I guess we're ready for a Balck President but not for Mommy and Mommy…. Insane that many black people voted Yes on the Prop.!!! There you go…the hypocrisy is incredible… The gays WILL always HAVE my vote!!!…..KEEP FIGHTING
Re: MeliZoops – We might be idiots but at least we stopped the gay from getting married..lol
I couldn't agree more. When Obama won I thought we had finally wrested control of our society from the bible beaters only to be sorely disappointed once again.
No one would be complaining if it was shot down by a mere 51%. Majority is majority and as voters we need to respect that.
Re: reDONKulous – Upholding the state's constitution and changing the state's constitution are two different things. You can not compare what the state's supreme court did to the outcome of this possibly (most likely) passed prop 8.
51% = majority rules, that's how democracy works
What a bunch of fucking hypocrites on this site. Your candidate won and NOW you want Perez to stop talking politics? You have LOVED the political shit for months, but NOW you want it to end. HYPOCRITES!
Re: MeliZoops – We might be idiots be we stopped the gays from getting married…lol
It's called Democracy…..
Sorry Perez … but if it had been defeated by 51% you'd be saying something totally different. In this case, you'll just have to wait until someone takes it to court … again.
Just say no to GAYS
My heart is just breaking over this one. No one should be able to tell you that your love is not good enough to commit to one another in marriage. NO ONE. Please, California, don't let this happen. Do everything you can in order to eliminate this most ridiculous discrimination! We have had same-sex marriages in Canada for over 4 years now, and we didn't melt away in the throes of Hell. No one is holding a gun to the head's of the churches forcing anyone to marry same sex couples. We are going along just fine! If you don't want to marry same sex couples you don't have to, but don't tell them that their love means one iota less than the love two opposite sex couples share. Please - this is just breaking my heart seeing this happen…
Oh, please! If it were 51% the way YOU wanted it to go, you'd have no problem with it!
Re: JackieForPresident –
So glad to see someone on here with some sense. Let me guess…you must be from a RED state.
i 100% agree!
it's still too close to call no?
"la esperanza es lo ultimo que muere"
i don't think we should let this happen, there were a lot of misunderstandings, and people were very confused as to what they were voting for, they worded things to their benefit and it isn't fair!
Re: Goodbye Sweet America!!!COLON!!! Goodby – Precedent. If you want to be taken seriously then learn.
As someone who was raised Catholic- I still believe this is so wrong. This isn't about religion people! There is no law going into effect that churches, temples etc. legally have to marry gays, lesbians, transgendered people, etc. All it does is give those who CHOOSE to marry whoever they want the same rights as everyone else. Let's not forget the country we live and the principals of this country.. Every person regardless of age, race, sexual orientation is equal. How hypocritical of us to legalize abortion but not same sex marriages. SHAME ON YOU CALIFORNIA! WAKE UP PEOPLE!
It's called a democracy, Perez! Majority rules! Deal with it!
Re: CrazyBeautiful84 – 206 - your youth, immaturity and lack of tolerance is astounding. Hopefully one day you will grow up. Until then, we can only hope you don't procreate and pass on your bigotry and hatred to the next generation.
Actually Perez…No State should have allowed judges to CHANGE the constitution WITHOUT the Majority Vote in the first place. See…the problem is that half the dummies that look at your site don't know the law, probably didn't read the proposition book and are just agreeing with you because they have no mind of their own. Prop 8 doesn't take away Gay's rights! On the Contrary…Gays have always had rights…just like it was your right (choice) to be gay. I dont want to hear, I was born like that bullshit! If that's the case, are you saying God made the mistake? Or perhaps it was each individual who choose to be gay.
NOT TO MENTION that there is a Domestic Partnership Act that acknowledges the rights of gays the same as "traditionally married straight" couples in the areas of Medical and Legal. What more do you want? Oh I know…you Queens want little children to learn about your choices and lifestyle. Well…I think and 51% of California thinks that is not appropriate. I think that that would only promote homosexuality among children. The school indendent said that they wont be in school books, but are you seriously going to tell me that if a law like this in the Constitution doesn't make history and go in book, you gays will be up their asses to get in the history books in no time. So that was a bucket of bullcrap!
PEREZ:
START THE MOVEMENT: NTWR=No Taxation without Representation
WEBSITE–NTWR.COM
BUMPERSTICKERS
BILLBOARDS
NTWR: Perez you can start the movement!!!! PASS IT ON!!!
LGBT COMMUNITY writing their OWN Declaration of INDEPENDENCE
NTWR: Perez you can start the movement!!!! PASS IT ON!!!
LGBT COMMUNITY writing their OWN Declaration of INDEPENDENCE
NTWR: Perez you can start the movement!!!! PASS IT ON!!!
LGBT COMMUNITY writing their OWN Declaration of INDEPENDENCE
DEFER paying Taxes
DEFER paying Taxes
DEFER paying Taxes
Watch Washington Buckle
NTWR–PEREZ HILTON CAN START THIS MOVEMENT
Eliminate Religion from the LGBT Community Permanently by showing the FINANCIAL POWER that we have.
NTWR; NTWR; NTWR; NTWR; NTWR
Forget Ballots: We are Rich and Powerful; WE NEED TO USE THAT FINANCIAL POWER NOW!
I totally think that discrimination is unacceptable to anyone. And dont you go compare gay discrimination with black and white segrigation. It is not EVEN REMOTELY close to the same. That discrimination took place 50 years ago and wasn't because of a choice that blacks made. But Gay people choose to be gay. Period. I understand there are "gender" confused people and that is a whole other topic in itself.
You have to get thru your pink skull that its not a vote of hate. Its not a vote of discrimination. Its not a vote of segragation. Its a vote of morals and right and wrong. I believe God loves gays too…But he hates your choice and actions! Read the Bible, its in there…I'll go home and read it tonight and point out the exact scripture for you. This country can not allow marriage to be anything more than man and woman. I'm sorry…that is the way God wanted it and we will continue to fight against it to preserve God's word. I'm sorry if you can't accept that. Have a partnership union. Have a celebration. Live together. Share everything with eachother. Buy eachother rings. No one is taking that from you. It just isn't the same as a traditional marriage and will never be.
i wonder what you wouold be saying if your side had won by 51 percent? i am totally for no on prop h8te but dont be a hypocrite
Perez you are a HYPOCRITE of the worst kind. If it was 51% your way there would be NO WAY you would be complaining about the fairness of the vote. You are going to have to deal with the fact that 51% of California does not want Gay Marriage. Sorry
Wow, in 2008 bigotry is alive and live and well after all. BIGOTS.
yet it elects a president.
LOOK IF THE HOMOS REALLY WANT TO GET MARRIED LEGALLY THEN MOVE TO A STATE OR COUNTRY THAT HONORS THAT SHIT AND GET MARRIED THERE AND LIVE THERE. ….OR TAKE THE TIME TO MAKE A WILL OR POWER OF ATTORNEY TO LEAVE ALL YOUR SHIT TO YOUR PARTNER WHEN YOU DIE OR ARE SICK …..IT'S SIMPLE ASSHOLES !!!!!!!! SORRY PEREZ … NIMODO GUEY………. HASTA LA VISTA …………
Re: elphie – You do know Obama is against gay marriage, right?
Well, San Francisco is suing, Gloria is suing in LA
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And in a forum from the advocate someon said that there could be two options.
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#1 - argue that since the court demanded gays and straights be treated equally, so if gay marriage is banned, then straight marriage cannot continue either — this would be pretty wild.
#2 - argue that since gay marriage was found to be a fundamental right, and fundamental rights can't be taken away by initiative (only by constitutional convention) then the entire initiative is invalid.
Re: ohjustshutup –
Yes, I agree.
pretty sure if obama won by just 51% it would still be in his favor . . . just because you don't think it's fair doesn't mean it's not . . . deal with it.
this is really redonkulous!….first mlk…gay is not a race…2 just because ppl don't agree with you doesn't mean they hate you, thats such a childish way to think about things, its ok not everyone is going to agree, if you don't like that live somewhere else! We have a democracy for a reason and majoirty rules, 4 JUDGES OVER TURNED WHAT 61% VOTED ON IN 2000 ON PROP 22!
Duh….majority IS more than**** 50% ****
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You tell 'em how it is Perez!!!!!!!
Yes on Prop 8, this one is for our children!!! The people of California has spoken!!
you stupid ass people, read what Perez said.
51% of your feet are hidden by your fat gut.
Stop whining. You lost. Get over it.
It's amazing to me how many of you say you don't hate, aren't bigoted or prejudiced and are still using words like HOMO and FAG and see nothing wrong with it. I'm sure you're the same people who locked yourselves in your closets last night to curse our newly elected President Obama with the "n" word. These words are hateful and cruel and there will be a day when you get your a$$ kicked for saying it.
Perez, I think it's dead in the water at this point.
Have we not learned that the Majority should not be voting over the minority. Have we not learned our lesson from the past?
Neither should our country be able to choose a president with only 52% of the popular vote..
hey.. JUST SAYIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: 2 Cents – Sorry 2 Cents your argument is made of failsauce.
A) The supreme court is there to oversee the other two branches of government. It is part of the checks and balances of our system. They are allowed to overturn anything whether it gets a majority vote or not, if it violates The Constitution or Bill of Rights. They were allowed to say this was okay.
B) Your argument is based entirely on your belief in your god, which is protected by said constitution. But so is a homosexuals belief in their religion and their god, who says it is ok.
This country was founded so that religion would not affect our policies and freedoms. That is what our ancestors left their countries to find. To now use religion to limit someone else's freedom, goes against our basic rights as Americans.
I don't think Prop 8 was about Hate, but it was about religion and that is an unacceptable reason to change the state constitution. No matter how many people agree with it. It is against homosexual's federal rights.
The supreme court can overturn this too. Even though it got a majority vote.
It needs to go to the Supreme Court.
Don't give up!
PEREZ:
START THE MOVEMENT: NTWR=No Taxation without Representation
WEBSITE–NTWR.COM
BUMPERSTICKERS
BILLBOARDS
NTWR: Perez you can start the movement!!!! PASS IT ON!!!
LGBT COMMUNITY writing their OWN Declaration of INDEPENDENCE
NTWR: Perez you can start the movement!!!! PASS IT ON!!!
LGBT COMMUNITY writing their OWN Declaration of INDEPENDENCE
NTWR: Perez you can start the movement!!!! PASS IT ON!!!
LGBT COMMUNITY writing their OWN Declaration of INDEPENDENCE
DEFER paying Taxes
DEFER paying Taxes
DEFER paying Taxes
Watch Washington Buckle
NTWR–PEREZ HILTON CAN START THIS MOVEMENT
Eliminate Religion from the LGBT Community Permanently by showing the FINANCIAL POWER that we have.
NTWR; NTWR; NTWR; NTWR; NTWR
Forget Ballots: We are Rich and Powerful; WE NEED TO USE THAT FINANCIAL POWER NOW!
Re: The World is Now a Scary Place – NOPE
Let's hope you don't PROCREATE and pass on your beliefs and poison an innocent child's mind with accepting Marriage for same sex couples….one day you will find out when you stand before God so until then….
Sorry but it doesn't make me a HATER that I believe in traditional marriage. 51% Majority rules….get over it
HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with you on the fact that people should have voted no to Prop 8 and in this day, there is no reason why 51% of people should vote against allowing gay couples to marry. People should be allowed to marry whoever they want. But we live in a democratic system where people carry the power with voting.
To say that 51% is not enough of a majority does not hold water.
Granted a little different since President is based on the Electoral College; but under your arguement - People can say it is unfair Obama won because he only got 53% of the votes.
Re: Jacobs Mom – If all the gays left California your economy would collapse. You do know that right? The entire entertainment industry would have to relocate somewhere else. You'd have no decent fashion left. Your cities would end up dying like Detroit. Think before you utter hateful words and ideas.
omg Mrs. Josh Holloway you are so ignorant, first of all Perez is from Cuba not from Mexico, get ur info correct and quit being so ignorant, for people like you Prop 8 was passed! IDIOT
I completely agree. I think form teh bottom of my heart that Prop 8 should not have passed. I used to love the fact that I lived in a liberal state that has always pushed toward progress, but now I am horrified at the number of people who have no respect for love, equality and others attempt to lead a happy life with the ones they love.
BUT I won't give up, and I encourage everyone to continue to fight for equality, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Re: ALL4ONE – All4one you are a idiot that is just running his gay mouth
just saying:
what in the fuck are so many gay haters doing on a GAY mans website
HES ALLOWED TO COMPLAIN
THAT PROP AFFECTED HIM!!
Ummm its called a majority, and if thats how you feel then maybe you should consider the fact that Obama only won by a few more percentage points in the popular vote. Bet you don't think he won with "just" 53% of the vote now do you?
Re: BlancheD –
My intention was only to point out that a majority vote passed Prop 22 in 2000, and looks to have passed Prop 8 in 2008.
Yet it was "totally fair" when a few supreme court judges overturned Prop 22. Is their sole purpose not to uphold the law, and the rights of the people (majority)? Or to push forward the desires of the minority?
Re: 2 Cents – 237 - your ignorance about ANYTHING is mindblowing. To actually BELIEVE that someone would DECIDE to be gay is the dumbest thing I have ever read on here. Why would anyone CHOOSE such a difficult lifestyle? To be the subject of ridicule, hate, bigotry, and small mindedness? Why would anyone CHOOSE that? It is genetic, plain and simple. Read your science books children. Just like evolution, it is a FACT.
Perez….just become a Canadian citizen we don't discriminate over here!
Marriage has been between a man and a women for a long as you Perez and your fellow supporters have been alive. Please stop with this discrimination crap!! For all who do not understand, MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMEN!!! SIMPLE AS THAT!!
Re: 2 Cents – Agreed.
It is a choice, and u can't compare being gay to something people can't change AT ALL. Lohan was straight last year, she wasn't Hispanic last year. It's a lifestyle choice, like a religion or diet.
U can't force people n a democracy to see it as a right. Y don't those men in Utah get to legally marry 10 wives? Y can't people marry their daughters?
Y can't 2 guys get married?
People don't see 'love', they see disturbed.
but I'm against prop 8. ’cause i simply don't care about marriage or the sex life of others. but i do understand those who exercised their right to vote on what they believe is right.
Re: itsallinlove – You realize that the judiciary arm of government upholds the constitution, right? That's why the 4 judges were able to do what they did. If they agree to hear a case on this again you may see the same outcome.
Re: sweetpiece – It will get rejected there to
AGREED!!! Proud to say this was the first election I could vote in and I was NOT in that 51%. And neither were my friends and family.
Just keep beating that dead horse!
Re: 2 Cents – 237 - you speak for GOD now? What a joke. Discrimination in ANY form is wrong. And gays should have just as much right to marry as anyone else. Don't EVER tell me you know what God says or what God thinks you despicable excuse for a human. You know NOTHING but your bigotry and hatred. I PRAY that one of your children grows up to be gay, wants to get married, and you have to explain how mommy hates gay people and GOD HATES THEM TOO.
Its a sad day to be from California!! Hopefully it will find its way back on the ballot somehow!
Re: 2 Cents –
I cant believe the hate spewing from your mouth. That is insane to believe that people choose to be gay. Do you think people choose to live a life of discrimination and hate directed toward them just because of who they love? God loves all of us, straight gay black white bi old young asian hispanic muslim christian jewish and guess what? HE MADE EVERY LAST ONE OF US!! It is a shame that there are people like you to belittle others based on who they love . Being gay isnt a decision, its who you are. I have a gay sister and I understand that after seeing her get abused and discriminated against by people like you. I really hope you live to see Gays fully get the rights you have. Furthermore, I hope you have a gay child when you grow up maybe when it is your own flesh and blood you wont be so negatively close-minded and hateful.
just when you think progress has been made we take yet another step backwards. I myself am not gay but this absolutely disgusts me. how in the world do people think this is okay. when is it ever okay to discriminate. why should one group of people be able to judge others, and decide what they can and cannot do. this is unconstitutional. what happened to "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" Even if you dont support gay marriage why should you get to make that decision for others? and they want to "preserve traditional marriage" so its ok for teenagers to get married but not two men? it is okay for a man to marry 20 wives but two women cant be married? its ridiculous. I hope people take a minute to rationally think about this.
i would've totally voted no on this if i lived in cali, but let's be honest perez- you would NOT be making that argument if it was 51% against prop 8
Re: BlancheD – yea but weren't they put in place to defend the majoirty? not the minority?
Re: reDONKulous – Their purpose is to uphold the constitution. If there are laws that are deemed unconstitutional the laws are overturned. Think segregation. Not the same issue but the same concept.
it's called democracy. obama won with a 53% margin. should we bemoan that? figure it out Perez.
Its still the majority. I'm for gay marriage, but you lost, get over it.
Re: Tara17 – Black and latino voters voted FOR PROP 8 while gays voted for Obama!!! who is FOR PROP 8!!! The gays got stabbed in the back by the latinos and blacks.
no state should be able to make an amendment with 51% of the vote (if thats even accurate) but a new president can be elected with barely more of a margin than that? but of course you won't complain about that…
or how about the fact that we live in a ridiculous two party system where people with any other view than that of reps and dems (which are the same thing) can't even get a candidate on their ballot without paying a crap load of money they don't have…
Re: 2 Cents – Next time you see God would you say hi for me? I hate calling Him because He's so busy all the time. But, it seems you're so well informed on all of His plans so you must see Him all the time. Anyway, please pass along my love.
Im all for gay marriage, but a majority is a majority dipshit
Re: JackieForPresident – you are exactly what s wrong in this country.
Re: chicagogirl – Yes, Chicagogirl, it is a democracy… Perez and I and others here have not only heard of it, but we understand the meaning behind that word. Specifically, the constitution goes beyond poliitics, as it is the foundation for all the laws in the present, future, and in many cases, might even have a retroactive impact. The constitution is supposed to transcend political battles, because once that is changed, it cannot even be disputed by the courts. Therefore, what Perez is saying and educated people understand is that the constitution should not be changed by a mere majority vote because it is not clearly the will of the people yet it is difficult to repeal once put into place.
So if you really are proud of our democracy, I recommend you open a book/ surf the internet and learn what it's all about rather than making yourself look like an idiot.
I guess we shouldn't elect a president with 52% of the vote either!!!! Just sayin'
Re: beckye – um last i checked polygamy was illegal…so no…a guy can't marry 20 wives…not legally…gays can live together and do what they want to, just like a polygamist can live with 20 women and call them his wives…but neither of those unions are legal
all gays do is pass around aids anyways
Be careful what you ask for. Going back to the early 1900's, 70+% of the California constitutional amendments that passed would have failed if they required 2/3 vote to pass.
i don't think that the amendment was a good thing at all, but if they change that then no one should be elected to political office with that small of a margin between them. what's the difference between the two. you know how many problems that would cause.
I guess that it's OK for 20% of the population to pick a president though??? Majority should rule. It's disappointing that people aren't tolerant today, but what's worse is the apathy by so many. I had urged my fraternity brother and his husband, who were married in Canada, to get married in CA a few months ago, hoping that my wife and I could go, but I guess the 'phobes (who are probably at home now watching lesbian porn) cared more than the people who didn't care BUT didn't vote that they didn't care… sad
Prop H8TE never should have passed. It's disgusting and hateful, and I'm disappointed in so many people for thinking it was okay to vote "yes". EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!
Re: itsallinlove – No they were not put in place to defend the majority. The supreme court's entire job is defend the constitution and decide whether ANY law put in place violates it.
This means they can overturn any case they choose to have visit their courts.
They are to protect the rights as governed by the constitution and it doesn't matter if that protects the majority or the minority.
If it is unconstitutional, it's unconstitutional.