Just Sayin'
Filed under: InspirationNO STATE should be allowed to make a constitutional amendment with just 51% of the vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: November 5, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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Just Sayin'Filed under: InspirationNO STATE should be allowed to make a constitutional amendment with just 51% of the vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted: November 5, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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Re: itsallinlove – No. They were put in place to uphold the constitution. If a law is unconstitutional it will be overturned. The biggest risk here is not that Prop 8 passed but whether or not the constitution will be rewritten to add that marriage can only exist between one man and one woman. If that happens this fight will get a heck of a lot harder.
Most states take their constitution seriously and require super majorities at the very least to change the constitution. I would suggest lobbying for such a change in CA now. OF course there is hope there seems to be some legal confusion around Prop 8. If the constitution gave marriage rights and now they are being taken away it's a revision and not a simple amendment. A 2/3 majority is required and Prop 8 will have to go back to the drawing board.
Re: djtart – From your keyboard to God's eyes.
Re: GA_Dawgette – just saying that if you are trying to uphold traditional marriage maybe you think about that.
btw mormons are the ones who raised over 20 million for prop 8
double standard? i think so
You people scare me.
Go read the book 1776.
Study our history, learn about our process.
Mario, you are showing very clear signs towards communism.
IF I REASONED THE WAY YOU DID THEN OBAMA SHOULDN'T GET THE PRESIDENCY JUST BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY I FEEL. Who the F*** would care what millions decided. That is the way you reason. It is so far off, it scares me what is happening to this beautiful democracy our forefathers developed for us.
I am so glad this is over the people have spoken 51% or 100% we live in a democracy everyone who had an opinion voted on this issue in California MARRIAGE IS A UNION BETWEEN ONE WOMAN AND ONE MAN the people of California have spoken so Perez and the rest of you liberals get over it.
Re: Butterfly08 – AMEN!!!
Re: BlancheD – 289. Thanks for the laugh Blanche. Couldn't agree more.
Re: peopleplease – You didn't elect a president. The electoral college did. You should have learned that in 2000 if you missed it in school.
Perez, I am very saddened to see that H8te was passed! I can't believe how far back some Americans still are. Come to to Canada, we accept gay marriages in all provinces and territories!
What's BULLSHIT is that the signs that I bought and put up were stolen. I could care less how you feel, because you could care less how I feel.
No on 8 people really did themselves in by not allowing for FREEDOM OF SPEECH when people put signs up.
You can't really expect people to care about your rights when their rights are impeded on during the process.
So let me get this straaaighht (no pun intended)
two people in love, same sex means nothing, are NOT allowed to get married BUT the wackos in UTah are allowed to have 20 wives, 86 kids and then marry off their daughters starting at 14…oh and step fathers can choose to marry their own daughters…THAT IS ALLOWED?!?!?
WHERE DO WE LIVE AGAIN?? ReDiC
And gay is a choice everytime you have sex, just as I chose as a woman to have sex with a man. You also have the choice to be celebate as you obviously have another option (celebacy) to hide your difference you are not a minority group. Can African American people choose to hide their minority status? No. Its not hate, you have a great domestic union legislation in california you just didn't win the right to have marriage on your piece of paper. You can use in conversation, on your invitations just not on your marriage liscense.
Besides Obama is for 8 and your head was so far up his ass during the election, you probably turned him.
I'm so sorry. I'm sad and angry about it but I feel worse for those on the receiving end of the discrimminaion. I don't know what comes next. This can't be the deciding vote forever. I have hope for the future.
*** NO STATE should be allowed to make a constitutional amendment with just 51% of the vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ***
Awwww….you lose, and refuse to admit it?
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I AM SOO DEPRESSED!!!!!!!!!!
Re: The World is Now a Scary Place – You're welcome and thank you.
Re: geekfreek000 – Umm…tard…
It's the state consitution…not the US Consitution. BIG difference there. Perhaps you should go back to school.
the only thing about prop 8 is that for the people who proposed it, this was a morality issue that had nothing to do with equality. personally I agree, but it is unfair to gays and lesbians to a certain extent. I'm just sayin.
please, if the roles were reversed, and you were on the WINNING side you'd be talking differently.
stick to the gossip, perez.
Re: ppphhhttt – President Obama is not for Prop 8. His position is against Gay marriage at the FEDERAL level. He and Vice President Biden both said they would NOT support Prop 8. You can see Vice President Biden say it very clearly on Ellen.
I honestly STILL can't believe in the year 2008, after all the advancements we have made in bringing discrimination to a halt, we are still closed minded enough to not let people in love be together with the same civil rights as everyone else in this world has, solely because they are attracted to someone of the same gender. It sickens me really, I mean, last time I checked sexual orientation WAS NOT a choice, it's something that you are born with, it's something you deal with your entire life.. and as if it isn't hard enough to have to deal with the asshole who discriminate based on this alone to begin with, getting picked on in school (not to mention harassed, beaten the hell out of, and worst case scenario fucking killed), hell I know people from the LGBT community who deal with discrimination and all around hate their entire life, not to mention most of them felt the need to hide it for years because they were petrified of how they would be judged, and on top of all of this and much more, they are finally given the chance to be treated as equal and have the same rights as us, and we continue to make that illegal for them to do…
I'd rather bring a child into this world and teach them that love of all kinds is accepted, tolerated, and most importantly not something that deserves any sort of unfair treatment because it isn't the norm. I just hope for the sake of future generations, people can learn to accept everyone as equals, this is total bullshit, yes majority rules, but anyone who would go out and vote yes on this prop.- not to mention the fact that there was enough of you assholes out there to make this possible- should be ashamed of themselves for ruining other people's lives voting yes for something that in no way shape or form includes them.
Re: ppphhhttt – Can minorities hide their minority status you asked? Michael Jackson sure does!
There should at least be more to it than a majority vote. It takes a lot more to change our national constitution, so why do states only need a majority? But I wonder if this won't go to court, being that the Supreme Court of California ruled on the issue of gay marriage. I guess we will see what the future holds.
Get over yourself Perez. You wouldnt be saying that if it had gone the other way.
Our nation chose a President, the leader of our country, with 51% of the popular vote. So, the logic that 51% is unfair doesn't work. Btw, Florida has to be 60% to pass.
I AM SOO DEPRESSED!!!!!!!!!! BE AT THE RALLY!!!
I agree, it should be like atleast 75%
Marriage is the union between a man and a woman, and I guarantee you at the time that was documented to be the "be all, end all" of marriage.. that the people who documented it, at least one of them, was attracted to someone of the same sex. The ONLY reason it was not looked at as something that should be done is because back then it was such taboo, so fucking hidden, that most people wouldn't dare have the balls to openly express their love for someone of the same sex, most forced themselves to be miserable and depressed attached to someone of the opposite sex while they snuck around and did things they actually liked behind closed doors. Now that being "gay" has been something people have been able to be honest about and no longer feel the need to have to hide.. there is NO DOUBT in my mind that that little rule there should be changed to adapt to the times that have also changed drastically. You can't honestly tell me back then that no one who had anything to do with the "Bible" was never, and never thought, about being with someone of the same fucking sex, it isn't a fucking choice, it's something your born with- back then they couldn't be happy and embrace that, now that people are able to do so publicly, why the fuck shouldn't they be able to have every right every straight person has?
Do your math Perez. 51% is the majority…so just because YOU think it isn't the right thing for the state of California…the majority of citizens apparently do! DEAL WITH IT!
GET OVER IT.
IF IT HAD FAILED,YOU'D BE RUNNING YR MOUTH ABOUT HOW GREAT THE VOTING SYSTEM IS. IT WAS DECIDED BY THE MAJORITY VOTE….THATS THE WAY THINGS SHOULD BE DONE IN AMERICA…..BY THE WAY,DID YOU VOTE? IN LONDON????
as Jesus would say himself…." It is FINISHED!"
THANK YOU PEREZ!
you're my hero and i love you endlessly.
plus, passing prop 8 does NOT eliminate gays from existing/kissing/hugging/being in the media.
they just aren't married.
SO HA:)
NO COUNTRY should be allowed to vote in a president with just 52% of the vote.
Perez–I am so sorry that Prop 8 has passed. I followed the issue from Ohio and hoped that prop hate would be defeted. It disgusts me that people want to discriminate like this. Makes me sick. Keep fighting for equality. There are many people that want equality! YES WE CAN! it is possible.
some people don't realize that they can't vote to take away a minority groups' rights. you can't just vote on whatever the hell you want, and if 51 out of 100 people agree with you, make it a law.
whoever voted yes on that, i would like to hear a GOOD reason why.
one that doesn't involve mixing church and state.
one that ISN'T discriminatory.
one that ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE.
but more than that: one that is FACTUALLY CORRECT.
cause i have yet to hear one.
it isn't "democratic" to steal the right for others to marry who they choose.
it isn't "democratic" to control other peoples' lives because of YOUR religious beliefs.
it isn't "democratic" to force your opinions on people.
people say they're not 'ready' for this. well, then, you just keep that black person chained up in your back yard. we'll wait until you're ready to abolish slavery.
you keep yelling at your daughter for wanting to marry a white man before the 1960's. that's okay. we'll wait for you to be ready to accept interracial marriage.
don't worry.
we're still here.
waiting for you to be ready.
people say that prop 8's gonna make their kids learn about gays.
firstly, why is teaching tolerance a bad thing? that's what i wanna know. what, you think that if your kid is gay, the world is gonna stop spinning? will you love them any less for it? if your 10 year old daughter reads 'King and King', is she gonna show up with a girlfriend the next day?
second of all, and this really shouldn't even be an issue, but actually it's impossible for any teacher to teach about gay marriage in school. i'm in school right now (i'm a sophomore) and i can tell you that throughout my education in all public schools, never once have i learned anything about marriage, gay or straight. why? because there's really nothing to talk about. two people love each other, they want to be with each other for the rest of their lives, so they get married. that's it.
well in prop 8 it mentions nothing about teaching it in schools. people bring up Massachusetts– guess what? they're not california. yeah, crazy i know. you do realize that their policies and their constitution are different than ours, right? in california, parents have to sign off on everything. you don't want your kid to learn it? cool. just sign on the dotted line.
you say it will destroy the "sanctity" of marriage. sorry, but that's a load of bullshit. don't fucking play us. no one believes that shit. my parent's marriage isn't gonna change at all if we let our lesbian neighbors marry. (and doesn't it disturb you that i have to say "let them marry"?)
oh, and like all straight marriages are perfect. you know, quickie vegas marriages, britney's 55 hour marriage, shit, my mom's first marriage– yeah, those are all so sacred and holy.
uh huh. and while you're at it, why don't you tell me that the sky is green and cows jump over the moon every night with slinkies ducktaped to their feet?
sorry, but i actually have a brain.
then people say that their "religious freedom" will be compromised.
firstly, what about the gay's freedom? huh? you're not the one being forced to wait outside in the hospital as your loved one dies.
and you're worried about YOUR freedom?!
also, churches won't get sued if they don't preform gay marriages. that's a lie that the vicious prop 8 propaganda has circulated to the public in order to fool them and make them believe something that's false in order to get their votes.
so, all in all, why would anyone be dumb enough to vote for prop 8?
Re: BlancheD – yeah but if he had supported it on a fed level, c.a. wouldnt have be denied equal marriage rights. he only said that b/c he disagrees with it but wants to play it safe by putting it in the states hands so he doesnt have to get himself dirty. and whats the point of having a marriage liscence that less than half america doesnt recognize. you still have discrimination and division among states which make the progressive process delayed even longer. dont try to protect Obama.contrary to popular opinion, it is possible for him to be wrong.
does recognize*
I voted No on 8 but that's just a silly statement, Perez. That's like saying no country should be able to elect a president with 51% of the vote. When "the people" speak, we may not like what they say, but it's called democracy, dumbass.
people are saying that if obama was voted in in under 60%, then this should be too.
actually, when you think about it, that doesn't make much sense.
you see, we CHANGED THE CONSTITUTION.
you know, permanently.
it's not gonna go back.
that's it.
that's all.
obama? he has 4 years to work his magic.
if he fucks up majorly, we impeach him.
but CHANGING the constitution?
uh, you don't wanna mess around with that.
i understand that we're going through a crisis right now, but we can't change the way our president is elected because of that.
but to actually ban a civil right to a group of people with a 51% vote? to change the constitution with the smallest margin possible?
that isn't right.
and really, do ANY of us have the RIGHT to vote on whether someone can marry another person? does that right even belong to us?
no, it doesn't.
Re: Taylor! –
here's something that is FACTUALLY CORRECT for you, to all of you UNDEREDUCATED
TO TAYLOR!
The statement Perez made is spot on.
A constitution should not be ammended any time the political winds change direction. It is in place to protect fundamental rights of minority groups from being trampled upon. For this reason the U.S. constitution may only be ammended by a two-thirds majority in both the Senate and the House of Representatives.
Those of you who rant about simple majority rule really should have paid attention in civics! Perhaps you should start by reading the Federalist papers by Hamilton, Madison, etc.
Imagine a nation in which African-americans or women could be denied the right to vote just because 51% of people thought they shouldn't! How about denying interracial couples the right to marry…again.
It is awful that the Florida proposition passed but at least they have some sort of standards for ammending their constitution (though it would have failed by 1% if they required a 2/3 majority instead of merely 60%).
CA needs to seriously evaluate our ammendment process.
The potential approval of prop 8 is an abomination and an assault on everything America stands for but it's not over yet! Wait till all the votes are counted.
P.S. It's not "whining" it's called engaging in a political discussion and making your voice heard.
Perez,
I usually agree with you…but how can you say that when Barack only wont the popular vote with 52%?????
Love ya babe, but really, don't preach stupidity.
It sucks about Prop 8, but the people have spoken, the same way they did about Barack.
Re: Miss McGillicutty – or the government could just take away your marriage rights, i bet you'd be able to get the hell over that.
Isn't this the first time in our nations history that a state constitution is being amended to take away the rights of a group of people. This is a civil rights issue. If you take take one little word out - gay - and replace it with another - black, hispanic, jewish, whtc. white, people would be outraged. The fact that this was even up for a vote is a disgrace.
Re: Pogue Mahone – you are ridiculous! the gays aren't crying over spilt milk here. this is about equal rights. what if blacks had their marriage rights revoked?
Re: shamrock – Yes it is! The rights of an exclusive group anyway. Prohibition took rights away but from everyone. It did not discriminate. What was that the 21st ammendment? Somewhere around there. Also drinking is not quite as serious as this I would say.
While I'm at it…
this ammendment may be passed with a simple majority but it requires a 2/3 majority to overturn (unlike a statute).
Is that right? I think not.
Re: 3and2cats – Marriage isn't sared anymore!! With a divorce rate of over 50% more than half the population doesn't take marriage seriously anymore anyway. Why should they? God created us all EQUAL! Equal without equal rights? That makes no sense. Not very long ago it was considered wrong for a black human to marry a white human. Marriage was SACRED and interacial marriage was considered wrong. In 1953 a white man named Richard Perry Loving fell in love with and married a black woman named Mildred Loving which was banned in the commonwealth of Virgina. During their hearing Johann Friedrich Blumenbach was quoted by the trial judge, " Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, Malay and red, and He placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with His arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that He separated the races shows that He did not intend for the races to mix." Thank God that this is no longer the way our society feels or we would not have the the president elect that we have today, as he is a product of an interacial relationship. We just voted for change! Now let's take another step towards equality!
51% is the MAJORITY. That is what this country was founded on, the MAJORITY wins. Why is it that all people that are against gay marraige are homophobes? I personally believe that gay couples should be entitled to the same rights as every other couple, BUT not be allowed to call themselves married. Civil union, domestic partnership, whatever but NOT MARRIED. A marraige is by definition a holy sanctity between a MAN and a WOMAN. As long as you are getting insurance or mortgages together then why do you want a religous based ceremony anyway? Just to say we win?
Re: ladycat – I like th eway you put it!
Liberals, if you don't get it voted in (and Californians voted for a similar measure before!) you clog the system with lawsuits and get a judge to do your dirty work. GET OVER IT. And seriously, even at 65% few things would ever get through.
NO to prop h8
AMEN!!! thoday was a day of silence for me and many of my school mates
Re: ladycat – Last time I checked, separate but equal didn't work out so well. If you think about the discrimination that many are facing today with respect to equal marriage rights in a historical context, I think you will see that it is blatantly wrong. We have done this before, and it took the supreme court of the United States to finally say that separate but equal was unconstitutional- we will overcome!
Re- Sawyer's Dad.
Your eloquence is an asset to our cause. Thank you for your bravery and for being such an admirable force for positive change!
There are people who would have been just as pissed off as you are had it gone the other way, yet if it would have been "No" on 8 by 51% you would have taken that shit and run. I am against prop 8, but the majority has spoken and that's what voting is all about. Shut up wait until next time.
So if it had not passed by only 51% would you still be complaining? It's the law now cry yourself a river, build a bridge and get over it.
IT's ENOUGH to pass!! GET OVER IT — get your fag hags n whine somewhere else!!!
Its called Majority vote!!! what about that doesn't seem legitimate!?! It passed in 2000 and there was no doubt in my mind that it would pass this time. Im glad I helped the 51% so my kids wont have to learn about it. But don't get me wrong, I have nothing wrong with people being gay or a domestic partnership…I just have a problem that my children would be taught that boys can marry boys and girls can marry girls. I feel like prop 8 should have been written better and maybe I would have voted no. Gays do as you please as long it does not affect my life or my childs in any way, shape or form!
You conservatives are fucking hypocrites. Maybe you all should stop whining and asking God to have mercy on this country because Obama was elected…"Oh I'm so scared now", "I can't wait until Obama fucks up", "I hope your happy you stupid liberals", etc.
To take a page out of your book, STOP FUCKING WHINING AND GET OVER IT. IT'S DONE WITH AND THE COUNTRY HAS SPOKEN. OBAMA IS PRESIDENT AND WILL BE FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS (at least).
Blah blah blah…if you all can bitch about Obama then the gays certainly have the same right. Or are we taking that right away from them too? Assholes.
actually thats stupid, what if obama won by only 51%. thousands of dollars will be wasted just to start all over again.
But if it went the other way, "P" boy would be licking assholes for the rest of the year. Stop crying. This is another case that HIGHER ups are saying that GAYS are not normal.
HAHA
Well, if your adiment about that, why should a president win with just 51% of the vote? Because, the winner takes all. I fucking HATE Obama, but I am willing to support him within reason. Don't like it Perez? Get out. You'll NEVER have it as well as you do now, amendment 8 or not. NEVER.
ummmm i'm pretty sure (actually positive) Obama only won with 53%, only 2% away from the 51% that Prop 8 passed with! AND THAT IS FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA…
i say those who are opposed to Obamas win should file lawsuits as well.
Good gosh, get over it, wait your 4 years. WE HAVE TO!
i agree with you perez. it's heartbreaking.
and i hate the ignorant comments that people post here. how can you stand it?
the people have spoken, majority rules
sry, whats done is done
I am sure you wouldn't have a problem with 51% of the vote if the vote had gone your way. Admit defeat and move on. Quit playing the victim.
UNLESS the 51% was in favor of something you want, like legalized buttfucking, in which case you'd be all for it, wouldn't you, you bloated ass hypocrite?
Do you want some cheese with that whine? You already have the violin serenade.
oh my god, perez i usually like you
but seriously
just stfu.
just because gay people cant get married
DOES NOT MEAN the world is over.
seriously
people need to stop making a big deal
who the fuck cares anymore
its passed, deal with it
Re: BlancheD – Thanks for the spell check, but you got it so don't worry ’bout me.
I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i live in california and am pretty damn ashamed. who are you to tell people who they can and cannot marry? everyone deserves the right to be happy and share their life with whomever they choose. whether you approve of gay marriage or not, they're not hurting anyone by marrying. they want the same rights as everyone else. prop 8 is unfair and disgusting. here's hoping the remaining ballots will change the current outcome.
Re: ChineseDickFingers –
YOUR A DISGUSTING BASTARD!
I CANT BELIEVE HOW EVIL SOME OF THE READERS HERE ARE. IMAGIN FOR A MOMENT YOUR RIGHTS WERE SUBJECT TO A VOTE!! ITS CREUL AND EVIL. I HOPE ONE DAY ALL YOU IDIOTS HERE THAT MAKE THESE INSANE COMENTS GET WHAT YOU DESERVE.
I know it's already been said too many times here, but… If Prop 8 got shot down by 51%, would you be bitchin'?
Then why should PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS be won that way either than, hmmm????? OH YEA, because we have a CONSTITUTION! Seems everyone has forgotten about that little piece of paper.
Re: PIGezHIVton –
This isnt homophobic? you people are sick. i hope you don't breed.
If no STATE can make an AMENDMENT with a 51% majority, how do you explain that OBAMA won the election by 51% POPULAR VOTE….Think before you type…Your words hurt yourself
but a country can elect a man to the presidency with only 49% of the popular vote….tad hippocritacal u hippo
yeah, and if it was the other way around, you'd be just fine to win by 1%.
DAMN STRAIGHT. HELL YEA PEREZ IM WIT U!
Get over yourself, if the results would have been in your favor you would be dancing in the streets. The people of Cal have spoken, and you'll just have to live with it.
So I guess it is ok to elect a president with just 52% of the vote….huh, noticing a bit of hypocrisy Perez.
it's true…we are a democracy and majority rules…however, this is discrimination. and i can't believe this is even being voted on. nobody should have the right to tell you who you can marry.
No people from out of state should be legally aloud to fund a proposition! Stay out of our state's business! MORMONS!
BUTTERFLY-YOUR BIGOTRY AND IGNORANCE SCARES ME,AND REMINDS ME OF THE UGLY IGNORANT RED AREAS OF THE COUNTRY,FCK OFF BIGOT.
Re: chicagogirl – So the majority were right when they denied blacks the right to vote?
The majority always know whats best right?
Assholes
Re: TorontoMike – You are looking at it the wrong way. They are taking away a civil right! that should require more than 50% of votes.
I would hope that all those that voted yes on prop 8 got their rights taken away…. but then again I am not as hateful as them.
Re: geekfreek000 – Well said.
well, the constitution was never designed to GRANT government the power to do anything. Read the Bill of Rights, and notice that the writers took great care to clearly say, "Congress shall make no law…."; "The judicial power of the United States shall not…"; "The right of the people… shall not be violated…"
Fucked up and a half.
that is the true meaning of 'democracy' perez… majority rules… 51% is a majority… and it totally sux that people in the united states, in california, or ANY people, would vote in such a descriminatory bill… very sad
This isn't an issue of democracy/majority rules, guys. This bill should never have even come up for consideration in this day and age.