South Carolina Catholic Priest Says No Communion Wafers For Unrepentant Obama Voters
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We'll skip the editorializing on this and just report the facts.
South Carolina Catholic priest Jay Scott Newman has told his parishioners in a letter that if they voted 'Barack Hussein Obama' and don't ask for forgiveness for doing so before taking the Body and Blood of Christ, their souls will be at risk!
His reason?
Says the priest, "Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president. Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exists constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."
Wow. Wow. Wow.
What do U think about what this priest is doing????
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Honestly, how much credibility can we put in a religion that has systematically over-looked pedophilia, and in fact, continues to move Catholic priests to new parishes instead of pressing charges on those who commit crimes against innocent children?
Who on Earth is going to listen to these ridiculous people dictate ultimatums about U.S. voting priviledges?! OUTRAGEOUS.
Go spend your wrath and your energies on righting the wrongs of your own Catholic messes.
hahaha you guys are ridiculous. You guys don't know anything about the Catholic faith CLEARLY. In the Catholic faith, abortion is a mortal sin. If you have a mortal sin on your hands, and you receive the Lord into your body, it brings you further from the Lord. That is just a basic belief the Catholics have, that all of you people that consider yourselves Catholic should know. Barack Obama said, that if there is a botched abortion, and the baby accidentally lives, the doctor should still kill it outside of the womb. Voting for this would be a sin in the Catholic faith, and would mean that receiving communion would bring you further from God, and you should ask for forgiveness. The Priest did nothing wrong, all he did was warn the Catholics who voted for Obama because he cares about them. All the Catholic faith teaches, is to be nice to one another, and to love one another. Killing babies is not loving, there for it is a sin, and you should not receive communion until you confess the sin. You people should learn a little bit before you make ridiculous comments and assumptions.
Re: dunzoooo – i am woman. and what makes it my choice? or my embryo? an embryo is a sperm and an egg…tell me, do you produce both? would i, or any woman, ever even be faced with the decision of abortion if it weren't for a man? no. so it is not MY choice. if it is a choice at all, it is OUR choice. the man i had sex with and me. we performed an act that leads to pregnancy, so WE decide how to deal with this pregnancy. accept responsibility.
furthermore, explain your comment "there is NO doubt in my mind that if it were men who needed to get abortions, it would be legal and there would be NO debate about it." um. abortion is legal. please, at least make a sound argument.
and if you want to talk viability, is a toddler viable? no. a 2 year old cannot survive without a care-taker. what about your aging mother and father? will they be able to "vie" for themselves until death? doubtful. shall we kill them? what about children who have mental and cognitive disorders who cannot cook themselves meals, or drive themselves to the store? shall we kill them too? please, i've argued pro-choicers with better defenses than "viability".
Re: Why_Me? – less than one percent of 1,300,000 abortions a year are from rape. do you hate men? please, tell me why you throw the other 1,299,000 men under the bus? i don't know what your experience has been, but i have a loving father, brother, brother in law, and male friends. ALL would keep the life of their child, relinquishing any responsibility of the mother if she choosed, over having an abortion. grow up - there are a phenomenal amount of good men in this world.
Re: dunzoooo –
you've failed to check your facts. whoops.
There are 25 states (that's half) that are are Full-Coverage Unborn Victim States (States With Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Children as Victims Throughout the Period of Pre-natal Development) and 10 Partial-Coverage Unborn Victim States (States with Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Children as Victims, But only During Part of the Period of Pre-natal Development)
For example:
Ohio: At any stage of pre-natal development, if an "unborn member of the species homo sapiens, who is or was carried in the womb of another" is killed, it is aggravated murder, murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, aggravated vehicular homicide, and vehicular homicide. Ohio Rev. Code Ann. §§ 2903.01 to 2903.07, 2903.09 (Anderson 1996 & Supp. 1998).
Simple as google.
I just believe the catholic church needs to stop telling me what to do with my body!!!! Pro-choice 4 life!
Re: arrora whore-realis –
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AS WE KNOW ALL THE SMART PEOPLE VOTED FOR BUSH II, RIGHT DEAR?
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i'm catholic and this is just stupid
that is so close minded and ridiculous you can't force that on someone
and catholics aren't all crazy im sorry but thats offensive
the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was creating organized religion.
wasn't it god himself (or herself) that gave man free will? wasn't it so we could make our own decisions? was it not for good reason?
and why would you ever need a man in a robe tell you what to think if you already had god in your heart?
ah, so many questions.
Re: jj01234 – i obviously know abortion is legal, but what i'm saying is that there would not be such an intense debate about it–or about covering birth control under health plans, for that matter– if men were the ones to whom the procedure applied. this is a man-controlled world, that was my point.
and by the way viable, adj, b. (of a fetus) having reached such a stage of development as to be capable of living, under normal conditions, outside the uterus.
that is viability.
So go to another church. If enough Catholics vote with their feet and the church feels the money crunch, they'll give in. It's all about money with all religions.
Catholics have abortions all the time. Get a clue, bud.
He can FUCK OFF! The parishioners of his church should stop throwing their hard earned cash in the basket. Those funds go to pay off lawsuits from Kid raping priets. FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!
Do a google search for Obama's stance of abortion…he is PRO abortion…once more do a google search on Obama's beliefs on late term abortions that go "wrong" and survive the attempted abortion. When someone tries to say Obama is not super gung ho about abortion…YES HE IS…his words state he is if you do a google search on Obama's voting record and his own statements. What is more important the right to get rid of an unwanted "fetus"…I like how when a woman who wants her child says she is having a baby…when a woman doesn't want the pregnancy, she suddenly is destroying a "fetus" not a baby. Also, if you are pregnant and someone kills you; they are tried for killing you and your unborn baby…so what is the difference? Peace out
Everyone can say what they want to about priests molesting kids. but in every walk of life theres bad seeds..and its not fair that just the priests get the bad rap. this does not make it OK to kill innocent babies, which is was abortion is. if you are catholic, then your presidential choice was clear, and i do agree with this priest. sorry.
But it's ok to butt screw little boys and still preach the word of God. Who would take a wafer from these creeps anyway, with 10 year old boy butt juices on them.
Re: Marissa11 – the woman already made the choice of what to do with her body by having sex! that is the choice, after that, it murder!
Re: dunzoooo – if she didnt want the fetus she shouldnt have had sex
If you are a catholic and you voted for OBAMA, then everything this man is saying is TRUE.
you shouldn't accept the body of christ and drink his blood.
YOU VOTED FOR ABORTION. WHAT CATHOLICS AND CHRISTIANS ARE AGAINST.
jackasses.
Perez Hilton and your bunch of ignorant supporters:
YOU AREN'T CATHOLICS! So keep your stupid noses out of our business! Especially when YOU are saying that WE should keep our religion out of politics!
And as for abortion: I (and probably most catholics) think that abortion is murder. I believe that it is just as bad as killing your own (born) child just because you cant care for it any more or you dont want it. Nothing you say or do is going to persuade me any differently, so shut up about it.
Re: dunzoooo –
You say that most abortions are performed before the embryo even develops into a fetus and that to compare a mother to something that isn't even alive is ludicrous: BUT I DO THINK THAT IT IS ALIVE! Get your facts straight - Catholics believe that the soul is implanted on the moment of conception.
AND WILL PEOPLE STOP PICKING ON CATHOLICS. There are lots of other religions out there with faults.
Also, all you women who say that no one should tell you what to do with your body - you are just cowardly murderers who would rather kill their own child than accept a little responsibility. If you are stupid enough to get pregnant when you dont want to then you should pay the price, not your baby.
I keep hearing cries about 'separation of church & state'. Do you even know where that comes from or are some of you just spewing out random words?
1st Amendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…" means the government can't chose a religion to support.
It does NOT mean that a religion can't support a particular style of government. (That is covered elsewhere under other rules.)
As for the priest withholding communion, unless I'm reading it wrong, historically that's a choice only up to Archbishops. Not the local priest. We went through all this a few years ago with with John Kerry.
The seperation of church and state goes both ways asshole. And for the record nobody is "pro-abortion" they are pro-choice. Don't be dicks.
sick sick man
Re: manman – that is just the most foolish defense i have ever heard. people make mistakes. it takes two people to have sex. there is such a thing as rape. sex education is a joke in this country. i'm a nineteen-year-old sophomore at notre dame. my school does not give out birth control or condoms because we're catholic. and i know a girl here who had no idea the pull-out method isn't effective birth control.
we need abortion rights to protect women. sex education programs are not going to improve. catholicism is archaic and irresponsible. you cannot just tell people to wait until marriage and that condoms are a sin. you cannot just say abortion is a sin according to MY religion, therefore it should be banned everywhere. a forced pregnancy, according the the UN human rights council, is TORTURE. it would be against humanity to overturn roe v. wade.
Re: snaily – you personally think it is alive. not everyone believes it is alive. science does not believe it is alive. i think i'll take my chances with science instead of an archaic "religion" that tells people what they're doing is wrong and they're guilty of sin ALL the time. the time of organized religion is coming to a close. that is why all of these churches are fighting so hard; because they're scared. they know the world is fed up with their bullshit and that's why they're trying to brainwash their followers.
God gave us all free will. in my opinion, what Jesus told me in the Synoptic Gospels is more important than what the Catholic church has made up as it has gone along in history. The Catholic Church's history is nothing more than a corrupt, money-grubbing COMPANY.
I think he should leave the politics to the pros and stick to his day job messing with little boys. Wait… no. Someone should fire him all together!
Sadly, I think that this is a popular belief. I had someone tell me that even if McCain was wrong on every single thing she would still vote for him because the "Holocaust of the unborn" is the most important issue.
It's just ignorance and fear that it being spread around by freaks like this guy. People in church are bred to only be concerned with abortion and gay marriage when it comes to politics because "God will take care of the rest"
Re: dunzoooo –
WELL PUT!
he will eradicate every law passed in the last 30 years with the freedom of choice act. So yes abortion is a homicide, especially when the baby survives the abortion and the doctors leave it to die alone (actually happened, nurse sued hospital for doing so, obama defended hospital), or snap its neck. Or when you deliver it halfway, crack a hole in the head and sucks its brains out, now people like yourself say the "fetus" is only alive when it comes out of the womb, and in this type of abortion, partial birth, the baby is delivered head first, so isnt it alive? making it homicide? So please do not tell me i don't know what i am talking about. I know exactly what I am talking about.
I am so glad I am also a recovering catholic! Pro-choice does NOT equal pro-abortion!
Re: Johnson – partial birth abortion isn't a medically-correct term. and as i stated before, these procedures only make up 0.2% of abortions. oh and don't think i'm talking out of my ass or anything. it's only npr.org talking. that's all.
and this: "he will eradicate every law passed in the last 30 years with the freedom of choice act" seems very hypocritical to me. anyone pro-choice is protecting freedom of choice. but maybe that's just me, i don't know.
oh and, in general, go to ontheissues.org /social /barack_obama_abortion.htm
that'll give you all his views on abortion. personally, i think what he believes is on the mark. we need stronger sex education, easier access to birth control and we need to stop introducing anti-abortion legislation into senate. he also believes pro-choicers ignore the moral issues, which may be true. i personally believe that it is a very, very monumental decision. everyone on here is acting as if women who get abortions are murderers and do it all the time. a woman who has had an abortion, on average, doubles her chances for miscarrying later in life. and most doctors who perform the procedures let women know this. women who get abortions suffer from depression, suicide ideation, you name it. it IS a moral decision to have an abortion. but it's a personal decision that should be just that: a decision. it should not be closed off because some church says it's against their doctrine.
GOOD!!! Obama is for murdering of children and that is only going to help Americas demise..Stupid fucker. What a piece of shit this country picked..Way to go!
OK. I have to leave this site because too many people on here scare me. Here's a question for all you anti-choice people: Why so few adoptions? The statistical reality is that you say you want all those fetuses born because they're wanted by families…just not yours because you, statistically, reproduce, but don't adopt. Sarah Palin? FIVE biological children, not a single adoption. McCain? Four biological children, ONE adopted. Honestly, children, you better start putting your money where your self-righteous mouths are because none of us are buying your unsubstantiated moralism.
Re: jennlj85 – Yes, God DOES judge people's choices, that's why there is Hell.
its a different world than thousands of years ago….give it a rest the planet has to many unwanted people anyway. Beyond…
Re: arrora – GREAT POINT!!! You just said a mouthful!!!! Everyone should read that!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOBAMA will ruin this nation!!!
Re: SimplyPut – YOU are a complete IDIOT..nuff said!…(hears twighlight zone theme)
Re: Avocado – NEWSFLASH THERE 101…Nobama ISSSSS white!!!! tsk!!
Why are the women always blamed for a pregnancy more than a man?? He shoots his load so its up to him to wrap it. Men are just asmuch to blame as women for unwanted pregnancy..when will they ever use their own birth control??? NEVER.
Re: gotmilk? –
Are you just spewing stuff out of your mouth? Why did you change your profile? What is there to hide from?
You don't make much sense anyhow. What's your point about men wrapping it? Should they be castrated? Free vasectomies for everyone? I AGREE! great idea!
How am I am idiot?
Justify yourself!
Re: gotmilk? – question: are you on drugs?
Perez, honestly, what this guy said was well spoken and true.
You have no say on religion at all, you really shouldn't be talking about the politics either, but seriously, stay away from reporting on religion.
Let me guess, you think communion should have equal rights?
This man obviously can't know who voted for whom, so he isn't withholding communion or anything, he is just saying that voting for Obama is as sin and you shouldn't have communion until you have repented for this sin.
You swear like religious people try to take away your rights, yet you are trying to say what religions should and should not do? A little hypocritical, don't you think?
Re: Borg Queen –
you say they "made" mary magdeline a whore in the bible as if the bible is a work of fiction and they just decided to cast her as a whore…..good point (sarcasm)
It's sad to see how "h8"-ful someone can be when they claim that they want equality and all these other demands. It's true CATHOLICS should not vote for candidates who are pro-abortion (YES, PRO ABORTION, if they were against it they would be ANTI-ABORTION– No one has a right to chose WHO DIES) because it is a fundamental Christian belief. When you DO vote for a candidate who is in favor of any type of abortions then you help advance the cause, it's common sense. SO obviously, you are committing a sin if you're catholic and you should go to confession. Most people think they K N O W and understand the Catholic faith but honestly, if they did, they would be defending not only what they believe but who they are.
That's it. No more tax exempt status for these filthy-rich pricks. You wanna be a priest or a politician? Shit. Why don't they just go back to selling pardons and scaring the crap outta little kids for going poop?
he needs to take that HOLY BREAD… AND STICK it up his ASS-
Fuck religion!
Firstly I would like to say to all you judgemental hypocrits that I'm a Catholic and how dare you judge someone for belonging to a particular religion / faith. Having said that this priest is 110% out of order and is obviously not a true Christian, if he was he would know the only one who can pass judgement on any of us is God himself. While I am a Catholic I do not agree with some the stances the church has, one of those being their stance on abortion as I think it is extremely old fashioned. Women have the right to chose what happens to their bodies, not the church and they shouldnt be comdemned for it.
To criminalize abortion is an act of murder itself… no one can deny that should it become illegal, women will still feel compelled to abort their pregnancy. However instead of abortion being conducted under medical supervision, it will be handled in basements and bathtubs with coat hangers and knitting needles, and some women will not survive this ordeal. Can those who want to criminalize it repent for the blood on their hands for these deaths?
Re: TanyaT – THANK YOU. I WAS JUST GOING TO POST THAT !!! WRITE TO HIM AND HIS SUPERIOR WITH OPINIONS. I AM. I AM OUTRAGED AND WON'T LET THIS GO. HE NEEDS TO ANSWER TO SOME HIGHER UP'S.
I am a proud Catholic and he does not speak for every Catholic priest. Who is he to place a blanket judgement (and I repeat judgement) on all of us who voted for Obama? This is NOT the Catholic Church, this is one priest who is, unfortunately, giving the Church a bad name. I fully support Obama and also support gay rights, a woman's right to choose and use birth control. He is not God, should not play God and while he can be viewed as a "voice" of God here on Earth, I doubt very much my priest would say the same thing. This isn't just something the Catholic Church preaches, either - all religions are basically considered "pro-life." This man just happened to have this story put in the paper.
I think it's wrong. As a Catholic, if my priest told me something similar I'd respectfully tell him to fuck off. It isn't his place to judge me, and it isn't his place to tell me who I can vote for. He can offer his guidance and that is about it.
AW COME ON!!!!
You know what I find odd. The same right-wingers who are so against killing unwanted babies are the same ones who do NOT support government-funded welfare programs to support these unwanted babies once they're born. So basically, they care about the kid before it's born, but once it's born, they don't care what happens to it.
Where is the separation between Church and State as required by the U.S. Constitution? If the Catholic Church wants to involve itself in politics (instead of dealing with its pedophile priests), it should be taxed as well.
I wish people would just stop this whole argument. If you are pro-choice, then why do you make such a big deal out of people CHOOSING to be anti abortion because they want to protect the sanctity of life. It's really not a big deal.
And to be honest, if I was in America and voting, I would have voted for Obama. This is because when abortion was illegal there were loads of illegal abortions taking place, and women were dying or being seriously harmed in the process.
Now go away and keep your noses out of other people's religions.
Re: dunzoooo – What I meant by that is that you said 'to compare a grown woman, a mother, to something that is not even alive', but that isn't really a very convincing argument to any Catholic because they do think that it is alive.
And just another point - calling all Catholic priests paedophiles is just stereotyping and a pretty pathetic argument if you ask me. It has been calculated that less than 1% are child molesters. Media coverage of this tiny minority however has led to idiots like all of you who believe everything the media says to believe that all Catholic priests are paedophiles. Come on people. Have a brain.