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Remember The Canadian Greyhound Bus Beheading???
Filed under: CanadialandThe murderer was just found not guilty by reason of insanity!
He will be sent to an institution, without serving any jail time, and will be mentally evaluated every year. If and when he is deemed "sane" again, the murderer will be released.
So fehked!
Posted: March 5, 2009 at 12:29 pm
that's fucked up!
Thats makes me so fucking angry the reason he did was because Tim smiled at him and asked hows it going the bastard should rot in prison fucking bastard and deport his ass.
oh man. this story gave me nightmares for a week!!
shyyytt!
Ill top that look at Madoff….
THAT IS SO MESSED UP!!! Insane or not insane - if a crime is committed, that person is still responsible for what happened.
wtf
This act was indeed horrendous. God told him to do it.
The man had no criminal record, but did have schizophrenia, and was found not
criminally responsible; or in other words, mentally ill.
He will be in a high security mental facility, and has to contribute DNA to a databank. These types are mostly never released back into society.
Time will tell.
He is schizophrenic….what are we supposed to do with him? It's not like he is a big gang banger dude with a history of violence. He's a quiet little janitor who hears evil voices!
Insane? No kidding. Jails are not equipped to deal with someone like this, he belongs in an institution. He will be housed at a psychiatric facility for the criminally insane - just like a jail but with staff trained to deal with not just criminals but the crazy ones.
at least he'll be in Canada
The US has enough mentally unstable people running around killing people and getting off.
People to need to realize that mental illness is a serious problem, and people with schizophrenia, the disease that the killer suffers with, causes many incredibly challenging side-effects. Schizophrenia untreated, as his was, leads to hallucinations and voice hearing which cannot be ignored. I feel terrible for the McLean family and what they have gone through, and also think that Greyhound should make some serious security changes. In Canada being found not guilty by reason of insanity is legal. In this case it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused is in fact insane because of his untreated mental illness. It is comments like yours Perez about this ruling being "so fehked" that perpetuate the stigma that people with mental illness face. Maybe you should include an ad on your site that attempts that educate people about mental illness and the seriousness of it instead of bitching about the people that suffer.
fuck that!
woooooooooooooooow
Re: Long Dong Connery –
DOH!!!
hahahahaa
so the guy takes someones head off and can say my bad i was nuts!
something is wrong here!
The family of the poor guy who was beheaded while sleeping…….. omg they must be completely distraught!!!!!!!! no justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rediculous. The laws definitely need to be changed. If someone is mentally unstable and commits crimes, I believe that is EVEN MORE reason to put them behind bars. I believe that they should build a prision or make a section of a prision dedicated to mentally unsound criminals. If someone is "crazy" enough to behead someone and not "realize" they are doing it, they need to stay out of society! PERIOD!!!
I don't think he will ever get out !!
The details of the mutilation of the body if you follow the link are just downright disturbing. But if a guy is throwing around body parts, putting them in his pocket or eating them, you can be pretty sure they are not in their right minds. The victim's family is trying to change the law in Canada so that even if someone is found not guilty by reason of insanity, they still have to remain locked up for the rest of their lives. The problem with schizophrenia is that a person can stop taking the medication. Would you want to live next door to this guy if he stopped taking his meds? Uh - NOPE!
I really wish Canada had the death penalty for reasons like this!
So fehked!
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I wish you'd stop with the whole fehk thing.
next
He'll never, ever be released.
Perez, jail does not solve every crime. This guy has some serious mental issues…he said god made him do it. He will never see the outside world, as it is very hard to be released from a mental institution when one has committed murder. What the hell would be the sense in locking him up in jail and not treat his mental issues. If he was sent to jail, the probability of him killing other inmates or guards would be high. Honestly…when the hell did you get a degree in psychology??? What makes you so self righteous to think that it is messed up that he is locked up in a mental institution? Have you ever been to one…it is a jail in itself. It is not like he has an easy ride ahead of him. Get a life, and seriously, why the hell are you reporting on this anyways?? Since when does murder classify as gossip…holy shit you are really becoming a loser!!!
Re: .perezhilton.com – I agree …they should deport his ass!!!now it wil probably cost us $250,000 a year to keep this bastard for another 40plus years!!
I'm ashamed of being a Canadian today, and of the Canadian justice system. Though the odds of him being let out are very very low, in the event that he is released, he won't have a criminal record. This is outrageous! This young man died a terrible death needlessly. On top of that, the things he did to his body following death were disgusting! He mutilated his body after he stabbed him to death and beheaded him. The tongue and eyes were NEVER FOUND and presumed eaten, and his ears were found in the murderers pockets! Tell me that he doesn't deserve to go to jail for life, crazy or not!
That's disgusting. I'm ashamed to be Canadian right now. Clearly our justice system is f-ed! It seems to protect the criminals more than it does their victims. Shame on you Canada!
that is sooo scarry! omg!!! yikes! i remember when it happend!
i think the judicial system did something right, he belongs in an institution not a prison, he wont get out probably ever, its not like the gov is going release him next year on good behavior this guy is messed, he needs to be there.
Re: mama of 2 – actually - some medical doctors have to diagnose you as insane….we can't just throw it out there! duh.
Re: mcfly88 – Agreed
I knoo Whyy,! Aint Telling tho . lol
My uncle went on that bus Yesterday . and i was freaking him out
Hello! The man has SCHIZOPHRENIA! He is ILL!
Yes it was a brutal crime, but it would never have happened if this country had a decent mental health system - if this man actually received treatment for his illness that he needed when he needed it!
The only way for people to get help for their mental illness is either through prohibitively expensive private treatment or through the legal system because they've broken the law.
The mental health system in Canada needs to be changed, not the law.
MCFly88, that was a great post. This guy def needs help and should be in an institution, not running around a jail. As well, from what I understand, they can keep him in an institution "indefinitely" rather than being released from jail in a few years. It is the best place for him.
This is why there are less Canadians in jails than Americans!! We want to make the people better, not just let them rot!!!
FYI when someone in Canada is found NCR (not criminally responsible) they are detained at a mental health facility based on their level of danger to the community, he obviously will be held in a maximum security facility. Anyways it doesn't work that easy "once he is sane he gets out" His mental state is evaluated DAILY, but a major review with a panel is held yearly, there it is decided weather he stays in MAX or gets to move somewhere else like medium security, If your in max, you have to go through lots of steps, MAX, Medium, Minimum then possibly community. The facts in all actuality are that someone who is found NCR may in fact end up serving MORE TIME than someone who went the jail route. Someone who has been found NCR for say "mischef" could end up being in an institution for 10 yrs OR MORE, where as if he went through the criminal code way may just get a fine and probation. This guy is "doing time" just in a different way. These things are not taken lightly, he in fact may never get out. I know all this info because I work for a medium secure facility in Ontario!
Re: tattedmanda – Thanks for setting these people straight.
seriously wtf!!!
I do believe putting in an INSTITUTION is a way better option..The guy is CLEARLY INSANE. However, he still should have been found guilty and still be placed in an institution.
As a Canadian i makes me sick to live in a country were this is ok, As long as you inhabit some form of mental problem (Depression, schizophrenia…) ur actions are not your own.
This idiot was taking meds already and he went off them when the voices told him too and so he goes and kills a kid. now he is being treated in the same way, given a hand full of drugs to keep him hush hush for a while and then release him again !
Lock him up in a straight jacket and a muzzle. didn't he eat part of his victim ? SICK!
Canada's judicial system is in the pits right now. It is one of the most corrupt and politically corrupt systems in the world dishing out asinine judgments. Canada is a cesspool right now of degenerate Muslims calling for Sharia law and for the killing of westerners and gay people. Enter Canada at your own risk! It has a higher crime rate than the US does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These types of cases are SO tough, and are the reason why I stayed away from the criminal branch of law, especially as it stands in Canada. Both the Crown and Defence in this case thought this was the best method to deal with Mr. Li. I am torn, and perhaps it is because i have an extremely basic understanding of mental illnesses. As much as I am a proponent of jail time as punishment and deterrence as opposed to rehabilitation, the only way I can justify this in my mind is that hopefully the doctors in the institution will be realistic in their evaluations and not want to have it on their consciences if this guy brutally kills another person. I guess those in the criminal justice system in Canada are the eternal optimists.
Re: Long Dong Connery – haha, tell him
Perez, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Canadians are smart enough to accept this ruling. It does not mean Vince gets away with ANYTHING. He is going to be locked up in a hospital forever. This man is sick. He needs treatment. His lawyer has said that Vince accepts full responsibility for his actions. Mental health care is SHIT in Canada. ABSOLUTE SHIT.
A teenager killed herself in jail as guards WATCHED. Because she was not able to get the proper mental health care. The guards were ordered to leave her alone and she died.
Mental conditions always go by the wayside and nobody cares. Look at all of the fundraising that goes to cancer, (not that patients don't deserve it), and look at the fundraisers for mental health. There are next to none and people suffer.
Andrea Yates, the Columbine boys, and the shooter at Virginia Tech are just some examples of the horrid violence that has occurred in your country due to no help for the mentally ill.
All people from this world have the RESPONSIBILITY to help the mentally ill or we ALL pay.
HOLD UP!
I'm Canadian, and I'm studying Criminology!
We just talked about this yesterday in class. Just because he has been house not guilty due to insanity (or NCRMD… Not criminally responsible due to metal disorder, as we call it), does NOT mean that his is going to get off easy!
The psych analysts that will evaluate him every year are not going to take the chance of releasing someone like that back into the public, even if he appears to be 'sane'.
I mean, do you think the Canadian justice system wants the blood on their hands if he commits another murder because of his mental disorder?
I HIGHLY doubt that he is ever going to be released into the public. I mean, his case was so high profile that it's not like he's just going to disappear.
Yes, what he did was truly fucked up, but I think it's safe to say that he's not going to be walking free again… I mean, when BOTH the defense and the prosection want to plead insanity, then it's safe to say that the guy is insane, and will have to be kept in a facility for the rest of his life.
…But it gives me one more reason to hate greyhound. Afterall, how do you know the person sitting beside you isn't a psycho? Luckily, they've taken some extra procautions since to make sure they know who's on the bus.
currently im in law school, and this case makes me want to toally reconsider my decission! this freak of nature should be locked up in the jail for the rest of his life, and hopefully itll be a short one. being a canadian, this makes me sick to my stomach that our justice system has failed us once again! good job harper!
I'm sure the country he immigrated from would have given him the same sentence. (sarc) The stupid mounties waited outside the damn bus for 5 hours while this freak was EATING the head he held in his hands! Canada, WTF?
That is completely insane! That man should be locked up and have the key thrown away. The victim's mother tried to put forth a law that states when you take a life no matter what (mental) state you'e in, yours should be done with as well. We don't have the death penalty in Canada, but he should be in jail for the rest of his sorry days. He fuckin cut off pieces of his body and ATE them. Clearly he was not in his right mind, but thats not an exuse! He said he heard voices of god tell him to rid the evil in that man.
I know I won't be taking the greyhound any time soon
That's just fucked up. I agree with Tim McLean's mother. Li did the deed whether he was sane or not he still killed another person and should serve time in Prison.
Re: Hate Low Class People – Umm you must be joking. Canada has one of the most respected legal systems in the world, and certainly is not corrupt. Canadian judgments are cited worldwide by other common law legal systems, as precedent and evidence for their own decisions. Every system has its faults - name one program/institution/government that runs perfectly. While I agree Canadian courts cater FAR too much to the demands of individuals, I have no idea where you are getting this infestation of zealots calling for Sharia law - any incidents where this happens is an anomaly in everyday life here. Show some class and stop making up stories.
Re: annielovesfred – How about capital punishment? That would suffice.
He will likely spend the rest of his life under supervised detention. In any event he'll probably do MORE time (easier time, maybe) than if he were found guilty.
Re: LeAfY – Actually the Harper government has instituted mandatory sentences for violent crimes, which gives judges and juries no leeway to give a criminal a lesser sentence than the mandatory. There is no way that "guilty by reason of insanity" will ever be dismissed from the legal system, and no politicians (being politicians) will pass a bill that takes this away - they would be far too worried about losing their share of the "social justice" and supporters of the mentally ill vote.
Even if they did, there would likely be a Charter challenge, and my guess is that the Supreme Court of Canada, as it stands, would not uphold the legislative change.
I am an American living in Vancouver Canada and I can tell you, I am so appalled by the lax law enforcement in this country. I was living here when this psycho killed that poor guy last summer. They need lock him up for the rest of his life in an institution, you don't ever let him out. I live in downtown Vancouver across the street from a half way house which is where they put recently released criminals, and I can tell you it frightens me to no end. Last fall they released a repeat sex offender to one of these places and guess what! he did it again! That's all we need is a man who decapitated someone and ate them to be deemed " fit" to be released, what if he decides he doesn't need his meds. There's a gang war going on here and almost all of the people shooting people in broad daylight are repeat offenders that the canadian government just decided were fit to return. I can wait to get the fuck out of this messed up place. I never thought I would miss american justice
Re: Canadian_Chika –
I totally agree with you Canadian_Chika, I don't care if he was in his right mind or not, if an individual is capable of the horrific acts he was they should never again be allowed to mix with society, sorry, I was sick to my stomach for days after I read that. My parent's were visiting me and I couldn't enjoy it, I was so horrified
As scary as it sounds to hear "if he is deemed 'sane' again he can be released", that isn't very likely. If ever there was a murder case where the murderer could appropriately be considered to be "not guilty by reason of insanity", it would obviously be this one. You don't GET more crazy than this guy, he's crazier than Hannibal Lecter. Chances of him ever beeing deemed "sane" are pretty much zero. He'll be locked up in a facility that's appropriate for people with dangerous mental illness probably until he dies.
send him back to China!!
I'm from Winnipeg, Mb where the trail was being held…I think it's just sick! Vince Li should be locked away for the rest of his life!
I LIKE THEM FRENCH FRIEND POTATERS MMMM HMMM!!!!
Re: Mindtrapp –
Sorry you are wrong, just because you have a mental illness and commit a crime doesn't mean you will automatically be found NCR, if you a depressed and kill someone, doesn't mean you "get off" there are so many assessments done of a person. which I am sure Li was going through and thats why this is happening now. You have to be assessed to be not of sound mind AT THE TIME OF THE CRIME, and if you read li's case he clearly wasn't of sound mind. You should do a little more research before you make such uneducated comments!
Re: mcfly88 –
Fuck that! Perez is right. I agree with you that mental illness is serious but it was his responsibility to get treatment so that this would not happen. Because he did not get treatment, it is now his responsibility for being negligent.
im from toronto and we were all in shock when this came out…. i will never go on a greyhound bus again becasue of it….. but seriously this dude is one fucked up bastard and that isnt enough…… fuck the justice systems they never work here, or anywhere.
I live in Winnipeg (where this is taking place), and public transit is a big thing in our city with nearly half of all travel using such a means. The greyhound bus is said to have been crippled by this and I dont blame ppl for not feeling safe anymore.
The crack heads that ride the bus to stay warm are one thing, but those with weapons obviously of the intent to preform a butcher are a different story. By the sounds of what went around shortly after the incident, to the conflicting psychological examinations, this man sounds crazy yes, but he KNEW what he was doing and KNEW that it was wrong… he stabbed this kid that was sleeping! For no reason except he was the closest victim!
he then proceeded to behead him, consume pieces of him, and then taunt those outside the bus with the head… he was also later found with other parts of the victim's body hidden in pockets and other places on his body. Our mental health institution is so full of holes that I'm terrified of the real possibility that in the likely situation of 5 years, some dumbass psychologist is going to let this monster loose on the public… i wonder how many victims there needs to be before change occurs…
I agree with the sentencing. He can't just be thrown into a prison. They wouldn't know how to handle him there. He belongs in an institution. And like others said, he probably won't ever be released anyway.
I have a brother with schizophrenia and I it makes me so sad that we live in a society where the public is SO MISINFORMED about mental illness. I bet none of you knew that 95% of ALL murders are committed by SANE individuals who know exactly what they are doing. You are speaking in fear because you don't hear about the majority who recover from this horrible illness. I only hope none of you have to see a loved one deal EVERYDAY with schizophrenia, it is heartbreaking and my brother's courage to recover comes from within and not from the support of an UNEMPATHETIC society. This is why stigma exists! www.gaining-insight.com
Re: cheezluvr –
Do you know how much of this stuff goes on that people don't know about? It happens A LOT this just happened to get a lot of media attention, the forensic mental health system is doing its job, and for those who said its his fault, he didn't get treatment… HE HAS SCHIZOPHRENIA! He is often in his own world, his own reality, the things he was experiencing were REAL TO HIM, therefore he would not have know he needed treatment, also if you read he didn't know what he was doing at the time, god told him to kill the evil next to him, and this being his reality, he did!
Ill or not, he should never be let out. If he is ill and stops taking his medication…he will go after someone else.
This case aside, I do think Canada is far to lax on crime and cares more about the criminals than the victims. It is almost like "Oh the victim is dead anyways so who cares." They had some serial killer named Karla something or other who tortued and killed teen girls with her sicko husband and they let that bitch out after a few years. They are really too liberal for their own good.
They way I look at it is that once the criminal makes the decision to take someone else's life…they are taking theirs as well through their own actions. The state is just carrying out justice.
Re: insight – I totally agree, its sad really, and yes those stats are true… so guess what its the murderers in JAIL that will be getting out to reoofend, not those in an institution being treated for a mental illness… think about THAT
Re: Perez_Peruse –
I want to commend you for your comment, you are the ONLY one on here who is making any sense, thank you!!
Thats Canada for you, they are a messed up country!
Trust me a Canadian mental institution is a lot harder to get out of then the prisons…the guy won't ever see the streets again.
I actually live in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada (where the trial is taking place) and it's a farce. The mother if Tim made a comment after the judgment was sent down and she said:
"It's one thing when you're not physiologically responsible for what you do, but to not be criminally responsible, it doesn't make sense.."
I agree with her, Vince Li broke a law and took a life, he should loose his freedom in return.
Re: Sho – We aren't messed up, we just have a different way about doing things. I don't agree with the judgment, but you should base all of Canada on this one instance. Trust me, if you wanna do that, Canadians could have a lot of things to say about the United States.
Re: Sho – you're a fucking ignorant tool.
As a Canadian this really pisses me off!! He should at LEAST get his dick cut off.
Re: @v@ – In Canada, people who commit serious offences and are in Mental Facilities get released all the time. Murders spend only a few years in jail and get paroled. Convicted rapists walk away from halfway houses. He should be held responsible, even with a mental illness. Our premier closed a mental facility in our province a few years ago….guess where everyone went? On the streets. Our justice system is a joke, it makes every criminal out to be a victim which is total BS. USA has a 3 strike rule, Canada has a 30 strike rule. I know people who work in prisons as guards and crown prosecuters who have their hands tied because of our Government Policies.
Well, the guy is mentally ill, if he was sent to prison
Re: mcfly88 –
It's funny you mention that because I have contacted perez urging him to advertise my website which educates others about mental illness. Of course, perez never did. All he cares about are the SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE ILLNESSES. Schizophrenia doesn't apply to him. I have a grass roots cause but I am trying to get education about mental illness in schools.
i read that story.. he should get the death penalty idk if they do that in canada, if not, he should have gotten life in prison.. institution??? wtf!! the guy just smiled & asked how his day was! the nasty fuck then severed his head and started cutting body parts of they poor guy and started eating them!! fuck being evaluated for a year!! thats bullshit!! this guy is not even in the right state of mind!! can u believe this sick bastard was even married!!! omg! no justice 2 the poor man that was murdered not killed and his poor family…
Re: emilybrilliant – I agree with you emily brilliant. I live in Vancouver and have lived a few places across Canada. They make every criminal a victim and every victim have no voice. They do this because it may "hurt" someone's feelings.
the guy is mentall ill, if he is sent to prison chances are his lowers would appeal to the supreme court and get that overruled. In the last week one mentally ill girl committed suicide in prison (she threw apples at a postal worker and was in jail since she was 13, she died at 19 and the guards just watch her kill herself). The killer did something bad, but he is very crazy, chances are he won't be let our of the institution for a looooong time-keep in mind he could stay there indefinetlly, there is not max time for mental institutions.
This story makes me sick. As not only a Canadian, but as a person it hurts.
I feel for Tim's family. This man is seriously derranged, and I think putting him away in an asylum is horse shit. This man not only decapitated this innocent young guy, but also ATE some of his body parts!! Tim's eyeballs are still MISSING! This whole situation makes me sick to my friggin stomach. And I definitely agree with deporting his sick ass back to where he came from. Why should we have to pay to have him institutionalized?! As a tax payer I say FUCK THAT!!.
That is SOOOOO SOOOO SOOO messed up!!!! i remember this trail the details we sooo grotesque!!! This is absolutely horrible….
Also, BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY FOR SICK FUCKS SUCH AS THIS GUY.
Ok, so I'm confused, I'm from Winnipeg (like lots have already said, where the trial is) and I thought they found him NOT INSANE in August…
The man cut off a head, taunted people with it and ate some of Tim's insides…
Will it take him to do it again before they decide he'll be put away forever??
for once i agree w/ you mario
The Canadian Justice System has done it again! If an immigrant can't behave themselves they need to be deported. We have a lot of sick bastards living in this country, I don't think he will last long on the streets.
There is a gang war going on in Vancouver. However they are only able to hold these bastards for less than 24 hours. Then they are at it again. They have gone as far as shooting a woman in front of her 4 year old child. As our justice system continues to fail us, all they can say is "At least they are killing themselves".
Yay Canada!!!
He's sick. And he needs professional attention. Going to Jail for something while in a heavy state of schizophrenia won't help heal him, nor will it bring the victim back. People don't get help in jail, they just learn how to become better criminals.
That is fucking awful. They really fucked up on that one.
that's what happened to Michael MYers.
"Michael. Is that you?"
what the fuck????
Im from Winnipeg as well, and this is bullshit, if that was my child and some peice of shit immagrint murdered MY CHILD like that and because of our PIECE OF SHIT JUSTICE system (if this happened in the states this piece of shit wouold have gotten the death penalty) It doesnt matter what state of mind you are in YOU STILL TOOK ANOTHER LIFE, why was he out in the public to begin with?? Wouldnt he have been a skistophrenic before?? Wouldn't anyone go fucking nuts after commiting something like that?? If i was that mother i know i would be taking the justice into my own hands at this point even if it meant going to jail for the rest of my life.
I agree that he shouldn't be put in jail; I think that jails, quite frankly, are way too cushy for someone like this. Also, being in jail for him would be just like asking for him to kill many other prisoners and/or guards. They wouldn't be able to handle him in prison correctly. I think why everyone is so bothered by this verdict is that he is found "not guilty" by reason of insanity, and that he has nothing on his criminal record. That is wrong; he should be found GUILTY by reason of insanity. It should go on his record, so it is known that he could potentially be a dangerous person. I also think that anyone found guilty of brutal murder by insanity should be made to stay in a mental institution INDEFINITELY.
I have a cousin who has schizophrenia, and I know they can get rid of most symptoms of it for some people, as they did for him. However, he has never been even close to violent (his voices tell him to steal things). But, I know how awful the drugs are (many make them feel not well at all; my cousin feels jittery and fidgets all the time), and how easy it is for someone to miss a pill or two. In this way, they can call the patient "cured" and let him out, and he can stop taking the drugs. I wouldn't even have a problem with them being let out (much later in their treatment, obviously, and after they have been deemed "sane") for work programs and the like, as long as they are required to go back and take their meds.
im sure he is schizophrenic. this story is horrific…but he should be in a mental institution
FUUUUUUCK! I am SO PISSED about this! As a human being, I am DISGUSTED! As a Canadian citizen, I am ASHAMED of our justice system.
This is just fucking SCARY.
First of all, I hope something like this doesn't make people think all mentally ill or schizophrenic people are dangerous, because only 2% actually are. Those people are misunderstood enough without one person doing some violent thing that puts everyone in a state of fear. Know that he's an exception, not a rule. As for him, it makes sense he would go to an institution as he's obviously completely insane. He won't be released back onto the streets in a year, I can guarantee you that. He'll probably spend the rest of his life there. Sad.
Why waste any more of our tax dollars treating this "person"? Our medical professionals time should be treating people to prevent this from happening again!! I say hang the bastard!
Just terrible! Evil is Evil.
WHAT! That is more then FUCKED up. I hope he gets murdered himself.
i hate friends who know tim dearly
i honestly hope this mother fucker ROTS
i am so disgusted that he got off like that
they should send him back to china where they will chop HIM up and eat HIM.
(yes, the sick fucker ATE parts of tim.)