Ignorance Is Not Pretty
Filed under: Icky Icky Poo > Gay Gay GayPat Robertson: Countries that embrace homosexuality go "down into ruin," end "up in the garbage heap of history"
Posted: June 17, 2009 at 8:30 pm
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Ignorance Is Not PrettyFiled under: Icky Icky Poo > Gay Gay GayPat Robertson: Countries that embrace homosexuality go "down into ruin," end "up in the garbage heap of history" Posted: June 17, 2009 at 8:30 pm
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Re: mandicane – #297 Oh, and by the way, hate crimes laws are bogus. First, they are dictating THOUGHT. We live in a free country and can think what we want. Secondly, there are laws already covering the ACTIONS that may result from the THOUGHT of hate, or whatever else. Hate crimes legislation is just the thought police. Use the laws already on the books which cover the crimes. And does it really matter WHERE the crime comes from? It is the fact that the crime is committed that makes the difference. If I were to come and arrest you and say that "I'm arresting you based on a crime you are GOING TO COMMIT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU HATE SO-AND-SO, you'd raise holy hell. And rightfully so. Hate crimes legislation is bogus and os only supported by idiots who can't think things through.
Also, read my post again stupid. I never said NO straight people murder or want to. Exactly the opposite, I said there is always the stray nutcase who does. But if you are saying the majority of straight people are murderers or want to, you are TRULY MENTALLY UNSTABLE AND NEED SOME HELP. Now who would you trust more? A person who never advocates killing someone, or some crazy nutcase who comes on a website and consistently advocates killing someone or members of some societal group. Honey, seriously, you need some mental help.
Re: Silklights – #298
lol i love how the woman just sighs she thinking well im not gunna comment cuz im not a fucking idiot!
Those nations who do not abide by God's laws will receive God's wrath. Homosexuality is no greater sin than adultery. If America goes the way of Roman and Grecian empires it's because we have forsaken God's commandments. The acceptance of homosexuality is just another indicator of how far we have fallen from grace. We have become a nation of liars, thieves, sexual perverts, murderers etc. and we allow all of this in the name of civil tolerance. Nations are judged, just as men are judged. If our nation experiences God’s wrath it will be for ALL of the sins we commit not just the sin of homosexuality.
Re: Emmie859 – "Would you please cite the study that supports your claim that NO ONE CHOOSES to be gay?" My life is the evidence that proves my point. I know hundreds of gay people, that's my evidence. Do you only get your information from studies and medical research?? Why don't you try living life and talking to your peers? How about having daily interaction with your fellow human being? I know lots of gay people and I myself am bisexual, and of the 200 + gay people I know, none of them would tell you that they were not born this way. Don't you think that some of these periodicals and journals are culturally biased? Or are you that naive to think that they only print the facts? You see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to hear.
People are people. Ask gay people about whether they "chose to be gay" or if they're gay because they have just always been that way.
Some people are just living in the archaic centuries where homosexuality, science and arts were a crime. It's a pity and sad that we still have this type of discrimination in the world.
That old man must now something:
Straight, gay, bi, black, white, Latinos, Asian, Arabic, Jewish people
WE ALL ARE HUMANS, DUDE!!!
Nobody is perfect, that's what makes us humans and people should respect indidualities.
Re: Notlikely – #306 Well, I don't know if the periodicals and journals are culturally biased because I don't read them. I'm not making claims about how many gay people were born that way, but YOU ARE. YOU need to defend your position. Now I am much more likely to believe a legitimate scientific study than some hairbrained theory someone comes up with who thinks they've seen it all. Honey, you have not seen it all. There are MANY gays who have ultimately come out and said that they were NOT born that way. Additionally, a lot of them have said that they USED TO SAY they WERE born that way. So while everyone (including me) goes by their own experience to develop what they think of and in the world, a scientific study covers a much more broad sampling where each one of us are limited only to those we tend to attract. Get a life, and then try to get a REAL education.
Re: palladin – #304 Excellent post.
Re: iTonks – archaic centuries when homosexuality was a crime? In some archiac centuries homosexuality was a widespread practice. However, the cultures crashed and burned, not just because of homosexuality but because of general cultural rot in many aspects of the society, which is always the case. Lack of morality never exists in only one pocket of an immoral society, but has MANY SYMPTOMS ins MANY AREAS of the society.
And by the way, I can accept the way things are, and people's individual choices. After all, can I make them change? Probably not. But I DO NOT have to APPROVE or have respect for behavior I don't think is healthy or proper. So quit trying to force me to .
Re: Emmie859 – "I don't know about that. Sex and sex addictions are powerful and people will do all kinds of things for it, including risking much more than ridicule. " Jesus Christ, now you're comparing gay people to sex addicts? You've got to be joking. There is no evidence now or ever that gay people are any more or less sexually promiscuous that heterosexuals. That is just plain bigotry.
"rapists who risk prison or death; and a common example comes to mind: politicians who will risk their careers, financial security, families, reputations and everything they have worked for all their lives to have a stupid affair with someone."
First of all rape is about power not sex. More importantly, most rapists don't believe they'll ever be caught or prosecuted for their crimes, so prison isn't a factor for them. As for your example of politicians having affairs, that is nothing more than poor judgment, and of course being cocky enough to think they'll never get caught in the act.
Your scope seems rather limited. Life isn't only in black or white. There several beautiful colors in the prism of life.
god i cant wait for this old coot to die already
Re: Emmie859 – Sweetie, I have a wonderful life and I received a fantastic education from a very prestigious college. I think it's very presumptuous of you, being someone who isn't gay, to profess to know what gay people think or what they believe or how they feel. I can see from the posts that you've been writing on this site that you have clearly not come in contact with enough people to know what you're talking about.
You do realize that this is an openly gay man's website, right?
Experience is the best teacher. And maybe if you lived your life more off the page rather than reading the pages of newspapers, you would know that.
You don't know me, nor do you know my life experiences so kindly step back and check yourself. You are no better than anyone else who comes on this website. Relax.
Re: archimmes – #312 here we go again, mandicane are you watching? Another liberal hater wishing death on a straight guy who disagrees with him.
Re: Notlikely – #311 your post attempts to dispute my points with issues that are irrelevant to the issue of HAVING SEX in relation to this particular discussion. (IE. regardless of the reason for the sicko to rape, the criminal risks everything to perform a sex act.) We could get sidetracked all day. Stick to the point. Also, why don't you just stick to those beautiful colorful prisms in life rather than adhering to the dark side defending hateful libbie perverts who love to wish death on people who don't agree with them? When you start walking the walk, then you might have some affect on others. Meanwhile, don't expect anyone to give you any credibility.
Re: Notlikely – #311 oh, and by the way, give me a fucking break. I never said there were more sex addicts amongst gays than anyone else. And sexual addiction does not imply sexual promiscuity, although they frequently co-exist. There are sex addicts amongst both gays and straights, and I would never claim to know what the percentages are since I haven't done any kind of study. Have you ? Then why bring it up, I never did.
I swear, most of you really are mentally retarded. If I said, these flowers are red, you would raise and hell that I said ALL flowers are red. Read what is there, and don't add any stupid assumptions. that's where you show your LOW IQ, SERIOUSLY.
Re: Emmie859 – Clearly you have mental problems of your own. It's obvious to me that you didn't fully read my comments. If you had, you would note that I was responding directly to the comment you wrote me. As for people wishing death on others, I don't see how that relates to what we were discussing. It would seem that those people have problems of their own.
I find it disturbing how quick you are to assume that because people on this site disagree with you that we all some how mentally retarded. It's fine if you disagree, but don't insult peoples intelligence. You have a right to your opinion and I the right to mine.
Now you're just being rude.
Re: Notlikely – #313 Sweetie, as you stated, you also don't know me, nor do you know my life experiences so kindly step back and check yourself. I'm just challenging you to prove your allegations. Can't do it? Then if you can't run with the big dogs, maybe you better get off the porch.
I think it is rather presumptuous of you to assume that I live from newspapers. How foolish to claim something about someone you know NOTHING ABOUT. Where I have and have had many gay friends throughout my life, I get my information on gays from them, not newspapers. CONTINUED….
Re: Notlikely – #313 continued….. And yeah, dufus, I do know this is an openly gay man's web site. How could ANYONE miss it.
Now to the big issue. You stated: "I have a wonderful life and I received a fantastic education from a very prestigious college. " First, who asked you about your life? I personally couldn't care less how your life is. Maybe you just had to say that to help convince yourself. Secondly, regarding your "education" I would question as to how fantastic it really was. First, you do the exact thing that you falsely accuse me for and then you deride me for it. That's not really too smart. Secondly, everyone knows (except the idiots who use it to glorify themselves) that college educations these days are absolutely worthless when it comes to really learning anything. Colleges quit teaching years ago. They only indoctrinate now and have been doing that for the last few decades. Do you understand what I am talking about? Probably not, so I'll tell you. They teach you WHAT TO THINK, not HOW TO THINK. Hell, college grads can't even pass a test given to 8th grade graduates in the late 1800,s. They're just ignorant fools, who think the most important thing they learned was how great they are. ROFLMAO at you. Keep in mind, the higher the pedestal you place yourself on, the further and harder you fall. Good luck with that.
Re: Notlikely – #317 Please honey, you can't even follow a conversation. Get some mental help, for your own sake.
Re: Emmie859 – DUDE, LIFE IS NOT ABOUT FREAKIN STUDIES!!! LET IT GO! Life is about LIVING. Maybe if you had a life you'd know that. Studies are not based in reality. They are composed of statistics and facts, and dates and numbers. They are compartmentalized microcosms of people, populations, data and situations. If you're a scientist, mathematician or accountant then that's all well and good. I'm talking about people. I'm not going to site any "studies", because they have no relevance to my reality.
Maybe you're afraid human interaction, maybe it's easier for you to post ideas online than to talk to people face to face. It's obvious your socials skills need improving. Relax.
Re: Emmie859 – Wow, why so angry sweetie? Did I touch a nerve? How ironic that you would accuse me of doing the thing that you've been doing on here all day long.
"Colleges quit teaching years ago. They only indoctrinate now and have been doing that for the last few decades. Do you understand what I am talking about? Probably not, so I'll tell you. They teach you WHAT TO THINK, not HOW TO THINK." Next you'll tell me that the "aliens" are real, and that Manifest Destiny was the true birth rite of the Europeans. Give me a break. My professors imparted their knowledge and wisdom on number of subjects, but I made the decision as to what I believed and didn't. That has nothing to do with original topic of conversation. Talk about going off on tangents.
And please, the name calling is unnecessary. If you can't prove you points without calling people names, then they don't carry much weight. I'm having an adult conversation, can you say the same? And exactly which "big dog" are you? Since I've never seen you on here before today? But there you go with that rather high opinion of yourself.
"Keep in mind, the higher the pedestal you place yourself on, the further and harder you fall. Good luck with that. " Pot meet kettle.
Re: Notlikely – #321 Your last post out of desperation is so fucking stupid it doesn't even deserve breakdown. Please get some mental help. I have a couple of ideas for you:
Get outside of your egotistical self-worth trip and actively look for and examine the other side of any belief you have. Just play "devil's advocate" so to speak. Not only find out what the opposite is, but why it exists. Examine it fully and UNDERSTAND it. This exercise might kick-start your brain, and you may experience something you have never experienced before. If your brain is not too extremely damaged, it may help. Don't think I'm kidding because I'm not. You clearly have problems to solve because you keep accusing me and deriding me for doing the very thing you are continuously doing. You are projecting and you can't see it at all. I am very serious. Try spending time on something else rather than this stupid site and do something constructive to get your mind working again. I'm totally serious. Get with it, there's no time to waste.
Re: heeerm – God doesn't hate gays….he hates the SIN. He hates ALL SIN. Get your biblical facts straight.
Re: Emmie859 – Hahaha. That last response is so laughable.
Tell you what sweetie, I'll pray for you tonight before I go to bed. Jesus seems to be the only one who can help you. God bless you and be well.
"Try spending time on something else rather than this stupid site and do something constructive to get your mind working again. I'm totally serious. Get with it, there's no time to waste. " You do the same.
Right. Because we've all forgotten about the ancient Greeks by now. Thank goodness, those guys ended up on "the garbage heap of history." Moron.
Nazi Germany fell and they put gays into camps.
Imperial Spain fell and they burned gays.
Russian Monarchy fell and they hated gays.
Egypt fell and they made gays slaves.
Imperial Japan fell and they shot gays.
Aztec civilization feel and they hung gays.
This guy needs to study his history - it looks like to me that countries that killed people for people different were the countries that ended up on the garbage heap!
Re: KOOL KID – #327 Well, I wonder what they'll do to them when America totally falls. We're almost there now. Or what do you call the Bilderberg global criminal elite bankers robbing the entire country of 45% of it's wealth in one fell swoop last fall?
I think it would actually be a whole lot better to pay attention to what is going on there and preventing the total collapse, than worrying about stupid stuff like gays and straights.
Give this guy a break, he's old, dated and ugly, he's bound to be angry!
Stuff like this literally makes me sick to my stomach. How can someone be so close minded? I don't understand how he says that homosexual people only make up 2% of our population, but if we accept them and embrace them our entire country will go down in ruins? W.O.W that just seems incredibly hypocritical to me! I am straight, believe in god, am somewhat religious, and yet I still don't believe that god really believes that homosexuals are an abomination to man kind. It makes absolutely no sense. And the whole thing makes me nauseous, stupid close minded people. Support Gay Rights!
Re: weRone – Beautifully said. Thank you
Re: newyorkie –
yeah homosexuals are definitely the reason why those empires fall apart.
it wasn't the empire splitting in two, Christianity, decadence, lead, monetary trouble, and military problems. nah. cant be that.
on a side note, there are so many things wrong with this video that i cant list them all unless i watched it over and over again….which i am not doing
Re: Emmie859 – Exactly!!!
Re: JigSaw – 256 True that! In my humble estimation Mr. Robertson will be dead soon enough. Then and only then will he pay for his extortion.
I have to agree with him on that one
PR is an ass.
Re: philcardomone – BRAVO!!!!!! COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER M'SELF!
I wouldn't take any notice of him. Some of the stuff he's said in the past is just as crazy as this. He thinks he was a faith healer, that some denominations of Chrisitanity have the spirit of the Anti-Christ in it, that his prayers have the power to stop and steer hurricanes away, that feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft and turn women into lesbians, that being gay will cause, hurricanes, terrorism and a meteor to strike the world, that the US Department of State should be destroyed by a nuclear weapon, that God speaks to him and tells him the future and that religions such as Islam are a Christian heresy and Hinduism is "demonic". Plus he thinks that there is a Jewish world conspiracy.
If you don't believe me about all this go to Wikipedia, and their is a list of links and citations about all this that he said, i've checked a large sum of them and they are correct that, thats what he said. CRAZY CRAZY MAN
That is true and I agree with it.
Im not TAKING sides BUT honestly WHEN did WE as a SOCIETY get TO a POINT where IF someone DISAGREES with OUR beliefs THAT automaticly MAKES them HATEFUL?????If I WERE to SAY that I DIDNT agree WITH the FACT that HISPANICS come FROM thier COUNTRY to OURS and JOIN gangs and SPEND honest HARDWORKING tax PAYERS money WITHOUT becoming CITIZENS,does THAT makr ME hateful or IS that HONESTLY my OPINION based on HARDCORE evidence?
ITS time to OPEN our EYES and HEARTS and EXCEPT other PEOPLS opinion WHETHER it be RIGHT or WRONG because WE are ALL entitled TO that,BECAUSE you MAY have an OPINION that to OTHERS maybe a LIL on the UNFAIR side.
Re: Emmie859 – "How can you possibly know that they DO advocate murdering gays? I know thousands of white people, and over the years I have never known ONE to have that belief. how many do you personally know who do have that wish? Honey, I believe YOU are the one living in a make-believe unicorn la la land. Don't be in denial. You're only fooling yourself."
ok now i'm convinced you need to be institutionalized. first of all… you are always the one on here yelling at people for not fully reading your posts (even though that task is insanely difficult since you make very little sense), and here you are… not reading mine. In my last post I said that the majority of people in jail for murder are straight males. Regardless of WHO they have murdered… you said that the vast majority of people who live the straight lifestyle do not advocate murder… this would suggest otherwise. Also, since straight people take up a larger portion of the population, it makes sense that more of them would not advocate murder and that more of them would be in jail. Second of all… I never, not once, mentioned white people. No idea where that came from… unless its a Freudian slip?
and " I never said NO straight people murder or want to. Exactly the opposite, I said there is always the stray nutcase who does." if all the straight murderers in jail are stray nutcases…. then there are a LOT of them… not like 5… as your claim sounds.
Re: Emmie859 – and i wasn't arguing the validity of hate crimes… just saying that they exist for a reason… because people who hate extremely act on that. thats all.
on the emmie859 and notlikely convo… you're both saying that the other person is doing what they say you're doing blah blah blah. but at least i can UNDERSTAND what notlikely is saying. and this has nothing to do with ideology, politics, etc…. emmie's posts are like reading the journal of a paranoid schizophrenic. no coherent train of thought. im sure she'll respond to this and call me hateful or something but end with calling me stupid, a retard, an idiot, a moron………. it's just too good.
Yeah, Pat, equality is just trashy. :-\
Sorry but I have to agree with Revered Robertson on this one. Homosexuals are ruining this country by trying to make homosexuality a positive thing when in fact it is one of the most disgusting and perverted things going on today. Homosexuality is a sin that should be avoided at all costs and the gay rights people are bringing our country down by trying to convince people that it is "normal" and "positive" when it certainly is NOT!
Re: FakinIt – You said exactly what I was going to say. Proud to be Canadian!!!
Re: mandicane – Mandi honey, it's all good. Emmie clearly forgot to take her meds. I'm glad you understand my point. I just don't see how anyone can validate their point by invalidating someone elses. It's quite clear that Emmie and I won't see eye to eye on this matter but at least we can agree to disagree.
Life is too short to sweat the small stuff.
Take care!
Re: Emmie859 – While I will give you credit for obviously being well versed in facts (and radical political ideas, or conspiracies depending on how you look at it), you seem to have a very limited view on how to interpret them. Rome was one of the most successful and longest thriving civilization in history. Their collapse is undeniable, however; the fact that it was cause by the embracing of homosexual love is. Their acceptance of this was not something new introduced in the last half of their culture. It was something they embraced and even held in higher regard than heterosexual love since their earliest days of development. If homosexuality really equalled the collapse of a civilization than Rome would never have grown into the inspiring world power it was. And yes (since you seem to think people have to justify their comments and inform you of the academic validity behind it), I studied the history and philosophy of ancient Greece and Rome for the better part of my higher education. So, why do you think you are the only one smart enough to see and learn the truth? Maybe you are just one of the few crazy enough to end up at with that conclusion
Re: sarbear996 – "So, why do you think you are the only one smart enough to see and learn the truth? Maybe you are just one of the few crazy enough to end up at with that conclusion."
LOVE. THIS.
what a douche bag… i don't know where he's getting his information from but maybe he should take his head out of his ass. I'm not even gay and that pisses me off. ughh people are just fucking stupid
Re: Emmie859 – you honestly need to shut the fuck up your arguing with about everyone for absolutely no reason all people are doing is trying to state their opinions fucking get over it get a life and get off the fucking site already. You're so on both sides of things its just retarded and makes absolutely no sense get a life and if your smart you wont comment back to this because I'm not commenting back to you. GET A LIFE AND SHUT THE FUCK UP. IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY GET OFF THE WEBSITE ASSHOLE.
The middle east has proven that persecuting gays definitely leads to stability. Thanks for spreading the word, Pat.
this video just made me so upset…
i happen to be heterosexual, but i mean to hear someone who is so homophobic is upsetting
no one said he had to be for gay rights, but you don't have to be ignorant and bash it, jeez
1 to 2%, are you kidding me??
is this bitch serious? he looks like he touches little boys anyway….