Dr. Phil was lucky enough to be able to sit down with Ronaiah Tuiasosopo, the mastermind behind the Manti Te'o girlfriend hoax.
If you've been living under a rock or just don't own a TV, we've previously mentioned that the whole Manti Te'o scandal has only been getting more confusing.
Manti is still sticking to the story that he wasn't in on anything and that he's still a victim.
He explains away some of the weirdness of this whole story by saying that he lied about actually meeting his fake girlfriend because he was afraid people would think he was crazy for having an intense relationship with someone he'd never met before.
Well now we're going to hear the other side of the story… the hoaxer's story.
Check out the video (above) for a quick clip of Dr. Phil talking to ET about his interview with Ronaiah.
Well, now, one of the people there -- Amber's neighbor and friend of thirteen years, Raquel Rose Pennington -- has given a deposition where she describes that day's events in detail, and it is very scary.
Pennington claims that on May 21, she received a text from Heard asking her to come over to the woman's condo. When Pennington got there, she heard the couple arguing, and she entered the condo to try to stop it.