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Not Okay! Obama's Mother Posthumously Baptized By Mormons
Filed under: Barack Obama
We know that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints can get sorta wackadoodle at times, but this is downright ridiculous!
Turns out certain members of the Mormon Church went ahead and had President Barack Obama's late mother, who was Catholic, posthumously baptized last June!
Are they even allowed to perform baptisms without the permission of the family????
Stanley Ann Dunham, who passed away in 1995 from cancer is listed on the Mormon Church's genealogical site FamilySearch.org as being baptized on June 4th of 2008.
Kim Farah, official spokeswoman for the LDS Church has issued the following statement on the illegitimate baptism:
"The offering of baptism to our deceased ancestors is a sacred practice to us and it is counter to Church policy for a Church member to submit names for baptism for persons to whom they are not related. The Church is looking into the circumstances of how this happened and does not yet have all the facts. However, this is a serious matter and we are treating it as such."
The White House has chosen to make no comment on the controversy, respectfully.
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creepy
Although we grew up Catholic, my brother became morman about 12 years ago. Before she passed away my grandma told him if he did this to her, she would come back to haunt him!
Mormons are just as crazy as Scientology freaks. They base an entire religion on some false prophet/lunatic named John Smith…. how can people be soooo naive! Get em' Obama!
yes they can — this is why they have such a big geneology library — they go back and baptize people to be mormons like crazy…explaining why they are the "fastest growing religion" — they convert dead people to mormonism. Truth.
WAKE O
I hate to say, but this is nothing new. The LDS Church (Mormons) are notorious for the Baptisms of the Dead. They even baptized Hitler. They claim that they do this to allow the dead to "accept" the Mormon church and be saved. Just one of the many wacked ideas that are believed by the millions of followers of this cult religion.
Yet another reason why I don;t like the Morman religion. Did you ever read "under the banner of heaven"?
Re: CentralMizzouRN – Good Lord. That is just wrong. Again, yet another reason I can't stand the Mormon religion!
they do shit like this all the time! its about time they got caught!
whackjobs.
MARIO SUCKS TEDDY'S ASS
My President looks really cute in that pic accompanying this post.
OMG!!!! I just saw harryB on another site (D listed) He's still Hilarious!!!
You should all do some research on Mormonism and get your facts str8! I'M MORMON! We're not crazy or wacky, that's just something the media wants you all to think. Yes, we do offer baptisms for those who have passed on, but its only because a FAMILY MEMBER who is MORMON has requested it. Its not just ’cause some random stranger asked to have her baptized.
This is something sacred to us, and if you all did your research you'd understand it. If you want to learn more about the LDS aka MORMONS go to www.mormon.org and ask to have some missionaries sent to your home, they can explained all of this to you.
Re: IvyLeagueBitch – We are NOT a cult, you're just ignorant.
Obama is hot!
No, unless an immediate family member has given permission or the one performing the ordinance, you are not to baptize a person until, I believe, they are 100 years dead. Obviously, this should not have been performed.
It really isn't that big of a deal. Baptizing a Catholic person, doesn't mean they are Mormon in the afterlife, or a Mormon by proxy. They have the choice, at that point, to either accept the work done on their behalf or not in he afterlife. Of course, if you do not believe in life after death it is a moot point and completely harmless.
I thought she was an athiest? Either way I think its disrespectful to request something like this without a person's consent, or at least someone who may have her interests in mind (like one of her kids!)
He better watch out, a "sealing" is next. That's where she's married off after death to someone else to become "a " wife. dun-dun-dunn. Actually a relative, someone related to Obama's granny or someone who found her in their geneology lineup, as I like to call it more then likely did it. She's a hot commodity because of her grandson. If it wasn't done by a relative then it's illegal and doesn't count. Besides, she has to "accept the baptism" from beyond the grave.
Re: crazygirlinmi –
LDS don't count posthumous proxy baptisms in its membership counts. The Church is growing quickly due to its family centered beliefs.
Hey Perez, this has been going on for a LONG time. Mormons have been baptising dead people, i.e., Jews and no one has done squat about it. The Mormons should leave the dead alone. They should also apologize to the Jews and Catholics about this.
sorry it's his ma not his granny
this isn't really that surprising. they took records from the concentration camps and baptized all the jewish people who died their for their religion. it is 100% wrong and ya LDS should be ashamed of themselves, but to them they are just doing it for themselves to move up higher in the spiritual world or whatever, they are just selfish.
I'm not Mormon, never have been…but I am surrounded by them (guess where I live…). And I have to say, nothing bothers me more than when people make judgments based entirely upon stereotypes and hearsay.
First: buffymybasset , It's Joseph Smith. Not that it matters, but if you're going to bitch about it, at least get the name right.
Second: crazygirlinmi , Not "TRUTH". The "baptism for the dead" is done as an offering to the person who has passed. LDS members believe that once you are passed, you still have free agency and could still choose to become a member of a church. As with just about every other Christian religion, they believe that you're not able to get to "Heaven" unless you have accepted whatever truth they're promoting. So, they simply open the door for that person to accept or not accept. They believe it is still the person's choice, they're just making the option available. Seeing as how they can't know which choice the person has made, they're not adding them to their records. Wouldn't it make more sense to assume their membership numbers are in direct relation to the kajillion missionaries they're sending out each year?
I know it's all very strange, and I can't even begin to wrap my head around it, but come on people…don't be ignorant. Find me a religion that doesn't do something you can't help but laugh at.
Re: CentralMizzouRN – how can you baptize a dead person???
Re: HungUpBoyToy – you're insane if you think your religion is credible. john smith was some bat shit crazy dude who wanted to be worshipped and have as many wives as possible and somehow managed to convince others to join him. plus why has no one ever seen these golden plates you base you faith upon? oh right, cause they don't exist. and stop showing up at my door. you don't see real religions like islam or christianity having to harass people at home to join thier club. pathetic.
Mormon's are wacked! Secret ceromonies, baptism for the dead, special underware, you get a planet all to yourself when you die - they hate gays, they hate blacks …. who would follow some guy who says an angel gave him a special book, but nobody but him has ever seen this special book the angel gave him in the woods. These freaks are just in koo-koo land.
Re: HungUpBoyToy – Really - only when a family member requests it? How about the wacked out Mormons who go around baptizing Jews who were killed in the Holocaust? Did the thousand of Jewish families request that too? You don't respect anyone else's religion, why should anyone respect yours?
That's fucked up! I knew there was a reason I hated the Mormon religion. I mean, I have Mormon friends and I love them to death, I just try to look past the fact that I had no idea one of my friend's had two brothers, let alone one who is 25 years older than her. They do some f'ed up shit.
The Mormons post-humously baptized Adolf Hitler and Ghengis Khan. Wonder which family member requested those two… Mormons are INSANE. My poor cousin and her family have to live in Salt Lake City coz of her husband's job and she's always telling me how crazy the people there are. I'm glad I live far away from mormonism and it's cultish grasp on it's members.
Re: Perezious Peep – And by "family-centered beliefs," I'm sure you mean the fact that every family has at LEAST six kids. Like that's not overpopulation or anything…
The truth about the LDS church is their policy of only baptizing their family members is just a front to excuse those who get caught doing otherwise. There are many instances of "well meaning" family members baptizing recently deceased relatives without even consulting that person's spouse beforehand. You really think these folks care about whether a name they procured is a relative when they do such things to their own families?
As a former LDS, I understand the reverence of such an act to your faith, but it is deeply offensive and frankly hateful for those whose families did not approve of such an ordinance. These ordinances were performed for many victims of the Holocaust, and were initially stopped, but were found just recently to have continued anyway. This shows the absolute disregard for their fellow neighbor and a true lack of understanding of Christlike virtue regarding those not a member of your faith. I hope this story continues to gain interest so that never members can learn more about how the church truly treats those not of their flock.
yeah, what a nice gesture, next time maybe they can just send a casserole, like 14 years earlier.
That's fucking bullshit. Fuck you, Mormons. First people who died in the holocaust and now the President's grandma. That is disgusting and disrespectful.
Oops, I meant his mother, not grandmother.
Re: HungUpBoyToy –
ok, if family members who are mormon are the ones who request the baptisms….explain to me why a good amount of Jewish people that died during the Holocaust were baptised, as well as Albert Einstein, Joan of Arc, Anne Frank Adolf Hitler, not to mention MANY MANY others……all of those were WITHOUT family permission as well, so your argument is invalid. It is not with family permission, it is another example of how Mormonism is like a cult. It is a bullshit practice and should be punished….the Mormons seem to think they can get away with everything, I strongly believe in what goes around, comes around…and all of this will come back to the Mormons and bite them in their crazy, cultist asses.
Re: Ultra – John.. Joseph.. who cares.. they worship a false idol/prophet… plain and simple! Same with Scientology and Xenu. I don't believe in any set religion… they are all "Cults" in a way to me… I just believe in Christ… I don't need a religion to make me believe in God.. but I will not EVER believe in some man named Joseph Smith….. it's just idiocity.
It is a known fact that Mormons do surreptitiously baptize people from other religions. You don't necessarily have to belong to their church. I'm Jewish and I've been hearing this about Mormons baptizing dead Jews for years.
After 5 minutes of research on the internet you would have learned that LDS does this all the time - baptism in absentia. LDS has "baptized" virtually every famous historical figure. This really isn't news. You should do your homework before you post this stuff.
Nice that they took the inititive to baptize the Mother of Mr. 666
Re: queen_mae –
excuse me sweet heart
its joseph smith you dumb tard
and he only had one wife
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
Isn't it racist they didn't include Obama's father in the wet deadhead ceremony.
Re: HungUpBoyToy – This practice must have significance to the LDS community. Can you explain what the advantages of this practice are to the church?
…Can they even do that?
What difference does it make? It's there practice, they work to convert dead people all the time of all faiths. They are dead. Who cares. If it works, fine, last I checked, no way to know. But I don't see any harm in it.
Good lord people, it has nothing to do with the deceased being a morman or even being acceptable to mormans. It has to do with their belief that a person cannot ascend into heaven unless they have been baptised. Thats all.
Frankly, I think that its quite nice of them to be looking out for everyone's soul, no matter what faith they are.
you guys are all so f'ing stupid and prejudiced- and perez, you should be ashamed of yourself for your constant attacks on mormons. did ANYONE read the statement from the mormons? they do this as part of their traditions— and of course there are people/families where it is appropriate, and comforting to know they can take care of someone even after they have died… imagine a child dies before it is baptized. that some arsehole put obama's mama's name on the list, and the mormoms baptized her not knowing that is was a horrific fraud- how is that their fault. it's not like people recognize obama's mom's name such that lightbulbs would've gone up that it was a fraud. you are all ignorant m'er f'ers, but perez, you really are the most culpable one with your headlines— first it was the shit about marie osmond, and denegrating all mormons— now, saying the mormons did this awful thing, when you should be highlighting that some mean idiot that thought it was funny did a horrible disrespectful thing to a dead person and her family… it wasn't the mormons' fault you hideous excuse for a human being. you run around calling everyone prejudiced and you can't get through a day without stereotying an entire group of people unfairly. you disgust me.
I'm not a member of any church and I think that's SOOOOO WRONG. What if Jews, Catholics or Baptists decided that they would babtized members of the LDS church after they died. What frigging nerve.
Re: tmservo –
It is more of the fact that it is extremely disrespectful to the dead. That is the harm.
Re: HungUpBoyToy –
i apologize for all of the idiots on this site that, you are right, are so f'ing ignorant about mormons and clearly have never known any. as i've said in another posting- perez is at fault for this b/c he is constantly making mormon digs and perpetuating falsities. i never realized how prejudiced people are about mormons, and it's horrifying to me. i don't know if they all still just associate mormonism with polygamists or what… it's shocking to me how stupid people are. i am not mormon, but have always thought that if i were to join a church, that is the first one i would try b/c they are such an accepting, kind, and happy group. people i know in other religions are often much more hypocritical and judgmental. mormons as a group, in my experience, are not this way… so i don't understand all of this ignorant hate- and i am very sorry that you have to listen to it.
Re: jebjeb –
Some people don't want to be baptised….it is extremely disrespectful to do this after someone has died, most of the time it is people who are other religions and the occasional atheist thrown in, they have no right to do that. we have this thing called religious freedom in that crazy thing called the Constitution (that no one really seems to pay much attention too) and doing that is taking away that right. If someone is another religion or Atheist and they do a posthumous baptism, it is extremely disrespectful. You are just naive to actually believe them, just like I bet they "didn't know" that all of the Jews that died in the Holocaust that they baptised it is ok, they are not at fault…just like Albert Einstein, Anne Frank, Joan of Arc…yeah…that was all OK. Sure thing, you are a fucking moron.
I was raised Mormon and when I was 17 I left the church and have not gone back. Sadly as a teenager I was forced to participate in what they call "baptisms for the dead" and they read off the names of people you will be baptized for and they dunk you in water for each name. From what I can remember the only people who can submit names are family members no matter how distant they are but I could be wrong since it has been years since I was forced to participate. The Mormon church is very shady and I am glad I no longer have to attend a church that teaches loving one an other but promotes intolerance towards anyone who isn't the "typical" Mormon family or to anyone who does not agree with their morals.
This family is dysfunctional. She was Catholic, what is Obama? Episcopalian or what? It took him a good few months to go to Sunday services, the first being on Easter Sunday, so obviously, this Muslim is not religious. Has Obama figured out the names of all 57 states yet (as he mentioned at a town meeting in April, 2008)? Why haven't the pictures of the Air Force One fly-over in Manhattan been released yet, pictures that cost tax-payers ~$350M? Why hasn't he released the official copy of his birth certificate proving he's an American citizen vs. uploading one on the internet, where we all know photoshopping can be done. Hmmm….photoshopping….what an idea! Nah…let's opt to flyover NYC and scare thousands of people.
If GWP had done that, it would not have quietly gone away as it has in Obama's case. I guess because the Teflon-Messiah has arrived.
Re: caNYC9 –
dumby- they baptise the people who they are requested by family members to baptise. they weren't asked to baptise his father. perez- r u happy. not only have you unfairly blamed them for some idiot's idea of a joke, now you've got your readers calling them racist. you are so f'ing irresponsible. all of this will catch up with you one day.
Re: Slutstick –
your name really says it all- so why i'm responding to your ignorance and hatred is beyond me, but are you saying that you know that none of those people had family members in the mormon church that requested their baptism. how could you POSSIBLY know that? and even if they did not, whatever the mormon practice was back then, did you read their current statement? they do not condone/practice baptisms without the request OF A FAMILY MEMBER. wtf is wrong with you that you have such strong hatred over such a nice group of people. have you ever known any mormons, or are you simply falsely associating them with the polygamist cult? i just can't imagine all of this hatred toward a group of people that i have seen nothing but kindness from— unless you are just totally misinformed and operating under the assumption that these weird polygamist freaks are symbolic of the mormon church. they are not.
Re: buffymybasset –
I completely agree.
WHAT REALLY WORRIES ME IS NOT OBAMA DEAD MOTHER, BUT OBAMA "ALIVE AUNT" THAT IS ILLEGALY LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY AND LIVING IN A PROJECT PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT.
WHEN A RELATIVE OF THE PRESIDENT THAT BROKE THE LAW, GET'S PRIVILEGES SIMPLE BY BEING RELATED TO HIM, THAT REALLY WORRIES ME.
SHE AND OBAMA ARE GIVING THE FINGER AT THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY.-
THE MORMOM SHIT DO NOT AFFECT ME.
Mitt Romney's revenge??
Re: jebjeb –
I have friends that are mormon, I just cant stand the crazy ones that do this shit. Even my mormon friends have said that the majority of the people in their churches are fucking bananas. And with all of the people that died in the holocaust and Einstein and all of the others (which they are still baptising Jews although they said they weren't). I also know that the main LDS is against polygamy, but there are polygamists that have broken away from the church or have been excommunicated. Atheists tend to study religions to a point before being against them, I am all for religious rights…you want to be a certain religion knock yourself out, but don't shove it on other people and call them ignorant for disliking certain religious groups or practices of certain religious groups….that is ignorant.
You can't go to Mormom heaven unless all your ancestors are Mormon too.
They've been doing this for a long time and it isn't any secret. I, myself, am and athiest. My cousins side has Mormons so I'm sure I'll be Baptized at some point. Since I don't believe it it doesn't make any difference to me.
Once again you're jumping to conclusions because of your personal vendetta against the LDS church. I understand that you are angry Perez, that you want your rights in our government but you have to be patient and not strike up against entire organizations, therefore alienating your very own website visitors. The mormon religion as a whole DID NOT enforce Prop 8 to pass, it was MANY people. Lets work to find acceptance- NOT more discrimination please!
Soul hoarding. You can either see this as 'you can never have too many blessings, regardless of who they come from,' or you can become irate and think they're way out of line, unless it was done on request by a related Mormom. Anyway, if she was a practicing Catholic, doing this posthumously does not get them her soul, because that door is already barred by Catholic sacraments, theoretically. 'I hear you knocking, but you can't come in.' : )
So let me get this straight? You are creeped out by this but… you dont care if he fucks up the country? Ohhh goodie
I am a no mo that lives in Utah. My co-worker, a bishop answered my questions about baptizing the dead. He described it as temple work, most practicing mos go to the temple weekly to perform these rituals. I asked him what happens if the dead person does not want to go to "that" level of heaven. So you're there in heaven and some guy taps you on the shoulder and says, "Hey, you can go up now!" He told me that the baptized soul has a choice, they do not have to go the the "celestial" level. Why is this so offensive? Choice, if you choose to be a mo fine, otherwise it is not cool!! Not to mention the idea of levels in heaven — totally crazy!!
If you all dont believe what the mormons are actually doing is true, then what does this matter? all they do is read a persons name and then dunk dunk a proxy in the water…Its the equivalent of me going into a river and saying that I'm acting on behalf of someone from 500 years ago. who freakin cares.
After reading all the posts, I find it funny that very few of them have an understanding of what this post is even about. Without researching and understanding the practice, knowing correct names, and even spelling the name wrong (Morman rather than Mormon) people have commented and posted incorrect information and harsh judgements. It is a choice for someone to choose thier own religion, and it is beleived that you still have that choice in after passing on. Having someone stand in for you during a baptism once you have passed away does not make you a member if you choose not to accept. But the choice is there. If thats what they believe, I'm not sure where the harm is in providing choice. I'm not sure why this is such a hot issue especially when nearly all the comments are far from true. And for the record, Mormons do not worship Joseph Smith. They worship thier God and strive follow Jesus Christ's example.
Re: buffymybasset –
you throw the word "cult" around like you actually know what it means. a "cult" is a religious organization..so if you go to church you are also a member of a "cult". better luck next time.
STOP BEING IGNORANT. its funny because youre so concerned about being kind and PC to the gay community and then you say shit like this.
Re: PEARADOX –
I find it interesting how you think that the "3 levels of heaven" concept is "totally crazy", when it is a biblical doctrine. (1 Cor 15:40-45), Jesus also says, "In my Fathers house there are many mansions", so whether you interpret that there are different levels of heaven, or interpret it some other way, it definitely isnt "totally crazy".
Re: Slutstick –
while you're soundling like less of an idiot now that you have articulated yourself, you make some completely bombastic statements that are either total lies, or misinformation. like, saying that your mormon friends say that the "majority of them are fucking bananas." i don't really believe that you have mormon friends if you could talk about the religion that way. and it's hard to believe that a mormon would say that about their own people- especially because the mormons i know wouldn't talk that way about anyone. but regardless, suggesting that you have it on authority that most mormons are fucking bananas is, sorry my dear, unbelievable and makes you sound like a raving idiot with misconceived notions.
They do it all the time. They have someone stand in that represents the person that died, and baptize them. Because, you know how they really know it's what the deceased would have wanted, ugh. It creeps me out. As far as I know, the only church they have an agreement with to NOT to any kind of "Temple Work" for, is the Jewish church. It's kind of ridiculous…."We'll just wait till you die, then you don't have any choice!"
Re: Slutstick –
PART II: i'm not calling you ignorant for disagreeing with the practices of the mormons (though find it odd, and probably evidence of your irrational hatred, that you would care so much about a family member requesting to have one of their dead baptized– this isn't your family). i'm calling you ignorant for classifying the entire church of mormons as a cult. i'm calling you prejudiced for irrational hatred of mormons. you can say what you want in your fierce anonymous comebacks on this site, but if you stop and look at what you're saying— you are singling out a religion and spewing your hate on all of them. i'm wondering if you hate all christians because of the christians like miss california that thinK homosexuality is a sin? we all know the answer to that… and hopefully you'll take some time to personally reflect on your hatred because regardless of your nasty words, you should be careful of the hate you spew. this is a public website, and tends to have a mob mentality, and you are perpetuating hate on the mormons unfairly.
Re: pisanidiot –
EXACTLY. The Mormons aren't hurting anyone, so why do these people get so hung up on this. It's just an excuse to spew hatred, and, frankly, I just cannot understand for the life of me why people hate Mormons so much. I don't see this kind of hatred toward religions that do MUCH more offensive things than this- so I really just don't get it. I'm wondering if they just all associate the mormons with the pedaphilic/polygamist cults— it's the only thing I can come up with. It's horrible, all this hate.
you know what perez get OVER your hate of of MORMONS. In the mormom religion anyone can go to the church and be baptized in someones name - someone that has passed away. Your hate for MORMONS stem fromt he fact that you feel they are the only religion who does not condon same sex marriage. WELL DUMB ASS cathlolics, baptists, methodists, the list goes on don't condon same sex marriage. I am MORMOM, I HAVE SEVERAL GAY and LESBIAN FRIENDS - they don't act like you or hate on any particular group of people - some even go to "cringe" CHURCH. GET A FREAKIN LIFE - have you ever thought someone was just thinking of the Presidents mother and got baptized in her name you stupid ass - do a little research before you bash something.
Re: lovin this –
I know! I mean, I don't know all of this stuff either (but I don't claim to know it either- the difference with other posters)— but so many people are so fiercely hateful of mormons that I am just SHOCKED! I mean, these haters don't know anything- even less than me- yet they are really really pissed and fired up and hateful towards this group of people and it's just baffling to me. Completely and utterly baffling…
Re: kendra525 – - actually its mormon doctrine that anyone who is "baptized" gets a choice to accept the baptism done in their behalf of to decline it. So those Jews that you speak of, still have an option to deny the ordinance…therefore this debate is useless, because if Obamas mom didnt want the ordinance to count, then she could deny it.
OK.. TO A MORMON(NOT MORMAN…) JOSEPH SMITH IS A PROPHET AND A SEER NOT UNLIKE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S "HOLY SEE" (YOU KNOW THE POPE, PONTIFUS MAXIMUS).
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THE BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD IS PERFORMED BECAUSE MEMBERS OF THE LDS CHURCH BELIEVE THAT ALL SOULS HAVE AGENCY DURING LIFE AND AFTER LIFE.
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THE LDS CHURCH IS A GROWING CHURCH BECAUSE OF ITS STRUCTURE AND BELIEFS…NO ONE WHO IS A CHURCH ELDER(BISHOP, STATE PRESIDENCY, QUORUM OF THE SEVENTY OR THE PROPHET HIMSELF ARE PAID IN ANY WAY FOR THEIR CALLINGS)
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ALSO WITH THE RECENT DECAY IN MORAL VALUES MORMONISM IS SEEING A SPIKE IN NEW MEMBERS BECAUSE SOME IN THIS COUNTRY BELIEVE IN TRADITIONAL VALUES.
If you being cruel or just slamming the religion, then you lack the respect and good nature that Americans should emulate. We are clearly all free to worship and believe as we desire, one of the great freedoms of this country. But even on a more simple level, all religions are based on faith and are personal (if one believes it). You cannot prove through empirical evidence that any religion is true, or right. If one believes a religion is right, and they have studied their religion and come to an educated and spiritual conclusion, then I respect that and we all should. That doesn't mean we can't disagree, but we should always be respectful of that which is sacred or important to others.
Mormons are by far a minority religious group but we share the belief of the worlds biggest religions- that gay marriage should not be allowed. So why is it that you Perez and gay people HATE MORMONS and not other Christian groups, Jews or Muslims?? How can something you don’t believe in bother you so much? Let it go. Mormons love and respect ALL PEOPLE, it makes me sad that YOU DONT! WE ARE NOT ANTI-GAY, WE ARE PRO-FAMILY…without a mum and a dad.. no one would even be here…not even you Perez.
I used to be Mormon and those phuckers are CRAZY
Re: vengance – 79 No they just watch BIG LOVE and want more than one wife!
I was born and raised LDS. I went on a mission and went to BYU. I was married in the Temple and know all the secret handshakes as well as wore the garments. I can tell you ONE THING that I know for 100% sure. IT IS A CULT! People are so brainwashed that they can't reason or use critical thinking skills. Somehow they can rationalize that GOD commanded Joseph Smith to marry 14 year old girls (Helen M Kimball) as well as marry other mens wives in secret. (polyandry).
They also ignore the constantly changing doctrine: such as Blacks not allowed to be full active priesthood members, that MONOGAMY is evil (brigham young), or that God lives on a star named Kolob, or a myriad of other unbelievable doctrines. Those who say that Mormons are not a cult, should research for themselves. If it's true, then you have nothing to lose, right?
So go look at the "facsimiles" in the Book of Abraham, then compare it to modern day Egyptian hieroglyphics, then you will understand IT IS A FRAUD!
visit exmormon.org to learn more. The truth will set you free!
OBAMA'S MOTHER WAS NOT CATHOLIC!!!!
First of all Buffy…John Smith was one of the founders of Jamestown, not the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints aka Mormons. And we believe that Joseph Smith restored the church. We are soley a Christian based church. At least if you are going to call a whole religion naive get your facts straight.
Re: grammar g – Wow, congrats on your escape! How did you do it?
OBAMA'S MOTHER WAS NOT CATHOLIC!!!!!!! Jeez. Like all sane humans she wasn't aligned with any religion, and she raised her kids as agnostics.
SHEESH!!!
Re: grammar g – I love how you going on a mission and going to BYU makes you some sort of authority on this topic. First off, calling Mormons a "cult" doesnt really rip on them too hard, since the word "cult" simply means "a religious organization", so in that sense, Catholics, Jews, Baptists, and Muslims, are all members of a "cult". Second, if you are a Christian, the whole concept of "changing doctrine", as stated in your post shouldn't be very offensive to you, considering the fact that in the bible, doctrines were changed all the time. Jesus ended the law of Moses after thousands of years of practicing that doctrine. Jesus only taught the Jews, not the gentiles, a doctrine that was changed years after Jesus was resurrected, by revelation to the Apostle Peter to teach everyone from there on out. Whats common about both of these doctrinal changes? The fact that God commanded the change. Now whether you agree that Joseph Smith was a prophet or not, that doesn't matter. But don't criticize the Mormon church for "changing doctrines" when it is a very common thing for God to switch things up.
Perez, I think if you read his book you'll find that his late mother was an atheist, not a Catholic. He was raised to believe that organized religion was a very bad thing and only came to it as an adult. His mother was an anthropologist and an atheist.
Re: Respect for the dead..
You know, the thing is, there are lots of traditions that happen for the dead people by multiple groups that have nothing to do with respecting their beliefs or anything. As far as I'm concerned, I'm with David Cross (Mr. Show) you basically cannot disrespect the dead, unless you decide to dig up their body and do something with it. And even then, I'm not sure how they care, it's just offending the family.
If someone decides to dig me out of my grave and make me into wall art, I really don't give two craps about it.. I am DEAD it is meaningless to me. hell, I told my spouse to make sure to donate all my organs, bury me in a bag with a treesappling in my chest. WTF to I care? I recognize at that point, I am MULCH, why let it go to waste? The fact that the Mormons have a belief they can get someone into heaven by baptizing them after death is just one of those traditions. I could be offended, but then again, I could be equally offended at radical islamics who declare fatwas on non-believers and deem them "damned to hell" after death.
Does any of it really make any impact on me at all? Not really. So, I don't know why this is a story at all. They did what they do for every living being. SFW.
Dude, have you been asleep? Why do you think the mormons are among the best sources of family tree information out there? For decades they have been working to posthumously baptize EVERYBODY, using mormon "stand-ins" to represent the deceased, so that they can rescue them all from the hell they are sure they are in.
Whatever. Let them do it. It's that much less time they can spend producing more children to brainwash.
I live in Utah, my parents were converted a few years ago; TRUST ME, these people are delusional. They baptised my dead (Catholic) grandparents out of nowhere, and now I hope I outlive all of them so that no one ever does that to me. If you slam the door at their faces they deserve it, that "church" is nothing but a money-making scheme by 12 old white guys.
That is Just Creepy!!
The Mormon Baptism of the Dead was given to Joseph Smith by the prophet Elijah in a vision. One of its tenets is that the living cannot be saved without their departed kin (ancestors). So for a person to make it to heaven, all of their ancestors have to have been baptized in the Mormon Church.
I was surprised to see my Roman Catholic ancestors in the church's genealogical records.
Actually Mormons do this all the time. They have baqtized Hitler, Mussolini and many others posthumously. It is not unusual, nor is it controversial. It does not change her religious affliation in anyway or the beliefs of the family.
I call bullshit on the statement released. It is a well-documented and proven fact that LDS "baptized" the names of Holocaust victims. It's a routine practice of LDS to do this to anyone.
Re: HungUpBoyToy – Why did they do it to the Holocaust Jews, then? Those people certainly didn't have the chance to declare their wish to convert to Mormonism, and since entire bloodlines were ended, there were no "family members" left to request this. Something in the milk ain't clean!
Buffy,
Yes I can see why believing that a normal/mortal man talked to God and carried out his plan is so silly. Of course, Chris is much more realistic. Afterall he was born in a manger at Christmas (oops, I means summer) to a virgin who was planted with the seed of God. He turned water to wine and rose from the dead to have one last hurrah with all of his friends (oops, again I mean followers) before poofing into thin air. And don't forget how all of this was predicted in the Old Testament (ooops, nope the Egyptians actually came up with that one, damn it, and his name wa Osiris).
Obviously Mormons are crazy and just don't see that other forms of Christianity are the ones that make perfect sense.
Re: jebjeb – Most of it is more sheer ignorance than hatred.
Re: tmservo – Re: chlyn – And just so you know, your Roman Catholic ancestors practiced baptisms for the dead as well, until the practice was changed to the now used "prayers for the dead"