wow…

She's an old idiot. Who really cares?

Any REAL Feminist would never deny the title to Sarah Palin on the basis of disagreement with Sarah's political ideology. Go Camille!

Palin is not a fucking Feminist. Far from it.

that's way too much to read….

Any idiot who does not support a Women's right to choose (OVER HER OWN BODY) is NO feminist. Give me a freakin break. Keep your laws OFF my body.

I double majored in Women's Studies and she is a Feminist.
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All feminists don't have to adhere to the same view points. She's a great women who is strong minded, intellengent, has great traditional family values, she may be pro-life, while I'm pro-choice, but there's nothing wrong with that and she's a compassionate person who couldn't imagine giving up her child..it doesn't make her anti-feminist. Just the fact that she has a big family and a great job makes her a femenist for equal opportunities for women in the workplace!
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Main Entry: fem·i·nism
Pronunciation: \ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1895
1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

Re: Maramia – Wrong. Do some research.

Re: _Alice_ –
Thank you.
For the cause of Feminism I was really rooting for Hillary - even though I lean the other way. Would have really like to see her on the Dem ticket. She is way more qualified than Obama and way more centrist. Sigh.

What an extremely educated and thoughtul column. See, when democrats really do some soul searching and actually eat some humble pie or really look at why they believe what they believe that shows a great amount of integrity. This lady is not afraid to admit gray in the democratic party. She doesn't see everything as black and white. I especially love this exerpt from her column:

The witch-trial hysteria of the past two incendiary weeks unfortunately reveals a disturbing trend in the Democratic Party, which has worsened over the past decade. Democrats are quick to attack the religiosity of Republicans, but Democratic ideology itself seems to have become a secular substitute religion. Since when did Democrats become so judgmental and intolerant? Conservatives are demonized, with the universe polarized into a Manichaean battle of us versus them, good versus evil. Democrats are clinging to pat group opinions as if they were inflexible moral absolutes. The party is in peril if it cannot observe and listen and adapt to changing social circumstances.

VERY THOUGHTFUL AND INTELLIGENT INSIGHT

Re: wildmidwestern –

well lawd, that sounds like a challege…I love challenges

She lost my respect and vote once I found out her daughter is pregnant. She threw her daughter out there to the masses and media making her the poster child of young, unwed mothers. I can't imagine any young woman would want to be thrust into the spotlight in such a fashion particularly at a time in your life when you'd much rather be out with your friends "hanging out" than going to the RNC being paraded about as having virtues because you chose to have a child instead of having an abortion.

Timing wise, if her daughter wasn't pregnant and already had the child I wouldn't feel the way I do about her however, I view her as a fame and power hungry whore that doesn't care who she steps on to get what she wants. A parent should consider protect their child instead of tossing them to the international media. To the people that think Bristol attended because she wanted to, I rather doubt it. I'm sure there were threats thrown about that if you don't do as I say you are out of the house, I won't support you, etc.

Republician hypocrisy at it's finest. It's okay if it happens to one of "ours" but heaven forbid if the Democrats do it as well.

BS

Camile Paglia CALLS herself a feminist. The feminist community disowns her & all of her viewpoints.
Don't believe everything you read.
Calling Paglia a feminist is almost as stupid as saying
having 5 kinds & being mayor of wasilla, (the meth capital of the US)
make you a qualified candidate

Whao, I read the article and it's very interesting. Ms Paglia is a feminist that despise Hillary and was voting for Obama. But her analysis about Mrs. Palin give us another look at the woman that is changing the present politics of USA. Why Mrs. Palin is relevant? Becasue she is the future of the Republican Party. Because, like Reagan, she connects with the real people, the real woman of this country. She is fearless, attractive, strong, witty and hey..she kills her own food…The woman is really unic. A breath of fresh air!

Obama tried to be funny calling Palin "A pig with lipstick, still a pig" - For a man who refused to have a woman as his running mate, that joke was a big mistake.

But hey, the guy is inexperience, egotistic and a born muzlim…We can't expect him to think, woman are his equal…..

Re: Yadayada –
Please, bitch. Support of Roe v. Wade is not a litmus test for Feminism. Don't be ignorant.

Re: succulent –
The Radical Left does not OWN Feminism. Get over it.

It's good to see that so many people can call a spade a spade… Camille Paglia obviously has an ass-backwards definition of feminism, and Palin is a Judas Goat… we as women must not allow a regression to the dark ages!

WOMEN FOR OBAMA/BIDEN '08

It is a dark day for Feminism when it does not respect the accomplishments of all females regardless of political orientation. You are the antithesis of a Feminist.

Come on- This is Palin's big chance. In 4 years from now she'll be going through menopause, & the people of this country won't enjoy looking at her anymore.
Now's the time!

camille = the erudyke sarah palin….

Re: Smirks – She shouldn't have ran. Period.

in case you were looking for the word/words that describe your affiliation. lol
…ahhh 2 much time on my hands I swear.

Re: Mrs. Palin-Carmody –
There's not. That's the point. Feminism is independent of party affiliations. There are plenty of Communist, Green Party, Independent, Libertarian, etc., Feminists. A political viewpoint doesn't disqualify one from being a Feminist unless one's view anti-equality for men and women.

She's considered a POST feminist. She just rejects that label. Feminists who have made a positive impact on society, such as Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, Katha Pollit all consider her a fraud. She's damaging figure to the movement. She's a neocon in disguise. You can't trust someone who is friends with Rush Limbaugh!

Perez, you read Drudge don't you?

No true feminist would advocate rape victims being forced to carry the product of the rape as Palin does.
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Nor would a true feminist try to deny women the right to reproductive freedom, as Palin does.
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Having a vagina does ot automatically make you a feminist.
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Paglia used up her 15 minutes of fame and she's trying to get in the public eye again by adopting a stance that she knows will get her attention.

Camille Paglia is crazy. Honestly she has contradicted herself way to many times. I can't count her as a Feminist Hero. I think Gloria Steinmen makes more sense and sticks to her word. I honestly can't believe how blind Hillary Supporters are with rage that Obama didn't pick her as his running mate. ( I being a Hillary Supporter too).

Re: CamBell –
Maybe you can't trust someone who is friends with Limbaugh, but I can't trust someone who is friends with Bill Ayers. hehe.

Re: CamBell –
Also, since we live in what amounts to a post-feminist society, it is those self-same radical feminists you mention, who refuse to change and modernize, that hurt the cause of Feminism, and who, as a byproduct of their unevolved viewpoints, are hurting the Democratic party as we speak.

Re: SWEETAZHONAAY –
Correct….That is the reason I will cahnge my registration card from Democrat to Independent.

And this bitch says how can a democrat be pro-choice and against the death penalty, I GUESS THE SAME WAY SARAH THE GRAND CANYON CUNT CAN BE PRO_LIFE BUT ALSO, PRO-WAR, PRO-Death penalty, PRO-Hunting and PRO-gun. Enuff said!

Republicans have been using smears for years and McCain continues to do so. But i think anything Barack obama say or does will be dissected thoroughly which is extremely unfair. I don't think this man can fart without being judged. Anybody remember that cover of the New Yorker when they painted him as Osama bin laden. It was supposed to be a joke showing how ignorant some people are and how the right is trying to portray him to rednecks but still it was awful. And you guys are whining cuz he used an old saying about a pig. UR the fucking hypocrits I hope you control freak republicans all die!

Camille is right. Not RIGHT wing, but right. She is, in fact, a lefty. She doesn't speak for me. She speaks for herself. I don't agree with her much, but on this one issue she has nailed it. As for "right to choose"- that is a different issue than not liking abortion. I wouldn't work in an abortion clinic because i personally don't feel that abortion should be birth control, but neither do I feel a presidential candidate's feelings about it would influence my vote. As for stem cells, it is unnecessary 100% to use embryos for their stem cells because stem cells are throughout even your own body and can be culled for use, so I disagree with McCain who DOES support that. But I'll vote for HIM anyway. Obama has lied about his family- he was raised by a RICH grandmother and grandfather- his grandmother was VP of the biggest bank in Hawaii!!!! He went to an elite prep school. Elite college. Boo hoo.

Re: Yadayada –
This is what I don't understand. How is the ability to have an abortion the hinging right for women, the one that must be believed in for one to be a feminist? Women do have a choice. Birth control is available to every woman that wants it. A woman doesn't have to bring her husband/man into the doctor's office with her and receive his permission to get an IUD, tubal ligation, Rx for the pill, etc.

Outside of instances of rape, women have complete control over their bodies - there are no longer arranged marriages, men are no longer allowed to behead or divorce you if you can't produce a son for them, you're not required to become a baby machine the minute you're wed, women aren't walking down the street with scarlet A's on their chests anymore…. so why is being pro-choice required for feminism? I'm pretty sure that the foundation of women's rights is based on being able to choose to get pregnant in the first place. It is not sexist or anti-woman to be pro-life. It would be sexist if there were laws denying women the right to obtain and use birth control - to prevent the pregnancy in the first place. Being Pro-Choice or Pro-Life has absolutely nothing to do with Feminism.

Not to mention, if you truly think about it on scales of equality. Abortion is one of the most sexist things out there. A woman can decide not to fool with her end of the birth control and then get an abortion later - or she can decide not to. A man is not allowed to force a woman to have an abortion, nor is he allowed to prevent her from having one - nor is he allowed to say, well that's great that you don't want the abortion but I want to abort my responsibilites and I'm going to sign this paper that says I don't have to pay child support or do anything for this kid that you're choosing to keep.

I am loving this libtard feminist more and more…she is easily supporting conservative pro-life positions with her article…
She writes:
"The gigantic, instantaneous coast-to-coast rage directed at Sarah Palin when she was identified as pro-life was, I submit, a psychological response by loyal liberals who on some level do not want to open themselves to deep questioning about abortion and its HUMAN consequences"
"I have never understood the standard Democratic combo of support for abortion and yet opposition to the death penalty. Surely it is the guilty rather than the innocent who deserve execution?"
THIS PRO-ABORTION LIBERAL ACTUALLY SCORES A GOAL FOR PRO-LIFER'S—keep talking MS. Paglia you are making my day.

Calling Paglia a feminist is like calling Lieberman a democrat. Hasn't she died yet? She writes an article once every 10 years, yet we're supposed to consider her some kind of authority? No.

Re: COCACOLA –
Yes, you are right. In a Communist totalarian regime that is absolutely correct. I was referring to certain leftist American women who flirt with Communism yet still can be considered Feminists under the Feminist doctrine.

Circe's sister:

I respectfully and completely disagree. I am a woman and I have children but I fail to understand how nine months, weight gain, stretch marks, post partum depression - any of that trumps the lifetime commitment required to be a father. Some parts of pregnancy suck, some parts are fun but it is only nine months. You can think I'm on a crazy rant but I still don't think carrying a baby for nine months gives you the trump card - the pregnancy is by far the easiest aspect of being a parent.

RE: Circes"s sister - Post 75 -
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This line of thought goes right over your head.

Cocacola asked: A last question, why all obama's supporters are so afraid of Palin? Let me answer - because McCain is gonna die soon enough and Palin is batshit insane. I'll allow (for the sake of argument) that her pro-choice stance doesn't necessarily eliminate her from the label of feminist. But she is batshit insane, feminist or not.

Also, no one believes you were ever a democrat.

Did you search out what Gloria Steinham had to say about Palin? Try posting that in an effort to be fair. At least Gloria Steinham is right.

Re: angelatini – Glad you brought that up. It was an op ed piece in the LA Times. Thoroughly enjoyed reading it.

Re: Maramia – p.s. the ORIGINAL "feminists" that started the movement….they had like 10 or better children, they TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND FOUGHT FOR WHATS RIGHT you ASSHOLE.

Re: SWEETAZHONAAY – THANK YOU!

Re: Renee26 – WOW, YOU REALLY WISH DEATH UPON SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY DON'T SHARE YOUR VIEWS? THAT'S CRAZY TO ME.

I should have known this being Paglia it would be four pages long. And I read to the top of the second page and got bored. She's a fraud, the only thing I can say to her credit is that she's an independent whore, like a hooker that doesn't work for a pimp, when compared with the bought and sold versions like Coulter, Malkin, Ingraham, and the like. I don't know why they all just don't get together and yell "I hate my mother" really loudly from the tops of mountains, get drunk, and have an orgy. They'd feel alot better afterward and the world would be a better place. It's sad that Paglia has never been exposed to the kind of women Palin is. They are a-plenty in the flyover states, but the thing is we have many that are brave enough to be *actual* feminists, not stilletto-booted thugs goose-stepping to the tune of the faux-religious status quo. Palin is a typical authoritarian female, with the requisite self-hatred and seething resentment at mommy that accompany it. It's so formulaic it's freaking boring, which Paglia would know if she got her head out of the books, or wherever it's stuck.

if Sara P. is a feminist, than I am confused by the meaning of the word

Who cares what this ugly whore thinks of Palin,this whore always pretends shes liberal but finds some reason to attack them,she needs to get a feminist disease,I mean this bitch has never had kids.never acted human and she lectures about whats real america,come one people ,Palin is one of the most disgusting women in history but Camile paglia a real has -been is much more disgusting.